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I think the Acosta use yesterday is a different usage pattern anyway. I think Collins, especially if the offense is ever going to wake up/stay healthy together, needs to treat 1-run deficits more like tie games, because the Mets WILL score more runs. Just look at how many 0 ERA relievers the Mets have beat on recently.

what's the pitch count? What's the recent workload? all those play in. But again, I agree with you but I think it's more complicated than 'just use them'. These guys are preparing for one inning for the most part, and aren't accustomed to the feel of their arm and the amount of warm up required to sit for 10-20 minutes and then get back up and pitch on only 8 warm up throws. Leaving aside the pinch hitting wrinkle, I would agree that they should use Ramon Ramirez for multiple innings one day and then Bobby Parnell the next. I think the box managers put themselves in is when you get Bobby up in the 7th and he struggles that day. You'd want to go to Ramon in that situation but probably can't if you had him throw 45 pitches the day before over 2.1. Now you have to use your third or fourth best guy. It does make sense to me. Use Ramon for 2.1 and worry about tomorrow tomorrow. Maybe Gee throws a CG or 8 dominant innings. maybe you score 30. But one of the biggest things managers get criticized for is bullpen use, so they naturally retreat to these defined roles and narrow usage schemas. I do think there is some value to 'defined' roles though, but that's in a preparation way like if Francisco was randomly summoned in the 5th inning of a game. He's mentally set for the 9th, meaning he may still be playing cards in the clubhouse and not having gone through stretches and warmups and the things he'd probably do in the 7th and 8th as he prepares. But if you tell him 'hey, we may use you first if a starter doesn't go long' he'll make sure he's loose before that.

Could be. That's probably it, probably remembering reading this article about the stadium and thinking I should drive over there and take a peek since I'm so close. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/24/nyregion/24towns.html?_r=1&ref=negroleagues

Egbert's from SI. that's good enough for me. and Torres was born in Paterson, NJ which I drive through every day to go to work (and I think has some Jackie Robinson connection but I could be mistaken there. I'd look it up if it wasn't 11:15 at night already)

last time a Met got injured in a rundown play (i think) we got Ike Davis (via Mike Jacobs). What do we get this time?

themetfairy wrote: There's got to be more to Lucroy's hand injury than the reported story of a lost sock under a hotel room bed and his wife moving a heavy suitcase. sex injury? "moving the suitcase"

Edgy DC wrote: This is my hobgoblin. Please forgive forgive the carryon. extra carryon will cost you. for the most part I agree with you. I'm not positive it's the best way to go, but I do have a desire not to see effective relievers removed just because it's a new inning, but then they're not exactly working up their arms to do that regularly and there seems to be a sense that it's better to have more bodies available than alternate days. Also, most pens have Acosta types at the back end, and using up your good reliever or two on one day may mean they need a day or two and you're stuck with the third or fourth best guy the next game when you could end up needing the better relievers. Especially when you're down by a run and the game may be lost no matter who you use (hence Acosta or Francisco) The other thing is that this is another one of those things that's going to end up advocating the DH. Wanting relievers to go more innings means letting them hit, letting them hit is clearly a disaster because almost no one actually expects pitchers to work on that part of the game even though it's part of the game.

Edgy DC wrote: I was torn between three stars and thee and a half. I went for the latter because it had genial good will and because it wasn't Secretariat. But I have half a mind to dock it back down to three for it's shameless and continued references to Target stores as some sort of cornerstone of American life. I forgot about that. yeah, that annoyed me too. I figured 3 was 'average, eh, an okay movie' and 3.5 crossed into the "I'd recommend it" which I would, so I went there.

Frayed Knot wrote: Cedeno's only day-to-day (may even be available for Tuesday) so it's not like we have to jump through hoops to get two SS in here. Even if Wright has to start there for one game and then be the only back-up for a week until Tejada returns that wouldn't be the worst thing. Tejada's not a straight-line return though, hasn't been able to play the field yet.

Edgy DC wrote: We all works in progress. Manager Terry ran a haphazard team and ran them haphazardly today. you know, it's easy to be frustrated with Terry here, (I agree about using Acosta, use Francisco or even Egbert though. Hell, use Byrdak. My wife even questioned the move who hates Francisco, and hates closers (except Wagner)) but having Niese go out there and ultimately give up the lead again (and quickly) is probably what we preferred he do rather than play 'which reliever doesn't have it today' for four innings. I didn't see the replay, did Turner slow up or was he running to second the whole way? It seems like he assumed Johnson was going to be waved around. I assumed that too, figuring you push the envelope when you have it. In which case it's probably worth the trade out of a possible out at second for the run there right? It sucks not just for SS depth but Turner was hitting the ball well the last couple of days. Dunno if OQ or Valdespin is going to do that.

Satin's still borderline a prospect or whatever. youngish. Not exactly expecting much from him but trying to avoid just losing guys like that. Of course, they jettisoned a similar "probably not going to make it but still young" case in F-Mart for the likes of D.J. Carrasco. Don't they still have a spot open or did Egbert take it? Acosta will be one spot, but the Mets don't have a ton of flexibility, especially if you want to consider the option of Harvey being added late in the year. Johnson/Nickeas could be another spot depending on how many days away Thole is. I imagine it's going to be Valdespin up though.

no, I'm good with Hairston getting AB . Duda's been staying in there mostly because he's hitting lefties. It's more Ike and Kirk. Especially both at once and especially when he also mixes in a day off for Murphy or Thole when he's here.

watched it the other day. Enjoyed it even though I didn't really expect to. was surprisingly broad on all the different area of grief. Which I guess is the point, Everyone in the film is grieving a different sort of loss and it's only the perfect combination of scenarios that get them all on the path towards being better. I think Jason Bourne and Black Widow would make a good couple though.

is it reaching a point where if he doesn't come out yelling obscenities people are going to say he's not fighting for his players anymore?

I wonder if the Mets are subpar against lefties this season because Collins refuses to let his lefties get reps in favor of lesser bats. Of course today it's more a injury thing since Davis and Duda are playing, it's just Kirk sitting for Rottino. Really it's Torres paternity leaving for Rottino since Kirk probably wasn't playing anyway.

G-Fafif wrote: Next year's theme celebrating the 2012 World Championship should yield some nice banners, too. Banner day seems like it's always been semi-historical. I'm sure banners honoring any of the three years will be acceptable.

missed this one from Cowboy day. Josh Lewin wrote: The rootinest' tootinest dang broadcast booth this side of the pecos. #wfan #mets #hopalongmajkowski yfrog.com/g07eouyj

The Second Spitter wrote: Edgy DC wrote: What's far less obvious to me is (1) is the guy on the left really supposed to be Gary Cohen? and (2) who's the guy on the right? (realize I must sound terribly ignorant for asking, but I rarely get an SNY TV feed here at home). I thought it was Kevin Burkhardt on the right. here's Kevin with the banner (Thanks to Josh Lewin)

Edgy DC wrote: I understand the "still in the league" comment from one point of view, though, snotty as it sounds. Pretty goofy that we haven't played at Nationals park yet. We played them at Big Citi in the second series of the season before things had gotten established and don't roll into DC until 6/5. weird schedule this year. They only have one more trip to Philly, at the end of August.

I loled at this one.

Nymr83 wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Dickey making a bid to start the All Star Game. Brandon Beachy may have other ideas. It'd be really really cool to see Dickey start (hell, even just pitching in it) the All-Star Game and it feature David Wright flirting with .400 (or at least be plus .375). The amount of gushing the main stream media will have to do over the Mets would just be sweet.

G-Fafif wrote: Well done graphically if...I don't know, a little bit of a downer despite the historical theme of Banner Day 2012. I believe the Mets organization and a wide swath of Mets fans are in love with that home run in part because there's an implied us over the MFYs to the event. It's the one post-9/11 thing "they" (in the form of fawning HBO documentaries and the like) can't take away from us. I do like that a player who was never a Met during Banner Day's original incarnation winds up the focus of the winning banner of Phase II of the promotion. Found myself thinking as the parade went by how great this would have been when the Bobby V Mets -- 1999's edition in particular -- were in full bloom. How many Greatest Infield Ever banners? How many Mojo Risin' banners? How many banners saluting the likes of Turk Wendell? Would have been great circa 2006, too. i'm biased because I actually know the person/people that made this one, so I'm happy for her. I haven't seen them all either. I agree it's neat that it was a Met that never saw a banner day. That kind of implies that it's not necessarily an old-timey thing and plenty of 'modern' fans were enjoying this too..and not just that, but "New-age" Mets fans that have never seen a World Championship can still manage to channel the charm and passion and optimism of the prototypical Mets fan that banner day seems to have represented.