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It's not even about the sailor's golden dream of Jason Bay getting back to his All Star productivity. We might be having a perfectly defensible season if Bay had merely stayed healthy and upped his game to the level of a not-particularly-good corner outfielder --- hit .257 with 12-15 homers.

I like the second one. Hope they're all at peace. "The First Mets You Meet in Heaven"?

Vic Sage wrote: ya see? that whole "distortion and misrepresentation" thing ain't so hard after all, is it? don't sell yourself short. What exactly were you suggesting about the Wilpons?

So, if I was to take the theme of this thread and start a blog, what should it be called? [list:2azr0nl9][*:2azr0nl9]"Mets by the Gravesite"?[/*:m:2azr0nl9] [*:2azr0nl9]"Monumental Mets"?[/*:m:2azr0nl9] [*:2azr0nl9]"Late of the Mets"?[/*:m:2azr0nl9] [*:2azr0nl9]Other?[/*:m:2azr0nl9][/list:u:2azr0nl9]

Officially promoted to Buffalo.

MLBS meets Bryce Harper, who likes to come to bat to the music of said MLBS. Harper chooses the occasion to dress as... an eighties wrestler or something.

So, stick in him in the middle of the order, Terry C.!

Vic Sage wrote: Perhaps we were offered a 40th prospect from a great system, who has high upside. Would that be sufficient to move Scott Hairston? Maybe not to you, but maybe to me, and maybe it would've been enough for Sandy in a vacuum, but not as an employee of the Wilpons. Just a hypothetical, you understand. So if he doesn't trade minor league talent for major league talent, it's because the Wilpons won't or can't spend money. If he doesn't trade major league talent for minor league talent, it's also because the Wilpons won't or can't spend money.

Vic Sage wrote: The rest is window dressing and some of which was your own personal mishaagas. No, there's actual value there throughout, to greater or lesser extents.

Maybe (and I do mean maybe) he's one of those athletic guys who just needs an intensive offseason of training to make him from a middle infielder to a confident and capable centerfielder turning his skills loose. Yount, Mantle, Murcer, um... some other guys. And maybe he's Keith Miiller. But it's not crazy that the right outfield tutor can make a man out of him. The outfield is still all new to him.

OK, one at a time. The Mets don't need to get to third place. They are in third place. Piazza wasn't a 30th round pick. He was a 62nd round pick. Lastly, neither I nor Alderson spoke of where people who were allegedly offered were drafted, but where they were supposedly objectively ranked as prospects within the system. Where Piazza ranked a year or two into his minor league career would be the real analogy. (Baseball America had him as #38 in all of baseball in 1993, so presumably top five in the Dodger system.) You're a lawyer, and you're trained to find hairline cracks in an argument and drive a chisel in them so they appear to be gaping wounds that demonstrate a foundation that cannot hold. I'm impressed by you and think you belong in a courtroom, not at a desk, and I wish you to be on my side when I'm in trouble, even if I hate when you play your skills against me. But you miss the basic thingie here, though, and that's that I'm not suggesting that keeping Hairston is some pre-eminent value that eclipses any other, only answering Gwreck in asserting that there is a value there to be weighed against others. Most of the factors I noted were clearly small, but real.

Well, if you believe Sandy, nobody was offering a prospect in their top 30, and even in the best system, it's hard to find a guy with more than a cup of coffee in his future that Baseball America (or whoever) hasn't noticed yet.

There's a any number of distortions and misrepresentations of what I actually wrote there, Vic. But thanks otherwise for your time in reading and otherwise thoughtful replies. OE: I'm not arguing that the choices were necessarily correct, only saying that there's any number of reasons supporting them, answering the Gwreck question: "If there's no reason to believe trades will get you to the playoffs this year, why are we keeping upcoming free agents with trade value?" They could certainly have made the wrong choice. That's true everyday. I'm saying the choice is reasonable and defensible.

I don't blame you, but he's nonetheless an option before them. You know, what craziness made the Mets' brain-trust sit down at a table one morning and agree "You know who's our 1990 centerfielder? Keith F. Miller, that's who!"

Certainly, any future for him would be better in left, still better at first, and best at designated hitter. He's strange and that strangeness really intrigues me. Maybe he's a psychological sponge, and on a team that's struggling, he becomes the biggest load, but on an an energetic team fighting like hell in the middle of a race, he becomes the biggest animal of them all. He just seems so damn uncomfortable in his skin.

Some interesting FA options, with some chances to go big. [list:2u4ygwxq][*:2u4ygwxq]Marlon Boid[/*:m:2u4ygwxq] [*:2u4ygwxq]Michael Bourn[/*:m:2u4ygwxq] [*:2u4ygwxq]Curtis Granderson (Yanks have $15 million option)[/*:m:2u4ygwxq] [*:2u4ygwxq]Josh Hamilton[/*:m:2u4ygwxq] [*:2u4ygwxq]Torii Hunter (not playing center in recent years)[/*:m:2u4ygwxq] [*:2u4ygwxq]Angel Pagan[/*:m:2u4ygwxq] [*:2u4ygwxq]B.J. Upton[/*:m:2u4ygwxq] [*:2u4ygwxq]Shane Victorino [/*:m:2u4ygwxq][/list:u:2u4ygwxq] A lot of legs that have seen more mileage than Torres', also. If I'm shopping, I probably focus on Bourn as maybe the best value/$. I have a pretty baseless suspicion that the Mets would like Upton.

Tehotty too.

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Torn between Niuewy and other, I went with "other" Any ideas?

The Hold Steady is the best band Brooklyn has produced during the latter-day hipster era. REM jangles from the guitars with more attack, and confident, insistent, but heartbroken vocals, straight out of Bob Mould's best days. They kick right through so much bullshit as a band. They're the 2012 Mets as a band. They finish in third this year, then they move up.

I hope Torres will be awesome.

Sorry to fail in fandom on this one. Two nights ago, I napped for two innings in the middle and woke up to game-tying homer by Scott Hairston. Last night I doubled down, napped for two innings, and woke up to David Wright whiffing with the bags juiced. I kept the game going but I faded off to sleep again. A sleep most heavy and inky.

Sorry to get ahead of the game on this question, it just strikes me that. while you kinda see where the Mets are going at several positions, the team has several options, all with upside and downside, for center, and the future there seems wide open.

Sam Hairston, first US-born African American on the White Sox, back in his days as a Cleveland Clown.

I'm not sure who's suggesting he's "more than what he is." But there are two ways to do that. One is to suggest he's too valuable to trade. Another is to suggest he's too valuable not to trade.

Well, somebody can turn two in this park. This insistence on working Valdy in at the top of the order is kinda frustrating.