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Not bashing. Just saying. Add me to the group who didn't want to see a deal that drained the farm of key prospects. As Edgy said, no news = good news. Later

Valadius wrote: Arizona Asps: S. Drew SS G. Parra LF J. Upton RF M. Reynolds 3B M. Montero C R. Roberts 2B J. Whitesell 1B C. Young CF D. Davis P Compared to that, the Mets' lineup is going to look half-asped. Later

Omar's like the ugly girl - all alone by the telephone - waiting for a call inviting her to the dance. Later

="Farmer Ted":1md20mfn]Minny lands Orlando Cabrera from the A's. I never understood the Orlando attraction.[/quote:1md20mfn] What was confusing about EPCOT? The trade was for a kid shortstop named Ladendorf (sp?). No link yet. Later Valadius Jul 31 2009 01:25 PM Joe Beimel traded to Rockies. Nymr83 Jul 31 2009 01:27 PM Victor Martinez to Boston, Adam LaRoche to the Braves in two seperate but related deals. Nymr83 Jul 31 2009 01:28 PM Jerry Hairston jr. to the Evil Empire Fman99 Jul 31 2009 01:29 PM Aw we're just sitting on our dongs doing nothing! C'mon, Omar. When you're done offending white people get on the stick, get us another arm/bat. Edgy DC Jul 31 2009 01:30 PM No news = good news. Nymr83 Jul 31 2009 01:30 PM What did I miss? when was Omar "offending white people"? Valadius Jul 31 2009 01:30 PM Okay - Boston still has an overload of corner infielders. Now they have Youkilis, Mike Lowell, V-Mart, and Casey Kotchman. One of them can be had. Valadius Jul 31 2009 01:32 PM Heath Bell may be headed to the Dodgers. John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 31 2009 01:34 PM Apparently a deal that would send Bell to the Marlins fell though. Another deal discussing Bell & Adrian Gonzo to the Dodgers for Loney + Fman99 Jul 31 2009 01:39 PM ="Nymr83":mq4iuo9l]What did I miss? when was Omar "offending white people"?[/quote:mq4iuo9l] Just Rubin. Valadius Jul 31 2009 01:39 PM Rolen to the Reds. metirish Jul 31 2009 01:40 PM SI_JonHeyman: rolen has been traded to the reds. he just has to waive his no trade clause. indy boy cant turn down cincy, can he? John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 31 2009 01:40 PM Scott Rolen to the Reds. "Mets aren;t doing anything" Heyman adds bmfc1 Jul 31 2009 01:42 PM ="Edgy DC":f3ne8dnq]No news = good news.[/quote:f3ne8dnq] Why? Are the Mets are such a powerhouse that they can't be improved or a trade would be a mistake, a la Zambrano/Kazmir, given their place in the standings, or you don't trust Omar to make a deal that's good for the Mets. Omar should do something to show the team that management believes they can still make the playoffs. It maybe symbolic but it's a vote of confidence. metirish Jul 31 2009 01:45 PM ="bmfc1":12wu0gbu]="Edgy DC":12wu0gbu]No news = good news.[/quote:12wu0gbu] Why? Are the Mets are such a powerhouse that they can't be improved or a trade would be a mistake, a la Zambrano/Kazmir, given their place in the standings, or you don't trust Omar to make a deal that's good for the Mets. Omar should do something to show the team that management believes they can still make the playoffs. It maybe symbolic but it's a vote of confidence.[/quote:12wu0gbu] I'd like some action too but this team is more than one impact player away ,don't you think? Nymr83 Jul 31 2009 01:46 PM The Reds have reportedly traded for Scott Roleb, subject to Rolen's approval(NT Clause) Valadius Jul 31 2009 01:48 PM Sean Smith to the Jays. Fman99 Jul 31 2009 01:49 PM Nationals deal Joe Biemel to Colorado for two minor leaguers. Edgy DC Jul 31 2009 01:49 PM ="bmfc1"]="Edgy DC"]No news = good news. Why? Are the Mets are such a powerhouse that they can't be improved or a trade would be a mistake, a la Zambrano/Kazmir, given their place in the standings, or you don't trust Omar to make a deal that's good for the Mets. Omar should do something to show the team that management believes they can still make the playoffs. It maybe symbolic but it's a vote of confidence. I think many trades can do more harm than good. I don't think that trading at the deadline shows belief that a team can make the playoffs. I think it shows belief that it can't without mystical craftiness. And mystical craftiness too often turns out to be hokum. Valadius Jul 31 2009 01:50 PM Hairston deal apparently sends the vaunted Austin Jackson to Cincy. bmfc1 Jul 31 2009 01:50 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 31 2009 01:51 PM ="metirish":3c3fy6qu]I'd like some action too but this team is more than one impact player away ,don't you think?[/quote:3c3fy6qu] Unless the one player is Babe Ruth, yes I agree but I'd be happy with something minor, such as Aubrey Huff. The Mets were supposed to be after a lefty RP but Joe Beimel went to Colorado for 2 minor leaguers. Edgy DC Jul 31 2009 01:50 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 31 2009 01:51 PM I'm hoping that the Mets acquire Carlos Beltran, Carlos Delgado, John Maine, Jose Reyes and Billy Wagner and give up nothing. Not too many teams have a chance to do that. metirish Jul 31 2009 01:51 PM MFY's apparently sent Austin Jackson to Cincy in that deal , is he a highly touted prospect? bmfc1 Jul 31 2009 01:52 PM lenno212 No #Mets lineup yet. Hmm. Last time this happened, Church was sent to Atlanta. Nymr83 Jul 31 2009 01:52 PM ="metirish":1kmxpyuu]MFY's apparently sent Austin Jackson to Cincy in that deal , is he a highly touted prospect?[/quote:1kmxpyuu] yes. kinda suprised hairston was worth that much. metirish Jul 31 2009 01:53 PM the buzz around Citi Field continues to suggest the Mets will not be making any major deals today� �in fact, as reporters file in to the ballpark, they�ll encounter team officials, media reps, etc., and if something was going down we�d probably have known about it by now� �in the end, i believe the Mets had options, but they chose to hang on to their top prospects, knowing a) players will be available on the waiver wire, and getting Jose Reyes, Carlos Delgado, Carlos Beltran and Billy Wagner is better than any one trade they could have possibly made� metsblog metirish Jul 31 2009 01:55 PM ="Nymr83":2llmme19]="metirish":2llmme19]MFY's apparently sent Austin Jackson to Cincy in that deal , is he a highly touted prospect?[/quote:2llmme19] yes. kinda suprised hairston was worth that much.[/quote:2llmme19] not true now apparently.......I was wary of this becasue this guy gets mentioned in every big deal that's talked about for them.....close to untouchable bmfc1 Jul 31 2009 02:03 PM Edgy's happy but I'm not. Omar confirms my opinion that he is an awful in-season GM. He can wine, dine, schmooze, and attract big name FAs but for the second year in a row, he failed to make a deadline deal to help the team. metirish Jul 31 2009 02:04 PM ck Johnson to the Marlins per fox sports Edgy DC Jul 31 2009 02:08 PM ="bmfc1"]Edgy's happy but I'm not. Omar confirms my opinion that he is an awful in-season GM. He can wine, dine, schmooze, and attract big name FAs but for the second year in a row, he failed to make a deadline deal to help the team. Awful GMs make deals that hurt teams. "You've gotta know when to hold." --- K. Rogers Nymr83 Jul 31 2009 02:09 PM Johnson to the Marlins for AA-lefty Aaron Thompson. never heard of him. bmfc1 Jul 31 2009 02:10 PM Does that mean that Omar is an awful GM? Good GMs get creative to help their teams. Omar certainly isn't a good GM. Is someone going to start an IGT with a clever name. The lineup is in. Edgy DC Jul 31 2009 02:13 PM ="bmfc1"]Does that mean that Omar is an awful GM? Does what mean that? ]Good GMs get creative to help their teams. Trades aren't the only way to help a team. Often, perhaps half the time or more, not trading has helped a team more. Nymr83 Jul 31 2009 02:13 PM ="Nymr83":28x0vm8e]Johnson to the Marlins for AA-lefty Aaron Thompson. never heard of him.[/quote:28x0vm8e] and the Nats are paying the salary. wow, are the marlins the cheapest franchise on earth or what? metirish Jul 31 2009 02:14 PM I'd rather do nothing than trade for a Huff or Scott Downs for the bullpen...... Valadius Jul 31 2009 02:14 PM I started the IGT already. bmfc1 Jul 31 2009 02:14 PM Do you think that Omar is incapable of making a good trade so any trade would be bad? Frayed Knot Jul 31 2009 02:15 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 31 2009 02:18 PM ="Valadius":nlpyoup8]Hairston deal apparently sends the vaunted Austin Jackson to Cincy.[/quote:nlpyoup8] Wow! Not a sure-fire future star but is potentially one and he's a guy they spent a decent signing bonus on in order to wrest him away from a hoops scholarship (Arizona I think) --- sounds like a lot to spend for essentially a good utility man. Essentially this is the price paid for Brent Gardener breaking his hand (finger?) last week. Ceetar Jul 31 2009 02:16 PM metsblog mentioned it earlier, and I noticed it last night, but apparently the Yankees are having money concerns? Supposedly they balked at the idea of paying Bannister's 650k salary. Edgy DC Jul 31 2009 02:16 PM ="bmfc1":1ihptp6l]Do you think that Omar is incapable of making a good trade so any trade would be bad?[/quote:1ihptp6l] No. I don't think he or anybody is incapable of making a good trade. I'm still trying to figure out the last question. Nymr83 Jul 31 2009 02:17 PM Scott Rolen has reportedly waived his no trade clause and escaped hockey loving Canada to play baseball in Cincinatti. metirish Jul 31 2009 02:18 PM ="Frayed Knot":11hlah5p]="Valadius":11hlah5p]Hairston deal apparently sends the vaunted Austin Jackson to Cincy.[/quote:11hlah5p] Wow![/quote:11hlah5p] That was posted and then I posted it here but apparently it's not true. bmfc1 Jul 31 2009 02:19 PM And I'm trying to figure out why the GM of a team under .500 with hopes of making the playoffs couldn't make a trade. Edgy--I'm not going to continue this but congrats to you that nothing was done. If they make the playoffs, I'll eat crow and buy you a drink. Nymr83 Jul 31 2009 02:24 PM ="bmfc1":pmjfgign]And I'm trying to figure out why the GM of a team under .500 with hopes of making the playoffs couldn't make a trade. Edgy--I'm not going to continue this but congrats to you that nothing was done. If they make the playoffs, I'll eat crow and buy you a drink.[/quote:pmjfgign] even if they don't make the playoffs they've done fine not making a trade unless they miss the playoffs by a number of games that the potentially traded-for player would have won them. trading for Nick Johnson and missing the playoffs by 2 games instead of missing it by 4 without him only hurts the team's farm system. I look at net games back and i don't see a team that should trade even a small part of the future for help in 2009. if the guy you were acquiring would still be under contract for 2010 thats another issue, but this shouldnt be treated as a 'win now' team Nymr83 Jul 31 2009 02:26 PM Heyman is reporting that Peavy has been dealt to the White Sox again, no word on if he has agreed to it this time. Frayed Knot Jul 31 2009 02:27 PM I propose we trade Sullivan and/or Reed, plus Berroa and Cancel for Reyes, Beltran & Delgado sometime in the next few weeks. That'll improve the team. Edgy DC Jul 31 2009 02:28 PM ="bmfc1":488nciud]And I'm trying to figure out why the GM of a team under .500 with hopes of making the playoffs couldn't make a trade.[/quote:488nciud] Because, in theory, the only available trades may have hurt them in the long term more than helped them in the short term. Or hurt them flat out. John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 31 2009 02:33 PM Jake PV to the White Sox: This time it's for real. Edgy DC Jul 31 2009 02:33 PM Fo nucking way! metirish Jul 31 2009 02:34 PM Big guns that didn't go Halladay and Gonzalez duan Jul 31 2009 02:37 PM as everyone else has rightly pointed out, the pieces that this team needs are the ones that are on the DL, if heaven forbid, we're back IN a race over the next two weeks, there's plenty of time then to get an Aubrey Huff type power bat who'll float through waivers cause of salary. I don't see anyone out there who got traded that I think would have helped a healthy mets team bar Victor Martinez, Jake Peavy & Cliff Lee.I don't think we were really in the race to get them and they all have plenty of limitations. Frayed Knot Jul 31 2009 03:05 PM ="metirish"]="Frayed Knot"]="Valadius"]Hairston deal apparently sends the vaunted Austin Jackson to Cincy. Wow! That was posted and then I posted it here but apparently it's not true. Well then never mind my above rant. The truth apparently: The Reds received minor league catcher Chase Weems in the deal. The 20-year-old Weems was batting .260 with a homer and 14 RBIs in 55 games with Class-A Charleston this season. He was picked in the sixth round of the 2007 draft. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 31 2009 03:11 PM ="Edgy DC"]="bmfc1"]Edgy's happy but I'm not. Omar confirms my opinion that he is an awful in-season GM. He can wine, dine, schmooze, and attract big name FAs but for the second year in a row, he failed to make a deadline deal to help the team. Awful GMs make deals that hurt teams. "You've gotta know when to hold." --- K. Rogers Hear, hear. I'm in Edge's corner on this. They moved the Peavy? Those crazy bastards! (A LOT of good young arms on the Pods now.) Nymr83 Jul 31 2009 03:22 PM Peavy was a good young arm, and under contract a few more years, I don't know who they got yet but its hard to believe its worth it for a guy you're not about to lose. Farmer Ted Jul 31 2009 03:55 PM Which of the three...Washburn, Peavy, or Halladay...will be with the Mets next year? MFS62 Jul 31 2009 04:13 PM Omar's like the ugly girl - all alone by the telephone - waiting for a call inviting her to the dance. Later smg58 Jul 31 2009 05:01 PM Minaya could very easily have been told not to take on more payroll for this season, so I wouldn't point the finger too quickly. I actually think the fact that Halladay is still a Jay is a good thing -- assuming you can wait until the offseason to obtain him. Peavy is guaranteed $52M over the next 3 seasons and is now an established injury risk who'll fail to reach 175 IP for the second straight year. I'm perfectly OK with passing on him. I wouldn't have minded V-Mart, though. metirish Jul 31 2009 05:51 PM I just don't get the Minaya bashing today , if he had traded for Francouer today would the people who are unhappy be happy with that? I read in one of the rags the other day.....Madden I think it was proclaiming that Minaya NEEDED to get Halladay to change the subject around the team. Could you blame the guy if he did that , make a splash trade for the sake of it? , I'd love to have a Halladay or a Peavey but would have preferred V Martinez. At what cost though would they have come for? I'm not upset that we didn't get middle of the road players and never expected top tier players so i am not disappointed. MFS62 Jul 31 2009 06:14 PM Not bashing. Just saying. Add me to the group who didn't want to see a deal that drained the farm of key prospects. As Edgy said, no news = good news. Later seawolf17 Jul 31 2009 06:19 PM I actually would have liked to see them move some guys, like Livan or Schneider, even if just for middling prospects. But I'm okay with inaction too. Let's get healthy, fellas! Nymr83 Aug 01 2009 12:53 AM ESPN had the Pirates deals put together for convenience ]IN: RHP Nathan Adcock, RHP Tim Alderson, RHP Jose Ascanio, SS Ronny Cedeno, 1B Jeff Clement, SS Argenis Diaz, RHP Joel Hanrahan, RHP Kevin Hart, OF Gorkys Hernandez, RHP Jeff Locke, RHP Brett Lorin, OF Lastings Milledge, RHP Charlie Morton, RHP Aaron Pribanic, RHP Hunter Strickland OUT: RHP Sean Burnett, LHP Tom Gorzelanny, LHP John Grabow, OF Eric Hinske, 1B Adam LaRoche, OF Nate McLouth, OF Nyjer Morgan, INF Freddy Sanchez, RHP Ian Snell, SS Jack Wilson dgwphotography Aug 01 2009 05:17 AM Personally, I'm glad Omar didn't make any deals. This team is too many players away from contending right now, and I just didn't want him to do any more damage.... As FK said, trading Sullivan, Reed, plus Berroa and Cancel for Reyes, Beltran & Delgado sometime in the next few weeks would be the best trade possible... metirish Aug 01 2009 07:52 AM Minaya ] �As a general manager, I�ve been six games out before, and it�s kind of hard to go out and make a trade,� Minaya said. �And you guys know our situation. The situation is not one player. Our situation is a couple players.� In the clubhouse, no one seemed concerned that he might be traded � or, for that matter, that anyone else would be. Only a few players lounged on couches watching updates on the MLB Network, as many more bolted outside to fly a remote-controlled helicopter Wright ] �I don�t think the reason for our record being what it is is that we needed one more piece,� David Wright said. �It�s that we played poorly at times and we�re pretty banged up. We�re not one piece away that�s going to put us over the top at the trade deadline. It�s not like we�re not going to get more than that when we get these guys healthy.� Rockin' Doc Aug 01 2009 09:04 AM No one player was going to suddenly put this team over the top. Injuries have been the story of this season. All teams get hit with injuries and must work to overcome them, the Mets have unfortunately been with a rash of long term injuries to a multitiude of their key players. I'm more disappointed at the lost opportunity to see how good this team could have been this season had they not been decimated with injuries, than I am over the absence of any desperate trades in hopes of miraculously putting this team into contention. Vince Coleman Firecracker Aug 01 2009 10:41 AM I'm with Seawolf. Would have liked to see Omar sell off a few players. Valadius Aug 01 2009 11:25 AM I would have liked to see another lefty for the bullpen, at least. Edgy DC Aug 01 2009 11:51 AM We have Misch, and we're getting Wagner, and I'm uncertain anybody else will have made a difference worth giving somebody up for, except that maybe Manuel may trust an import more than he does Misch. Valadius Aug 01 2009 12:33 PM Honestly, I don't think Misch knows how to get Jerry to trust him enough to get him in a meaningful game. Edgy DC Aug 01 2009 01:44 PM And if our issue is that it takes a trade for Manuel to give somebody a chance who may or may not be better than a pitcher he's got rotting in the back of the bullpen, its' not a trade we should be clamoring for. metirish Aug 01 2009 04:33 PM ="Valadius":oqm0lk9w]Honestly, I don't think Misch knows how to get Jerry to trust him enough to get him in a meaningful game.[/quote:oqm0lk9w] What is this " Days of our Lives"? Frayed Knot Aug 01 2009 08:37 PM Back to the Pirates for a sec; 3 HRs for McCutcheon today (and power is supposed to be his weakest suit). Would have been nice to see him in an OF [u:3uw4r55j]WITH[/u:3uw4r55j] McLouth and a few of the others. btw, they brought up Milledge as one of the guys tying to fill all these newly created spots. Fman99 Aug 01 2009 09:15 PM ="Frayed Knot":qeskhzrl]Back to the Pirates for a sec; 3 HRs for McCutcheon today (and power is supposed to be his weakest suit). Would have been nice to see him in an OF [u:qeskhzrl]WITH[/u:qeskhzrl] McLouth and a few of the others. btw, they brought up Milledge as one of the guys tying to fill all these newly created spots.[/quote:qeskhzrl] Good, I am still rooting for LMillz and his gangsta ass. Valadius Aug 02 2009 07:55 AM My most lasting memory of Lastings: Nymr83 Aug 02 2009 08:07 AM ="Valadius":narzpqw5]My most lasting memory of Lastings[/quote:narzpqw5] first drink my ass. Valadius Aug 02 2009 08:23 AM ="Nymr83":1zjqc8zc]="Valadius":1zjqc8zc]My most lasting memory of Lastings[/quote:1zjqc8zc] first drink my ass.[/quote:1zjqc8zc] Exactly.

Here's the story: Jackhammers Fire Wally Backman Submitted by smallballusa on Thu, 07/30/2009 - 18:08 JOLIET, IL-The Joliet JackHammers have announced that Wally Backman has been relieved of his duties as field manager of the team effective immediately. Backman will be replaced by former Joliet hitting coach Ira Smith, who will serve as the team�s interim manager for the remainder of the 2009 season. �The fans in Joliet deserve a winner,� said Backman. �I�m disappointed that we could not get the job done.� Backman departs with the JackHammers in sixth place in the Northern League with a 24-42 record. Smith comes back to Joliet after serving as Hal Lanier�s hitting coach during the 2006 and 2007 seasons. He began his coaching career with the Lincoln Saltdogs in 2004 as their bench coach and moved to the role of hitting coach in 2005 before spending two years with the JackHammers. He began a 14-year playing career when he was selected by the Los Angeles Dodgers in the 1990 draft. Reaching AAA in the Padres and Tigers organizations, Smith first played in the Northern League in 1999 with Duluth-Superior. He logged five seasons in the Northern League (Sioux City, 2000-2001; Winnipeg, 2002; and Sioux City-Lincoln, 2003) before starting his coaching career in 2004. Smith will join the team on Friday when the JackHammers begin a three-game series with the Fargo-Moorhead RedHawks at Silver Cross Field. �We want to thank Wally for all that he has done and all the hard work he has put in,� said JackHammers Executive Vice President/General Manager Kelly Sufka. �He has done everything we�ve asked him to do except for in the Win-Loss Column. Nobody is more disappointed with the teams� record than Wally. A change needed to be made for our fans sake and this is the change that we believe needed to happen.� The JackHammers are home this weekend to start a three-game series with the Fargo-Moorhead RedHawks beginning on Friday, July 31 at 7:05 p.m. Come out to the ballpark for fireworks sponsored by Aramark after the game! For tickets, or for more information, please contact them TODAY at 815.726.2255 (BALL), visit their website www.jackhammerbaseball.com Later

After tonight's game, an ESPN "expert" was saying that Victor Martinez would be an excellent fit for the Mets. (Didn't catch the name, but it may have been Andrew Marchand). He added that he didn't think it was too likely. But it would make sense to me - against lefties playiing first with Santos catching and catching with Murphy at first against righties. (Yeah, I know, Murph hits lefties pretty well. But the Mets need that thumper.) Later

Oops. Meant L. Hernandez. Later

Caught the tail end of a sound byte on radio that O. Hernandez has been scratched from his next start. Anyone confirm that? Is he being dealt? Later

CSB has more hair than I do. Later

In those youth leagues, the best athlete, or at least the one with the best arm other than pitchers, usually plays shortstop. In the first post in this thread, I mentioned that they project him to weigh 240 pounds, definitely not a shortstop. But, about his speed, his last home run this year was an inside-the-parker. No reports if the outfielder needed medical attention. Later

Ceetar wrote: With all the new amenities, couldn't they set up a delivery room at Citi Field? Rick Peterson couldn't make it back in time to check out her delivery. Later

="Mex17":1tvxjr2y]="MFS62":1tvxjr2y]Matthews knows boxing. That's it.[/quote:1tvxjr2y] And boxing is a dead sport. so that is not even anything. Matthews probably cringes over the fact that Newsday's sports editor is an MMA fan (I know this for a fact).[/quote:1tvxjr2y] Mex, that wasn't me. It was someone else quoting me. I wouldn't give him any credit for knowing anything. If anyone should be checking out that website for a douchebag name (see other forum) it's Wally. Later

="Frayed Knot":mkjbm9g8]Wouldn't be ours either.[/quote:mkjbm9g8] Yup. Later Frayed Knot Jul 30 2009 07:52 AM And I know this is a typo, but at the moment it's better than the Harry Chiti trade: According to BB-Ref -- July 29: Rockies trade Jason Hirsh to the Rockies for a player to be named. I do hope Hirsch turns out to be that player. Nymr83 Jul 30 2009 07:54 AM I'm not saying he's all that great, just that he's better than the free agent options this offseason. list according to mlbtraderumors.com ]Rich Aurilia (38) Russell Branyan (34) Miguel Cairo (36) Frank Catalanotto (36) - $5MM club option with a $2MM buyout Tony Clark (38) Carlos Delgado (38) Nomar Garciaparra (36) Ross Gload (34) - $2.6MM club option Eric Hinske (32) Nick Johnson (31) Adam LaRoche (30) Doug Mientkiewicz (36) Kevin Millar (38) Chad Tracy (30) - $7MM option with a $1MM buyout Daryle Ward (35) Dmitri Young (36) -$6MM option vests with 500 PAs in '09 Branyan is probably more risk and more upside, same with Johnson (in Johnson's case the "more upside" is he's better, the "more risk" is he gets hurt every year) i think the rest of these guys are flat out worse than Overbay, Nymr83 Jul 30 2009 07:55 AM ="Frayed Knot"]And I know this is a typo, but at the moment it's better than the Harry Chiti trade: According to BB-Ref -- July 29: Rockies trade Jason Hirsh to the Rockies for a player to be named. I do hope Hirsch turns out to be that player. he's actually been traded to the Yankees, and given his numbers in AAA this year i hope they plan on using him soon. Edgy DC Jul 30 2009 08:01 AM Let's review. The Bucs have traded their firstbaseman, secondbaseman, and shortstop, spared their thirdbaseman (for now), traded their leftfielder, spared thier centerfielder, and traded thier rightfielder. Their catcher stays. That's 5/8 of their lineup. On pitching, they've been gentler, trading their number four starter (Snell), their number three-ish reliever (Burnett) Joel Hanrahan is as good a mascot for this activity as any, as he actually won a game for the Nats while pitching for the Pirates. John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 30 2009 09:24 AM If Clement is arriving at Pittsburgh, any chance they also trade Doumit? smg58 Jul 30 2009 10:36 AM They traded their centerfielder to the Braves six weeks ago, too. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Doumit gets moved as well. Edgy DC Jul 30 2009 11:06 AM Yeah, I should've counted that three outfielders. Damn. metirish Jul 30 2009 11:09 AM Pirates president Coonelly explains fire sale Posted by: Jon Heyman Pirates president Frank Coonelly, who along with GM Neal Huntington may have the thickest skin in baseball, explained their fire sale in an interview with SI.com. "We feel very good about it. It's tough for the fans, and we understand why. It's tough to see players who were popular and did good things go. But we were not a winning baseball team with the players we had,'' Coonelly said. "Given the ages and service time of those players, if we attempted to patchwork things, we would have been in a very poor position. We would have had Jason Bay, Xavier Nady, Jack Wilson and potentially Freddy Sanchez (he has a vesting option) ready to leave as free agents and get nothing in return. "The reaction of some is negative. But I think most of the fans understand what we're doing and why we're doing it ... I think they understand why these moves are necessary for us to (facilitate) winning Pirates baseball.'' Coonelly won't quite say they are done dealing. Though after trading their longtime double-play combination of Wilson and Sanchez Wednesday following deals of Adam LaRoche and Nate McLouth, Coonelly did say, "We are very close to getting done.'' Reliever John Grabow has been coveted by several teams looking for left-handed bullpen help. So Coonelly can't guarantee the sale is complete. The Pirates received infielder Ronny Cedeno, minor-league hitter Jeff Clement and three Class-A pitching prospects in exchange for Wilson and pitcher Ian Snell, and got well-regarded pitching prospect Tim Alderson back from the Giants for Sanchez. While Giants fans were upset over the loss of Alderson, Coonelly wasn't gloating. Asked whether he thinks Giants fans are right that Alderson will be a star, Coonelly said, "Let's hope so. There's a long list of great prospects who never panned out, and just as long a list of prospects who weren't that highly thought of who became stars. We certainly like Tim.'' Clement, a former No. 3 overall pick, was once considered a big-time prospect. But there are questions now whether he can catch. He'll start as a first baseman in the Pirates organization Vic Sage Jul 30 2009 11:12 AM Doumit is 28, and is a decent defensive catcher with a 280/20 hr bat. I'd take him in a heartbeat, despite his ongoing injury issues. Edgy DC Jul 30 2009 11:25 AM Poor Andy LaRoche. He takes the field every day with an entirely new infield and outfield of borderline players and before he goes to bed looks himself in the mirror and wonders, "Am I not even good enough to trade? Not even to the Mets?" MFS62 Jul 30 2009 12:12 PM Caught the tail end of a sound byte on radio that O. Hernandez has been scratched from his next start. Anyone confirm that? Is he being dealt? Later bmfc1 Jul 30 2009 12:21 PM From Omar's (latest) presser today, as noted by [u:35nri8ss]The Daily News[/u:35nri8ss]: While Manuel said he does not anticipate any moves before tomorrow's trade deadline, Minaya said he's been talking to teams lately and "turned down a couple trades yesterday. Believe it or not, some pretty big names were presented." He also said he had one of his assistants calling another team today about an idea that came up "in the same way we got (Jeff) Francoeur." OlerudOwned Jul 30 2009 12:21 PM ="MFS62":2iteoljm]Caught the tail end of a sound byte on radio that O. Hernandez has been scratched from his next start. Anyone confirm that? Is he being dealt? Later[/quote:2iteoljm] Wait, who? John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 30 2009 12:22 PM Yeah, I think he was DFAed by the rangers a few weeks ago. MFS62 Jul 30 2009 12:31 PM Oops. Meant L. Hernandez. Later Frayed Knot Jul 30 2009 12:46 PM ="Edgy DC":3063ov4l]Poor Andy LaRoche. He takes the field every day with an entirely new infield and outfield of borderline players and before he goes to bed looks himself in the mirror and wonders, "Am I not even good enough to trade? Not even to the Mets?"[/quote:3063ov4l] Except that Andy was one of the guys they traded FOR in the course of their sell-offs. He came from the Dodgers in the three-way Bay/Manny deal. Edgy DC Jul 30 2009 12:48 PM That's so last season. We're talking this year's trades. Catch up. LaRoche is a longtimer now. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 30 2009 01:08 PM ="bmfc1":1t3ovh1v]From Omar's (latest) presser today, as noted by [u:1t3ovh1v]The Daily News[/u:1t3ovh1v]: While Manuel said he does not anticipate any moves before tomorrow's trade deadline, Minaya said he's been talking to teams lately and "turned down a couple trades yesterday. Believe it or not, some pretty big names were presented." He also said he had one of his assistants calling another team today about an idea that came up "in the same way we got (Jeff) Francoeur."[/quote:1t3ovh1v] Oh, Christ, that's scary. Edgy DC Jul 30 2009 01:21 PM Francoeur has been a great addition any way you cut it. Let's try and enjoy it. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 30 2009 01:35 PM ="Edgy DC":37h06uur]Francoeur has been a great addition any way you cut it. Let's try and enjoy it.[/quote:37h06uur] Make no mistake-- I'm enjoying it and him-- between the pluck and the arm and the exuberant country music as his AB-theme, he's tough to root against. That said... Following the same player-eval process that got him here would, in all likelihood, be a grievous mistake. Edgy DC Jul 30 2009 01:38 PM GREVIOUS!! Frayed Knot Jul 30 2009 01:41 PM I suspect what Omar meant was that an asst got wind of a name or two being available while chasing other info. IOW, they didn't necc go after Francoeur but were offered him in the course of persuing other business, not that they're looking for specifically for low-OBP hackers. Some of the best trades happen that way, such as the time Frank Cashen heard the words, "what about Hernandez?", come through his earpiece whilst chatting with the Cardinals about something completely different. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 30 2009 01:44 PM ="Edgy DC"]GREVIOUS!! Yes, grievous. ="Frayed Knot"]... such as the time Frank Cashen heard the words, "what about Hernandez?", come through his earpiece whilst chatting with the Cardinals about something completely different. Is that how the Hernandez trade happened? I dinna know. metirish Jul 30 2009 01:49 PM From a link Edgy linked? earlier from June 13 2004 ] INSIDE PITCH Mets General Manager JIM DUQUETTE said the team was still trying to add players through trades. Duquette has spoken with Kansas City General Manager ALLARD BAIRD about CARLOS BELTRAN, the Royals' center fielder, who will be a free agent after the season. The Mets would like to trade for Beltran, but are not looking to deal the third-base prospect DAVID WRIGHT. If the Mets landed Beltran, they would probably use him in right field and keep MIKE CAMERON in center. Beltran said Friday that he would not sign a long-term contract with a team that would not let him play center field. Frayed Knot Jul 30 2009 01:51 PM ="Nymr83"]="Frayed Knot"]And I know this is a typo, but at the moment it's better than the Harry Chiti trade: According to BB-Ref -- July 29: Rockies trade Jason Hirsh to the Rockies for a player to be named. I do hope Hirsch turns out to be that player. he's actually been traded to the Yankees, and given his numbers in AAA this year i hope they plan on using him soon. His 2009 minor league ERA stands at 6.66 -- is there any other team he could be traded to with those stats? LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 30 2009 01:56 PM ="Frayed Knot"]="Nymr83"]="Frayed Knot"]And I know this is a typo, but at the moment it's better than the Harry Chiti trade: According to BB-Ref -- July 29: Rockies trade Jason Hirsh to the Rockies for a player to be named. I do hope Hirsch turns out to be that player. he's actually been traded to the Yankees, and given his numbers in AAA this year i hope they plan on using him soon. His 2009 minor league ERA stands at 6.66 -- is there any other team he could be traded to with those stats? Fly ball pitcher in MFY Airport/National Bank! JACKPOT. Edgy DC Jul 30 2009 02:02 PM ="Frayed Knot":31ilqb25]I suspect what Omar meant was that an asst got wind of a name or two being available while chasing other info. IOW, they didn't necc go after Francoeur but were offered him in the course of persuing other business, not that they're looking for specifically for low-OBP hackers. Some of the best trades happen that way, such as the time Frank Cashen heard the words, "what about Hernandez?", come through his earpiece whilst chatting with the Cardinals about something completely different.[/quote:31ilqb25] That's my guess. Not very grevious. DocTee Jul 30 2009 05:16 PM Buccos continue bullimic purge, sending Grabow and Gorzelanny to Cubbies. Also, Dodgers land Orioles closer George Sherill to bolster bullpen. Nymr83 Jul 30 2009 06:11 PM ]Poor Andy LaRoche. He takes the field every day with an entirely new infield and outfield of borderline players and before he goes to bed looks himself in the mirror and wonders, "Am I not even good enough to trade? Not even to the Mets?" AND he gets to look over his shoulder every day as their top prospect is 3rd baseman Pedro Alvarez smg58 Jul 30 2009 07:53 PM ="DocTee":ijqu6ckw]Buccos continue bullimic purge, sending Grabow and Gorzelanny to Cubbies. Also, Dodgers land Orioles closer George Sherill to bolster bullpen.[/quote:ijqu6ckw] If the Cubs are stocking up on lefties, that might mean Sean Marshall is available. He'd be a good sleeper pickup assuming the Cubs aren't valuing him highly. Edgy DC Jul 30 2009 08:05 PM I count Capps, Doumit, Dukes, LaRouche, and Maholm still standing. One more day. Valadius Jul 30 2009 08:41 PM Rumor flying around: Mets talking trade with Cleveland and Tampa that might result in the prodigal son returning home. Yes, that's right - Scott Kazmir. [url:1g57httn]http://www.amazinavenue.com/2009/7/30/970076/rumor-mets-talking-3-way-deal-with?ref=yahoo[/url:1g57httn] John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 30 2009 08:54 PM Do not want. Edgy DC Jul 30 2009 09:12 PM Not on a bus. Not with a guy named Gus. Valadius Jul 30 2009 09:21 PM I would much rather have Victor Martinez come our way in that deal instead of to Tampa. Frayed Knot Jul 30 2009 09:28 PM Not to mention that it sounds like that "talk" essentially consists of one web site quoting another. IOW, the Fan-Boy Internet Press Scoop Association (FBIPSA) is in full trade-deadline mode. seawolf17 Jul 31 2009 07:31 AM I'd take Kazmir back. Frayed Knot Jul 31 2009 07:51 AM Pirates lineup on June 11, 2008: Nate McLouth CF Freddy Sanchez 2B Jason Bay LF Ryan Doumit C Xavier Nady RF Adam LaRoche 1B Jose Bautista 3B Jack Wilson SS Ian Snell P That's about 400 days - or only 200 baseball days - ago and yet only Ryan Doumit remains ... and that might only be because it's not 4 o'clock yet. The other thing about this process is that, with the exception of Andy LaRoche and a few back-end pitchers, I don't think any of the guys they dealt [u:1idne2hb]for[/u:1idne2hb] are on the major league roster yet. This whole experiment is going to be a huge wait-and-see project. Nymr83 Jul 31 2009 08:59 AM i like pittsburgh's approach though. the team just isnt very good as constituted and with the exception of Bay i don't consider any of those players to be of the irreplaceable variety. they took the necessary steps to rebuild, i hope ownership is patient enough with the manager and GM to see if it works rather than firing them in two years and letting the next guy reap the benefits of the trades. I think they did a very good job of selling high on a few of these guys, particularly McLouth and Sanchez. Edgy DC Jul 31 2009 09:20 AM They'll survive the season. It's a raw team but no rawer than what the Mets have sent out the last two months. PosGuyBAOBPSLGOPScRyan Doumit.255.324.398.7221bSteve Pearce.184.279.289.5682bDelwyn Young.316.381.427.8083bAndy LaRoche.256.330.372.702ssRonny Cedeno.167.213.290.503lfBrandon Moss.250.310.385.695cfAndrew McCutcheon.275.332.430.762rfGarret Jones.323.375.7291.104 John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 31 2009 09:53 AM Tigers trade for Jerrod Washburn, rumored for some time to be bound for the MFYs. Lefty pitchers Luke French and Mauricio Robles going to Seattle. Frayed Knot Jul 31 2009 11:08 AM ="Edgy DC":yh9lywsb]They'll survive the season. It's a raw team but no rawer than what the Mets have sent out the last two months. PosGuyBAOBPSLGOPScRyan Doumit.255.324.398.7221bSteve Pearce.184.279.289.5682bDelwyn Young.316.381.427.8083bAndy LaRoche.256.330.372.702ssRonny Cedeno.167.213.290.503lfBrandon Moss.250.310.385.695cfAndrew McCutcheon.275.332.430.762rfGarret Jones.323.375.7291.104[/quote:yh9lywsb] Of course the best of those raw guys are McCutcheon and Jones who were coming anyway. My objection isn't that they're going about it the wrong way but that they seem intent on trading everyone whether they get a good return or not. A lot of Can-Miss guys in that haul. Farmer Ted Jul 31 2009 11:46 AM Minny lands Orlando Cabrera from the A's. I never understood the Orlando attraction. metirish Jul 31 2009 11:49 AM Claudio Vargas back to the Brewers from LA for a minor league catcher.....Vinny Rottino MFS62 Jul 31 2009 11:51 AM ="Farmer Ted":1md20mfn]Minny lands Orlando Cabrera from the A's. I never understood the Orlando attraction.[/quote:1md20mfn] What was confusing about EPCOT? The trade was for a kid shortstop named Ladendorf (sp?). No link yet. Later Valadius Jul 31 2009 01:25 PM Joe Beimel traded to Rockies. Nymr83 Jul 31 2009 01:27 PM Victor Martinez to Boston, Adam LaRoche to the Braves in two seperate but related deals. Nymr83 Jul 31 2009 01:28 PM Jerry Hairston jr. to the Evil Empire Fman99 Jul 31 2009 01:29 PM Aw we're just sitting on our dongs doing nothing! C'mon, Omar. When you're done offending white people get on the stick, get us another arm/bat. Edgy DC Jul 31 2009 01:30 PM No news = good news. Nymr83 Jul 31 2009 01:30 PM What did I miss? when was Omar "offending white people"? Valadius Jul 31 2009 01:30 PM Okay - Boston still has an overload of corner infielders. Now they have Youkilis, Mike Lowell, V-Mart, and Casey Kotchman. One of them can be had. Valadius Jul 31 2009 01:32 PM Heath Bell may be headed to the Dodgers. John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 31 2009 01:34 PM Apparently a deal that would send Bell to the Marlins fell though. Another deal discussing Bell & Adrian Gonzo to the Dodgers for Loney + Fman99 Jul 31 2009 01:39 PM ="Nymr83":mq4iuo9l]What did I miss? when was Omar "offending white people"?[/quote:mq4iuo9l] Just Rubin. Valadius Jul 31 2009 01:39 PM Rolen to the Reds. metirish Jul 31 2009 01:40 PM SI_JonHeyman: rolen has been traded to the reds. he just has to waive his no trade clause. indy boy cant turn down cincy, can he? John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 31 2009 01:40 PM Scott Rolen to the Reds. "Mets aren;t doing anything" Heyman adds bmfc1 Jul 31 2009 01:42 PM ="Edgy DC":f3ne8dnq]No news = good news.[/quote:f3ne8dnq] Why? Are the Mets are such a powerhouse that they can't be improved or a trade would be a mistake, a la Zambrano/Kazmir, given their place in the standings, or you don't trust Omar to make a deal that's good for the Mets. Omar should do something to show the team that management believes they can still make the playoffs. It maybe symbolic but it's a vote of confidence. metirish Jul 31 2009 01:45 PM ="bmfc1":12wu0gbu]="Edgy DC":12wu0gbu]No news = good news.[/quote:12wu0gbu] Why? Are the Mets are such a powerhouse that they can't be improved or a trade would be a mistake, a la Zambrano/Kazmir, given their place in the standings, or you don't trust Omar to make a deal that's good for the Mets. Omar should do something to show the team that management believes they can still make the playoffs. It maybe symbolic but it's a vote of confidence.[/quote:12wu0gbu] I'd like some action too but this team is more than one impact player away ,don't you think? Nymr83 Jul 31 2009 01:46 PM The Reds have reportedly traded for Scott Roleb, subject to Rolen's approval(NT Clause) Valadius Jul 31 2009 01:48 PM Sean Smith to the Jays. Fman99 Jul 31 2009 01:49 PM Nationals deal Joe Biemel to Colorado for two minor leaguers. Edgy DC Jul 31 2009 01:49 PM ="bmfc1"]="Edgy DC"]No news = good news. Why? Are the Mets are such a powerhouse that they can't be improved or a trade would be a mistake, a la Zambrano/Kazmir, given their place in the standings, or you don't trust Omar to make a deal that's good for the Mets. Omar should do something to show the team that management believes they can still make the playoffs. It maybe symbolic but it's a vote of confidence. I think many trades can do more harm than good. I don't think that trading at the deadline shows belief that a team can make the playoffs. I think it shows belief that it can't without mystical craftiness. And mystical craftiness too often turns out to be hokum. Valadius Jul 31 2009 01:50 PM Hairston deal apparently sends the vaunted Austin Jackson to Cincy. bmfc1 Jul 31 2009 01:50 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 31 2009 01:51 PM ="metirish":3c3fy6qu]I'd like some action too but this team is more than one impact player away ,don't you think?[/quote:3c3fy6qu] Unless the one player is Babe Ruth, yes I agree but I'd be happy with something minor, such as Aubrey Huff. The Mets were supposed to be after a lefty RP but Joe Beimel went to Colorado for 2 minor leaguers. Edgy DC Jul 31 2009 01:50 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 31 2009 01:51 PM I'm hoping that the Mets acquire Carlos Beltran, Carlos Delgado, John Maine, Jose Reyes and Billy Wagner and give up nothing. Not too many teams have a chance to do that. metirish Jul 31 2009 01:51 PM MFY's apparently sent Austin Jackson to Cincy in that deal , is he a highly touted prospect? bmfc1 Jul 31 2009 01:52 PM lenno212 No #Mets lineup yet. Hmm. Last time this happened, Church was sent to Atlanta. Nymr83 Jul 31 2009 01:52 PM ="metirish":1kmxpyuu]MFY's apparently sent Austin Jackson to Cincy in that deal , is he a highly touted prospect?[/quote:1kmxpyuu] yes. kinda suprised hairston was worth that much. metirish Jul 31 2009 01:53 PM the buzz around Citi Field continues to suggest the Mets will not be making any major deals today� �in fact, as reporters file in to the ballpark, they�ll encounter team officials, media reps, etc., and if something was going down we�d probably have known about it by now� �in the end, i believe the Mets had options, but they chose to hang on to their top prospects, knowing a) players will be available on the waiver wire, and getting Jose Reyes, Carlos Delgado, Carlos Beltran and Billy Wagner is better than any one trade they could have possibly made� metsblog metirish Jul 31 2009 01:55 PM ="Nymr83":2llmme19]="metirish":2llmme19]MFY's apparently sent Austin Jackson to Cincy in that deal , is he a highly touted prospect?[/quote:2llmme19] yes. kinda suprised hairston was worth that much.[/quote:2llmme19] not true now apparently.......I was wary of this becasue this guy gets mentioned in every big deal that's talked about for them.....close to untouchable bmfc1 Jul 31 2009 02:03 PM Edgy's happy but I'm not. Omar confirms my opinion that he is an awful in-season GM. He can wine, dine, schmooze, and attract big name FAs but for the second year in a row, he failed to make a deadline deal to help the team. metirish Jul 31 2009 02:04 PM ck Johnson to the Marlins per fox sports Edgy DC Jul 31 2009 02:08 PM ="bmfc1"]Edgy's happy but I'm not. Omar confirms my opinion that he is an awful in-season GM. He can wine, dine, schmooze, and attract big name FAs but for the second year in a row, he failed to make a deadline deal to help the team. Awful GMs make deals that hurt teams. "You've gotta know when to hold." --- K. Rogers Nymr83 Jul 31 2009 02:09 PM Johnson to the Marlins for AA-lefty Aaron Thompson. never heard of him. bmfc1 Jul 31 2009 02:10 PM Does that mean that Omar is an awful GM? Good GMs get creative to help their teams. Omar certainly isn't a good GM. Is someone going to start an IGT with a clever name. The lineup is in. Edgy DC Jul 31 2009 02:13 PM ="bmfc1"]Does that mean that Omar is an awful GM? Does what mean that? ]Good GMs get creative to help their teams. Trades aren't the only way to help a team. Often, perhaps half the time or more, not trading has helped a team more. Nymr83 Jul 31 2009 02:13 PM ="Nymr83":28x0vm8e]Johnson to the Marlins for AA-lefty Aaron Thompson. never heard of him.[/quote:28x0vm8e] and the Nats are paying the salary. wow, are the marlins the cheapest franchise on earth or what? metirish Jul 31 2009 02:14 PM I'd rather do nothing than trade for a Huff or Scott Downs for the bullpen...... Valadius Jul 31 2009 02:14 PM I started the IGT already. bmfc1 Jul 31 2009 02:14 PM Do you think that Omar is incapable of making a good trade so any trade would be bad? Frayed Knot Jul 31 2009 02:15 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 31 2009 02:18 PM ="Valadius":nlpyoup8]Hairston deal apparently sends the vaunted Austin Jackson to Cincy.[/quote:nlpyoup8] Wow! Not a sure-fire future star but is potentially one and he's a guy they spent a decent signing bonus on in order to wrest him away from a hoops scholarship (Arizona I think) --- sounds like a lot to spend for essentially a good utility man. Essentially this is the price paid for Brent Gardener breaking his hand (finger?) last week. Ceetar Jul 31 2009 02:16 PM metsblog mentioned it earlier, and I noticed it last night, but apparently the Yankees are having money concerns? Supposedly they balked at the idea of paying Bannister's 650k salary. Edgy DC Jul 31 2009 02:16 PM ="bmfc1":1ihptp6l]Do you think that Omar is incapable of making a good trade so any trade would be bad?[/quote:1ihptp6l] No. I don't think he or anybody is incapable of making a good trade. I'm still trying to figure out the last question. Nymr83 Jul 31 2009 02:17 PM Scott Rolen has reportedly waived his no trade clause and escaped hockey loving Canada to play baseball in Cincinatti. metirish Jul 31 2009 02:18 PM ="Frayed Knot":11hlah5p]="Valadius":11hlah5p]Hairston deal apparently sends the vaunted Austin Jackson to Cincy.[/quote:11hlah5p] Wow![/quote:11hlah5p] That was posted and then I posted it here but apparently it's not true. bmfc1 Jul 31 2009 02:19 PM And I'm trying to figure out why the GM of a team under .500 with hopes of making the playoffs couldn't make a trade. Edgy--I'm not going to continue this but congrats to you that nothing was done. If they make the playoffs, I'll eat crow and buy you a drink. Nymr83 Jul 31 2009 02:24 PM ="bmfc1":pmjfgign]And I'm trying to figure out why the GM of a team under .500 with hopes of making the playoffs couldn't make a trade. Edgy--I'm not going to continue this but congrats to you that nothing was done. If they make the playoffs, I'll eat crow and buy you a drink.[/quote:pmjfgign] even if they don't make the playoffs they've done fine not making a trade unless they miss the playoffs by a number of games that the potentially traded-for player would have won them. trading for Nick Johnson and missing the playoffs by 2 games instead of missing it by 4 without him only hurts the team's farm system. I look at net games back and i don't see a team that should trade even a small part of the future for help in 2009. if the guy you were acquiring would still be under contract for 2010 thats another issue, but this shouldnt be treated as a 'win now' team Nymr83 Jul 31 2009 02:26 PM Heyman is reporting that Peavy has been dealt to the White Sox again, no word on if he has agreed to it this time. Frayed Knot Jul 31 2009 02:27 PM I propose we trade Sullivan and/or Reed, plus Berroa and Cancel for Reyes, Beltran & Delgado sometime in the next few weeks. That'll improve the team. Edgy DC Jul 31 2009 02:28 PM ="bmfc1":488nciud]And I'm trying to figure out why the GM of a team under .500 with hopes of making the playoffs couldn't make a trade.[/quote:488nciud] Because, in theory, the only available trades may have hurt them in the long term more than helped them in the short term. Or hurt them flat out. John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 31 2009 02:33 PM Jake PV to the White Sox: This time it's for real. Edgy DC Jul 31 2009 02:33 PM Fo nucking way! metirish Jul 31 2009 02:34 PM Big guns that didn't go Halladay and Gonzalez duan Jul 31 2009 02:37 PM as everyone else has rightly pointed out, the pieces that this team needs are the ones that are on the DL, if heaven forbid, we're back IN a race over the next two weeks, there's plenty of time then to get an Aubrey Huff type power bat who'll float through waivers cause of salary. I don't see anyone out there who got traded that I think would have helped a healthy mets team bar Victor Martinez, Jake Peavy & Cliff Lee.I don't think we were really in the race to get them and they all have plenty of limitations. Frayed Knot Jul 31 2009 03:05 PM ="metirish"]="Frayed Knot"]="Valadius"]Hairston deal apparently sends the vaunted Austin Jackson to Cincy. Wow! That was posted and then I posted it here but apparently it's not true. Well then never mind my above rant. The truth apparently: The Reds received minor league catcher Chase Weems in the deal. The 20-year-old Weems was batting .260 with a homer and 14 RBIs in 55 games with Class-A Charleston this season. He was picked in the sixth round of the 2007 draft. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 31 2009 03:11 PM ="Edgy DC"]="bmfc1"]Edgy's happy but I'm not. Omar confirms my opinion that he is an awful in-season GM. He can wine, dine, schmooze, and attract big name FAs but for the second year in a row, he failed to make a deadline deal to help the team. Awful GMs make deals that hurt teams. "You've gotta know when to hold." --- K. Rogers Hear, hear. I'm in Edge's corner on this. They moved the Peavy? Those crazy bastards! (A LOT of good young arms on the Pods now.) Nymr83 Jul 31 2009 03:22 PM Peavy was a good young arm, and under contract a few more years, I don't know who they got yet but its hard to believe its worth it for a guy you're not about to lose. Farmer Ted Jul 31 2009 03:55 PM Which of the three...Washburn, Peavy, or Halladay...will be with the Mets next year? MFS62 Jul 31 2009 04:13 PM Omar's like the ugly girl - all alone by the telephone - waiting for a call inviting her to the dance. Later smg58 Jul 31 2009 05:01 PM Minaya could very easily have been told not to take on more payroll for this season, so I wouldn't point the finger too quickly. I actually think the fact that Halladay is still a Jay is a good thing -- assuming you can wait until the offseason to obtain him. Peavy is guaranteed $52M over the next 3 seasons and is now an established injury risk who'll fail to reach 175 IP for the second straight year. I'm perfectly OK with passing on him. I wouldn't have minded V-Mart, though. metirish Jul 31 2009 05:51 PM I just don't get the Minaya bashing today , if he had traded for Francouer today would the people who are unhappy be happy with that? I read in one of the rags the other day.....Madden I think it was proclaiming that Minaya NEEDED to get Halladay to change the subject around the team. Could you blame the guy if he did that , make a splash trade for the sake of it? , I'd love to have a Halladay or a Peavey but would have preferred V Martinez. At what cost though would they have come for? I'm not upset that we didn't get middle of the road players and never expected top tier players so i am not disappointed. MFS62 Jul 31 2009 06:14 PM Not bashing. Just saying. Add me to the group who didn't want to see a deal that drained the farm of key prospects. As Edgy said, no news = good news. Later seawolf17 Jul 31 2009 06:19 PM I actually would have liked to see them move some guys, like Livan or Schneider, even if just for middling prospects. But I'm okay with inaction too. Let's get healthy, fellas! Nymr83 Aug 01 2009 12:53 AM ESPN had the Pirates deals put together for convenience ]IN: RHP Nathan Adcock, RHP Tim Alderson, RHP Jose Ascanio, SS Ronny Cedeno, 1B Jeff Clement, SS Argenis Diaz, RHP Joel Hanrahan, RHP Kevin Hart, OF Gorkys Hernandez, RHP Jeff Locke, RHP Brett Lorin, OF Lastings Milledge, RHP Charlie Morton, RHP Aaron Pribanic, RHP Hunter Strickland OUT: RHP Sean Burnett, LHP Tom Gorzelanny, LHP John Grabow, OF Eric Hinske, 1B Adam LaRoche, OF Nate McLouth, OF Nyjer Morgan, INF Freddy Sanchez, RHP Ian Snell, SS Jack Wilson dgwphotography Aug 01 2009 05:17 AM Personally, I'm glad Omar didn't make any deals. This team is too many players away from contending right now, and I just didn't want him to do any more damage.... As FK said, trading Sullivan, Reed, plus Berroa and Cancel for Reyes, Beltran & Delgado sometime in the next few weeks would be the best trade possible... metirish Aug 01 2009 07:52 AM Minaya ] �As a general manager, I�ve been six games out before, and it�s kind of hard to go out and make a trade,� Minaya said. �And you guys know our situation. The situation is not one player. Our situation is a couple players.� In the clubhouse, no one seemed concerned that he might be traded � or, for that matter, that anyone else would be. Only a few players lounged on couches watching updates on the MLB Network, as many more bolted outside to fly a remote-controlled helicopter Wright ] �I don�t think the reason for our record being what it is is that we needed one more piece,� David Wright said. �It�s that we played poorly at times and we�re pretty banged up. We�re not one piece away that�s going to put us over the top at the trade deadline. It�s not like we�re not going to get more than that when we get these guys healthy.� Rockin' Doc Aug 01 2009 09:04 AM No one player was going to suddenly put this team over the top. Injuries have been the story of this season. All teams get hit with injuries and must work to overcome them, the Mets have unfortunately been with a rash of long term injuries to a multitiude of their key players. I'm more disappointed at the lost opportunity to see how good this team could have been this season had they not been decimated with injuries, than I am over the absence of any desperate trades in hopes of miraculously putting this team into contention. Vince Coleman Firecracker Aug 01 2009 10:41 AM I'm with Seawolf. Would have liked to see Omar sell off a few players. Valadius Aug 01 2009 11:25 AM I would have liked to see another lefty for the bullpen, at least. Edgy DC Aug 01 2009 11:51 AM We have Misch, and we're getting Wagner, and I'm uncertain anybody else will have made a difference worth giving somebody up for, except that maybe Manuel may trust an import more than he does Misch. Valadius Aug 01 2009 12:33 PM Honestly, I don't think Misch knows how to get Jerry to trust him enough to get him in a meaningful game. Edgy DC Aug 01 2009 01:44 PM And if our issue is that it takes a trade for Manuel to give somebody a chance who may or may not be better than a pitcher he's got rotting in the back of the bullpen, its' not a trade we should be clamoring for. metirish Aug 01 2009 04:33 PM ="Valadius":oqm0lk9w]Honestly, I don't think Misch knows how to get Jerry to trust him enough to get him in a meaningful game.[/quote:oqm0lk9w] What is this " Days of our Lives"? Frayed Knot Aug 01 2009 08:37 PM Back to the Pirates for a sec; 3 HRs for McCutcheon today (and power is supposed to be his weakest suit). Would have been nice to see him in an OF [u:3uw4r55j]WITH[/u:3uw4r55j] McLouth and a few of the others. btw, they brought up Milledge as one of the guys tying to fill all these newly created spots. Fman99 Aug 01 2009 09:15 PM ="Frayed Knot":qeskhzrl]Back to the Pirates for a sec; 3 HRs for McCutcheon today (and power is supposed to be his weakest suit). Would have been nice to see him in an OF [u:qeskhzrl]WITH[/u:qeskhzrl] McLouth and a few of the others. btw, they brought up Milledge as one of the guys tying to fill all these newly created spots.[/quote:qeskhzrl] Good, I am still rooting for LMillz and his gangsta ass. Valadius Aug 02 2009 07:55 AM My most lasting memory of Lastings: Nymr83 Aug 02 2009 08:07 AM ="Valadius":narzpqw5]My most lasting memory of Lastings[/quote:narzpqw5] first drink my ass. Valadius Aug 02 2009 08:23 AM ="Nymr83":1zjqc8zc]="Valadius":1zjqc8zc]My most lasting memory of Lastings[/quote:1zjqc8zc] first drink my ass.[/quote:1zjqc8zc] Exactly.

Overbay wasn't even the best first baseman in Jays' history to have a last name starting with "O". Later

Its supposed to rain for the rest of the week. If the Rockie are still in the hunt, the Mets will be playing meaningful games in October. Later

I'm not sure if Matthews is a registered cretin. But he seems to be working hard for his certification. Later

http://www.baseballamerica.com...ospects/?p=5871 Mets shortstop Wilmer Flores won admirers last season for his impressive showing in the Rookie-level Appalachian League, in which he participated as a 16-year-old. A year older and wiser, the young Venezuelan hasn�t received quite the same fanfare this season as he competes in the low Class A South Atlantic League. Let�s view them side by side: WILMER FLORES, SS, METS YR TEAM LGE LVL PA AVG OBP SLG HR 2B BB SO CT% ISO BB/K �08 Kingsport Appy R 265 .310 .352 .490 8 12 12 28 88.6 .163 .36 �09 Savannah SAL LoA 375 .280 .317 .360 3 15 15 44 87.3 .075 .34 Flores, 17, has maintained his lofty contact rate and his mediocre walk-to-strikeout ratio even as he�s moved up a grade. His average and power production, though, have trailed off significantly as he grinds through his first full season of pro ball. He signed with the Mets for the ninth-highest bonus, $700,000, of the �07 international signing period. A scout for an AL club took note of those hitting qualities while seeing Flores in action this season. "Flores grew on me. He can hit," the scout said. "I don�t know how much power he�s going to have�and he�s a legit 25 runner with well below-average athleticism�but he has a knack for putting the barrel on the ball. And he shows plate discipline and pitch recognition at a young age. "His hands are really good and they allow him to manipulate the barrel and adjust to pitches in all parts of the zone. They help his defense, too. But he�s not a good athlete and he can�t run at all." Viewers of the Futures Game already have some familiarity with Flores� lack of footspeed. It seemed to take him days to run out an infield grounder during that prospect showcase, and he again showed well below-average speed in Sunday�s Sand Gnats game at Greensboro, a contest attended by a number of BA staffers. Flores went 1-for-4 with a double, but twice he grounded out sharply to third, the second time as part of a game-ending double play. In each at-bat, Flores worked the count to his favor, and of the 15 pitches he saw in four at-bats, he swung and missed only once, at an 86 mph fastball on the inner half. He fouled off one other pitch, but in every instance he was working ahead of the pitcher�2-1, 3-1, 1-0 and 2-1. In the first inning, Flores lined a 89 mph fastball, middle-in, from righthander Tom Koehler over the center fielder�s head for a double. The defense had been playing him slightly to pull. As Flores fills out his lanky 6-foot-3, 175-pound frame, scouts will be looking for increased power production from the righthanded hitter. "I think learning when he gets his pitch to really attack it will help him (hit for more power)," the scout said. "But now, he just lays the barrel on the ball and throws it in the alley or in front of a outfielder for a single or double. I think as he gets more experience, he�ll learn to really attack it when he gets his pitch. "He�s a big leaguer, I think, but not a shortstop for sure. And the approach has to improve, and he has to develop a lot more power if he�s going to be everyday on a corner." But Flores is a unique case. Not many prospects, not even those from Latin America, compete in full-season minor leagues at age 17-18. Later

Something really must have happened to Snell. Once a pretty decent pitcher, he recently has allowed so many base runners, it sometimes looks like they've given him a second infield. If he isn't careful to moisturize, he could get stretch marks. Later

A quick side note (maybe this belongs in the "In The Booth" thread): During the Mets post-game radio show tonight, Wayne Hagan said "Mark was relieved by ex-Houston Astro Octavio Dotel". Methinks Wayne needs to take some additional classes in his Met-ucation. Back to topic. Mark is a pitcher, in the finest sense of the word. When I saw the highlights of his perfect game, I don't recall seeing the radar gun top 87 MPH on any of his pitches. I agree with Doc, more pitchers should emulate him. Later

Looks like that might put the kibosh on that honorary PhD in English from Yale. Later

They could be throwing snowballs out there in Denver, and Todd Helton is still a very good hitter. Later

="Edgy DC"]I believe his title was vice president of development. So, still not too specific. It could mean that someone else scouts and drafts, then turns them over to him to "develop". Titles can be misleading. On a resume, you put your title as well as a list of responsibilities and achievements. Later

I'm not sure that article really answers the question of Bernazard's role in "Player Development" Was he responsible for heading up the scouting organization? If so, it appears that the job he did was about what other organizations would have expected to do, maybe more. If not, if his title of VP of Minor League Operations only included managing the minor league club operations (the business side), then he can get no credit for recent drafts. Until we know his exact job responsibilities the article, though interesting and encouraging, may not be pertinent. Later

="metsguyinmichigan":39c9vxup] Yankee shame: -- Best player outed for using steroids -- Best pitcher outed for using steroids -- Best reliever has pool that kills people -- Michael Kay Tell me again which organization is a disgrace?[/quote:39c9vxup] You forgot : -- Being the next to last Major League team to have a Black player, even though they played in the city that had the first one. Later LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 27 2009 10:05 PM ="MFS62"]="metsguyinmichigan"] Yankee shame: -- Best player outed for using steroids -- Best pitcher outed for using steroids -- Best reliever has pool that kills people -- Michael Kay Tell me again which organization is a disgrace? You forgot : -- Being the next to last Major League team to have a Black player, even though they played in the city that had the first one. Later Ahem. (I think that was Boston, with Pumpsie Green.) G-Fafif Jul 27 2009 10:09 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 27 2009 10:10 PM Double post. G-Fafif Jul 27 2009 10:09 PM ](I think that was Boston, with Pumpsie Green.) He said "next to last," but Phillies and Tigers came after MFYs, then Red Sox. Old news, I'd have to say. Plenty to bash MFYs on in this century. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 27 2009 11:08 PM Beer: not terribly helpful for reading comprehension. Ashie62 Jul 28 2009 08:11 AM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":3npdogpk]Beer: not terribly helpful for reading comprehension.[/quote:3npdogpk] Or Bernazards emotions Edgy DC Aug 02 2009 01:55 PM Daily News (but not Adam Rubin) digging up a lot more PLT stories about Bernazard. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2009/08/02/2009-08-02_tony_bern_out.html?page=0 Rockin' Doc Aug 02 2009 03:11 PM Hard to feel much sympathy for Bernazard the more stories you read of his vitriolic behavior toward players and staff of the Mets system. The more I read of his tirades, the more negatively Bernazard's tenure reflects upon Minaya and the Wilpons for allowing such an embarrassment to remain in their employ for as long as they did. Benjamin Grimm Aug 04 2009 07:04 AM Huh! Edgy DC Aug 04 2009 07:08 AM Oh, you missed some shee-it. Ashie62 Aug 04 2009 12:58 PM A little league first fight in Princeton, NJ? Darling the Eli must love that one

Edgy, IIRC you've posted several times that you think Castillo should be batting leadoff. After tonight's game, one of the radio guys (don't recall which one) noted that Luis is hitting over .400 in July. Just thought you'd like that amunition for your position. Later