Ceetar

And because you've all been good, here's the list ordered by IBB-HR in non-readable fashion 22 Rey Ordonez Total 2001 14 3 17 28 Doug Flynn Total 1980 14 0 14 7 Rey Ordonez Total 1999 11 1 12 15 Rafael Santana Total 1985 11 1 12 18 Rey Ordonez Total 1996 11 1 12 41 Rafael Santana Total 1986 11 1 12 14 Doug Flynn Total 1978 10 0 10 24 Rey Ordonez Total 2002 10 1 11 33 Jerry Grote Total 1968 8 3 11 32 Bud Harrelson Total 1969 7 0 7 74 Doug Flynn Total 1981 7 1 8 17 Rey Ordonez Total 1998 6 1 7 30 Jerry Grote Total 1970 6 2 8 44 Jerry Grote Total 1975 6 2 8 45 Ruben Tejada Total 2014 6 5 11 84 Ron Hodges Total 1983 6 0 6

Maybe the most hated #2 Mets hitter of all time, come on, you can't drop the ball on this one. 1. 765 PA Jose Reyes '07 13 IBB, 12 HR 2. 743 PA Felix Milan '75 2 IBB, 1 HR 3. 682 Harrelson '70 4 IBB, 1 HR 4. 682 Keith HErnandez '85 15 IBB, 10 HR 5. 679 Willie Montanez 19 IBB 17 HR 6. 594 Howard Johnson 25 IBB, 24 HR 7. 588 PA. Rey Ordonez '99 12 IBB, 1 HR 8. 587 Felix Milan '76 5 IBB, 1 HR 9. 586 PA Jose Reyes '11 9 IBB, 7 HR 10. 585 Felix Milan '74 2 IBB, 1 HR 11. 580 PA Doug Flynn '79 7 IBB, 4 HR. 12. 580 Luis CAstillo 2009 3/1 13. 577 Joel Youngblood '80 10 IBB 8 HR 14. 572 PA Doug Flynn '78 10 IBB, 0 HR. 15. 564 PA Rafael Santana '85 12 IBB, 1 HR. 19. 516 PA Ed Kranepool '67 15 IBB 10 HR 23. 499 PA Wally Backman '84 2 IBB, 1 HR 25. Hubie Brooks '82 5/2 30. 463 PA Grote to the Max '70 8 IBB, 2 HR 45. 419 PA Tejada 2014 11 IBB, 5 HR. etc. Hodges was 6/0 in half a season in '83. Lance was 2/1 in half of '97 Never: Strawberry, Bonilla, Mookie, Agee, Sterns, Wright Staub did it a couple of times in less than <100 AB

Maybe the most hated #2 Mets hitter of all time, come on, you can't drop the ball on this one. 1. 765 PA Jose Reyes '07 13 IBB, 12 HR 2. 743 PA Felix Milan '75 2 IBB, 1 HR 3. 682 Harrelson '70 4 IBB, 1 HR 4. 682 Keith HErnandez '85 15 IBB, 10 HR 5. 679 Willie Montanez 19 IBB 17 HR 6. 594 Howard Johnson 25 IBB, 24 HR 7. 588 PA. Rey Ordonez '99 12 IBB, 1 HR 8. 587 Felix Milan '76 5 IBB, 1 HR 9. 586 PA Jose Reyes '11 9 IBB, 7 HR 10. 585 Felix Milan '74 2 IBB, 1 HR 11. 580 PA Doug Flynn '79 7 IBB, 4 HR. 12. 13. 577 Joel Youngblood '80 10 IBB 8 HR 14. 572 PA Doug Flynn '78 10 IBB, 0 HR. 15. 564 PA Rafael Santana '85 12 IBB, 1 HR. 19. 516 PA Ed Kranepool '67 15 IBB 10 HR 23. 499 PA Wally Backman '84 2 IBB, 1 HR 25. Hubie Brooks '82 5/2 30. 463 PA Grote to the Max '70 8 IBB, 2 HR 45. 419 PA Tejada 2014 11 IBB, 5 HR. etc. Hodges was 6/0 in half a season in '83. Lance was 2/1 in half of '97 Never: Strawberry, Bonilla, Mookie, Agee, Sterns, Wright Staub did it a couple of times in less than <100 AB

Maybe not that obscure, before my time though. 1. 765 PA Jose Reyes '07 13 IBB, 12 HR 2. 743 PA Felix Milan '75 2 IBB, 1 HR 3. 682 Harrelson '70 4 IBB, 1 HR 4. 5. 679 Willie Montanez 19 IBB 17 HR 6. 7. 588 PA. Rey Ordonez '99 12 IBB, 1 HR 8. 587 Felix Milan '76 5 IBB, 1 HR 9. 586 PA Jose Reyes '11 9 IBB, 7 HR 10. 585 Felix Milan '74 2 IBB, 1 HR 11. 580 PA Doug Flynn '79 7 IBB, 4 HR. 12. 13. 577 Joel Youngblood '80 10 IBB 8 HR 14. 572 PA Doug Flynn '78 10 IBB, 0 HR. 15. 564 PA Rafael Santana '85 12 IBB, 1 HR. 19. 516 PA Ed Kranepool '67 15 IBB 10 HR 23. 499 PA Wally Backman '84 2 IBB, 1 HR 25. Hubie Brooks '82 5/2 30. 463 PA Grote to the Max '70 8 IBB, 2 HR 45. 419 PA Tejada 2014 11 IBB, 5 HR. etc. Hodges was 6/0 in half a season in '83. Lance was 2/1 in half of '97 Never: Strawberry, Bonilla, Mookie, Agee, Sterns, Wright Staub did it a couple of times in less than <100 AB

Milan was apparently good at this. Mostly due to never homering. 2 of the remaining are guys that have Mets rings, 1 is obscure, 1 you've tried to forget. 1. 765 PA Jose Reyes '07 13 IBB, 12 HR 2. 743 PA Felix Milan '75 2 IBB, 1 HR 3. 682 Harrelson '70 4 IBB, 1 HR 4. 5. 6. 7. 588 PA. Rey Ordonez '99 12 IBB, 1 HR 8. 587 Felix Milan '76 5 IBB, 1 HR 9. 586 PA Jose Reyes '11 9 IBB, 7 HR 10. 585 Felix Milan '74 2 IBB, 1 HR 11. 580 PA Doug Flynn '79 7 IBB, 4 HR. 12. 13. 577 Joel Youngblood '80 10 IBB 8 HR 14. 572 PA Doug Flynn '78 10 IBB, 0 HR. 15. 564 PA Rafael Santana '85 12 IBB, 1 HR. 19. 516 PA Ed Kranepool '67 15 IBB 10 HR 23. 499 PA Wally Backman '84 2 IBB, 1 HR 25. Hubie Brooks '82 5/2 30. 463 PA Grote to the Max '70 8 IBB, 2 HR 45. 419 PA Tejada 2014 11 IBB, 5 HR. etc. Hodges was 6/0 in half a season in '83. Lance was 2/1 in half of '97 Never: Strawberry, Bonilla, Mookie, Agee, Sterns, Wright Staub did it a couple of times in less than <100 AB

1. 765 PA Jose Reyes '07 13 IBB, 12 HR 2. 3. 682 Harrelson '70 4 IBB, 1 HR 4. 5. 6. 7. 588 PA. Rey Ordonez '99 12 IBB, 1 HR 8. 9. 586 PA Jose Reyes '11 9 IBB, 7 HR 10. 11. 580 PA Doug Flynn '79 7 IBB, 4 HR. 12. 13. 14. 572 PA Doug Flynn '78 10 IBB, 0 HR. 15. 564 PA Rafael Santana '85 12 IBB, 1 HR. 19. 516 PA Ed Kranepool '67 15 IBB 10 HR 23. 499 PA Wally Backman '84 2 IBB, 1 HR 30. 463 PA Grote to the Max '70 8 IBB, 2 HR 45. 419 PA Tejada 2014 11 IBB, 5 HR. Never: Strawberry, Bonilla, Mookie, Agee

d'Kong76 wrote: Ok, one more... Jose, Josejosejose, Jose, Jose? yes. You guys have been too fixated on the back of the order. 1. 765 PA Jose Reyes '07 13 IBB, 12 HR 2. 3. 682 Harrelson '70 4 IBB, 1 HR 4. 5. 6. 7. 588 PA. Rey Ordonez '99 12 IBB, 1 HR 8. 9. 586 PA Jose Reyes '11 9 IBB, 7 HR 10. 11. 580 PA Doug Flynn '79 7 IBB, 4 HR. 12. 13. 14. 572 PA Doug Flynn '78 10 IBB, 0 HR. 15. 564 PA Rafael Santana '85 12 IBB, 1 HR. 19. 516 PA Ed Kranepool '67 15 IBB 10 HR 30. 463 PA Grote to the Max '70 8 IBB, 2 HR 45. 419 PA Tejada 2014 11 IBB, 5 HR. Never: Strawberry, Bonilla

1. 2. 3. 682 Harrelson '70 4 IBB, 1 HR 4. 5. 6. 7. 588 PA. Rey Ordonez '99 12 IBB, 1 HR 8. 9. 10. 11. 580 PA Doug Flynn '79 7 IBB, 4 HR. 12. 13. 14. 572 PA Doug Flynn '78 10 IBB, 0 HR. 15. 564 PA Rafael Santana '85 12 IBB, 1 HR. 19. 516 PA Ed Kranepool '67 15 IBB 10 HR 30. 463 PA Grote to the Max '70 8 IBB, 2 HR 45. 419 PA Tejada 2014 11 IBB, 5 HR. Never: Strawberry, Bonilla

1. 2. 3. 682 Harrelson '70 4 IBB, 1 HR 4. 5. 6. 7. 588 PA. Rey Ordonez '99 12 IBB, 1 HR 8. 9. 10. 11. 580 PA Doug Flynn '79 7 IBB, 4 HR. 12. 13. 14. 572 PA Doug Flynn '78 10 IBB, 0 HR. 15. 564 PA Rafael Santana '85 12 IBB, 1 HR. 19. 516 PA Ed Kranepool '67 15 IBB 10 HR 45. 419 PA Tejada 2014 11 IBB, 5 HR. Never: Strawberry, Bonilla Flynn's also 28th.

batmagadanleadoff wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: How are you ranking them? Chronologically? IBB's minus HR's? IBB's? Sumptin' else? Because I'm pretty sure Rey O did it more than once. He did. Just not in the top 10 of PA. 17th, '98, 18th, '96, 22nd '01, 24th, '02, 54th '97 We can do greatest IBB-HR after if you like. It's not really that much different.

1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 588 PA. Rey Ordonez '99 12 IBB, 1 HR 8. 9. 10. 11. 580 PA Doug Flynn '79 7 IBB, 4 HR. 12. 13. 14. 572 PA Doug Flynn '78 10 IBB, 0 HR. 45. 419 PA Tejada 2014 11 IBB, 5 HR. Never: Strawberry, Bonilla Flynn's also 28th. lest you get discouraged of home run hitters, the 13 entries add up to 85 HR

1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 588 PA. Rey Ordonez '99 12 IBB, 1 HR 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. 13. Never: Strawberry

Quizzes are fun right? Inspired by the no homers club. (with den Dekker playing the part of Homer Glumpet) Top 10 Mets players (by PA) with more intentional walks in a season than home runs. One guess per post. One guy is there twice, another 3 times. You can guess a season if you like, but I'll provide all three answers if you name the duplicate guys. Not sure this is a hint or not, but they're all basically full seasons. no cheesy 30AB guys here. 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. 13.

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Ceetar wrote: yes, but, what about Mets seasons instead of Mets careers? Whaddya mean? Most seasons w/o a HR? Season record for most AB's w/o a HR? Something else? Season's with no home runs, which more matches the den Dekker profile. (I've already looked it up)

yes, but, what about Mets seasons instead of Mets careers?

Frayed Knot wrote: Holding team to ZERO runs might increase slightly based on the increased GiDP odds But at the same time the 2-or-more odds have to jump some given that you're freely awarding the winning run the toughest 90 feet to get. I've seen tables like this in the past--ones that show pcts rather than averages--but can't seem to locate one now. And of course you'd want stats that are at least relatively up to date since run scoring in general is down these days. And we have to remember that any of those tables are only generic and can't take into consideration the specific batters & pitchers. I don't have a problem with what Buck did did given the players involved and the two game gap he had to play with. I'd just be curious as to how the individual pcts broke down. oh, I agree with you. I'm fine with the move. and I'd be interested to see those tables as well, though I don't think I've seen a 2+ runs one though. the numbers I posted were from 2014. Remind me when the 2014 data is available via retrosheet and maybe I'll try to recreate it myself. I'd also like to see an _exactly_ one run chart because while bunting with no outs and 1 on is generally bad and reduces scoring, when it's the bottom of the 9th of a tie game, I'm not so sure it's as bad as it's made out to be somtime.

Frayed Knot wrote: but you can do the math from there. It's all probability. teams score 1 run every 4 times they're presented with that situation, or 2 runs every 8. No, that's not what your .24 stat is saying. It's saying (assuming that you're finding the same stats I am: Run expectations of .8623 vs .6235, or ~.24 difference) that teams score One Extra run in every four attempts depending on the base runners. Those are averages you're quoting, not probabilities. The percentage of times that a team will score two or more runs given the extra base runner vs not is a separate number (one which I can't find at the moment). yes, specifically 2+ is different, and I don't know where you'd easily find that number without querying the database, but that first run is very important in this regard too, and avoiding it was also part of Buck's reasoning.

Frayed Knot wrote: Ceetar wrote: teams only scored .24 more runs with first and second than with just second. The weaker hitter and Britton's pitch profile probably negates that difference. Yeah but .24 is only an average of all outcomes starting from those situations and it's the 2nd run there, the one you're issuing a free pass to, that's the game loser. The stat you really want here is the percentage of times a team scores fewer than two runs given each set-up vs the pct they score two or more. By definition it's even less than that. but you can do the math from there. It's all probability. teams score 1 run every 4 times they're presented with that situation, or 2 runs every 8. I mean, it's virtually meaningless anyway. run expectancy, just like calculating expected value in poker, is designed to win out over the long run. Buck makes that decision 100 times all the variables drop out and he's generally allowing about 24 more runs over that span. But if you see an individual situation that makes sense to you, just like if you were in a poker hand and were pretty sure the opponent had nothing, you might make the statistically-wrong call. Also those averages ignore the 'how you got there' state. If I had the time (I don't, nor is the 2014 data readily available to me) I'd like to run these run expectancy charts through a filter of previous state. I think what happened before matters, and I wonder, though doubt, if runs already in matter. But what I'm getting at is that 12- 1 out situations factor in getting there via 2 hits/walks, I'd like to sit the matrix for when you get to 12- 1 out via -2- 1 out versus 1-- 1 out. I bet the difference is even less.

teams only scored .24 more runs with first and second than with just second. The weaker hitter and Britton's pitch profile probably negates that difference.

Zvon wrote: The commercial that has McCutchen making that great play at the wall-- I find it totally insane that fans right in front of the play were not looking at it with their own eyes, but through there devices--but this commercial thinks this is the proper way to experience life, so what do I know? hmm. maybe. But what is so special about 'actual eyes' versus super-HD camera? When people say they "saw it with their own eyes" aren't they often just meaning they saw it live? This is seeing it live, with all the same crowd-energy and what not. It's just also recorded. Anyway, I'm more concerned with how they got such crisp shots of a moving target from what appears to be angles they couldn't possible have been at.

#BerwisMEThod That cruise ship photo of Malone is sorta scary. Was that the ship that got lost at sea?

I thought Hefner was non-tendered and signed to a minor league deal last season. As such he might just be a flat out free agent at this point and things were looking bleak for him.

I'm sure they're still tweaking the replay rules. first year bugs and all. I'd get rid of the manager challenges entirely. Leave it up to the umpires to review it and get it right. This preserves the managers right to come out and yell at them to review it the same way they used to that people miss so much. It'd also get rid of the 'theater' of them waiting for the signal to review. If they go out there with nothing to say, delay of game them and award a ball. If they go out there and yell, they risk ejection. And this may be the best part, if they wait for conclusive evidence via video review, the game may proceed before they can object. Which means the other team has an incentive to not dilly dally. And if the team possibly wanting a review shuffles their feet, that's when you enforce the delay of game penalties.

HahnSolo wrote: Of course the correct answer is you leave your ace in with a lead and only 88 pitches under his belt. And I think Collins would do that. But if he'd decided Shields was done? hmm. one game play-in? I dunno, I think he probably goes with Torres. Torres seems his designated 'bridge' guy that he brings in when he doesn't have a designated role or length. but he might go Edgin for matchups.

Gwreck wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: *the technicality that cost us the ability to replace El Duque and quite possibly the series even though it was an injury which occurred before the series ever started Duque was hurt before the Division Series, which they swept. He was unavailable for the LCS due to the injury. My recollection is that he was expected to be healthy for the World Series, if they had made it. It was Floyd who was on the roster though injured, but that's the opposite and they may have kept him on anyway. Or maybe they would've kept him, tested him in a game earlier, and if he broke replace him with someone that actually gets a walk-off hit in that spot.