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Edgy MD wrote: =batmagadanleadoff post_id=168946 time=1725582946 user_id=68] So Ohtani can't win the MVP award if he wins the Hank Aaron award? Is that what the guy is saying? Definitely not.

So Ohtani can't win the MVP award if he wins the Hank Aaron award? Is that what the guy is saying? Or maybe he's saying that a DH can't win an MVP award? Well, what if there was a DH who finished the season with 100 HRs, 250 RBI's a .600 BA and an .800 OBP? Is he saying that even that guy can't win the MVP because he DH'ed? Value is value, no matter where it comes from. Justin Verlander and Roger Clemens won MVP awards while providing no offensive value and relatively little defensive value -- and with a Cy Young award existing for pitchers only. Dennis Eckersley won an MVP award pitching just 80 innings, and also providing zero offensive value.

=MFS62 post_id=168927 time=1725571719 user_id=60] =batmagadanleadoff post_id=168919 time=1725562520 user_id=68] Between Lindor unslumping himself and Vientos' promotion, it's as if the Mets replaced two rock-bottom dreadful players (early-season Lindor and Baty) with two MVP-caliber players.

https://x.com/BeaneaterB/status/1831384717133840512 Some interesting comments on here from non Mets fans There are also Cy Young awards and Rookie of the Year awards. But what is this Beaneater person talking about? What is he trying to say? I have no idea.

Per Howie Rose on X: "Since June 3 (81 games, or a half season worth) the Mets are 52-29. That's a 104-win pace, not a mirage. The Mets are good, get on board" Between Lindor unslumping himself and Vientos' promotion, it's as if the Mets replaced two rock-bottom dreadful players (early-season Lindor and Baty) with two MVP-caliber players.

Johnny Lunchbucket wrote: I was a Vientos denier.... I thought Vientos would hit some dingers but was one of those hitters who would get himself out too often, striking out a lot and get dominated by good pitching. Also I though he would kill us defensively at third base. By early this season, I think yours was the consensus opinion about Vientos. It was mine, too. I thought Vientos would turn out to be a big stiff. But since his promotion to the big club, he's been a stud, to say the least.

Some day, the Mets are gonna win a game and actually gain in the standings on one of the teams ahead of them. Some day.

=Cowtipper post_id=168806 time=1725493841 user_id=166] I wouldn't say Vientos was a dark horse, since greatness was expected at one point. Iglesias is the obvious choice to me. Torrens is #2, but pretty far back on the list. I don't think much was expected from Garrett, either, come to think of it.

It might be time to merge this into the "DT is a political outrage" thread. What's the point? The orange scumbag ruined everything. It's true! Everything he touches dies. Turns to shit. You can't even have a baseball talk anymore. Sandy Alderson.

When this moment in our politics is left to the historians to analyze and dissect unemotionally, it will be a sad and tragic telling. This country has lost its mind. This vile piece of shit should be trailing by 30, 35 points. And then the corrupt SCOTUS and judiciary that enables him to go on when he already should have been impeached by the Senate, barred from ever holding office again under the insurrectionist clause of the 14th Amendment, convicted of Federal crimes and incarcerated. And as if that's not enough, SCOTUS made him more powerful by orders of magnitude by granting him the freedom to commit crimes without consequences.

=smg58 post_id=168743 time=1725466279 user_id=62] I don't even know what to say. Every team goes though down stretches, but this is different. And the White Sox aren't an expansion team, or incapable of buying their way at least up to mediocrity. This is mindblowing.

Edgy MD wrote: Every team has a rich owner and is managed by people who want to win, but every day, exactly 50% of the ones that take the field lose. That's not the point. We're talking about a team that's losing more than 75%, almost 80%, of all of its games. All of them. That is mind-boggling and hardly explained by the fact that every game, one team loses. This is more like flipping a coin and drawing "heads" 15 straight times.

=Centerfield post_id=168727 time=1725455187 user_id=65] It's a really interesting point. I tend to discount any argument that starts with “If you disregard [time when team was bad]….”

Wow.

They don't suck. I've said this several times already but the Mets are no longer the team that got off to a dreadful start and took about two months to find themselves. They're now one of the best teams in baseball. And ever since Vientos and Martinez began playing every day, the Mets have been playing better baseball than just about every other team in the majors. Better than the Dodgers. Better than the Yankees. Better than the Braves. Ironically, about the only teams that have been better than the Mets since they foiund themselves are two of the three teams they're chasing for Wild Card spots -- the Padres and the DBacks. The Mets now have an MVP candidtate -- Lindor. And Vientos -- a player who rate-wise, has been hitting like an MVP all season long. Vientos won't win the MVP award even if he continues to hit at the rate he's hitting at for the rest of the season because he missed too much playing time while down in Syracuse, but he should get down ballot MVP votes. And now, suddenly, the Mets have two starters, Peterson and Manaea, that have been pitching like Cy Young award candidates for several starts. Manaea is in the top 10 of virtually every important pitching statistic. If the pitching holds up, if Senga returns, good things are possible. MLB records since June 1: [FIMG=777]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53969448063_e0ee8fcb02_c.jpg[/FIMG] Since June 1st, the Mets have been on a 100 win pace, over 162 games. The Mets have the best ERA in all of baseball since mid June. Also, they have four every-day players (Vientos, Lindor, Alonso and Martinez) that have OPS+ numbers over 120, and a fifth, Nimmo, who is almost there. Pay attention. Right now, the Mets are about as good as any other team in baseball and could go toe-to-toe with anyone. That 100 win pace that they're on is meaningful. That's as many games as the 1969 squad won. It took the Mets about two months to "find themselves" this season. If they could've played the way they've been playing since June right from the start, they'd have the best record in the majors and (obviously) be in position for a first round bye.

Mark Vientos, who initially, was deemed not even good enough to carry Brett Baty's water. Now he's the Mets best hitter. Lindor is the Mets best player, but Vientos is their best hitter. How could the dark horse be anybody else but Vientos?

They don't suck. I've said this several times already but the Mets are no longer the team that got off to a dreadful start and took about two months to find themselves. They're now one of the best teams in baseball. And ever since Vientos and Martinez began playing every day, the Mets have been playing better baseball than just about every other team in the majors. Better than the Dodgers. Better than the Yankees. Better than the Braves. Ironically, about the only teams that have been better than the Mets since they foiund themselves are two of the three teams they're chasing for Wild Card spots -- the Padres and the DBacks. The Mets now have an MVP candidtate -- Lindor. And Vientos -- a player who rate-wise, has been hitting like an MVP all season long. Vientos won't win the MVP award even if he continues to hit at the rate he's hitting at for the rest of the season because he missed too much playing time while down in Syracuse, but he should get down ballot MVP votes. And now, suddenly, the Mets have two starters, Peterson and Manaea, that have been pitching like Cy Young award candidates for several starts. Manaea is in the top 10 of virtually every important pitching statistic. If the pitching holds up, if Senga returns, good things are possible. MLB records since June 1: [FIMG=777]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53969448063_e0ee8fcb02_c.jpg[/FIMG] Since June 1st, the Mets have been on a 100 win pace, over 162 games.

They don't suck. I've said this several times already but the Mets are no longer the team that got off to a dreadful start and took about two months to find themselves. They're now one of the best teams in baseball. And ever since Vientos and Martinez began playing every day, the Mets have been playing better baseball than just about every other team in the majors. Better than the Dodgers. Better than the Yankees. Better than the Braves. Ironically, about the only teams that have been better than the Mets since they foiund themselves are two of the three teams they're chasing for Wild Card spots -- the Padres and the DBacks. The Mets now have an MVP candidtate -- Lindor. And Vientos -- a player who rate-wise, has been hitting like an MVP all season long. Vientos won't win the MVP award even if he continues to hit at the rate he's hitting at for the rest of the season because he missed too much playing time while down in Syracuse, but he should get down ballot MVP votes. And now, suddenly, the Mets have two starters, Peterson and Manaea, that have been pitching like Cy Young award candidates for several starts. Manaea is in the top 10 of virtually every important pitching statistic. If the pitching holds up, if Senga returns, good things are possible.

When the Rogers Centre debuted some 35 years ago, (originally, it was simply called "the Skydome" -- this was back in the day before the grubby and greedy large corporations got their names on practically all of the sports stadiums), it was as state of the art as a sports stadium could be. During its inaugural season, the "Game of the Week" did a pre-game feature on the stadium, including a bit about how there was even a McDonald's inside of the Skydome. I thought that was the coolest thing I ever saw in a sports stadium, which shows just how bad and limited stadium food was back then. I immediately got in the mood to go and watch a game at the Skydome just because of the McDonald's in there. Which itself, was kinda odd, because even 35 years ago, McDonald's was so ubiquitous that if you lived anywhere in the five boroughs, no matter where you lived, you were probably no more than a 10 minute walk or drive away from a McDonald's. To this day, I never did get to go to that stadium.

[FIMG=666]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53961524683_fb16921aac_h.jpg[/FIMG] Pretty much the whole top of the NL won their games yesterday. Mets did gain a game on the DBacks, though.

I wouldn't be surprised in the least if it was the White Sox doing the sweeping of this series. And if the Mets were out of it, playoff-wise, I'd probably be rooting for a White Sox sweep. I'm one of those Mets fans that wants the Mets to hold their 120 loss record.

Lefty Specialist wrote: They play the good teams tough (6-4 against the O's, Pads and Snakes). Watch them drop 2 of 3 to the White Sox. It's very possible. That's baseball. It wouldn't even be much of a surprise. At least not to me, anyways. I like the current Mets squad. I like the current squad very much so even though there's still room for improvement. There always is. Even on the juggernaut practically flawless 1986 Mets, Rafael Santana was a crappy hitter. I think that right now, as comprised, the Mets are a playoff contender -- heck, not a contender -- an actual bona fide playoff caliber team. I don't think it's entirely accurate to guess what the Mets might do going forward based on their overall season record. Because I believe that the Mets are no longer the team that they were in April and May. But the Mets awful early season showing does serve to explain why right now, the Mets are on the outside looking in at the playoffs. The lesson, the obvious lesson here, the lesson that everybody here already knows, is that the games played in April count just as much as the games played in September. If the Mets miss the playoffs this season, I think that their undoing will have been their terrible early start, when Lindor, who is now suddenly in the MVP conversation, went through the worst stretch of his career, when Martinez hadn't yet joined the team and when Baty instead of the awesomely ascendant Vientos, was getting all of the at bats at third base.

=Cowtipper post_id=168025 time=1724966416 user_id=166] I'm late. Not including today, since Peterson's ERA reached its high point of 4.32 on June 12, it has been 2.49 in 12 starts. It is 1.71 for the month of August.

Benjamin Grimm wrote: I agree. Voters seem to put too much emphasis on the V in MVP. The smartest solution is so so often the simplest. I think that some of the voters complicate the thought process not out of necessity but because they think that it makes them appear smarter.

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