Frayed Knot

Those back-to-back walks were one way of getting Lee out of the game. Now let's hope that "strategy" doesn't burn us.

Wiggled out of that one. You think Chollie would have called for that SB - particularly without the runner from 3rd moving? I think he was too much of an offensive guy to think that was the best pct play, so I'm guessing probably no.

And almost immediately he implies that it was Clemens

Centerfield wrote: Aren't ligaments the type of things that don't fix themselves? I would think he has to have the surgery at some point or another. I would want him to have it sooner rather than later. They don't fix themselves as far as self-"sewing"-up the torn part. But partial tears cause pain and swelling which can be dealt with rest, strengthening, etc., and if there's enough of it still un-torn to function maybe immediate cutting isn't the best move. Obviously it all depends on the amount of the tear which is why they're going to wait until the swelling goes down before making a more specific determination and a recommendation. And while it certainly seems to all us internet doctors that the move is to have it ASAP, if for no other reason than to not have it hanging over his head for the foreseeable future, TJ surgery is still not a fool-proof procedure that you want to do just for the hell of it.

Odd timing by Terry for a pitching change: 2-outs and opposing pitcher up

Ashie62 wrote: After 47 years I would so love to blow this team off... You're welcome to at any time.

Some tears are more minor than others. There's no need to rush into anything just yet.

Recent Philly addition Casper Wells (plucked off waivers from the ChiSox in early August) had a tough day over the weekend. In Saturday's game against the DBacks--the one where the Phils scored four times to tie the game in the 8th inning only to lose it 4 hours later in the 18th--Wells took an 0-for-7 AND was the losing pitcher, giving up 5 runs on 3 hits & 3 walks in 2/3 of an inning. He even had to be relieved by another position player (John McDonald) in order to end the inning, so Wells went from the OF to pitcher, than back to the OF. The odd part is that it was his second pitching appearance of the season, one each in a loss for the ChiSox & Phils. He personally didn't get the loss in the first game vs Cleveland as that game was already a blowout when he came in. Wonder if a position player has ever been brought in to pitch twice in one season but not with the same team? I bet it has, although probably not in a long time.

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: G-Fafif wrote: The strangest part is that Mike Francesa had a scoop. He's like Hovvey's best buddy. Mushnick has pointed out on a number of occasions that originally (like right about a year ago now - he noted the "anniversary" just the other day) Francesa was trashing Harvey as just another over-hyped figment of the Mets and NYM fan's imagination, making his 'I noticed him first' campaign nothing more than a classic example of selective memory.

The bad thing about injured elbows is that when that ligament (completely) tears the only solution is replacement surgery and the rehab time from it is lengthy. The good thing about injured elbows is that they're not injured shoulders. Injuries to those are much more complicated and the recovery less certain and predictable.

Well, as of yesterday he had not talked to Hudgens, only that he wanted to do so at the next opportunity. (remember that this AB was from Saturday's game which he was not at) And there is a difference between finding out from Hudgens, for announcing/informational purposes, what the team's philosophy is in those cases and if that fed into Lagares's actions in that AB. That sort of volunteerism is both welcome and kosher. Going to the players directly to suggest and/or correct while bypassing the coaches, not so much.

Considering that Schierholz had barely left the batters box at the time of the plunking, it would be pretty tough for an ump to call him for interfering either purposely or otherwise. He wasn't even looking up when the surprise delivery suddenly woke him out of his funk. btw, when I left this thread last night the Cubs had loaded the bases again in the 15th. They didn't score. Pads won it in the bottom of the inning.

Gwreck wrote: I don't think TV commentary works that way. Yeah, Keith would be way out of bounds if he simply took it upon himself to start offering advice to Lagares, or to anyone for that matter. He did say something about making a point of talking to Hudgens about what the philosophy/mind-set is in that type of AB

... you never saw before. Cubs at San Diego - scoreless tie thru 12. OK, that's unusual enough. - Cubs load the bases with no one out in top 13 so you figure the Pads are dead ... BUT - Nate Schierholz is up, bounces one to 1st and in doing so twists his ankle and falls, a pure god-send for the Pads as now it's a sure 3-2-3 DP ... BUT - as Schierholz gets up and is only ten feet down the line when the throw from 1st baseman hits him in the face ... the ball bounces away, all runners are safe, a run is in, the bases still loaded, and so they should be good for a couple more ... BUT - they only score once more (Sac Fly) so take a 2-0 lead into bottom 12 ... BUT - the Pads score once on a double then a two out triple (Ronnie Cedeno btw) which is followed by a wild pitch ... BUT - Cedeno hesitates at first before breaking and so is going to be out by 15 feet ... BUT - the pitcher dropped the flip from his catcher and thegame, instead of being over (Cubs win, Cubs win) is tied. Hit him right in the glove and he muffed it As I was typing this neither team scored in the 14th even though the Padres got the first two guys on in their half. On to the 15th ... Cubs have loaded the bases.

Gwreck wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: To be fair, it was Johnny Vintner who soured the sweeter chance. Yabbut, swinging first pitch when the pitcher is clearly tiring and struggling with command? Just poor Interesting though that Keith, as revealed on Sunday's broadcast, was much more disturbed by Lagares's AB than by Buck's. Claimed even that it kept him awake that night. Now we all know that Keith is often critical of overly passive hitters a condition which, as he sees it, is caused by too much film work and reliance on computer charts. Lagares certainly played into that as, unlike Back, he took pitches but in doing so took two fastballs essentially down the middle which set him up to eventually chase an up and in pitch on a 1-2 count for strike three. Keith no likey.

Our grounders have gone at 'em, their grounders have gone 'tween us.

And now, with some of the slowest runners in all MLB on the bases, we haven't even made one of them run in order to score. Virtually every one of their runners who have scored all weekend has done so at a trot.

Story of this series is the Tigers getting some very long HRs sandwiched around about six dozen mostly softly-hit singles.

Harvey - 1.9 Davis - 1.5 Young - 0.4 Murphy - 0.4 Atchison - 0.3

That's [u:1b0kjcjs]2 runs scored total[/u:1b0kjcjs] over the last three games. Not going to win a lot that way.

Gwreck wrote: LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: To be fair, it was Johnny Vintner who soured the sweeter chance. Yabbut, swinging first pitch when the pitcher is clearly tiring and struggling with command? Just poor And a hit there really would have made Scherzer's brown eye blue.

Kind of makes you wonder where and how often they'll play the big guy.

Aardsma - 0.4 Young - 2.0 Flores - 2.0 Byrd - 1.0 Lagares - 0.6

Gwreck wrote: I have an idea. Let's never throw anything in the strike zone to Miguel Cabrera, ever. Wouldn't matter, he'll hit stuff out of the zone out of the park too.

Fine, but you also need a person on your bench who can play SS if/when needed, something Satin, den Dekker, etc. don't and, given the choice between having BOTH Tejada & Q on the roster vs either one of them (your choice, I don't care) plus Turner, I'm opting to keep the red head around. After all, do keep in mind that when Turner does play SS it's in place of the mighty .225/.292/.310 that Quinty is putting up and the equally impressive .209/.267/.262 from Tejada and Turner's .273/.320/.352 suddenly doesn't look so "empty". Hell, given our options right now, my choice would be to play him MORE. I'm also not seeing this horrible fielding that others apparently are; while I know that errors aren't the final word on these things, he has two since the beginning of 2012. So when you find that available backup player who can man SS AND hit to your liking I'm all ears, but I have a funny feeling I'll be seeing Jimmy Hoffa first. I'm having Desi Relaford flashbacks here.