John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: If there's one overriding uniformed conclusion I've drawn from the whole Madoff episode, it's that the folks who invested with him almost had to know there was something fishy about it, or rather, they handed off their money willfully not wanting to know how it returned as much as as it did. I don't know how you unravel all this but I'm sure the losers are as guilty as the gainers in that respect. You could be right. I don't know what the Wilpon group knew or didn't know, but it's quite [crossout]possible[/crossout] probable, as it is with most Ponzi schemes, that Madoff was simply sitting on piles and piles of money, and doling some of it back to his investors as supposed "profits', arbitrarily and at his whim in order to perpetuate his scam --- and that these supposed "profits" had no correlation to any real-life profitable ROI because there were no real profits. If so, the Wilpon group should take a hit to the wallet down the line.