dinosaur jesus wrote: The problem with these ideas isn't that you shouldn't be messing with the game. There's been messing all along, often much more radical than anything that's being proposed here.... And the one proposal that seems to stand up for baseball tradition, banning extreme shifts, is the dumbest of all. Shifts are completely within the logic of the game; they exploit something that's been there all along but rarely utilized. They're fun as hell to watch. And they work, which turns out to be the real problem with them. What's wrong with these people? Screed over. I've highlighed the beginning and end of your post. On the one hand, I tend to agree with both excerpted points, very much so. But then I wonder if those points contradict each other. Why are shifts completely within the logic of the game? And why does shift equal baseball tradition? Isn't that mainly arbitrary? What if defenders were barred ever since the beginning of baseball - by official rule - from straying from their designated fielding areas? What if defensive shifts were prohibited ever since the beginning of baseball? Wouldn't we now be attacking new proposed rules permitting defensive shifts as some radical and uncalled for tinkering -- a gimmick? Yeah, I'm probably not being completely logical here. If they'd banned shifts from the beginning, I'm sure I wouldn't think twice about it. But I don't think they would have; I doubt it would have occurred to anyone to do that. And there is a sort of precedent in baseball history. When second basemen started playing halfway to first, and shortstops halfway to third, it's possible there was some grumbling from the traditionalists. But I imagine most people thought it was just a smart way to deploy your fielders, placing them where the ball was most likely to be hit. And that's all a shift does. That's what I mean by the logic of the game--the hitter tries to hit 'em where they ain't, the fielders try to be where the ball is most likely to go. The thought that shifts are unfair comes from the idea that there's such a thing as a third baseman or a second baseman. There isn't. Those are only conventional names. I just don't see the logic of saying that because someone usually plays near third base, and you call him a third basemen, he can't be allowed to move to the other side of second once in a while.