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Managers in good standing rarely go into the final year of their contract left hanging on whether or not they'll go beyond that year - if for no other reason then for the message it sends to the players - and I can't imagine that Willie's not in good standing at this point. I'd be shocked if he doesn't get a 3-year deal this winter and I couldn't care less what the dollar figures are.
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1970RANKINGSPOINTSPLAYER30Tom Seaver29Jerry Koosman28Tommie Agee27Donn Clendenon26Tug McGraw25Jim McAndrew24Gary Gentry23Nolan Ryan22Bud Harrelson21Cleon Jones20Ray Sadecki19Ron Taylor18Wayne Garrett17Art Shamsky16Jerry Grote15Ken Boswell14Danny Frisella13Ron Swoboda12Joe Foy11Ken Singleton10Dave Marshall9Duffy Dyer8Al Weis7Mike Jorgenen6Ron Herbal5Cal Koonce4Don Cardwell3Rich Folkers2Tim Foli1Teddy Martinez
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1969RANKINGSPOINTSPLAYER30Tom Seaver29Jerry Koosman28Cleon Jones27Tommie Agee26Gary Gentry25Tug McGraw24Jerry Grote23Art Shamsky22Ron Swoboda21Donn Clendenon20Bud Harrelson19Don Cardwell18Ron Taylor17Jim McAndrew16Nolan Ryan15Ken Boswell14Al Weis13Ed Kranepool12Cal Koonce11Wayne Garrett10Jack DiLauro9Rod Gaspar8Bobby Pfeil7J.C. Martin6Ed Charles5Amos Otis4Duffy Dyer3Al Jackson2Kevin Collins1Jim Gosger
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1968 RankingsPOINTSPLAYER30Jerry Koosman29Tom Seaver28Cleon Jones27Ed Charles26Jerry Grote25Ron Swoboda24Don Cardwell23Dick Selma22Art Shamsky21Cal Koonce20Ron Taylor19Larry Stahl18Jim McAndrew17Nolan Ryan16Ken Boswell15J. C. Martin14Bud Harrelson13Ed Kranepool12Tommie Agee11Greg Goossen10Al Jackson9Don Bosch8Kevin Collins7Dan Frisella6Phil Linz5Al Weis4Don Shaw3Bill Short2Jerry Buchek1Les Rohr
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A discussion about whether writers should continue to vote Seems that a few papers - Los Angeles Times, Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Baltimore Sun, South Florida Sun-Sentinel, Palm Beach Post - have, in the last few years, joined long-time boycotters NYTimes & Washington Post in dropping out of the process.
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1967RANKINGSPOINTSPLAYER30Tom Seaver29Tommy Davis28Ron Swoboda27Ed Kranepool26Jack Fisher25Bud Harrelson24Jerry Grote23Cleon Jones22Bob Johnson21Jerry Buchek20Ron Taylor19Dick Selma18Ed Charles17Tommie Reynolds16Don Cardwell15Dan Frisella14Don Hendley13Bob Shaw12Don Shaw11Hal Reniff10Ken Boyer9Larry Stahl8Cal Koonce7John Sullivan6Bill Denehy5Al Luplow4Don Bosch3Greg Goossen2Bob Heise1Amos Otis
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Edgy DC wrote:You've become a tablemaking fool.Well, in addition to making them cute and readable, they actually have a couple of purposes to them as I attempt to restore my spreadsheet that was lost during a computer crash and burn a while ago.And YOU have two jobs to do as I post these:1) check my results to make sure they jibe with what you have2) do 2003 & 2004. There's no thread for '04 (prolly lost in transition) and I don't have the final results of either year
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1966RANKINGSPOINTSPLAYER30Cleon Jones29Ken Boyer27.5Dennis Ribant27.5Jack Fisher26Ed Kranepool25Ron Hunt24Bob Shaw23Ed Bressoud22Ron Swoboda21Al Luplow20Jack Hamilton19Bob Friend18Dick Selma17Larry Elliot16Jerry Grote15Chuck Hiller14Bill Hepler13Jim Hickman12Rob Gardner11Billy Murphy10Tug McGraw9Bud Harrelson8Gerry Arrigo7Roy McMillan6Larry Bearnarth5Darrell Sutherland4Johnny Lewis3Dick Stuart2Dave Eilers1Dick Rusteck
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1965 RankingsPOINTSPLAYER30Johnny Lewis29Ron Swoboda28Jim Hickman27Ed Kranepool26Charley Smith25Roy McMillan24Joe Christopher23Jack Fisher22Al Jackson21Chuck Hiller20Tug McGraw19Bobby Klaus18Ron Hunt17Galen Cisco16Warren Spahn15Chris Cannizzaro14Gary Kroll13Gordie Richardson12Larry Bearnarth11Darrell Sutherland10Jesse Gonder9John Stephenson8Billy Cowen7Hawk Taylor6Tom Parsons5Dan Napolean4Larry Miller3Jim Bethke2Gary Kolb1Dennis Ribant
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Well that's kinda the point. Someone saying he's a homer, or that his votes tend to indicate he is, is one thing. Having the guy come out and say; 'oh yeah, I rearrange my votes according to what city the guy plays in ... do it all the time!', is quite another. Look, I can't justify voting Jeter 6th either, but with approx 200 ballots cast over the course of 'awards season' (ROY, MOY, CY, MVP x 2 leagues) it would be a miracle if there weren't a handful of votes you or I disagreed with. Doesn't necc follow that those were dishonest. It's also worth noting that the only way this guy's ballot could have given us a different winner is if he not only moved Jeter up to 1st but also dropped Morneau down to 5th or 6th (just moving Jeter up wouldn't have been enough) which would have put his ballot just as out of whack with the rest of his bretheren.
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The guy who put Jeter 6th was one of the Chicago writers but it's not the ex-pitcher. Also, I'd love to hear the basis for the claim that he's "an admitted homer" - as if a writer who's given a vote then goes and publicly states that he makes a regular habit of tainting his ballot.
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1964RANKINGSPOINTSPLAYER30Joe Christopher29Ron Hunt28Ed Kranepool27Tracy Stallard26Jim Hickman25Charley Smith24Bill Wakefield23Jesse Gonder22Al Jackson21Galen Cisco20Jack Fisher19Willard Hunter18George Altman17Larry Elliot16Larry Bearnearth15Roy McMillan14Bobby Klaus13Dennis Ribant12Frank Lary11Chris Cannizzaro10Ron Locke9Hawke Taylor8Frank Thomas7Rod Kanehl6Tom Sturdivant5Tim Harkness4Amado Samuel3Dick Smith2Carl Willey1Gary Kroll
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]i really feel that half the voters don't know whats going on outside their own city (and maybe its biggest rival(s).) they should let the managers or fellow players vote, if the players got it wrong i'd be more able to stomach it. The individual votes aren't traditionally released so it's tough to claim that some sort of regional bias is the reason behind bad votes. And the managers vote on the 'Gold Glove' awards and those usually turn out worse than anything the writers are responsible for.
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Mathews is all wet on this one. Maybe he can find us some examples where 8-year deals for players who will be 31 before the term even starts were good ideas? ARod was 25 when his lenghty deal started; Jeter was 27 for his, Helton 26 & Manny 28. Pedro was 26 when he signed w/Boston and Beltran not yet 28 on his NYM debut. Soriano turns 31 in January. Oh yeah, he's also not as good as any of the above.
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1963 RankingsPOINTSPLAYER30Ron Hunt29Carl Willey28Roger Craig27Jim Hickman26Al Jackson25Duke Snider24Frank Thomas23Larry Bearnarth22Tim Harkness21Galen Cisco20Tracy Stallard19Charlie Neal18Jay Hook17Al Moran16Rod Kanehl15Jim Hicks14Ed Kranepool13Choo Choo Coleman12Grover Powell11Jesse Gonder10Joe Christopher9Ken McKenzie8Duke Carmel7Pumpsie Green6Don Rowe5Jimmy Piersall4Chico Fernandez3Hawk Taylor2Cliff Cook1Norm Sherry
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Iubitul wrote: Why do I find this ironic and funny? For the same reason as I do.
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The 10-year rule as a BBWA member is the minimum to get an [u:cfc5f6ecc3]HoF[/u:cfc5f6ecc3] ballot. Once a writer has obtained that they don't lose it - although some choose to stop voting if they no longer feel they follow the sport closely enough. For the yearly awards I'm sure a seniority thing plays into it but I don't know of any strict cut-off date. The various BBW chapters distribute them in each city among the regular beat and all-purpose baseball writers on a rotating basis; ergo an overall columnist like Lupica wouldn't be in that rotation but strictly baseball guys like Klapisch, Madden, Heyman, etc., would even though they don't cover just one team specifically.
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The votes rotate via some method governed by the BBWA (Baseball writers assoc). Especially in a big city like NYC where there are more writers than awards, a guy from the Post might get the NL ROY vote, while the NYDN may get the AL CY, the Bergen Record could get one of the MVPs, etc. The NYTimes doesn't allow their guys to vote - trying to avoid even the appearance of conflict of interest.
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Morneau,Morneau ,Morneau ,Justin Morneau
Frayed Knot replied to metirish's topic in New York Mets Talk
It's kinda like the Bobby Thompson call. Russ Hodges was the Giants announcer and he became famous for his somewhat out of control call on the 'Shot Heard Round the World'. Meanwhile, Dodger announcer Red Barber - who had the longer and more distinguished career and came from the school of; 'just report the action, don't become part of it' - gave a much more sober 'just the facts ma'am' type of call which has been largely lost to history. Barber reportedly hated Hodges's take on it and wasn't at all pleased that the "less professional" one became the signature soundtrack. -
Morneau,Morneau ,Morneau ,Justin Morneau
Frayed Knot replied to metirish's topic in New York Mets Talk
Funny thing about that call is that when Howie went on the radio the next morning to talk about the game (he was still working for FAN at the time - tho this was as a guest on someone else's show) he had just woken up and so was hearing his own call for the first time. His first reaction was to be somewhat embarrassed by it. He thought he had lost his cool and overdid it a bit, reacting as a fan rather than describing. Eventually, of course, it became the call for which he was most famous and when he left FAN a few years later to take the job with the (gasp!) Islanders that was what the majority of fans called him about during his final week on the station. -
And it appears to be a long, long time ...
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Talkin' 'bout your well-timed breakout seasons: Gary Matthews Jr. to the Angels for 5x$10mil And realize also that this seemingly "young" player is already 32 y/o and is headed for his 8th team.
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And it appears to be a long, long time ...
Frayed Knot replied to Frayed Knot's topic in New York Mets Talk
Ummmm, he's not serious. RK was actually here briefly a couple years back but left in a huff (or maybe it was a minute and a huff) for reasons which were never clear to me. This may help. It's been residing in the 'Permanent Links' section. -
Morneau,Morneau ,Morneau ,Justin Morneau
Frayed Knot replied to metirish's topic in New York Mets Talk
The duo just pounced on the guy from the second he picked up the phone for not realizing how clutch the Jete-guy is, in part basing it on single game and/or single AB examples and the whole thing quickly fell apart into a series of disconnected statements, contradictions and accusations. For all their faults, M&MD can actually be good interviewers but, at times, have their minds made up on a particular issue before discussion even starts at which point they're really not interested in what the subject has to say. This was one of those times; Jeter's GW-RBIs against Boston in August during that sweep sealed up both the division and the award and anyone who doesn't know that is a clueless dolt. -
Morneau,Morneau ,Morneau ,Justin Morneau
Frayed Knot replied to metirish's topic in New York Mets Talk
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