metsmarathon wrote: i think its a problem throughout baseball that when managers try harder to win, they try harder to lose the game. sac bunting is one of those examples. that's a thing managers do when they think they're helping, but really all they it does is hurt. but it's what the book says to do... the cards game last night, otoh, is how you use bunting to win. both strategically and tactically. shitty metly bunting loses that game. Yup! I've seen a lot of sac-bunting goin' on lately. Even from supposedly committed "Moneyball' teams like the BoSox. No one, I believe, wants to stand accused of doing nothing while their team goes down the drain. Basketball coaches are like that too. I swear most hoops coaches would prefer losing a game 72-70 than win one 125-119 as the former gets them lauded for employing lots of strategy (lots of fouling and time outs called) while the latter marks them among media and colleagues as someone who just rolled the ball out on the court and let his athletes take over. At least last night in Houston: - the Astros have a pretty shitty, but speedy, offense - the game was already in extra innings - and ONE RUN WINS THE GAME ... the problem with [crossout]Jer[/crossout], i mean Terry last night is that he's doing this stuff in the 8th while down by two and extra-base power at the plate