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Are the CPF-ers really happy with Rick Down? If not, who would you rather see as Mets batting coach? Just curious. Later

Gee, I remember when Washington was a highly regarded infield prospect for LA, and I wanted the Mets to get him. Later

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Then let's throw it back to Edgy to let him explain his intent, rather than our interpretations of what he may have meant. Later

="Iubitul"]I think 62 is mistaking Kiner for Frank Thomas. Guilty, your honor. But my point stands. I thought this thread was about Mets players. And the esteemed Mr. Kiner doesn't qualify in that regard, no matter the huge part he has played in Mets lore. Later

SteveJRogers wrote: Wally Whitehurst Had as many Total Bases as Sacrifices (18) during his major league career. (314 - point of order. Kiner never wore a Mets uniform, but he did visit us here at the CPF a few months ago) Galen Cisco. Later

Neither Bonds nor Floyd is going to remind us of Cal Ripken Jr. when it comes to staying in the lineup. No to Bonds, thanks. And no to Cliff. Lee would look very nice out there. 314, betcha' I didn't like Bonds before you (didn't). I've posted a story about a scouting report on him when he still was in College. Later

In Blazing Saddles, Mel Brooks spoofed the Jewish "Lost Tribe" legend by having the Indians speak Yiddish. But he also alluded to the Anti-Irish sentiment of the (I'll guess) 1890s in one scene. The railroad workers meet with the townspeople to try to unite to save the town from the railroad barrons who want to build the railroad through their town. The workers say they will help, in exchange for land of their own in the saved town. The mayor says (something like), "We'll take the Chinks (Chineese) and Niggers (no explanation necessary), but no Irish." Then he relents by saying "Wellll, all right". Later

Nymr83 wrote: you could just put "Later" as the top line of your signature Nope. I've explained before that "later" means to me that I really hope to see/ talk to you again at some future time. To make it automatic would defeat the purpose of being friendly. Later

Sometimes I post something, think I'm done, then go look for additional stuff elsewhere (like the Feliciano transactions). I find it, come back to the original thread and don't notice I'd already put "Later" in there. So I do it again. Either that, or senility is really kicking in. Thanks for noticing. Uh,.... Later

="Frayed Knot"]]I also think that Feliciano, Zambrano and Parra (once activated from the 60 day DL) are also eligible. Nope, none of them are 6-year players. Now the Mets could (probably will in the case of Zambrano & Parra) cut any or all of them loose thus making them FAs, but none are in position to declare themselves to be one on their own. I think Feliciano may be a different case. Here are his transactions prior to being signed again by the Mets this year: December 16, 2002: Released by the Detroit Tigers. April 3, 2003: Signed as a Free Agent with the New York Mets. December 20, 2003: Granted Free Agency. December 21, 2003: Signed as a Free Agent with the New York Mets. January 24, 2005: Purchased by the Fukuoka Daiei Hawks (Japan Pacific) from the New York Mets. I believe his having been released and having been a free agent before, and the fact that the Mets signed him for a one-year contract this year means they no longer have an option on his services, unless one was specifically put into this contract. The 6 year rule has nothing to do with his situation. But you may be right on the others. Later Later

From Gammons' blog... Some baseball and media officials groused when the Cardinals opened the gates in the eighth inning and allowed thousands of fans to come in off the street to see the Cardinals -- those Cardinals most of their grandparents loved -- win. Two years earlier, in the fourth (and final) game of the 2004 series, that same management opened the gates at the old Busch Stadium so more than a thousand Red Sox fans could finally see their team win the World Series. That's a franchise that respects the game, not just their own fans. Kinda' cool. Later

It appears that playing for Frank Robinson has matured him. No more of the reported grousing about being moved to a new position. He moved and did well at it. And I've read that when they were both with the Yankees, he and Randolph got along very well. Other than the strikeouts, why not? The positives seem to outweigh that one negative I had about him. Later

cooby wrote: Buddy wuz robbed He did a lot of robbery himself. I've seen all the shortstops in both leagues since the days of Phil Rizzuto, and Bud was the best I ever saw at tracking down pop flies, fair and foul, down the third base line. He must have turned dozens of would-be strikes and potential doubles into outs where most other shortstops couldn't have. Later

HahnSolo wrote: Mike Marshall (the pitcher)? Pitched in 106 games with over 200 innings in relief for LA one year. Mike Marshall (the hitter) Later

Yancy Street Gang wrote: Other long Gloveless stretches were 1962 through 1969, 1972 through 1979, and 1990 through 1996. Anyone who saw those teams doesn't have to wonder why. I think Bud Harrelson deserved one in '68. But he lost time in the service and playing onlly 109 games may have hurt his chances. Later

Edgy DC wrote: By "Parra," do we mean "Padilla"? Yes. So, how do you answer the questions? And who is this "we" of whom you spoke? Later

Yancy Street Gang wrote: You're missing Bradford. I read today that Omar wants to talk contracts with Hernandez and Bradford, in addition to Glavine and Wille Randolph. I saw that Bradford, and Oliver had filed, but they weren't on that list (which I found through a link on the official MLB players website). I also think that Feliciano, Zambrano and Parra (once activated from the 60 day DL) are also eligible. They can be added to the conversation. Hernandez, Oliver, Bradford and Feliciano are the only ones I'd be interested in keeping. Later

One list of Mets Free Agents I found included the following names: Cliff Floyd Orlando Hernandez Ricky Ledee Steve Trachsel Michael Tucker* Jose Valentin* Chris Woodward* * = have formally filed to become free agents. And we've read that Tom Glavine has a mutual option in his contract, with negotiations reportedly underway to bring him back. Which ones would you want back? Which ones do you think Omar will try to re-sign? Later

After reading the posts above, I began thinking, "what is a Hoya"? When I found this in Wilkepedia, I saw that the question is redundant: ]"What is a Hoya" The University admits that the precise origin of the term "Hoya" is unknown. [1] The official story is that at some point prior to 1920, students well-versed in the classical languages invented the Greek hoia or hoya, meaning "what" or "such", and the Latin saxa, to form "What Rocks!" Depending on who tells the story, the "rocks" either refer to the baseball team, which was nicknamed the "Stonewalls" after the Civil War, to the stalwart defense of the football team, or to the stone wall that surrounded the campus. [2] In 1920, students began publishing the campus's first regular newspaper under the name The Hoya, after successfully petitioning Rev. Coleman Nevils, S.J., Dean of the College, to change the name of the young paper, which was originally to be known as The Hilltopper. By the fall of 1928, the newspaper had taken to referring to the sports teams (then called the Hilltoppers in reference to Georgetown's geography) as the Hoyas. Dean Nevils's former school, College of the Holy Cross, also refers to the term "Hoya" in one of its fight songs, as does a third Jesuit school, Marquette University. Big East opponents, whose schools tend to have more concrete nicknames, have long used "What's a Hoya?" as a chant to mock Georgetown. [3] Later

Free Agent question moved to spinoff thread. Later

seawolf17 wrote: 62, wouldn't he be the first one on that list? Look at the third paragraph. Looks like you're right, Wolf. I missed that when I scanned the article. And, Attention Scarlet. The book might be a reference for the project you are working on. Later

Jesse Gonder - hit .302 in his first year with the Mets (1963). Ron Hunt Later

Interesting, because according to "Only The Ball Was White", Robert Peterson's history of the Negro Leagues (Prentice-Hall, 1970), there were only three players named Simmons associated with NL baseball, and he wasn't one of them. He lists: Simmons, (no first name found), P- 1926 Lincoln Giants Simmons, JR, 1887 Player, Baltimore Simmons, RS, 1943-49 officer, Chicago American Giants Silas makes it #4. Later

Led the National League in ERA in 1974. Mike Jorgenson Later