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What a weak class of first timers.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: And the JR Rotunda didn't even cross my mind when I calculated my furshlugginer factor for ecch CF. You didn't take Misplaced Dodger Loyalty Gravitational Displacement into account? Bullspit. I can riff on the JR Rotunda but in this thread, I limited my consideration of CF strictly to its moronic playing dimensions. Did you know that it was the Wilpons who ultimately signed off on the CF field dimensions?

Ceetar wrote: Valadius wrote: He's talking to MLB Network from Toronto, in front of his Blue Jays uniform. personal preference plays a large part right? (Piazza has stated he'd prefer the Mets) The player's personal preference plays no part at all unless the choice is what the HOF considers a close call. Thus, for example, Roberto Alomar will not get to choose to be enshrined in a Mets cap, no matter how strongly he might want to go in as a Met. My hunch is that, on the other hand, Piazza's preference will be considered in choosing between the Mets and Dodgers. The Hall makes the final call, though.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: "Extraneous" might be more to the quick. With all due respect, it's a thread about what we think will happen for Beltran in the coming season, not "How Much Sense Does a Robinson Rotunda Make," Part III. That said... god DAMN, do I want to see Beltran being all ultrastellar again, if only for another half-season. I think Beltran's HR totals will be 27% less than what he would hit in an alternate universe where everything is as is except that the Mets play their home games at Shea Stadium. And the JR Rotunda didn't even cross my mind when I calculated my furshlugginer factor for ecch CF.

What was so gratuitous about my Wilpons remark? Joan Payson didn't design CF.

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: His knees are shot, he's probably off the juice, and I don't have any fantasies of his being healthy, as productive as he used to be, or worth much on the trade market. That, too.

Gwreck wrote: It's not just the new park. Beltran had a pronounced home/road split in homers when he played in Shea, too: 46 Home and 71 Road from 05-08. One can reasonably assume that if CF existed five years ago, Beltran's 2005-08 home road splits for HR's would be skewed even more. Shea has nothing to do with this. Your data is consistent with what was common knowledge: that Shea was not a HR hitter's park. Neither is CF.

Veeblefetzer!

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: I want to be optimistic, too. Plus, there's a little sartorial self-interest involved (he's a prominent member of the LWFS jersey family, and I'd rather not have to shunt those to the back of the closet with Mikey until he makes the Met HoF). But, yeah, anything above a 20-25 HR-, 15 steal- and a .280*/.360*/.470 triple-slash**-projection would seem to be approaching fantasyland borders. I think those are attainable, and I think he puts up about half of them wearing the uniform of Queens. *Bump up or down 10 points as BABIP dictates. **Still fun! I'm in the minority on this one, but I like my Mets jerseys even more so after the player I'm wearing leaves the Mets. I think Beltran'll be glad to get the hell away from this stupid furshlugginer stadium the Wilpons signed off on. I know that I would if I had 30+ HR power in a neutral stadium. His injuries might be detracting from talk that he's another CF casualty. Unless it's the injuries. And the not so significant sample size.

G-Fafif wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: Willets Point wrote: I was thinking of taking Baby Willets on a road trip this season with Pittsburgh one of the possible destinations. I'd like to do a road trip to Pittsburgh. What's the deal with those famous Primanti's sandwiches? I'd guess that an order of large fries packed into a sandwich is gimmicky schlock, but they're so popular. Cole slaw also packed in there. The mythology as I understand it is Primanti's customers included truckers who needed to eat with one hand while driving. Well then why stop at fries and slaw? Why doesn't Primanti's dip the entire sandwich in a tub of coca-cola to top it off?

Extra Credit. Name the Mets that are ranked 43-48 in this category. Hint: None of these Mets were guessed. 41. Amos Otis (193) (none as a Met) 42. Jason Bay (191) (none as a Met) 43. Preston Wilson (189) (none as a Met) Edgy 44. 45t. 45t. 47. David Wright (169) G-Fafif 48. 49. 50. Preston, I thought, was a tough one. I extended the list through the top 50. Extra Credit Round G-Fafif 1 Edgy 1

Willets Point wrote: I was thinking of taking Baby Willets on a road trip this season with Pittsburgh one of the possible destinations. I'd like to do a road trip to Pittsburgh. What's the deal with those famous Primanti's sandwiches? I'd guess that an order of large fries packed into a sandwich is gimmicky schlock, but they're so popular.

Edgy DC wrote: Hubie Brooks. Hubie didn't make the cut. I should've extended this contest through the top 48 (or 50). The extra credits are tough ones. But I thought that no one would get Conine or Hebner for a long while. So perhaps, I'm underestimating you guys.

G-Fafif wrote: G-Fafif wrote: Never mind. Misunderstood question. Are you withdrawing your correct answer? No, I'll keep it. I thought you were looking for most career home runs by a Met who never hit any as a Met -- but Bay did hit a handful in 2010. "None as a Met" confused me. Yogi Berra would be the answer to that trivia question.

G-Fafif wrote: G-Fafif wrote: Never mind. Misunderstood question. Are you withdrawing your correct answer? No, I'll keep it. I thought you were looking for most career home runs by a Met who never hit any as a Met -- but Bay did hit a handful in 2010. "None as a Met" confused me. I thought I made a funny. HaHa.

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: I can't believe that Hebner and Conine were guessed before Milner. Or that Milner wasn't guessed at all. (Not that I would've guessed Milner if I were playing. I'm an impressively knowledgeable Mets fan myself). I just noticed that Conine was a RIGHT answer. Wowee. I had the benefit of having looked up the Digger's numbers a few months back after a talk with an older Met fan about guys he hated back in the Grant years. There were only three wrong answers. Two of the wrongs were the first two Mets to miss the cut. Amazin'. Amazin'. Amazin'. Over the years, I've read all about the failed --doomed from the start, apparently-- relationship between Hebner, the Mets and Mets fans. But I don't seem to remember any of it as it was happening. This Hebner saga is like one big history lesson for me. And I was around for the '79 Mets.

G-Fafif wrote: Never mind. Misunderstood question. Are you withdrawing your correct answer?

Extra Credit. Name the Mets that are ranked 43-48 in this category. Hint: None of these Mets were guessed. 41. Amos Otis (193) (none as a Met) 42. Jason Bay (191) (none as a Met) 43. 44. 45t. 45t. 47. David Wright (169) G-Fafif 48.

Extra Credit. Name the Mets that are ranked 43-48 in this category. Hint: None of these Mets were guessed. 41. Amos Otis (193) (none as a Met) 42. Jason Bay (191) (none as a Met) 43. 44. 45t. 45t. 47. 48.

I can't believe that Hebner and Conine were guessed before Milner. Or that Milner wasn't guessed at all. (Not that I would've guessed Milner if I were playing. I'm an impressively knowledgeable Mets fan myself).

Done. You guys are impressively knowledgeable Mets fans. Or cheaters.

Score G-Fafif 21 TM 12 LWFS 6 Hahn 5 Edgy 2 Seawolf 2 Mole 1 Ceetar (-3) 1. Willie Mays (660) Hahn 2. Gary Sheffield (509) Hahn 3. Eddie Murray (504) TM 4. Carlos Delgado (473) TM 5. Dave Kingman (442) G-Fafif 6. Mike Piazza (427) LWFS 7. Duke Snider (407) G-Fafif 8. Jeff Kent (377) Ceetar 9. Gil Hodges (370) Hahn 10. Yogi Berra (358) G-Fafif 11. George Foster (348) Mole 12. Darryl Strawberry (335) Hahn 13. Moises Alou (332) LWFS 14t. Mo Vaughn (328) TM 14t. Shawn Green (328) G-Fafif 16. Gary Carter (324) G-Fafif 17. Jeromy Burnitz (315) TM 18. Rickey Henderson (297) LWFS 19. Robin Ventura (294) TM 20. Rusty Staub (292) G-Fafif 21. Bobby Bonilla (287) Edgy 22. Frank Thomas (286) G-Fafif 23. Ken Boyer (282) G-Fafif 24. Carlos Beltran (280) G-Fafif 25. Mike Cameron (269) LWFS 26. John Olerud (255) TM 27. Todd Zeile (253) G-Fafif 28. Joe Torre (252) Edgy 29. Tony Clark (251) G-Fafif 30. Jose Valentin (249) Hahn 31. Ken Singleton (246) Edgy 32. Kevin Mitchell (234) G-Fafif 33. Cliff Floyd (233) TM 34t. Howard Johnson (228) G-Fafif 34t. Dick Stuart (228) G-Fafif 36. Jeff Conine (214) G-Fafif 37. Kevin McReynolds (211) Seawolf 38. Roberto Alomar (210) TM 39. Richie Hebner (203) LWFS 40t. Todd Hundley (202) TM 40t. Carl Everett (202) G-Fafif Wrong Answers Amos Otis (193) (41st) Edgy Jason Bay (191) (42nd) Ceetar Willie Randolph (off the charts) Ceetar

Score G-Fafif 18 TM 9 LWFS 6 Hahn 4 Edgy 2 Seawolf 2 Ceetar 1 Mole 1 1. Willie Mays (660) Hahn 2. Gary Sheffield (509) Hahn 3. Eddie Murray (504) TM 4. Carlos Delgado (473) TM 5. Dave Kingman (442) G-Fafif 6. Mike Piazza (427) LWFS 7. Duke Snider (407) G-Fafif 8. Jeff Kent (377) Ceetar 9. Gil Hodges (370) Hahn 10. Yogi Berra (358) G-Fafif 11. George Foster (348) Mole 12. Darryl Strawberry (335) Hahn 13. Moises Alou (332) LWFS 14t. Mo Vaughn (328) TM 14t. Shawn Green (328) G-Fafif 16. Gary Carter (324) G-Fafif 17. Jeromy Burnitz (315) TM 18. Rickey Henderson (297) LWFS 19. Robin Ventura (294) TM 20. Rusty Staub (292) G-Fafif 21. Bobby Bonilla (287) Edgy 22. Frank Thomas (286) G-Fafif 23. Ken Boyer (282) G-Fafif 24. Carlos Beltran (280) G-Fafif 25. Mike Cameron (269) LWFS 26. 27. Todd Zeile (253) G-Fafif 28. Joe Torre (252) Edgy 29. 30. 31. Ken Singleton (246) Edgy 32. Kevin Mitchell (234) G-Fafif 33. Cliff Floyd (233) TM 34t. Howard Johnson (228) G-Fafif 34t. Dick Stuart (228) G-Fafif 36. Jeff Conine (214) G-Fafif 37. Kevin McReynolds (211) Seawolf 38. Roberto Alomar (210) TM 39. Richie Hebner (203) LWFS 40t. 40t. Wrong Answers Amos Otis (193) (41st) Edgy

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Adam Rubin and I lobby for repeat guesses to be penalized points-- if not now, in the future-- so as to hedge against indiscriminate spray-guessers. Taken under consideration.

Score G-Fafif 11 Hahn 4 TM 2 LWFS 2 Mole 1 1. Willie Mays (660) Hahn 2. Gary Sheffield (509) Hahn 3. Eddie Murray (504) TM 4. Carlos Delgado (473) TM 5. Dave Kingman (442) G-Fafif 6. Mike Piazza (427) LWFS 7. Duke Snider (407) G-Fafif 8. 9. Gil Hodges (370) Hahn 10. Yogi Berra (358) G-Fafif 11. George Foster (348) Mole 12. Darryl Strawberry (335) Hahn 13. Moises Alou (332) LWFS 14t. 14t. 16. Gary Carter (324) G-Fafif 17. 18. 19. 20. Rusty Staub (292) G-Fafif 21. 22. 23. Ken Boyer (282) G-Fafif 24. Carlos Beltran (280) G-Fafif 25. 26. 27. 28. 29. 30. 31. 32. 33. 34t. Howard Johnson (228) G-Fafif 34t. Dick Stuart (228) G-Fafif 36. 37. 38. 39. 40t. 40t.