batmagadanleadoff wrote: I'm with you on the part about Stearns being, historically, a greater Mets catcher than Lo Duca. But most of Stearns's all-star selections were questionable. In '77, Stearns was, at best, and generously, the 6th best NL catcher, behind Ted Simmons, Johnny Bench, Bob Boone, Gary Carter and Joe Ferguson. In 1980, he was perhaps the 5th best NL catcher, interchangeable with Tim Blackwell. The gap between Stearns and the top four, Carter, Tenace, Simmons and Bench was considerable. Stearns's 1979 selection was a joke, right? There were some excellent hitting catchers in '79, including the usual suspects Carter, Bench & Simmons and also Bob Boone and Gene Tenace. Well, I've been through 1979 (and Stearns had terrible early season stats that year), but by limiting your arguments against him to his modest offensive prowess, you tend ignore your own thesis in this thread. Managers loved his catching game like they loved Grote's. Herzog openly lusted after the man, and considered a battery of Neil Allen and John Stearns unstealable on --- a lust that blinded him so deeply that he made the most regrettable trade of his career years later by acquiring Allen. As for the Mets, they dealt Grote himself, explicitly stating that they didn't need two starting catchers, and so Grote was the odd man out. (This was the same interview, I believe, in which they damningly stated they would be in the market for a backup catcher because, while they liked Hodges, they liked him as a third stringer only.) Stearns and Carter ignited a brawl after a plate collision the first week of 1979. Can't remember who got the better of it. Managers remember that crap too.