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Frayed Knot wrote: AAAA? That 8th inning would have needed six fewer screw-ups just to get it up to the level of Single-A Well, I didn't mean to suggest that that inning, and the concentration of errors, is characteristic of high minor league play, only that those errors weren't characteristic of major leaguers --- who one would espect to show more grace under pressure. Maybe they need another vet or two. Some dick like Jayson Werth or somebody. Someone who comes in like Keith Hernandez or Donn Clendenon who sets a higher standard, so that when the bouncer comes back to Familia, he calmly knows what to do with it rather than panicking and spiking it, because he's practiced the play a thousand times before. Maybe it's just the coaching. Maybe a guy with more of a history as a disciplined and skilled fielder than Tim Teufel should be working with them. Maybe I have no clue.
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Perhaps, but macho sentiment, rather than cold hard numbers, often carry the day when the Carter trade is celebrated.
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I don't understand any animosity toward Dennis Lamp. What does he have to do with anything? So, help me out. What gets knocked out of the top ten to make room for Cone? Drafting Dykstra, dealing for Carter, or dealing for Ojeda?
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I think the the Viola and Samuel deals go on his ledger. Step back or no, one has to be certain he ultimately signed off. Regarding the switching of gears, for whatever reason, the team's drafts stopped being fruitful, and most of the fruit they garnered was dealt off before it was ripe, which speeded the decline of the orchard's output. The Viola trade gets the honorable mention because, whatever I thought of it, it gave the Mets their last 20-win season for a while, but WAR-for-WAR, yeah, the Mets lost. Regarding the brief interregnum he had in the late 1998, it was remarkably productive --- or "productive." Apart from trading Rojas for Bonilla, he re-signed Masato Yoshii for two years. There was one other deal he set in motion, but was completed a day or two after Phillips returned. I'm forgetting what that was right now, though. Dealing Ed Hearn for David Cone should be in there. Indeed. I subsequently acknowledged that oversight.
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It's hard to judge the impact of draft decisions, because there is so much unknown that it's hard to reason out how much missing a future star who went 29 picks later was poor judgment or poor luck. I mean... Al Harazin's top 62 misses: [list:ewbzbphi]1. Passing on Mike Piazza in the first round of the 1992 draft. 2. Passing on Mike Piazza in the second round of the 1992 draft. 3. Passing on Mike Piazza in the third round of the 1992 draft. ... 62. Passing on Mike Piazza in the 62nd round of the 1992 draft.[/list:u:ewbzbphi] More broadly, that draft was a disaster. The Mets had 50 picks, including three first rounders, and walked away with all of two guys who saw big league time --- overall-number-niner Preston Wilson, and 20th rounder Allen McDill, who spent 38 games getting battered for the Royals and Red Sox.
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I didn't include the Viola trade on the top ten exactly for that whiff of desperation. Criminally and totally overlooked by me? Dealing Rick Anderson, Mauro Gozzo and Ed Hearn for David Cone and Chris Jelic. That's top-three-or-four stuff right there. List of misses has to include not protecting Tom Seaver. (Sentiment aside, it may have cost them 1985.) As far as Clemens (negative sentiment aside), the big miss probably wasn't so much not drafting him in 1983, but rather drafting and not signing him in 1981. Same can be said for 1984, pulling out of pre-draft negotiations with Mark McGwire and going instead for Shawn Abner.
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It has been said that the difference between the AAAA-ers and MLB-ers is that the former do things right 90% of the time and the latter 99% of the time. That eighth inning was a AAAA inning.
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Off Top of Mongo's Head: Drafting and signing Dwight Gooden. Dealing Bob Bailor and Carlos Diaz for Sid Fernandez and Ross Jones. Drafting and signing Darryl Strawberry. Dealing Neil Allen and Rick Ownbey for Keith Hernandez. Trading Lee Mazzilli for Ron Darling and Walt Terrell. Trading Walt Terrell for Howard Johnson. Hiring Davey Johnson. Drafting Len Dykstra. Trading Hubie Brooks, Mike Fitzgerald, Herm Winningham and Floyd Youmans for Gary Carter. Trading John Christensen, Wes Gardner, Calvin Schiraldi and LaSchelle Tarver for Bob Ojeda, Chris Bayer, Tom McCarthy, and John Mitchell. Honorable Mentions: Drafting Roger McDowell. Drafting Dave Magadan. Hiring Tim McCarver. Trading Rick Aguilera, Tim Drummond, Kevin Tapani, David West, and Jack Savage for Frank Viola.
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I think they're talking about the ball Campbell muffed. That was thrown to him. The DP ball was thrown to him also.
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I didn't see this game on the Mets' giveaway schedule.
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Abreu swung at ball four.
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Fartspace.
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A lot of weird.
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Bloody...
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Wheeler all dancy, but he gets through the fuhst.
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Gotta sweep to hit the pole strongly.
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I think perhaps too much is made of failure of the Mets to repeat can linked to the team emphasizing character too much. The argument also is too often used to rope in Fred Wilpon as scapegoat.
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There was also, like, the teambuidling we didn't see from 1980-1983, as much as what we saw from 1984-1986. Gooden, for instance, was selected over a handful of more highly regarded prospects, and focused as folks were on the development of Strawberry, nobody thought jack about Dwight until he struck out 300 batters in his second pro season. Len Dykstra was a 13th-rounder.
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Wearing a bowtie to the office tomorrow in his honor.
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Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Since the team's main need is offense, and Murphy is one of our best offensive players, what would you hope to get back by trading him? Talent. If the package they like isn't there, they won't move him. But I certainly think they could.
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I'm going to guess David Wright isn't Wally Pipp.
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The Met have nine guys lined up to start next season. Colon will be trade bait until the last day of his contract. It's hard to see down the road.
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Not sure I had ever heard of the Royal Giants before today. A lot of Negro League teams had a variation on "Giants." Grandy really rocked his kit. He looks like a ballplayer in any uniform. Pirates really got upstaged, hosting the Mets on a throwback uniform day, with the Mets wearing customized helmets, but not the Yanks. Mets sure benefited in the late innings from having Lagares in center with his go-get-it skills. Would be a nice little mercy to escape with a split.
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metirish wrote: Agree with Vic, Keith at times sounds like a neanderthal , wasn't that the same night he was waxing lyrical about real men John Wayne, Lee Marvin and Eastwood? , or was that the game he was raving about the broad shoulders and huge legs on Lou Gehrig? Here comes Lee Marvin. He's always drunk and violent.
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IGT, 6/26, Mets @ Pittsburgh, Vic Black's Homecoming
Edgy MD replied to Edgy MD's topic in Archived Game Threads
Trying to figure out if Ike kept his foot on the baggie there.
