batmagadanleadoff

Edgy MD wrote: There are plenty of games where Dave Kingman did something remarkable, but I tend to think of the one where he made Tommy LaSorda go nuts as "The Kingman Game." I'm too lazy to look this up right now, but was Kingman with the Mets or the Cubs for that one?

Our intelopers are Jackie Robinson, who interloped his way into a Rotunda, and Tommie Agee, who can never be an interloper in my book. Agee had already played his last major league game when the Dodgers traded for him in December of 1973. Agee was released three months later, near the end of Spring Training, one of the Dodgers last cuts heading into their pennant winning '74 season. Thank you for playing the Dodger version of the interloper game.

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Benjamin Grimm wrote: Thank you everyone! ... If anyone has any suggestions of other ways I might be able to turn data into graphics, I'd love to hear them. I can't promise I'd be able to do it, but I'd still love to hear the suggestions. Here's an idea. It's a variation on the graphic you just unveiled. It's a chart/graphic that shows how many games ahead/behind the Mets were/are at every point of every season. A Mets standings chart/graphic. A chart/graphic for every season. The Y axis indicates how many games behind the first place team or games ahead of the second place team the Mets are/were. The X axis shows either the date for each given season (e.g., July 3, 1977, August 8, 1988, etc.) or the game # (e.g., 81st game of the season, 103rd game, 144th, etc.)* The horizontal baseline or thick line that represents a .500 record in the newest graphic would, here, indicate a tie for first with at least one other team, or the start of the season (game #0), when every team has the same record. Also, maybe this proposed graphic could also be combined in some kind of overlay with the newest graphic, to provide the user with a combined record and standings all in one graphic. Users could choose to view the graphics separately or as one combined overlay. * Or both. A toggle switch, perhaps? The X axis should have the date. The Mets standings position could change even on the team's off days, so the date would be needed. Ideally, each point on the X axis would have both the date and the game #. So, using the 1969 season as example, the first notch on the X axis would read April 8 (4/8) and have a #1 for game #1 underneath. The next notch would read April 9 with a 2 underneath. The 10th notch would indicate 4/17 with a 10 underneath for game #10. April 18 was the Mets first off day that season so the 11th notch would read 4/18 with no number underneath, indicating no game played on that date. OE -- or the X axis info line could be blank, like in your newly created graphic. Whatever.

Benjamin Grimm wrote: Thank you everyone! ... If anyone has any suggestions of other ways I might be able to turn data into graphics, I'd love to hear them. I can't promise I'd be able to do it, but I'd still love to hear the suggestions. Here's an idea. It's a variation on the graphic you just unveiled. It's a chart/graphic that shows how many games ahead/behind the Mets were/are at every point of every season. A Mets standings chart/graphic. A chart/graphic for every season. The Y axis indicates how many games behind the first place team or games ahead of the second place team the Mets are/were. The X axis shows either the date for each given season (e.g., July 3, 1977, August 8, 1988, etc.) or the game # (e.g., 81st game of the season, 103rd game, 144th, etc.)* The horizontal baseline or thick line that represents a .500 record in the newest graphic would, here, indicate a tie for first with at least one other team, or the start of the season (game #0), when every team has the same record. Also, maybe this proposed graphic could also be combined in some kind of overlay with the newest graphic, to provide the user with a combined record and standings all in one graphic. Users could choose to view the graphics separately or as one combined overlay. * Or both. A toggle switch, perhaps?

[fimg=444]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/402/19198747460_f3a7656f4b_o.jpg[/fimg]

Your work on the UMDB is treemendous. Your site is a true Mets treasure.

As if it isn't difficult enough trying to predict a team's future moves from where we sit, it's exponentially tougher with this furshlugginer impoverished organization running its operations with their shoelaces tied together.

Identify all the interlopers in the same post and not all willy nilly and piecemeal, and you can own this hand me down of ex Met, ex Dodger, and ex every other team, Bob Miller, specifically manufactured for Steve Rogers, who hasn't claimed his prize and so I'm gonna assume he doesn't want it. Because what am I supposed to do if one person identifies one interloper and another person identifies another and another and another and another and another? How am I supposed to determine who wins? And who gets the card? See what I mean?

MIA Players Tim Bogar Buddy Carlyle Brad Clontz Chris Donnels Greg McMichael Mel Rojas Dick Schofield, Jr. Dennis Springer Rick Wilkins ][fimg=250]http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTA0MFg3NDg=/z/XTMAAOSw2VJVfycx/$_57.JPG[/fimg]

[fimg=230]https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3926/18724716544_76b08576b8_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=255]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/273/18724716514_843b5db255_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/445/18724716504_ea7b88ce31_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=255]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/333/19488802445_0415cc6e10_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/441/18724662164_cb6fb15364_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=235]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/342/18724662134_e8832e0a20_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=245]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/339/19161003009_e25cea5272_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/512/18724785994_42fd30da05_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=245]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/428/19341221502_1b1a8ac0c0_o.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=260]https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3899/18724716454_8632f58cfd_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=265]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/515/18724716474_e64fe7b944_o.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/258/19161002999_febda04c89_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/379/19161002989_ec86b52a00_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=256]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/466/19161002979_6ebb49072e_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/327/19161002969_4076ff26d2_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=255]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/305/19341221492_6129811eb9_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=245]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/289/19341221482_b9ded450e4_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/558/19321115906_df7f0f5c4b_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/537/19321115896_6de4e5b478_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/295/19321115876_391051a0de_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3947/19321115856_1b584cce0e_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=245]https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3710/19321115836_128b112456_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=245]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/367/19347275925_e27ec3c106_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/517/19347275905_427e9d9dc1_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=230]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/523/19347275875_bae03ae5d7_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=245]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/345/18724716564_bac4264f45_o.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=245]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/560/19321115786_a38bac9e77_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=255]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/413/19341221462_0f1fff628f_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/330/19341221452_b33b24b2b7_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=235]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/550/19341221442_cdbd6a8c4e_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/501/19347275985_694d616754_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/296/18724662274_e568a33af1_o.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/310/18724662264_05c7b10401_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/462/18724662224_14010d08cc_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/332/18724662184_d3fdfffaa3_o.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=255]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/410/19347275945_9af7c202c8_o.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=250]https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3805/19347275965_dd0802c557_o.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/444/18726258863_8e3eb0ced6_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/538/19159417140_6bd19c7666_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=240]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/415/19159351070_4c2f96f458_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/537/18726258753_749cf8c143_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/277/18726258803_38d75f1aae_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/400/18726258883_fdf03c6e99_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/397/18726258843_5f05be09b8_o.jpg[/fimg]

You're right about the watermark. Here's two one-time Mets in enemy garb, shot at Shea in 1971: Our old friend Bob, and Gene Clines. Here's two of the Cubs cards I made: [fimg=353]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/471/19035001310_4219063c18_o.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=322]https://c4.staticflickr.com/4/3885/19038168410_30c6377148_o.jpg[/fimg] I put 'em in card sleeves and stuck a COMC watermark on 'em to make 'em look realer. The Fyhrie's an obvious fake, though, logically. He was a fringe reliever pitcher from 20 years ago, and so would never be on a Topps Heritage card, or probably any card at all. Here's the pics I used: [fimg=333]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/522/19070072048_6b4f6559d4_o.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=333]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/276/19070072058_4fb0592858_o.jpg[/fimg] The Takashi's not mine. Someone on the web posted over a hundred cardless contemporary players in that '77 style. I've been scooping up a few of his cards to fill out the MIA's from these card threads.

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Zvon wrote: Batmags. I found a loophole in my psychological make-up. I can make cards of other great non-Mets players if they are pictured at Shea. I'll do a page of non-Mets. You pick from your massive photo library a dozen non-Mets players with Shea in the background. I said "great" players but they can be anyone you choose. I'll make 12 non-Mets cards from those pics. No idea yet what borders or years I'll use, although I'm thinking that it would be kool to use the Topps border for whatever year the photo was taken. You up for that? That'd be fine by me. But I got such a kick out of seeing you put Bob Miller the Padre on a Padre card that I finally decided to listen to my inner kid and teach my own self how to make cards. It's a big learning curve because the only image editing program I ever used was MS Paint, and that's an extremely limited program. Anyways, I've been learning how to do this and it's a lot of two steps forward and one step back. Or two steps backward and one step forward. I'll pick out a player for you to do whatever you want with, ideally, a one time Met shot at Shea. By the way, I faked some cards in the new Cubs thread. Can you find them? OK. Here'a a nice sized The Man From Topps pic of Millan at Shea. It's kinda rare because Millan wore the Braves feather uni for just that one season. Do whatever you want with this one. Any style. Surprise everybody.

Zvon wrote: Batmags. I found a loophole in my psychological make-up. I can make cards of other great non-Mets players if they are pictured at Shea. I'll do a page of non-Mets. You pick from your massive photo library a dozen non-Mets players with Shea in the background. I said "great" players but they can be anyone you choose. I'll make 12 non-Mets cards from those pics. No idea yet what borders or years I'll use, although I'm thinking that it would be kool to use the Topps border for whatever year the photo was taken. You up for that? That'd be fine by me. But I got such a kick out of seeing you put Bob Miller the Padre on a Padre card that I finally decided to listen to my inner kid and teach my own self how to make cards. It's a big learning curve because the only image editing program I ever used was MS Paint, and that's an extremely limited program. Anyways, I've been learning how to do this and it's a lot of two steps forward and one step back. Or two steps backward and one step forward. I'll pick out a player for you to do whatever you want with, ideally, a one time Met shot at Shea. By the way, I faked some cards in the new Cubs thread. Can you find them?

Anybody at the game today? Anybody? Somebody? Will somebody get me a cheeseburger? (From the Shake Shack).

Matz'll be batting eighth next start. At least.

[fimg=555:r1ltg38v]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/402/19227580325_e8792f0019_o.jpg[/fimg:r1ltg38v] [fimg=644:r1ltg38v]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/416/19227580335_a3ed969a2b_o.jpg[/fimg:r1ltg38v] [fimg=229:r1ltg38v]http://content.sportslogos.net/logos/54/74/full/2296.gif[/fimg:r1ltg38v][fimg=246:r1ltg38v]http://content.sportslogos.net/logos/54/71/full/7xkp9hnp9jq11e1zia4tdcqjh.gif[/fimg:r1ltg38v] [fimg=444:r1ltg38v]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/259/19231482741_5dc55b9553_o.jpg[/fimg:r1ltg38v][fimg=244:r1ltg38v]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/409/19231482731_f45d1cf021_o.jpg[/fimg:r1ltg38v]

The other interlpoper is Bob Aspromonte, pictured on a real 1972 Topps card as a Red. Aspro's last game as a Met was his last MLB game ever. He was a Reds Spring Training Invitee in '72, but didn't make the cut. I was sure that Zvon would've gotten this one, as this was the subject of a Butterball Field "Who Am I?" post last year.

MIA Players Manny Aybar Butch Benton Miguel Cairo Mike DiFelice Tom Edens Todd Pratt Dave Weathers ]

New and improved. More than 20 new cards. And no interlopers. Other than Randy Bobb. [fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/413/19222594895_4c39698777_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=255]http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/81/81-513Fr.jpg[/fimg][fimg=245]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/431/18601386484_bc8ff48886_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=260]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/261/19056967569_0e31e5be51_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=270]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/471/19035001310_4219063c18_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=245]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/417/19036421419_6c12bac239_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=195]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/379/19222594945_11ff3001f9_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=255]https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8843/16887695193_60f25cc966_z.jpg[/fimg][fimg=265]https://c4.staticflickr.com/4/3885/19038168410_30c6377148_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/336/19035001320_38d41658e8_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=245]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/320/19222594875_ba251a94fa_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/273/19035001340_14002208ae_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/338/19036421369_31875c18eb_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=255]https://c4.staticflickr.com/4/3831/19036421399_f544581728_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=245]https://c4.staticflickr.com/4/3890/19035001360_ea8b9e152b_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=245]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/331/19036421289_56a4535ee3_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=245]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/494/19197046186_7cc3fb72a2_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=272]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/420/19228070571_3321a51051_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=245]https://c4.staticflickr.com/4/3893/19035001370_386b7846dc_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=255]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/295/19222594865_7bec9b96de_o.png[/fimg][fimg=255]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/376/19222594835_4046d2d2d4_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=250]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/444/19222594925_115ef92fe8_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=255]https://c4.staticflickr.com/4/3908/18602092843_a2483f906b_o.png[/fimg][fimg=245]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/459/19145266886_7a9d42cfb4_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=245]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/473/19199894936_8e88988538_o.jpg[/fimg]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: Why don't you like the fake cards here? Do you disapprove of them in the interloper game, or do you disapprove of them under any conditions? They don't belong in the same post with real cards. I support segregation of the card races. I am okay with guys making their own cards in general. I knew Norman never appeared as a Red prior to the Seaver trade. Scarce I looked up to confirm my suspicions. Their interloptions were given away by their cards. A purist, eh? I used to feel that way, but as these card threads evolved, I try harder to get more and more players into the OP. It's all about representation. With the customs, I can get more coverage. Watch the upcoming Cubs thread for a newly discovered Chris Cannizzarro DIY, for example. He played for them in the second half of '71 and went to the Dodgers in December of that year. Topps had enough time to make a later series high # Dodgers card of CC. But there's no Cub card of CC, though. His Cub stint fell through the cracks, for card purposes, like many players with many teams. Won't we all be enriched, being able to see CC on a Cubs card? Interestingly enough, the Fregosi-Ryan trade was completed a week before the Dodgers picked up CC from the Cubs. Yet Fregosi appears with his old team in the '72 set. That's because JF was included in the first series, and that series was already printed by the time he was traded to the Mets. So the non-existence of a CC Topps Cub card is as much a quirk of fate as anything else. Had Topps committed to including CC in the first series of '72 cards, his card would've been in a Cubs uni. [fimg=333]http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTI1Nlg5NTc=/z/pqIAAOSwu4BVjCBj/$_57.JPG[/fimg]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I disapprove of fake cards in this context. Dan Norman never played for the Reds in the big leagues and neither did Scarce. So are they not interlopers too? You were supposed to identify all the interlopers in the same post, but yeah, Scarce and Norman are two of them. Norman came to the Mets without any Major League experience and Scarce spent two years in the Reds system without ever making the big club. Any other interlopers out there? I think there are. I'm impressed that you knew those were fake cards from memory alone. If I saw a card from my elementary school collecting days that I never saw before, I would first assume that it's a card I never acquired rather than a fake. The Scarce card is obviously fake, though. There's a topps watermark on the photo, and the font used for the name isn't the right one. The Norman fake looks accurate, detail-wise. Why don't you like the fake cards here? Do you disapprove of them in the interloper game, or do you disapprove of them under any conditions?

I had lots of cards from this year and can spot the fakes (interlopers?) immediately. [fimg=266]https://c4.staticflickr.com/4/3709/19127879592_155df6bf6a_o.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=266]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/550/19117684606_6e2279aae2_o.jpg[/fimg] Here's a hint, which may or not be helpful, which might throw you off the trail or put you on the trail -- because with me, you never know: We're looking for interlopers, not fake cards. Fake cards aren't necessarily interlopers, though they could be. Here's another fake '77, yet Seaver isn't an interloper. See? OE -- BTW, there's 19 fake cards in the OP.

Zvon wrote: The Redmen got you workin' overtime. Who made the Bob Johnson? I like his taste in backgrounds. I used the same one in a recent update of Dick Smith. [fimg=300]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/363/19136922571_ef5fbe42f9_o.jpg[/fimg][fimg=300]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Jff0WcrnNZA/VYeHYNgTEGI/AAAAAAAAZ5c/dHbskKG18To/s740/64mfcDickSmith-z15nw.png[/fimg] I don't remember where I got the Johnson from. I've had it on my PC for awhile, now. But that's some coincidence. About the background.

I had lots of cards from this year and can spot the fakes (interlopers?) immediately. [fimg=266]https://c4.staticflickr.com/4/3709/19127879592_155df6bf6a_o.jpg[/fimg] [fimg=266]https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/550/19117684606_6e2279aae2_o.jpg[/fimg] Here's a hint, which may or not be helpful, which might throw you off the trail or put you on the trail -- because with me, you never know: We're looking for interlopers, not fake cards. Fake cards aren't necessarily interlopers, though they could be. Here's another fake '77, yet Seaver isn't an interloper. See?

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Always a good day when someone puts a Dick pic on the Internet. I don;t get the "interloper" game. Are we looking for guys who weren't Mets or weren't Reds? Either way. If they're not connected to the Mets and the Reds, they're interlopers. And by connection, I mean played, coached or managed for the big clubs.