Edgy MD

1971 catcher: Francisco "Frank" Estrada. �Viva la fe y el miedo! 1978-1981, 1990 catcher: Alex Trevino. Usted conoce a sus receptores. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Okay, so the second 2008 reliever is Ayala, then? El primero. �Pero bueno! Francisco Estrada_, C, 1971, Nacido en Navojoa �lex Trevi�o_____, C, 1978-1981, 1990, Nacido en Monterrey Armando Reynoso, SP, 1997-1998, Nacido en San Luis Potosi _______________, RP, 1997, Nacido en Ciudad Juarez _______________, RP, 1998-1999, Nacido en Tijuana _______________, OF 2004, Nacido en Ciudad Obregon Oliver Perez_____, SP, 2006-2010, Nacido en Culiacan Luis Ayala_______, RP, 2008, Nacido en Los Mochis _______________, RP, 2008, Nacido en Cuitlahuac _______________, RP, 2009-2010, Nacido en Hermosillo

�S�! �Usted es un gran Mexicano! _______________, C, 1971, Nacido en Navojoa _______________, C, 1978-1981, 1990, Nacido en Monterrey [u:urz1r3k5]Armando Reynoso[/u:urz1r3k5], SP, 1997-1998, Nacido en San Luis Potosi _______________, RP, 1997, Nacido en Ciudad Juarez _______________, RP, 1998-1999, Nacido en Tijuana _______________, OF 2004, Nacido en Ciudad Obregon [u:urz1r3k5]Oliver Perez[/u:urz1r3k5]_____, SP, 2006-2010, Nacido en Culiacan _______________, RP, 2008, Nacido en Los Mochis _______________, RP, 2008, Nacido en Cuitlahuac _______________, RP, 2009-2010, Nacido en Hermosillo

_______________, C, 1971, Nacido en Navojoa _______________, C, 1978-1981, 1990, Nacido en Monterrey _______________, SP, 1997-1998, Nacido en San Luis Potosi _______________, RP, 1997, Nacido en Ciudad Juarez _______________, RP, 1998-1999, Nacido en Tijuana _______________, OF 2004, Nacido en Ciudad Obregon [u:2tfxcehi]Oliver Perez[/u:2tfxcehi]______, SP, 2006-2010, Nacido en Culiacan _______________, RP, 2008, Nacido en Los Mochis _______________, RP, 2008, Nacido en Cuitlahuac _______________, RP, 2009-2010, Nacido en Hermosillo

In honor of El Cinco de Mayo, I invite you to name all Mets born en Los Estados Unidos Mexicanos. _______________, C, 1971, Nacido en Navojoa _______________, C, 1978-1981, 1990, Nacido en Monterrey _______________, SP, 1997-1998, Nacido en San Luis Potosi _______________, RP, 1997, Nacido en Ciudad Juarez _______________, RP, 1998-1999, Nacido en Tijuana _______________, OF 2004, Nacido en Ciudad Obregon _______________, SP, 2006-2010, Nacido en Culiacan _______________, RP, 2008, Nacido en Los Mochis _______________, RP, 2008, Nacido en Cuitlahuac _______________, RP, 2009-2010, Nacido en Hermosillo

Stupid.

We shell Cishek by the sea shore.

Sorry. You were right. You apparently did make something of that argument while I was sequestered in jury. Missed it.

Mets eat Cishek for tapas.

Farnie Nation rises again.

Farnie's beard gets way up there under his eyes.

Don't think I'd've played the infield in here. Turns a one-run hit into two. But Murphy makes the play.

What an (almost too) efficient double play.

In trouble now, however.

Let's chase him this inning. The magic edge teams need to appreciate: chasing the starter early in the first game of a series.

That slut!

Saw a preview of that last week, and it seemed weepingly bad. Probably one of the oldest and (and emptiest) comic themes there be.

my point is only that i'm not moving someone from the bullpen to the rotation, when a more deserving/better pitcher is in the rotation... And the alleged deservingness/betterness is certtainly debatable. ... based on the reliever's inability to get warm quickly. That's hardly the sum of the argument. He's thrown 10 innings, lets not let the crazy small sample size fool us. If you want to get technical about things he leads the team in NONE of those rate stats as the minimum number of innings to be considered the leader in any rate stat is 1 per team game. But since you actually want to use small sample sizes, lets not forget that he has walked 6 batters in 10 innings. that is a bad rate that will lead to many more runs when the hits start falling if he doesnt get it under control... Well, we also have the numbers closing out last year as noted above. We also have his extensive history as a starter. When do you get "carried away"? I tried to ask that above and got no answer Is recognizing any of things about his performance truly getting "carried away"? Or is advocating for his release getting carried away? And please note that WHIP includes walks. So it has more than come out in the wash. this makes no sense Of course it does. It's in plain declarative prose with one sentence leading to another and building an argument on a rational basis of facts. ...do you want examples of all the guys who WERE given more playing time but didn't do well? You're welcome to do that, as part of your argument, as you advocate for this player's release. I'm certainly not suggesting success is guaranteed. Are you? my point/argument is that, right now, the full picture for Mejia(Mejia's potential value to both the present and future of the team at 24 years old, Mejia's past performance, Mejia's performance so far this year) looks to me like continuing to use him in the rotation instead of Matsuzaka is the right move for the Mets, with the higher upside. Sure, but that doesn't mean you get to distort anybody else's argument, or pretend that the case at hand isn't based on real data, or advocate for the senseless release of a successful pitcher just to underscore yourself. Let's take another retread. A guy named Seaver. Let's take another young pitcher with an upside trying to establish himself in the rotation. A guy named Aguilera. Back in 1985, the Mets were hanging tight in a pennant race, and Frank Cashen sat down next to Davey Johnson and said, "I've got a chance to get Seaver." Johnson saw Cashen trying to correct his own public relations gaffe of fumbling away Seaver after the 1983 Season, and wanted no part of the deal. He had his rotation in place for next year and beyond. Five handsome and talented pitchers working on their game and their mullets ready to be the envy of baseball for years. I don't know what the White Sox were asking for Seaver. Maybe a lot, but... Seaver would go 7-4 / 3.21 in 101 innings in a hitter's park the second half of 1985. Aguilera, kept in the rotation until the end of the decade would never fully establish himself as a starter. Aguilera, upon moving to the pen in 1990 with another team not so caught up in their vision, but trusting the evidence before them, blossomed into an All-Star. He, in fact, made three all-star teams as a reliever, and his mullet was beautiful. Those Seaver-less 1985 Mets won 98 games and finished three games out of first place. Their glaring weakness, besides secondbase against lefties, was widely considered to be depth in the pen. Doug Sisk, so effective at keeping the ball down previous three years, was trying to pitch through an elbow injury and brought a can of gas with him every time he went out there. He is widely derided as the reason the team lost 1985. Seaver in the rotation, and Aguilera in the pen might have been the difference that season, and possibly Johnson (excellent, but not perfect) had a commitment to one version of the future that blinded him to the needs and opportunities of the present in the case of 1985. If Seaver broke down in the future, as he did in 1986, Agulera wasn't going anywhere and he might have gotten another crack at the rotation with a little bit of experience and perspective behind him. LESSONS LEARNED! So might your commitment to one version of the future blind you to the needs and opportunities of the present in this case. Just maybe.

Nymr83 wrote: I'd rather not see another old guy who may not pitch any better... Well, of course he may not pitch any better. Then again, he may. Nothing is guaranteed. That's why smart people are asked to make tough decisions. Nymr83 wrote: ... get "rewarded" for being unable to warm up quicker. The notion isn't to reward him for not warming up quicker. The notion is to recognize that he's been effective and to seek to improve the team, possibly by giving him a starting role. Nymr83 wrote: If Matsuzaka can't warm up effectively as a reliever then CUT him.... Do you realize he leads the team in ERA? WHIP? K/9? H/9? Cutting him would rightfully be a scandal. ...he's not important enough to displace Mejia under the circumstances Neither was the likes of R.A. Dickey, until he was. At what point do you recognize that a retread playing well has become an asset?

Philadelphia, Denver, Miami. Who made this schedule? Steve Miller?

When does Gee pitch next?

Bring your hook, Terry.

Looks like the Roxx have Turk Wendell '99 on the mound.

That's the home field advantage there. The Rocks hit one 410+ feet to dead center, the baserunner on first is canny enough to tag and go to second. The Mets hit one there, Lagares is past second with his jaw dropped and has to hustle back to first.

Culberson seems like a guy who doesn't pick up the curve at all. Of all the guys in this lineup to have let beat you.

I'd totally consider switching them --- but not with the notion that Mejia has necessarily failed or anything. Matsuzaka has been effective as a long reliever, but shown a challenge with warming up. His history and success is as a starter. Independent of everything else, I'd totally consider giving that guy a chance to start if a position became open. Mejia has done a good job, but shown a propensity to fail the third time through the order. I'd totally consider using that guy as a reliever, if somebody else was making a strong statement to be considered for the rotation. Oh? Both these things have happened at once? Let's give it shot. It certainly doesn't mean the end of the line for Mejia. It may just mean a vacation to work on some stuff, or it may mean the start of a new and glorious career track. Still not sure how Terry got caught with his pants down yesterday.