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G-Fafif wrote: Two walkoff PHs in the same week this year. And then he got pinch-hit for in his next walkoff chance. Which is part of the reason I don't think Collins ever truly believed in him. I would've kept him up and played him more, particularly over Ankiel and Young, but chances are we won't be regretting letting him get away. Had some good moments. Seemed like a good guy. wore 23.

metsmarathon wrote: arbitration time is upon us! bring on the adjustments! BURN THEM ALL.

THIS SIGN IS IN FAVOR OF THE METS I approve.

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Ordonez had one outstanding defensive season, 1999, where he might've even been deserving of the Gold Glove he won, and one more excellent season defensively - 1997. Beyond those two, he was nothing special, despite his knack for consistently making visually breathtaking and highlight-worthy plays. In fact, there's plenty of evidence that his backups, Vizcaino, Lopez et. al. were at least just as efficient defensively as Ordonez, though not nearly as pretty to look at. Other than 1999, he was never in the conversation of best fielding shortstop, either in the Majors, or in the NL. well, cite said evidence maybe? Because they didn't talk him up on Sportscenter? Please, Gold Gloves are an offense award, and if the 1999 infield offense wasn't so outrageously ridiculous he wouldn't have won it then either. You're talking about an award Derek Jeter won in 2010 despite hanging out near the bottom of most fielding statistic categories except errors which is laughable because only one shortstop made fewer plays on balls in the zone that season than him.

Total Zone (one of the few defensive stats going back in time) has it Ordonez, Hernandez, Harrelson, Beltran/Ventura/Gilkey at 58,52,41,38/38/38.

Mets � Willets Point wrote: Not a strong centerfielder, perhaps, the Federalist Papers are righteous. well, he's probably on furlong.

Unequivocally. Also, Lagares is without a doubt the best OF on the team next year.

Frayed Knot wrote: Fman99 wrote: Those who know my full name will understand my distaste for the topic at hand. It's not Scheisskopf is it?

G-Fafif wrote: Mets in 2014. we have a winner.

G-Fafif wrote: I wonder if anybody else in baseball or professional sports history is so renowned as a postseason player yet has had as many as three separate bids to move into the championship round halted in the seventh and deciding game of the semi-final round -- with three different teams, no less, while (as of yet) not finding his way in on a subsequent occasion. all three series featured the Cardinals too.

I think there's a quote about Ruth saying he didn't think they could get two hits behind him so he needed to get to second where one hit could drive him in. Anyway, Beltran's lack of WS prowess is only because of the two rounds to get there and it's a team game. Like last night, like 2006 game 1, there's only so many games he can win by himself.

I'd like to point out that Babe Ruth once ended a World Series by getting thrown out stealing second. (Against the Cardinals!)

Cardinals and Redish socks in 5.

Edgy MD wrote: They not only refused to assist McCourt, but actively forced his hand. Of course they were worse off and the McCourts were actively missing payroll dates and hiding money and other nefarious things, like cutting security.

Mets � Willets Point wrote: Fman99 wrote: Those who know my full name will understand my distaste for the topic at hand. I'm trying to imagine what medieval trade contributed to the creation of your name. torturer?

As I was last year, rooting for the Cardinals to get Carlos Beltran a ring so that it augments his "Hall of Fame" case and ultimately adds a third* Met hat in the Museum.

Megdal floating $47 million after arbitration in the second post in this thread. I didn't fact check him, but the expected arb numbers are readily available, although the Mets rarely actually arbitrate, the contract values are usually pretty close anyway. (in part because the expected values are readily available) Maybe someone like Davis gets a smidge less, but still, $47 and then fill out the roster with 500mill guys and you still have a pretty penny to sign guys, not spend it all, and still have a lower payroll.

All I can think of is: "Sorry Bob, but I don't think that's a balk"

86-Dreamer wrote: Vic Sage wrote: About $40M worth of 2013 payroll was tied up in dead contracts (Santana & Bay). So the Mets can get an additional $40M worth of talent without increasing payroll. well of course that's not true. ........And they will still owe Santana $5.5m and Harang $2m to buy out their 2014 deals, giving them $7.5m of dead money on the budget for next year. Whoa, why would they owe anything to Harang? I am pretty sure they signed him as an FA after he cleared waivers. I'd lose all remaining faith in management if they burned $2 million of next years payroll for a few meaningless starts by Harang. supposedly they factored in the buyouts into the 2013 budget.

metsmarathon wrote: whenever i go to the mall, i park at sears. clearly, it's usually where you get the best spots. I just bought a grill from them and put it together while gravity tried to dump acorns on my head. It seems like you guys are saying this is worth seeing.

Beltran.

I divined a fourth conclusion. Spending for the sake of spending just because you suddenly have the money to spend is not the best way to build a contender.

Edgy MD wrote: Excellent point, which we can interpret as... tie up Murphy now? Even if you don't intend to keep him? Tie up Parnell? Vic Sage wrote: MIGUEL CABRERA - the exception to every rule. Crappy fielder, carries extra weight, gravitating toward DH, apparent substance problems. Makes $22,000,000 a year and folks would fall over themselves to pay it, and probably would if he was 35. That's a man who can hit. take him and toss the Mets on the pile for "DH Everywhere". *shrug* Hell, it's already in the rules so the NL could start up with the DH next year if they felt like it. I don't think people realize how easy it would be.

Edgy MD wrote: I think what we learned the second half of this year, though, is that, while sometimes superior pitching is exciting and invigorating, sometimes it just gets you really really long ties. And the strategy of playing until somebody screws up is really really stressful. We need some three-run innings. Just get solid quality guys more than trying to fit molds. Guys that don't make outs. It's temping to say we need a slugging OFer, but that might not be as worthwhile for the Mets/Citi. I'd certainly rather a guy like Duda (as an example of one we have) who's gonna OBP while still being able to drive the ball even if it's not for 41 home runs than one we think is going to hit 40 and ends up hitting 24 with a .310 on base percentage.

Tejada had a crappy start to the season, but his numbers aren't really abysmal.