="Gwreck"] Compare to Edgar Martinez, who you listed as "borderline:" 2247 career hits, .312 AVG, .418 career OBP. 309 HRs. 2 batting crowns, 1 2nd place. Led league in runs once, RBI once, doubles twice. Over .300 in 10 of the 12 full seasons he had. Of course he also never played the field. I'd probably vote for Martinez and not for Larkin. Getting up on my soap box here. Nothing against you, wreck, but that comment was as good a place to start as any. The Hall of Fame rules say that voters can vote for "pitchers" and "players". (Other than execs, umps, etc.) It does not say "pitchers" and "hitters". When I think of a "player" wrt the Hall, I think of a complete player. That means that in my mind, a player must exhibit all of the so-called five tools. You all know, they are hit, hit with power, run, field and throw. So, how can a person who never fields or throws even be considered for the Hall? After all, its not the Hall of Numbers. Just because certain major leaguers had the luck to play in a league where they didn't have to expose their defensive deficiences while at the same time accumulate statistics, it doesn't mean they shold be in the same Hall as players who put it all on the line. end of rant against that stupid rule. Later