Ceetar

metirish wrote: MFS62 wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Joel Sherman surfing this very wave. http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/mets/roster_lacks_building_blocks_C8Cv2P6cmUiGkWisPqlEWK Sherman is to sportswriting what Tiny Tim was to singing. Later good article I thought �There are multiple things that have kept us from playing very good,� Collins conceded. In other words, this isn�t a simple plug job. Not when you are three outfielders away from having a legitimate major league outfield. Not when you don�t have a starting catcher in a sport already short on catching. Not when significant parts of the Mets� own hierarchy remain unsold that Ike Davis or Daniel Murphy can be part of a first-division right side of the infield. Not when Jonathon Niese is showing second-half endurance issues once more and Dillon Gee has become a physical uncertainty. Not when Jason Bay and Johan Santana are choking the payroll for one more season. these are fears well expressed here on this forum...... Nothing he said here was 'untrue' but he's creating the team in his head that he thinks the Mets should be, not what the Mets actually need to be to win. Presuming all major league teams have three legitimate outfielders is a stretch anyway, but to say there's no chance Duda or Nieuwenhuis become one is just silly. Andres Torres is already there and Hairston, though unsigned, is a very good 4th guy. I know Thole's not great an has taken a step back this year offensively but he's OBP is in the top half of catchers. The shortage of catchers helps Thole, it doesn't hurt him. vague allusions to what what the "Mets' hierarchy feels about Davis and Murphy's ability to be 'first-division' aren't helpful to anything. Davis has shaken off a bad start and Murphy's certainly shown himself to be mostly capable. The second half isn't exactly fully closed yet, but Jon Niese has NOT shown endurance issues, merely had a bad start or two. first half ERA 3.73, second half 4.09. But its' been 33 innings in the second half. not enough to make sweeping judgements. Dillon Gee had a medical issue. Does that mean he's a physical uncertainty for NEXT season? never mind he's the 5th starter.. I know Johan's ERA ballooned when he was apparently pitching hurt, but I wouldn't describe his contributions as choking. Sure, he's paid a lot, probably more than he'll produce, value wise, but he's still producing value.

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Josh Thole's 2012 batting line was lifted straight from the resume of the prime of Bud Harrelson. Except Thole's a lot slower. And probably wouldn't of stood up to Pete Rose. True, but Thole's also under-performing his career this year. Bud's OPS+ with the Mets 75, Thole's at 81 this year. But wow, did Harrelson have a reallllllly bad '77 and '78. like, jealous of Jason Bay bad. And then suddenly a great year as what appears to be a super-sub with the Phillies in '79 and another good one with the Rangers after that at age 36? .50 and .70 points above his career average OBP.

Gwreck wrote: Edgy DC wrote: Any credibility he had with me he staked on the impossibility of the case coming to a settlement. I thought he staked it on the Wilpons having to sell, because of -- in addition to the Picard suit -- future debt payments for the Stadium, SNY and team (loan from Chase, wasn't it?) that they would not be able to afford. Obviously things are on a financial upswing for the Mets this year (settling with Picard, selling those partial shares; better record than expected) but I think it's premature to say Megal was wrong. I mean, look at what CF said above. If the Mets are missing the pieces needed to contend, they are going to need to fill them with expensive free agents. I suppose when that time comes (whether this offseason or next) we'll have a better idea of their financial health. Some of those partial shares were bought _themselves_ If they had (was it 3?) $60 mill to do that, I think it's far-fetched that they haven't seen the road ahead and what they need to do and afford to get through it. Unless you think that that was their only $60 million, and the other 9 minority guys were simply the only 9 people in the world that could afford it and were willing to invest, but that seems unlikely. Frayed Knot wrote: Most if not all of the 'This Year' is just like 'That Year' comparisons are too forced to mean much. Analyze your current problems on their own merits and take the steps that will hopefully fix them under the conditions that exist now. This is a narrative. You can often make it fit however you like it. It can make good stories. (say comparing it to 84 like some of done) but it's otherwise totally meaningless in terms of predicting the future. Hell, if we knew this was like 77, sell everyone for prospects and gamble that way because we know it's not working out. If it's like '84 it's time to acquire the big free agents to put us over the hump with the prospects we know are going to grow and work out. But I can't comment on what '77 was like. but no-hitter, R.A. Dickey's amazingness? Wright's half season of MVP and getting to see potential in a couple of other places in various degrees from Davis and Tejada and Nieuwenhuis and Harvey among others? I can't imagine the late 70s were like that.

Edgy DC wrote: Really? Haven't we already played the Reds twice? Who can figure that team out? Babe Ruth gets hurt and they become invincible for a month. 8 games with the Reds, 5 with the Brewers. 49-36 in Votto starts, 17-10 without. they appear to be pretty solid all around, pitching, hitting.

Edgy DC wrote: I'd be shocked if any of those tickets came in on the money. And I wouldn't be surprised if only Wheeler ever tasted a postgame spread as a Met. (Gronauer and Reyes have both been demoted this season.) Just taking a snapshot, using only vaguely scientific principles. Predicting the future is HARD. just weighing in. The Wheeler one is interesting actually. How many new Mets do we think debut as Sept callups, and how many are new for Opening Day? does that put us past 950? Word is probably Familia. Lagaras is on the 40 man so an easy call up. Havens?

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I think the Mets will sweep these guys. I could see that. they're coming off (hopefully right now) a hot streak, not pitching their best pitchers, the Mets are due for a little offense and for David Wright to wake up again. We know collapses come in two, and it's about time the Braves started theirs. unrelatedly (hopefully) I've been to a game at Citi where Paul Maholm has homered.

Edgy DC wrote: Projected Milepost Mets 940 Adam Loewen, Buffalo outfielder 950 Zack Wheeler, Buffalo starting pitcher 960 Raul Reyes, Binghamton outfielder 970 Adam Kolarek, Binghamton relief pitcher 980 Kai Gronauer, St. Lucie catcher 990 Juan Torres, St. Lucie catcher 1000 Blake Forsythe, St. Lucie catcher (!!!) Doesn't look like Gronauer is making the majors. 950 looks good for Wheeler though, I think it depends on what spot in the rotation he ends up with next year( assuming he does anyway, if not 950 might be low)

Dickey - 5.5 Thole - 1.25 Torres - 2.5 Wright - .5

woah, I get to start another one? neat!

If the Mets do end up in the PCL I'm going to enjoy the overreaction to some of the Mets higher-up position guys suddenly having breakout years.

bmfc1 wrote: Minor league musical chairs and the Mets lose, again (remember New Orleans?). may lose again. They were reported to have lost Buffalo two years ago if I recall too.

Gwreck wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: the Utley Corner I thought we agreed to never speak of this again. someone tell Howie, who keeps perpetuating it. Although that area is close to the North Shore-Long Island Health Center which is right up Utley's alley.

Gwreck wrote: The contract between the Yankees and Scranton isn't up at the end of the year. As stated in the articles, these are the cities whose AAA contracts expire at the end of the year: Buffalo and Rochester in the International League; and Albuquerque, Fresno, Las Vegas, Memphis, Nashville, New Orleans and Oklahoma City in the Pacific Coast League. By default, the Mets' affiliate will be in one of those cities. The article explains why it's not likely to be Albquerque, Fresno, Memphis, Nashville or Rochester. there argument against Rochester is tentative at best.

Maybe they can steal Scranton from the Yankees if they lose Buffalo.

just gotta peruse mbtn.net and check for two players with the same name back to back in the numerical roster (it's not Ramon-Fernando Martinez)

Jose Reyes has a 26 game hit streak and will look to extend that today and chase Luis Castillo's franchise record 35 game streak. Jose Reyes became the first reigning batting champion with a streak of more than 25 games since Joe DiMaggio had his record 56-game hitting streak in 1941�Reyes is the first reigning National League batting champion to have a streak of 25 or more games since Rogers Hornsby, who had a 33-game streak in 1922�Please credit the Elias Sports Bureau for the research. The Mets lost their ninth straight game at Citi Field, the club�s longest home losing streak since losing nine straight at home from August 28-September 12, 2004

In case you've forgotten what this sounds like. [youtube:34t8ucgi]FhnSiRYPqpw[/youtube:34t8ucgi] Josh Johnson versus R.A. Dickey early 12:10 start.

Nymr83 wrote: Want a beer metfairy? Highlight of tonight's game: I learned there is now a Cinnabon here! mixed in with Carvel somewhere right? I feel like I wouldn't be such a Citi Field beer/food/sightline expert, even given my antsyness normally, if the freaking Mets wouldn't give me so much incentive to not be glued to my seat.

metsmarathon wrote: metsmarathon wrote: i think it's quite clear that if i were not a mets fan, and if i were a fan of osome other team somewhere outside the nl east, i would be rooting hard for hte nats. heck, i still am. i wish them well. not well enough to beat hte mets and finish ahead of them consistently, but well enough to give their own fans hope, and to provide a worth y foil for my own team. i'm sick of philly and atlanta. and miami? fuck those charlatans. Nah, the media hype Strasburg and Harper get (although thankfully Trout tempers some of that) makes them never underdogs, not that I particularly want to root for an underdog, but the flapping over those two is enough to make me dislike the team. don't be a hater. also, don't let hte media control you. and not liking somehting because the media likes it is not at all the same thing as not letting hte media control you. True. but I'm against NL East teams besides the Mets having phenoms on general principle anyway.

metsmarathon wrote: i think it's quite clear that if i were not a mets fan, and if i were a fan of osome other team somewhere outside the nl east, i would be rooting hard for hte nats. heck, i still am. i wish them well. not well enough to beat hte mets and finish ahead of them consistently, but well enough to give their own fans hope, and to provide a worth y foil for my own team. i'm sick of philly and atlanta. and miami? fuck those charlatans. Nah, the media hype Strasburg and Harper get (although thankfully Trout tempers some of that) makes them never underdogs, not that I particularly want to root for an underdog, but the flapping over those two is enough to make me dislike the team.

Gwreck wrote: I am surprised by votes for the Angels, White Sox and Giants. Recent winners of the World Series need no extra help from us. Don't worry, If history has taught me anything, rooting for them is not going to be 'help'.

Swan Swan H wrote: Ceetar, we got there later than I wanted due to traffic so I didn't get a chance to look for your sixpoint beer. We'll be back on Saturday, and I'll try to get down there a bit earlier and peek around. I was actually wondering if the Sixpoint was AT the Steak Sandwich place. It was in the opening from behind the seats into the center field concourse to the left of Shake Shack right? There (used to be at least) a Beer of the world little stand there. No worries though, Someone told me they're going tonight and will check it out. I'm probably not making it out on this homestand myself, finances and broken cars being what they are.

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HahnSolo wrote: Not sure where Edgy's managerial strategy thread from early season is, but anyhow, with 2 outs and nobody on in the ninth, down two runs, and you have basically committed to PHing your next two batters with the lefties on your bench, don't you go Baxter first, then Jordanny? Me, I put Mr. 5-walks-in-5-PAs up there first, then go with the guy with the flair for the dramatic HR. Probably nitpicking Terry here, but I was sure thinking this while watching. I think I would've stuck with Hairston, but I'm not exactly Jordany's biggest fan.

bmfc1 wrote: Gwreck wrote: 2. It continues to baffle me that Bobby Parnell can only pitch one inning. He's effective...and then he's gone. If an inning lasted for 6 outs, Parnell could get all 6. Something apparently happens between innings to his head. They tried that with having Valdespin booting a couple of balls. ended up not working out.