Frayed Knot

Elster88 wrote: Centerfield wrote: Utley ran right past the bag and straight at Tejada. Should have been a double play. Yup. An lead with the shoulder There would have been nothing wrong with the slide had it been before the base. IOW, the slide itself was fine, it was just the timing/placement of it.

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Elster88 wrote: I was just wondering didn't they make it illegal to crash into the catcher Yes because it hurt Fan Favorite Buster Posey. I don;t think Tejada is marketable enough to pass rules to protect him but ts so obvious that play was bullshit. We got fucked over by every rule in the book tonight (plus Addison Reed). Not scoring after the 2nd inning didn't help matters either.

Shitty night for David: DP - K - DP - Pop-out

Get Cespedes to the dish as the tying run, David.

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Fractured fibula is the report on Ruben. Watching the replay it's hard to see how he broke his leg; he landed on his back. The contact w/Utley, not with the ground.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Still haven't heard a good explanation of this, from MLB or any of its online apologists. It's basically make-shit-up rulefakery. Ronnie explained it via MLB and it was pretty much what I had guessed: - that Tejada never touched the base which both negates the neighborhood play and ,makes Utley safe - that the fact the umps told Utley he was out is the reason he went to the dugout. they then hypothesize that he would have touched up if the "correct" call was made - the late slide is probably judgement and therefore not reviewable

Cuz I'd be shocked if we haven't seen the last of Tejada until April. And, if so, who would it be? Has to be someone who can cover SS

Oh, they're able to respond. Fastball in Adrian Gonzalez's ribs the next time he sets foot in the batter's box. Robles could do it, half the league already hates him.

The thing about that play is that it could have occurred exactly as it did and been called: - as no outs (the way it was) - as one out (the original call) - or as two outs (had Utley been flagged for an illegal slide and the batter/runner been thumbed on account of it)

Elster88 wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: I think the reasoning here is that Utley ran off the field because he was called out, and now that because the call was reversed he can't be penalized for it. But they've got to be fucking kidding me if they're going to reverse it on any of the angles that we saw. But the problem is that he didn't run off the field abandoning the base. He never attained it. But the logic (I'm guessing) is that if the play was "correctly" called in the first place that Utley would have touched up instead of leaving the field like he was told. It's just another example of the fallacy that replay can retroactively fix incorrect calls to what supposed to happen. They're saying this too. Of course, if he hadn't called him out Tejada might have crawled over there and tagged him out. Which is why I threw in the second sentence in my reply. -- "It's just another example of the fallacy that replay can retroactively fix incorrect calls to what [was] supposed to happen."

Centerfield wrote: I thought you could not challenge the neighborhood play. Apparently breaking contact with the base and never making contact in the first place (as determined by high-powered microscope) aren't the same thing.

Edgy MD wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: I think the reasoning here is that Utley ran off the field because he was called out, and now that because the call was reversed he can't be penalized for it. But they've got to be fucking kidding me if they're going to reverse it on any of the angles that we saw. But the problem is that he didn't run off the field abandoning the base. He never attained it. But the logic (I'm guessing) is that if the play was "correctly" called in the first place that Utley would have touched up instead of leaving the field like he was told. It's just another example of the fallacy that replay can retroactively fix incorrect calls to what supposed to happen.

I hope someone "accidentally" tags Utley out with their spikes in his neck.

I think the reasoning here is that Utley ran off the field because he was called out, and now that because the call was reversed he can't be penalized for it. But they've got to be fucking kidding me if they're going to reverse it on any of the angles that we saw.

YOU GOTTA BE FUCKING KIDDING!!!!

Nothing wrong with a take-out slide, but that Utley's slide didn't start until he was past the base is the part of it that's not kosher. Don't think they were turning the DP anyway but the ump can flag the runner at 1st on account of the slide - but they're obviously not going to do that now.

Fman99 wrote: How does any self respecting baseball fan spend three hours waving a towel in a circle? There should be a volunteer tying those towels into nooses. I was thinking after watching several of these parks at playoff time that I really hope Eff & Jeff don't go into their copy-cat routine and think they suddenly need to order a few gross of towels by Monday.

Thor has thrown some silver bullets past Seager tonight.

Mets Guy in Michigan wrote: Justin Turner looks ridiculous. You anti-Reddite!!

Somebody had a quiz last night about HR-ing in your first post-season game. Well the answer to that question has just been updated.

Playing the part of Daniel Murphy tonight will be Yoenis Cespedes

Leadoff man on AND made him throw a buncha pitches first.

Ballplayers (both current and ex-) seem to buy into the 'they need to have their roles' thing a lot more than us fans do, so, no, it doesn't particularly surprise me that Keith & Nelson are rubber-stamping the idea. I suspect players also tend towards looking at the longer view (Clippard has been better over the last two seasons or so) vs fans who gravitate to the shorter (how did he do yesterday?!?!)

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I don't think I knew that neither Donn Clendenon, Ron Swoboda, nor Ed Charles appeared at all in the 1969 NLCS. That's a bit freaky, especially seeing as how Clendenon is long talked about being the guy who got them there and that Swoboda had played pretty much full time down the stretch during August & September (30 of his 52 RBIs that year came after Aug 1). But the Braves threw a bunch of right-handers at us and Gil loved him some platooning. Plus there wasn't a lot of PH-ing or relieving: just because your staff gives up 15 runs in 3 games is no reason to use more than three guys out of the pen during the series (McGraw, Ryan, and Taylor twice). 1) Tommie Agee: 10/4/1969 2) Wayne Garrett: 10/4/1969 3) Cleon Jones: 10/4/1969 4) Tom Seaver: 10/4/1969 5) Jerry Grote: 10/4/1969 6) Ed Kranepool: 10/4/1969 7) Ken Boswell: 10/4/1969 8) Bud Harrelson: 10/4/1969 9) Art Shamsky: 10/4/1969 10) Al Weis: 10/4/1969 11) J. C. Martin: 10/4/1969 12) Ron Taylor: 10/4/1969 13) Rod Gaspar: 10/4/1969 14) Jerry Koosman: 10/5/1969 15) Tug McGraw: 10/5/1969 16) Gary Gentry: 10/6/1969 17) Nolan Ryan: 10/6/1969 18) Donn Clendenon: 10/11/1969 19) Ron Swoboda: 10/11/1969 20) Ed Charles: 10/11/1969 21) Duffy Dyer: 10/11/1969 22) Don Cardwell: 10/11/1969 23) Felix Millan: 10/6/1973 24) Rusty Staub: 10/6/1973 25) John Milner: 10/6/1973 26) Don Hahn: 10/6/1973 27) Jon Matlack: 10/7/1973 28) George Stone: 10/9/1973 29) Harry Parker: 10/9/1973 30) Willie Mays: 10/10/1973 31) Ron Hodges: 10/13/1973 32) Ted Martinez: 10/13/1973 33) Jim Beauchamp: 10/13/1973 34) Ray Sadecki: 10/14/1973 35) George Theodore: 10/14/1973 And, wow, did Yogi really pull Rusty with the tying run on base to go to Jim Beauchamp when Oakland pulled Rollie Fingers in favor of (LHP) Darold Knowles?!? (Game 1, 9th inning, pr Teddy Martinez on 1st, Mets down 2-1). In the rearview that seems a bit nutty (no offense meant to the late JB) but don't remember if it was also viewed that way at the time. Maybe it was a concession to Rusty's shoulder. 1986-10-08 Lenny Dykstra 1986-10-08 Wally Backman 1986-10-08 Keith Hernandez 1986-10-08 Gary Carter 1986-10-08 Darryl Strawberry 1986-10-08 Mookie Wilson 1986-10-08 Ray Knight 1986-10-08 Jesse Orosco 1986-10-08 Rafael Santana 1986-10-08 Lee Mazzilli 1986-10-08 Dwight Gooden 1986-10-08 Kevin Elster 1986-10-08 Danny Heep 1986-10-09 Bob Ojeda 1986-10-11 Kevin Mitchell 1986-10-11 Tim Teufel 1986-10-11 Rick Aguilera 1986-10-11 Ron Darling 1986-10-12 Doug Sisk 1986-10-12 Sid Fernandez 1986-10-12 Howard Johnson 1986-10-12 Roger McDowell 1988-10-04 Randy Myers 1988-10-04 Gregg Jefferies 1988-10-04 Kevin McReynolds 1988-10-05 Terry Leach 1988-10-05 David Cone 1988-10-05 Mackey Sasser 1988-10-08 Dave Magadan 1999-10-05 Rickey Henderson 1999-10-05 Armando Benitez 1999-10-05 Edgardo Alfonzo 1999-10-05 John Olerud 1999-10-05 Mike Piazza 1999-10-05 Darryl Hamilton 1999-10-05 Turk Wendell 1999-10-05 Benny Agbayani 1999-10-05 Robin Ventura 1999-10-05 Roger Cede�o 1999-10-05 Dennis Cook 1999-10-05 Shawon Dunston 1999-10-05 Rey Ord��ez 1999-10-05 Masato Yoshii 1999-10-05 Melvin Mora 1999-10-06 John Franco 1999-10-06 Bobby Bonilla 1999-10-06 Todd Pratt 1999-10-06 Pat Mahomes 1999-10-06 Octavio Dotel 1999-10-06 Kenny Rogers 1999-10-08 Orel Hershiser 1999-10-08 Rick Reed 1999-10-09 Matt Franco 1999-10-09 Al Leiter 2000-10-04 Joe McEwing 2000-10-04 Rick White 2000-10-04 Lenny Harris 2000-10-04 Jay Payton 2000-10-04 Todd Zeile 2000-10-04 Derek Bell 2000-10-04 Glendon Rusch 2000-10-04 Mike Bordick 2000-10-04 Timo Perez 2000-10-04 Mike Hampton 2000-10-07 Kurt Abbott 2000-10-08 Bobby Jones 2000-10-11 Bubba Trammell 2006-10-04 Jos� Reyes 2006-10-04 Paul Lo Duca 2006-10-04 Carlos Beltran 2006-10-04 Carlos Delgado 2006-10-04 David Wright 2006-10-04 Billy Wagner 2006-10-04 Cliff Floyd 2006-10-04 Aaron Heilman 2006-10-04 Shawn Green 2006-10-04 Jos� Valentin 2006-10-04 John Maine 2006-10-04 Michael Tucker 2006-10-04 Chad Bradford 2006-10-04 Guillermo Mota 2006-10-04 Pedro Feliciano 2006-10-04 Endy Chavez 2006-10-05 Tom Glavine 2006-10-05 Julio Franco 2006-10-07 Chris Woodward 2006-10-07 Darren Oliver 2006-10-07 Steve Trachsel 2006-10-13 Roberto Hernandez 2006-10-13 Anderson Hernandez 2006-10-15 Oliver Perez 127) Curtis Granderson: 10/9/2015 128) Yoenis Cespedes: 10/9/2015 129) Daniel Murphy: 10/9/2015 130) Travis d'Arnaud: 10/9/2015 131) Lucas Duda: 10/9/2015 132) Michael Cuddyer: 10/9/2015 133) Ruben Tejada: 10/9/2015 134) Jacob deGrom: 10/9/2015 135) Juan Lagares: 10/9/2015 136) Tyler Clippard: 10/9/2015 137) Jeurys Familia: 10/9/2015 138) Kelly Johnson: 10/9/2015

Terry moves ahead of Casey Stengel, Wes Westrum, Salty Parker, Roy McMillan, Joe Frazier, Joe Torre, George Bamburger, Frank Howard, Bud Harrelson, Mike Cubbage, Jeff Torborg, Dallas Green, Art Howe, and Jerry Manuel in post-season games won as a NYM manager.