There's no point arguing with Yankee fans. Just shoot them. Highlight: Me: JAWS puts him 12th among SS (http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/jaws_SS.shtml), which I think is reasonable. Friend: Some of the guys ahead of him played more than half their careers at other positions. Banks, Yount, Ripken, A-Rod. The list needs some fine tuning. Me: Only Ernie Banks on that list played "more than half" of his career at another position, and even then, just barely (120 more games). Yount played 300 more at SS than OF, Ripken only played 3B at the end of his career (and moved because the O's got someone who played the position better). ARod started playing third because the Yankees got someone who played the position better but Cap'n Intangibles, Mr. "Class," couldn't be bothered to make his team better by keeping the better player in his natural position. So let's not get too crazy there. Friend: My mistake on Ripken and Yount (so Yount played almost half his career in the OF), but their time at other positions was significant enough that they accumulated the necessary stats they wouldn't have otherwise had to make the HOF. I also love how you hold A-Rod above Jeter when it suits your arguments. Ask anyone who they would rather have hitting in a clutch situation (regular season or postseason), regardless of fan affiliation. Me: OH COME ON. "When it suits my cause?" Career OPS with RISP (ARod .929, Jeter .816), career OPS with 2 outs, RISP (ARod .862, Jeter .833), career OPS "late and close" (ARod .896, .792), career OPS in the ninth inning (ARod .836, Jeter .673). Friend: Break out the postseason too, please. Me: Postseason: ARod .263/.369/.464, Jeter .308/.374/.465. So they're THE SAME, except Jeter had a few hits where ARod had walks. And Arod had 41 RBI in 326 PA to Jete's 61 in 734 PA, so he's got a higher RBI/PA ratio too in the postseason. All of Jeter's "value" is in "intangibles," which are only a thing because he had great talent around him his whole career. Players with a career OPS+ of 117: Derek Jeter, Jesse Barfield, Carlton Fisk, Steve Garvey, George Hendrick, Matt Stairs, Lou Whitaker. And you know what? That sounds about right too. Friend: They're the same in OBP & OPS. It's not a contest when it comes to BA. Jeter has 128 more hits in slightly more than twice the games A-Rod has played, which shows he has been able to maintain that high level across more pressure situations. .308 over .263 is not due to a few more hits. Me: Actually, mathematically, that's exactly what it is. Did you forget how to calculate batting average? Oi.