Edgy MD

Alonso and Ohtani are participating in the Invitational Base-on-Balls Derby Contest tonight.

Araúz should be nicknamed "The Country Gentleman."

I'm not sure that Ron is right. I think a lot of players would love to continue hitting and pitching, but their coaches force them to shut down one or the other.

Araúz Roy Staiger tribute is really classy.

This last month or so might have been more interesting if aliens hadn't replaced Álvarez with a pod person.

We got 24-22!

Mendick and Araúz give us two consecutive sub-.500 OPS's in a row.

Look at DJ, cracking the lineup against a lefty. [TABLE][TR][TH][/TH][TH][FIMG=250]https://cdn.freebiesupply.com/logos/large/2x/anaheim-angels-logo-png-transparent.png[/FIMG][/TH][TH][/TH][TH][/TH][TH][FIMG=250]https://cdn.freebiesupply.com/images/large/2x/new-york-mets-logo-transparent.png[/FIMG][/TH][TH][/TH][/TR] [TR][TH]#[/TH][TH]Player[/TH][TH]Pos.[/TH][TH]#[/TH][TH]Player[/TH][TH]Pos.[/TH][/TR][TR][TD]=#003263]1[/TD][TD]=#BA0021]Nolan Schanuel (L)[/TD][TD]=#003263]1b[/TD][TD]=#FF5910]1[/TD][TD]=#002D72]Brandon Nimmo (L)[/TD][TD]=#FF5910]cf[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]=#003263]2[/TD][TD]=#BA0021]Shohei Ohtani (L)[/TD][TD]=#003263]dh[/TD][TD]=#FF5910]2[/TD][TD]=#002D72]Francisco Lindor (S)[/TD][TD]=#FF5910]ss[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]=#003263]3[/TD][TD]=#BA0021]Brandon Drury (R)[/TD][TD]=#003263]2b[/TD][TD]=#FF5910]3[/TD][TD]=#002D72]Jeff McNeil (L)[/TD][TD]=#FF5910]rf[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]=#003263]4[/TD][TD]=#BA0021]Mike Moustakas (L)[/TD][TD]=#003263]3b[/TD][TD]=#FF5910]4[/TD][TD]=#002D72]Pete Alonso (R)[/TD][TD]=#FF5910]1b[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]=#003263]5[/TD][TD]=#BA0021]Luis Rengifo (S)[/TD][TD]=#003263]ss[/TD][TD]=#FF5910]5[/TD][TD]=#002D72]Francisco Álvarez (R)[/TD][TD]=#FF5910]c[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]=#003263]6[/TD][TD]=#BA0021]Logan O'Hoppe (R)[/TD][TD]=#003263]c[/TD][TD]=#FF5910]6[/TD][TD]=#002D72]D.J. Stewart (L)[/TD][TD]=#FF5910]dh[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]=#003263]7[/TD][TD]=#BA0021]Hunter Renfroe (R)[/TD][TD]=#003263]rf[/TD][TD]=#FF5910]7[/TD][TD]=#002D72]Danny Mendick (R)[/TD][TD]=#FF5910]2b[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]=#003263]8[/TD][TD]=#BA0021]Mickey Moniak (L)[/TD][TD]=#003263]cf[/TD][TD]=#FF5910]8[/TD][TD]=#002D72]Jonathan Araúz (S)[/TD][TD]=#FF5910]3b[/TD][/TR][TR][TD]=#003263]9[/TD][TD]=#BA0021]Randal Grichuk (R)[/TD][TD]=#003263]lf[/TD][TD]=#FF5910]9[/TD][TD]=#002D72]Tim Locastro (R)[/TD][TD]=#FF5910]lf[/TD][/TR][TR][TH][/TH][TH][/TH][TH][/TH][TH][/TH][TH][/TH][TH][/TH][/TR][TR][TD]=#003263][/TD][TD]=#BA0021]Patrick Sandoval (L)[/TD][TD]=#003263]sp[/TD][TD]=#FF5910][/TD][TD]=#002D72]Kodai Senga (R)[/TD][TD]=#FF5910]sp[/TD][/TR][/TABLE]

It largely hearkens back to the role of "manager" evolving from the "captain" role. Captains were frequently player/managers like Frank Chance whose managing career began while they were playing regularly, and their eventual retirement came softly, when folks realized a guy hadn't put himself into the lineup in a few weeks. Maybe he was still available to pinch-hit, and maybe he did on occasion. But when he eventually didn't, by the start of the next season, he was understood to be retired, but as his role was only gradually changing, there was no moment that presented a particular impetus to change the clothes. Plus, he was still taking the field before games, to throw batting practice and hit fungoes and play Pepper and shit. The uniform was considered to be athletic wear, and there was no other generic athletic wear as there is now. Grey sweats were sort of a thing, but not really dignified outside of the gym. He was still sorta/kinda an athlete, and so the duds persisted. What's just as interesting as the uniform persisting as those factors grew less prominent is Connie Mack breaking with tradition all those years, and others not following him.

=kcmets post_id=135903 time=1692978417 user_id=53] Why was the Krane thread merged with the Doc/Straw thread?

=batmagadanleadoff post_id=135897 time=1692975155 user_id=68]Ohferchrissakes. Do we hafta have a variation of this discussion every other week?

That's responsive ownership, right there.

Then what "rule" are you referring to when you quote my post?

Edgy MD wrote: But then there's the (a) historical deposit of the legacy of the lost team, and ( the honor of Mrs. Payson's promise. That's my point. If someone's gonna constantly make exceptions to the rule, then there really is no rule. Which, of course, there isn't. Once again: Where do these supposed rules come from? I'm not sure what you're referring to. I didn't know there was anything that could be referred to as an established "rule," so I'm not sure how my statement makes your point. I wasn't responding to anything you had written, and I was, in fact, repeating myself. I'm not sure if you understand my statement is a reinforcement of some rule or an exception. I'm just trying to respond to centerfield's statement that he doesn't understand it.

I didn't argue that he should be in. Also, you're misquoting me.

But then there's the (a) historical deposit of the legacy of the lost team, ( the honor of Mrs. Payson's promise, and © historical precedent. The very greatest player in the world was a New York National League centerfielder, and with that team gone, along with it went the institution who would presumably be tasked with honoring and preserving that legacy. That's bad, and that legacy shouldn't die. The Mets don't have to be the institution that picks up that historical wrong and corrects it, but why not? It's a good thing that the echoes of Willie Mays' work as a New York Giant should resound somewhere in New York, and I feel a whole lot better and righter hearing it resound in Flushing, Queens than in The Bronx.

Also, when I become the Mets' potentate or majordomo or whatever, I'm going to instruct the Mets archivists to position the team as the keepers of the legacy of the 19th Century New York Metropolitans. Their manager Jim Mutrie had a .635 winning percentage with them and the Giants, and a display about him in the Mets museum wouldn't hurt nobody and would probably land him in the Hall of Fame, where he should have been enshrined long ago except nobody thinks about him.

Well, he was a Met. Beyond that, he transcended. Mostly, though, he was loved by a generation of New Yorkers, including Mrs. Payson, whose vision for the team was in part to be a deposit of the New York legacies of the two National League teams that departed, and so she made Mays a promise, and this was the team's way of honoring that promise. There's plenty of precedent. The Brewers retired Hank Aaron's number (pretty much upon his retirement in 1976, I think), and his legacy with them was pretty much as close to a perfect parallel with Mays' Mets legacy as there can be. You also have the Nets' retiring Julius Erving's number.

If Koosman was mediagenic or had a memorable nickname or something, there'd be an active movement to induct him and he'd at least have made a few veteran ballots by now. More than one lesser starting pitcher is walking around with a Hall of Fame pin on his lapel. Well, actually, most of those are dead, but still.

Mets should retire his number.

=Fman99 post_id=135844 time=1692914666 user_id=86] I think it's great. You're all nuts

It shouldn't be hard to fill in the topics.

Retire 2!

We asked. You've spoken.

Angel carnage.