Ceetar

Delgado gets 21 votes. none for Floyd.

G-Fafif wrote: I'll be moderating a debate on "Meaningful Games in September"; leading a Q&A with Adam Rubin; weighing in on what if any Mets numbers should be retired; and hosting the Gil Hodges Award presentation to Ed Charles. So, yeah, I recommend a Saturday afternoon on 126th Street, for sure. Come on down! I'll mostly be pointing a video camera at him..and maybe you?

Vic Sage wrote: other views on how shafted Smoltz is by biased use of WAR and JAWS: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-a-tures/biased-war-and-jaws-stats_b_6417496.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592 He's not shafted, he didn't pitch as much. It's not that WAR is biased against relievers, it's that by any measure, being great for 240 innings is roughly 4x as good as being great for 60 innings. Relieving and Starting are not 'two separate positions' they're the same position at different points in the game.

Welcome Troy. Sorry, you can't wear #2 here because it's been permanently soiled. Anyone want to take a flyer on Brian McCann? feels like a prime candidate for a bounce-back in HR at least. Lester? How about Segura? SS, also a young bounceback type guy.

d'Kong76 wrote: Do we need to reel in some setting? I'm embarrassingly clueless about Twitter, and my generally finding it annoying that it's gotten so popular doesn't help me move forward on the learning curve. no. It's fine for each thread to get a tweet, that's sorta the point. Of course, without an actual social media presence (i.e. non-thread tweets) very few people actually follow or see the threads to be enticed to jump in and post so.. It's not a setting within the forum, someone set it up, i'm just blanking on who. cooby wrote: What is RSS? I have heard of that. Aren't constant tweets annoying? I have always wondered that... RSS means Really Simple Syndication. It's basically just a stream of text that other places can read. You can think of it just like reagular tv syndication. Every post/thread here goes into an XML document and RSS feed readers can interpret that into posts and content. Our twitter feed reads that ,and every time it sees a new thread it creates a tweet out of it. Twitter is about constant tweets. Think about it like the office gossip around a water cooler, except you get to choose who's there and if it gets too loud/spammy you can kick people out or simply walk away and close Twitter.

At this part of the problem is these guys can't help but be compared to each other and it makes those fringier guys seem like not Hall guys because they're not Pedro and Bonds. It's kinda funny, guys being punished for not hitting as well as Barry because it was an offensive era but Bonds himself being punished for hitting like that.

Zvon wrote: d'Kong76 wrote: So I just looked at the Twitter page and there was a notification with a link to this thread. If you post *at sign* with something any where on the internet Twitter finds it? He asked a question. You know how twitter ignorant I am. I'm always asking about it too. I have no clue. I believe seawolf? set that up. Every new thread here gets a tweet. Unrelated to that ,every post here gets into the RSS feed.

Gwreck wrote: It doesn't matter. If you check 10 boxes and also write "Pete Rose" on the bottom of the ballot, you voted for the 10 players whose boxes were checked. Same thing if you check 10 boxes and also write "Easter Bunny" on the bottom of the ballot. so check 15 boxes. so write 15 names at the bottom. etc etc.

Gwreck wrote: Write-ins are not actually tabulated. right, but it's not like those ballots are thrown out for being invalid right?

I'd like to argue that if write-ins for Pete Rose are actually be tabulated and not thrown out, you should be able to write-in 15 names if you wanted.

I might be interested in TT. Hmm.

Looking at the gamelogs, he had 4 games at home, 9 away in the second half. compared to 8 at home, 11 away in the first half. Might simply be the Citi Field factor. (the HR rate that is)

I don't think I've seen 10 movies this year. all time low for me probably. I saw Divergent (botched) and MockingJay part 1 (was good) Just scrolled through the top 200 most popular 2014 movies on IMDB and yeah, only those two. Haven't even seen any others by other means. Which means I haven't seen a film from this year that I didn't already know the story. Embarrassing showing.

I had Smoltz and not Mussina as well, but mainly because I'd already decided Smoltz was one, because I wanted to slight Clemens (you bum), and there is a stupid 10 person limit that basically lets you slight people. I haven't looked closely at Mussina to decide, and didn't have to yet.

Edgy MD wrote: I see what you be saying. But I would note that (1) he strikes out a lot more fellas than Pelf, and (2) his control is consistent, worryingly so. Pelf since he left the Mets, by the way... 5-16/5.56. which is well worse than his Mets numbers, but more telling is he hasn't even gotten 200 innings in since then. He was basically a league averagish type pitches for the Mets, which was quite useful, and now he's just broken. sad really. Last month the Twins placed right-hander Mike Pelfrey on the disabled list with a groin injury, which provided a convenient excuse to remove him from the rotation after going 0-3 with a 7.99 ERA in five starts. While rehabbing in the minors Pelfrey was shut down with a shoulder injury and now, after being examined by doctors again, he�s been diagnosed with nerve irritation in his elbow. I know I've heard some about how returning too fast from Tommy John can mess you up, and well, Pelf hasn't been the same since the Tommy John. but yeah, Wheeler strikes guys out. This is a lesser offensive era, but if all Wheeler is going to be is a sub-4 ERA guy..I'd be pretty darn happy about that.

Edgy MD wrote: I understand it to be far more useful for pitchers, to the extent that it is useful. Rey Ord��ez had a contact rate second only to Tony Gwynn, but a babip 70 points lower. A person could keep attributing that to luck and expecting it to gravitate toward the mean, but it never happened and was never going to. There's contact and there's contact. Yes, agreed. that's why you often look to pair BABIP with LD% for batters. Really, with a variety of things, since it doesn't really tell a story on it's own. Look at Ruben Tejada, typically in the top of the league in LD% but not really making much of it. Ordonez has league-average LD% too. There's probably some value in also comparing that to ISO but I digress. But for a pitcher, all it's really telling you is about your defense. It's only somewhat true, but a pitcher has very little control over what happens to the ball after it leaves his hand. There ARE some pitchers that yield weak contact, but since it's so defense based, and defenses change so much year to year for almost everybody, it's hard to tie babip to pitcher skill.

Edgy MD wrote: I don't know the process by which Harvey and deGrom make other pitchers better. It could happen, but that's some speculative science. It's notable that Wheels didn't curtail his walks. His strikeouts up-ticked a small amount, but so did his homers allowed. The real change is the batting average against. I think that's too frequently dismissed --- the McCracken thesis has holes and always did --- but it's obviously somewhat more luck-dependent than seeing his homers or walks go down or his strikeouts go up. babip is less useful for pitchers as I understand it. Also takes a little while to stabilize, so even smaller samples are somewhat less useful. But mostly, that's out of Wheeler's control. Though Tulo over Flores would definitely help it. I think the big difference is the K rate and HR rate. There's indication that HR rate has some measure of luck. Fly balls may leave the yard in a warm august with a breeze, but die in a cooler April. (xFIP takes this into account, whereas FIP doesn't, though Wheeler's xFIP and FIP are basically the same) His FIP went up slightly the second half, while his xFIP remained about the same. Harder to suddenly strike more guys out, that's usually somewhat indicative of skill, something I don't think it's unreasonable to expect out of Wheeler as he matures. You could wonder if it's because the Mets were mostly out of it in the second half, and he decided he should start attacking hitters more, with less to lose? But then you'd expect his BB rate to drop, the same if he improved on his control. I can't easily find 1st/2nd splits for pitch FX though, but he yielded a few more fly balls and a few less line drives in the second half. he stranded 5% more runners. What it boils down to is that he may have been roughly the same pitcher just happened to have the defense make a few more plays and strand a few more runners.

Edgy MD wrote: So, for giggles and shingles, how do you imagine the lineup changes with Tulowitzki? Tulo to third, Wright to fifth, Cuddyer to seventh and d'Arnaud eighth? Or do you think Wright instead gets bumped up to second, and Granderson back down? Grandy leadoff? I don't think Wright gets bumped, though I've been suggesting Wright as leadoff or second for a while. How about Wright, Granderson, Tulowitzki, Duda, Cuddyer, Murphy, Lagares, d'Arnaud, Pitcher? hmm.. Honestly I can't arrange those 9 players in a way that doesn't feel like slighting someone.

I found it (finance is a code word for Madoff) in the third paragraph and stopped there.

Can't find anything but feel like I remember hearing about the initial suspension.

Edgy MD wrote: I'm trying to remember who it was that said he just worried about finding hitters. That he could shake a tree and 10 glove guys would fall out. But, if he stumbles as a fielder, and press and fans are getting on the team over his stumbles, that certainly can affect his hitting as well. It can also affect his speech, his driving, and his lovemaking. Confidence is confidence. So, as with Daniel Murphy in a prior age, it's at least somewhat important that he acquits himself respectably as a fielder. A lot of it's timing I think. People don't notice the "didn't get to it" errors as much. and if he doesn't make a game-altering one that's directly attributed to the loss, he might have time to find his stroke with the bat. And of course, if the Mets are 28-10 no one's gonna talk about his fielding much.

Honestly my biggest concern is that he won't hit. big prospect/scout guys seem to almost take this for granted. If he's seriously got a bat and is going to hit above average (not just for a SS) I'm confident enough that he'll provide more value than he takes away (but yes, please put Tejada/backup in in the 8th) but I'm not thrilled with the prospect of betting on that right now.

Edgy MD wrote: I mostly doubt this deal goes down at all. If it does, I feel confident that it won't be at full freight. I suspect those are related. It's not going to go down because Colorado is asking for the moon and isn't going to back down.

Edgy MD wrote: Edgy MD wrote: So, um, Steve Miller Band! and Heart. I know nothing bout either of 'em. Do you like peaches? Do they come from a can?

Mets � Willets Point wrote: Ceetar wrote: Edgy MD wrote: So, um, Steve Miller Band! and Heart. I know nothing bout either of 'em. Someone wasn't paying attention during the Band Ladder Challenge. that is correct. Actually, I lied, I know as much as the two paragraphs in the press release state. Heart into the Hall Of Fame in 2013!