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Collins appeared satisfied Valdespin's veteran teammates handled the issue -- or non-issue, in reality. He ignores clubhouse problems on his fantasy team.

Ceetar wrote: I'll reiterate, if the Mets decide to put Duda in left field next season, he'll look better defensively (on paper) because a lot of those UZR type stats are in relation to the other fielders at your position...like Melky Cabrera. Oh, no doubt. But part of getting Duda into left is getting Bay out of the way. And you can't get Bay out of the way if he gets occasional hits due to the indifferent play of... Melky Cabrera. So it's like circles within circles. But Duda will still have to hit.

Not that Deadspin has a conscience, but they really shouldn't reward gay-hatin' hackers.

At least call it defensive indifference. What an ex-Yankee this guy is. Hit .350 and don't give a shit.

MFS62 wrote: Vangelis? Missed that the first time around. Really LOL! Later Don't sell Vangey short. Before his Oscar-glomming days, he had a prior life as a progressive rocker, selling over 20 million with his Greek outfit Aphrodite's Child, who occasionally included Irene Pappas as a guest vocalist. After they broke up, he made a pile of crazy-assed electronic solo albums, before being recruited for the high-profile job off replacing mad scientist Rick Wakeman in Yes. They rehearsed for a month or two before he one day looked up at Jon Anderson and said, "Look, this isn't going to work --- I'm just too awesome." No small amount of Americans --- including my father --- enchanted by Van's piano soloing from Chariots of Fire, picked up a Vangelis solo album to serve as after-dinner music, only to have their minds blown by freaky-deaky electronica.

Frayed Knot wrote: Swan Swan H wrote: Tejada-SS Torres-CF Wright-3B Hairston-RF Murphy-1B Bay-LF Cedeno-2B Johnson-C Young-RHP A righties delighty - only Murphy failing to keep the LHB's batter box undisturbed during the top of each inning. Such a lineup didn't even seem possible until recently. Sub Turner in at first and it would be righier than a Nikki Haley rally.

Know your place, Rook

Good luck on that.

Other notes: [list:1ftay502][*:1ftay502]Currently thin on capable middle infielders, leaving Turner and Valdy as backup shortstops[/*:m:1ftay502] [*:1ftay502]Interesting to see whether Mejia presents as a starter or reliever at camp next year[/*:m:1ftay502] [*:1ftay502]Still lefty-heavy, and will be moreso after the shedding of Bay that seems to be now inevitable.[/*:m:1ftay502][/list:u:1ftay502]

Tried to think about who's in better shape for next year --- Nieuwenhuis or Duda. Things could change, but right now, I'd say Nieuwie.

Your Projected Opening Day 2012 Mets (Orange Indicates Players Have Options) Starting Pitchers 43 R.A. Dickey DoB: 10/29/1974 35 =#FF8000]Dillon Gee DoB: 4/28/1986 33 =#FF8000]Matt Harvey DoB: 3/27/1989 49 Jonathon Niese DoB: 10/27/1986 57 Johan Santana DoB: 3/13/1979Relief Pitchers 46 Manny Acosta DoB: 5/1/1981 27 =#FF8000]Pedro Beato DoB: 10/27/1986 66 =#FF8000]Josh Edgin DoB: 12/17/1986 48 Frank Francisco DoB: 9/11/1979 32 =#FF8000]Jennry Mejia DoB: 10/11/1989Relief Pitchers Catchers Infielders 39 Bobby Parnell DoB: 9/8/1984 62 Elvin Ramirez DoB: 10/10/1962 16 Rob Johnson DoB: 7/22/1982 29 =#FF8000]Ike Davis DoB: 3/22/1987 30 Josh Thole DoB: 4/28/1986Infielders 65 =#FF8000]Zach Lutz DoB: 6/3/1986 28 Daniel Murphy DoB: 4/1/1985 11 Ruben Tejada DoB: 10/27/1989 2 Justin Turner DoB: 11/23/1984 5 David Wright DoB: 12/20/1982Outfielders 23 =#FF8000]Mike Baxter DoB: 12/7/1984 44 Jason Bay DoB: 9/20/1978 9 =#FF8000]Kirk Nieuwenhuis DoB: 8/7/1987 56 Andr�s Torres DoB:1/26/1978 1 =#FF8000]Jordany Valdespin DoB: 12/23/1987 Also on 40-Man Roster Starting PitchersRelief Pitchers Catchers Infielders 75 =#FF8000]Jeurys Familia DoB: 10/10/1989 =#008000]In Buffalo 53 =#FF8000]Jeremy Hefner DoB: 3/11/1981 =#008000]In New York 73 =#FF8000]Robert Carson DoB: 1/23/1989 =#008000]In Buffalo 4 =#FF8000]Mike Nickeas DoB: 2/13/1983 =#008000]In Buffalo 71 =#FF8000]Wilmer Flores DoB: 8/6/1991 =#008000]In BinghamtonInfieldersOutfielders 74 =#FF8000]Reese Havens DoB: 10/20/1986 =#008000]In Binghamton 21 =#FF8000]Lucas Duda DoB: 2/3/1986 =#008000]In St. Buffalo 76 =#FF8000]Juan Lagares DoB: 3/17/1989 =#008000]In Binghamton 67 =#FF8000]Cesar Puello DoB: 4/1/1991 =#008000]In St. Lucie Potential Free Agents Starting PitchersRelief Pitchers 34 Mike Pelfrey DoB: 1/14/1984 55 Chris Young DoB: 5/25/1979 40 Tim Byrdak DoB: 10/37/1978 52 Ram�n Ram�rez DoB:8/31/1981 60 John Rauch DoB:9/27/1978InfieldersOutfielders 13 Ronny Cede�o DoB: 2/2/1983 12 Scott Hairston DoB: 5/25/1980 Coaching Staff ManagerBench CoachBatting CoachPitching CoachThird Base CoachFirst Base Coach 10 Terry Collins DoB: 5/27/1949 7 Bob Geren DoB: 9/22/1959 51 Dave Hudgens DoB: 12/5/1956 59 Dan Warthan DoB: 12/1/1952 18 Tim Teufel DoB: 7/7/1958 26 Tom Goodwin DoB: 8/27/1968Bullpen CoachBullpen CatchersBullpen CatchersHead TrainerAssistant Trainer Mascot 25 Ricky Bones DoB: 4/7/1969 78 Eric Langill DoB: 4/9/1979 79 Dave Racaniello DoB: 10/15/1981 =#BF8080]. Ray Ramirez =#BF8080]. =#BF8080]. Brian Chicklo =#BF8080]. =#BF8080]. Mr. Met =#BF8080]. .

Stay Foul was the title Fman's fourth LP --- the double live one.

If Thole did something that they advance the runners further, that's one thing. But it merely seems fair to allow the runners to remain on the base to which they were advancing uncontested (or indeed, quite possibly had reached) at the point of infraction. Justice, to my thinking, is thus served, and the universe set to rights.

Five-Spot has also had a seven-game streak stopped last night. But he's at .371 / .395 / .543 // .938 in Birdland. Just to reiterate. We set him free to activate Bay.

Oh, God, Justin! You don't know what you're doing!

Where did Predator rank?

Probably exactly what it is, but different reports seem have different levels of subtext, insinuating what kind of loose cannon Valdespin may or may not be. I just thought it was worth re-printing here, for the sake of the thread title, if nothing else.

Swan Swan H wrote: Swan Swan H wrote: I'm sure the rule is what it is, but why aren't the runners on 2nd and 3rd? That's where they would be were there no interference and Thole got thrown out at first. Because to remove the incentive for the offensive team to commit an intentional interference the remedy is that all runners return to their original bases. Think about a situation where the bases are loaded w/1 out, bottom 9, tie game. Batter hits what looks like an easy 6-4-3 DP but the runner on 1st decides to simply play free safety and "intercepts" the throw to 1st. Yeah he's already out, but without the 'runners return' rule his team wins the game. The umps, in that situation, also have the option to call the batter out when the interference is so obviously intentional - but you get the idea. If they call that a DP it's three out and no runs score anyway. It would never happen to end a game, but if it happens with none out the run from third should score whether it's intentional or not, since they didn't make a play on that runner. I'm not saying it's not the rule, just that I disagree with the reasoning behind it. Yeah, this scenario doesn't justify the rule. (And any runner who can advance far enough down the line to intercept a relay from second base to first but won't simply just safely touch first is insane beyond Jimmy Piersall levels and needs to be kept far away from baseball diamonds.) Calling the batter out and letting the runners accept their advance to the bases they'd have safely advanced to had the play been successfully and cleanly completed seems to make sense. The Mets followed up by making the philosophical point moot with a madly courageous double steal, but of course failed to score.

Different outlets are reporting this Valdespasm of anger with varying degrees of gravity, so, you know, make of it what you will. http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/02/in-mets-clubhouse-tension-over-valdespins-t-shirt/ In Mets Clubhouse, Tension Over Valdespin�s T-Shirt By ANDREW KEH SAN FRANCISCO � There was an awkward scene in the Mets clubhouse late on Wednesday, even as the team was celebrating a 2-1 win over the San Francisco Giants. Jordany Valdespin, the Mets rookie utility player, became angry when he returned to his locker to find the shirt he had worn to the ballpark torn and written upon. The sleeves of the white T-shirt were shredded. On the back of the shirt were the words �El Hombre� and on the front was a variation on the popular I Love New York design, reimagined as �NY Loves Valdy.� �That�s not funny,� Valdespin yelled at no one in particular. �I never play like that.� The prank was apparently meant to teach the rookie a lesson. The players were supposed to wear collared shirts to the ballpark. The tension then seemed to dissipate just as quickly as it arose. Valdespin ended up wearing the shirt out of the clubhouse, laughing with his teammates and stopping to pose for photographs they snapped with their cellphones.

Wow, what a series. That last game also featured three hit batsmen in one inning by Oliver Perez and Bazooka Joe Smith (and the Padres still didn't score!).

This game doesn't start for seven hours and we've already left four men on base.

I'm telling you, "Gay Dame" in the title is the kiss of death.

Swan Swan H wrote: Eli has several Whitesides, Buster is a bit of a Posey, Brett's parents thought he was quite a Pill, Justin is probably Christian, Pagan's no Angel, Gregor is not nearly as Blanco as Barry Zito, and all of Hensley is Clay, not just his feet. This needs to be celebrated.

Eleven of the last 15 Mets have reached. Two outs on Los Gigantes.

Frayed Knot wrote: Hey Terry, here's a thought for your upcoming 9th inning dilemma -- why not try the guy who's given up just 3 hits and 2 walks combined over his last 8+ innings, had a .115 BAA and 0.66 WHiP during July? And here's the good part ... he's already in the game and has thrown only 10 pitches. Oh, dear, that would be lovely. And they fail to score again.