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="Vic Sage":1f3jzt7s]ah, yes, the GSS. I was banned there... a distinction i wear with honor. I don't even remember why. I think i tried to incite an insurrection against their overbearing administrators.[/quote:1f3jzt7s] GSS is spoken of in the same terms quite often over at the MOFO. Kind of feel sorry I missed out on all that fun. metsguyinmichigan Oct 29 2008 09:58 AM As a relative newby, may I must ask what the MOFo is? Edgy DC Oct 29 2008 10:03 AM Mets Online Forum. This forum was established largely in response to a downclick in the level of discourse there. That's right, once we were trying to set a standard. Willets Point Oct 29 2008 10:07 AM MetsOnline itself was a fan-built website in the mid-90's that predated the Mets having a website. MetsOnline was killed by a cease & desist in 2002, although I think there may still be a bulletin board out there where they're calling themselves the MOFO. Benjamin Grimm Oct 29 2008 11:28 AM It sounds like Steve was talking about it in the present tense. SteveJRogers Oct 29 2008 12:34 PM I was referring to the BB that Willets mentioned. Several of the posters on the current MOFO were on GSS (yet another Met forum named after Ventura's infamous game winning hit in Game 5 1999 NLCS of course), and got the boot in the same fashion as Vic mentioned, for pretty much the same reasons. Edgy DC Oct 29 2008 12:43 PM Infamous? Are you a Braves fan? Steve seems to know more about the history of this place than I do, and I don't know hardly anything about him. Benjamin Grimm Oct 29 2008 12:51 PM Yeah, really. I wouldn't put Robin Ventura's game-winning shot in the same category as Pearl Harbor. G-Fafif Oct 29 2008 04:15 PM ="Benjamin Grimm"]Yeah, really. I wouldn't put Robin Ventura's game-winning shot in the same category as Pearl Harbor. October 17, 1999: A date which will live in famy. A Boy Named Seo Oct 29 2008 04:21 PM Rogers was either going with the popular, but controversial Lucky Day/El Guapo definition of "infamous", or he's just gettin' all Chipper J. Jeets[/url:1drkl6im] on us. G-Fafif Oct 29 2008 04:26 PM Steve's been everywhere, man... seawolf17 Oct 29 2008 05:39 PM ="A Boy Named Seo":1gbomtrk]Rogers was either going with the popular, but controversial Lucky Day/El Guapo definition of "infamous"[/quote:1gbomtrk] Hilarious. "Jefe? Do you know what is a plethora? Well, you told me I have a plethora. I would not like to think that a person would tell someone he has a plethora, and then find out that that person has no idea what it means to have a plethora." One of the best movies ever. Edgy DC Oct 29 2008 05:45 PM Well, maybe one of the best million films ever. I can go for that. Kong76 Oct 29 2008 06:17 PM EDC: Steve seems to know more about the history of this place than I do, and I don't know hardly anything about him <<< StevieJStalker sees all! Frayed Knot Oct 29 2008 07:39 PM ="SteveJRogers":2nu9sgsu]Several of the posters on the current MOFO were on GSS and got the boot in the same fashion as Vic mentioned, for pretty much the same reasons.[/quote:2nu9sgsu] What Vic did to got booted (and me IIRC) had nothing to do with what others did. Edgy DC Oct 30 2008 10:58 AM Dan Reilly, knew when to keep his mouth shut. Check out the piping on ihs original uni. Villager photo by Will McKinleyDan Reilly, the original Mr. Met, at Shea Stadium recently. Reilly with his Mr. Met baseball head back in the mid-1960s when he was the team�s mascot at home games. Mr. Met recalls heady times as first mascot for Amazin�s By WILL McKINLEY Dozens of Mets legends were honored at Shea Stadium�s closing ceremony last month, from Tom Seaver to Mike Piazza and all the lesser lights in between. But one seminal figure in the team�s history was conspicuous by his absence. Dan Reilly, the first man to wear the costume of iconic mascot Mr. Met, watched the bittersweet festivities at home on TV like an ordinary fan. But the longtime Soho resident and author of the new book �The Original Mr. Met Remembers,� is anything but. �I�m disappointed they didn�t invite me back, but I�m not angry,� said Reilly, who played the Mets mascot on and off the field from 1964 through 1967, the first three of his nine years with the club. �Seaver, Koosman, Swoboda, all those guys were my buddies. And I figured they�d like to see me again, too, just to say hello, a few handshakes, keep in touch. They all still call me Mr. Met.� Now 70 and retired, Reilly�s ties with the team go back to Shea�s inaugural season, when he joined the Mets ticket sales staff two months before the debut of their new home. �It was a snowy February morning the day of my interview,� Reilly said last week, as he walked the grounds of the soon-to-be-demolished stadium. �From the outside, it looked like an orange-and-blue skeleton. Nothing was happening and nobody was around. Inside, they were still putting the seats in. And now I�m watching them take those seats out. It�s sad.� Sadness is not an emotion readily associated with Reilly, a jovial, outgoing raconteur who worked in the restaurant business after leaving the Mets in 1972, and recently concluded a four-year stint as the host of game-day ferry rides to Shea. On boat or barstool, the Richmond Hill, Queens, native spins colorful tales of the early days of the Amazin� Mets with a hearty laugh and, on this occasion, a misty eye. �We were a small organization back then, no superstars,� said Reilly, clad in a Mets jersey and still using �we� and �us� when referring to the team he left 36 years ago. �I drank with those guys. I knew where all the good Irish bars in Queens were. And I knew when to keep my mouth shut. That�s why everyone liked me.� Reilly was front and center for nearly all of the significant events of the team�s first decade: Shea�s first opening day; the 1964 All-Star Game; Casey Stengel�s on-field 75th birthday celebration and the infamous after-party at Toots Shor�s, where the legendary manager broke his hip and ended his career; the arrival of 1967 Rookie of the Year Seaver; the managerial tenure of Reilly�s boyhood idol Gil Hodges and, most memorably, the Miracle Mets World Series victory on Oct. 16, 1969. �As soon as that game was over, I ran from the press box down to the clubhouse,� Reilly said 39 years and one day later, as he traced the trajectory from the top of the stadium to the bottom with his finger. �There�s a picture of me in the 1970 yearbook, being doused with champagne by Jerry Grote. Those were my guys. They were the best.� In addition to his daily responsibilities, first in ticket sales and later in the promotions department, Reilly also served as the V.I.P. handler for visiting celebrities and politicians, ran the Mets Speakers Bureau program and filled in as public address announcer at Shea for three weeks in 1966. He also wished four members of a British rock band good luck as they ran on to the field for an August 1965 concert. �I said, �Break a leg, guys,� and one of them said, �Thanks mate!�� Reilly remembered. �I don�t know which one it was because I didn�t know who The Beatles were back then.� But Reilly�s fondest memories began on May 31, 1964, when he donned the papier-m�ch�, baseball-shaped head of the first mascot in Major League Baseball history. The Mets lost both sides of a doubleheader that day to the Giants, whose defection to California with the Brooklyn Dodgers after the 1957 season inspired attorney Bill Shea�s successful crusade to bring National League baseball back to New York. But, between games of that doubleheader, a star was born. �The stadium was packed and I was nervous,� Reilly said with a laugh. �They had told me to play it straight, just walk out there and wave, but the kids started swarming down to meet me in the stands. I shook hands, posed for pictures, signed autographs. After that, I got cocky and started dancing. It was an instant hit. Back then, the fans might not have recognized the players, but they always recognized Mr. Met.� As Reilly remembered the glories of four decades past, he struck up a conversation with a current Mets fan, 48-year-old software engineer Mark Szemberski, who was snapping photos of the now-shuttered stadium. �Of all people to meet, the last time I�m at Shea � Mr. Met!� Szemberski exclaimed, as he posed for a picture with the unlikely celebrity. �You made my day. I hope they invite you back when they open the new stadium.� Reilly handed Szemberski his business card, which features a photo of his younger self in a regulation Mets uniform, holding the outsized head that made him famous. The original Mr. Met is smiling broadly, as always. �Baseball is tradition,� Reilly said, as he bid final farewell to Shea from a departing 7 train. �Mr. Met touched people then, and he still does. I think it�s important to remember how we used to do it, what Shea used to be like. If we do, there will always be a Shea Stadium.� �The Original Mr. Met Remembers: When the Miracle Began� (138 pages) is available at iUniverse.com. HahnSolo Oct 30 2008 11:22 AM The uniform on the right suggests that photo is from '86 (racing stripes and anniversary logo), not from the early sixties. (I see Edgy beat me to that). soupcan Oct 30 2008 11:23 AM Yeah - something's wrong there. Benjamin Grimm Oct 30 2008 11:38 AM I'd guess that in 1986 he was just visiting with his old head. seawolf17 Oct 30 2008 12:07 PM ="Benjamin Grimm":36b19cxk]I'd guess that in 1986 he was just visiting with his old head.[/quote:36b19cxk] Possibly for a 25th anniversary event, which would make sense. Edgy DC Nov 03 2008 02:40 PM The High-A Inland Empire 66ers of San Bernardino (real name!) have announced their coaching staff, including John Valentin as batting coach and Charlie Hough as pitching coach. I confused Hough with Verne Ruhle and thought he was dead. Edgy DC Nov 10 2008 02:45 PM Candidates being looked at for the Seattle managerial job include Jose Oquendo, the prototype for Rey Ordoñez; Joey Cora, who managed for the Mets in the minors, and Randy Ready, who has one of the porniest names in baseball history. sharpie Nov 11 2008 11:36 AM Soon we can enjoy the literary stylings of Mike Piazza: Mike Piazza, a 12-time All Star for the Los Angeles Dodgers and the New York Mets, has signed a deal to write his autobiography for Simon & Schuster. V-p and senior editor Bob Bender acquired world rights from David Black, CEO of Black Inc., and Dan Lozano, Piazza�s sports agent. Publication is slated for 2010. In the book, Piazza, who retired just before the 2008 season, will discuss controversies of his career, including the 2000 World Series incident when Roger Clemens threw a shattered bat at him, and the press conference he held to deny rumors that he was gay. The autobiography will also cover Piazza�s tumultuous relationships with the Dodgers, their front office and Tommy Lasorda; as well as his former teammates Bobby Valentine, Pedro Martinez, Rickey Henderson and others. Edgy DC Nov 11 2008 11:40 AM He actually retired well into the 2008 season when he hadn't gotten interest from anybody. And Bobby Valentine wasn't his teammate. Who writes press releases these days? John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 11 2008 11:47 AM Who cares. I'm going to read the hell out of that book. Edgy DC Nov 11 2008 11:52 AM If'n I were you, I contact that agent NOW!!!! and show him your writin' credentials. Benjamin Grimm Nov 11 2008 11:55 AM Good thought. Writing the hell out of the book would be even better than reading the hell out of it. HahnSolo Nov 11 2008 12:19 PM Knowing the publishing industry as I do, I can tell you that acquiring editor had absolutely no interest in the writin' credentials in the manuscript and cared primarily about the name on page 1. Benjamin Grimm Nov 11 2008 12:21 PM So Piazza now shops around for a ghost, I suppose? I figure he'll go with a sportswriter he had a good relationship with during his playing days. G-Fafif Nov 11 2008 12:23 PM Or a David Frum/Michael Gershon otherwise underemployed wordsmith of the right. Mike goes that way. HahnSolo Nov 11 2008 12:25 PM ="Benjamin Grimm":r3mb7fqz]So Piazza now shops around for a ghost, I suppose? I figure he'll go with a sportswriter he had a good relationship with during his playing days.[/quote:r3mb7fqz] I doubt Piazza does the shopping unless there's a writer he was really close to and insists on using him. Otherwise, I expect the literary agent would work with the publisher to find someone. Edgy DC Nov 11 2008 12:28 PM Which is fucking why you should be acting NOW!!!! G-Fafif Nov 11 2008 12:30 PM I'm Richie Hebner for another eight posts or so. I'm not going out of my way to pick up any ground balls for a little while. sharpie Nov 11 2008 12:32 PM David Black, the agent, reps many bigtime sportswriters (including Mitch Albom of "Tuesdays With Morrie" fame). Piazza would have already come attached with a writer by the time the deal was made. Benjamin Grimm Nov 11 2008 12:32 PM I don't want to stir up an ugly intramural competition, but GFafif should also throw his hat in the ring. G-Fafif Nov 11 2008 12:40 PM ="Benjamin Grimm":3prysgfg]I don't want to stir up an ugly intramural competition, but GFafif should also throw his hat in the ring.[/quote:3prysgfg] Thanks, but first I have to finish my "as told to myself" thing. After I stop being Richie Hebner. Edgy DC Nov 12 2008 10:23 AM Former Pitchers Leading Today's Brogna News: Hideo Nomo, teaching the forkball to young buffalos. Frank Viola, getting into the analyst game. Tom Seaver, advising the youth of today and liquoring up Tommy Davis. John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 12 2008 10:41 AM Read also where Leiter was joining the staff at MLB-TV. I guess that means he's leaving the NO! network. Edgy DC Nov 13 2008 08:14 AM So, if you're like me, you grew sick of stories of Lenny Dykstra, swinging finance trader, about two paragraphs into the first one, but now the angle isn't that he's just another player, but that he's actually flourishing during these hard times. The claim is that he's 82-0 in stock picks endorsed in his newsletter. Edgy DC Nov 13 2008 01:36 PM Rick Sweet returning as manager of the Louisville Bats. Local favorite Roger Mason joins the Traverse City Beach Bums as pitching coach. John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 13 2008 01:38 PM Ron Gardenhire gets an extension. Leiter btw, will still work for Al-Yankazeera. Reynolds tho is out at SNY, raising speculation that Bobby Ojeda is on his way in. I think I speak for everyone ever by saying it would be nice to mix a 73er or 99-00er in there. TransMonk Nov 13 2008 01:42 PM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":1jn4n2h7]I think I speak for everyone ever by saying it would be nice to mix a 73er or 99-00er in there.[/quote:1jn4n2h7] Didn't Zeile get a shot once? Benjamin Grimm Nov 13 2008 01:44 PM I was thinking a 69er: Ron Swoboda. Edgy DC Nov 13 2008 05:02 PM Sam Perlozzo joins the Phils. Bang. metsguyinmichigan Nov 13 2008 11:01 PM ="Edgy DC":828l4i24]Rick Sweet returning as manager of the Louisville Bats. Local favorite Roger Mason joins the Traverse City Beach Bums as pitching coach.[/quote:828l4i24] Traverse City is a beautiful resort area about two hours north of me. The team is fairly new, and plays in an independent league. We used to play in an all-newspaper softball tournament in Traverse, and it was fun until the Detroit News took it over and started stacking its team with ringers who didn't work for the paper. Cads! I'll have to head up this summer and see a game and talk to Mason! Edgy DC Nov 14 2008 10:19 AM Holy Foli, Batman, it's Sammy Drake! In a Mets hat! An old friendship, forged 50 years ago, is rekindled AUGUSTA -- It was the New York Mets cap on his head. This being Red Sox country, people had to stop the athletic, older man this week and ask. "What's up with the hat?" That's when C. Wayne Mitchell glanced at his guest and stepped in. "This is Sammy Drake. Don't you know who he is?" No one did, to the amusement of both men. "He's an original member of the Mets," Mitchell would tell them. "He's my friend." It's a friendship forged nearly 50 years ago, interrupted by decades of separation and searching by Mitchell and resumed about four years ago. Mitchell's family, aware of his wish to reconnect, trolled the Internet, finding Drake at a Mets reunion in New Jersey. Sunday, Drake came to Mitchell's home in Sidney for a four-day visit. They laughed and joked and marveled again at the strength of a relationship neither fully understood when it began on a hot U.S. Army base in the deep south at a time when full integration was still a dream. Drake was a draftee from Little Rock, Ark. trying to keep alive his dream of playing major league baseball while he was serving his country. Mitchell was the 7-year-old son of a career soldier returned from duty in Germany and new to the Georgia base. That summer, the young boy discovered the Fort Gordon Rams and a young, talented infielder who asked Mitchell if he wanted to be the bat boy. "I could see he was interested in baseball," said Drake during lunch at a local restaurant Wednesday. Drake remembered when he fell in love with the game. The two played catch. Sometimes, Mitchell would go the base recreation center where Drake worked. They were so different in age and in race. Then, Mitchell was too young to understand what it meant to be a young black adult in Georgia. Drake, of course, did. A year or two after meeting, Mitchell's father was transferred to Taiwan. Mitchell got a baseball glove, a bat, a handshake, and much later, when he could fully understand, an outlook on life. "Of all the hello's and good-bye's, his was the one I remember most," said Mitchell, while Drake nodded. "I knew a thank-you would be in order." Mitchell's story to this point became a column I wrote four years ago. Then, I couldn't reach Drake who had returned to his home in Los Angeles. Wednesday, at lunch, I introduced myself. Meeting Mitchell wasn't a coincidence, Drake said. There was a reason that maybe still isn't clear 50 years later. Drake was surprised, but not stunned when Mitchell walked up to his table at the hotel where the Mets reunion and autograph session took place. He's met a lot of people in his 74 years and has usually found the goodness in them, even under trying circumstances. "At first I thought he as a typical fan," Drake said. "When he started talking about Fort Gordon I knew right away." Drake can't say he thought about Mitchell much over the years. Neither did he forget the young bat boy who would go to the gym to fold towels and stay out of the way of the soldiers.� "He would get picked on by the ballplayers a little bit. It was all in fun, but I could see it bothered him. I'd say, come with me. Let's play catch." Drake signed with the Chicago Cubs for $1,500 and was later assigned to Macon, Ga. to play for Pepper Martin in the so-called Sally League. He was the first African-American to play in the league he says. The most hurtful part of that season? "Not being able to sleep in the same hotels with my teammates. Not being able to eat with them. I could get carry-out or go across the river to a (black-owned restaurant.)" In the next breath, Drake tells of Martin's effort to get him seated with the team at a restaurant in Indiana. Martin, nicknamed the Wild Horse of the Osage, was a third baseman for the St. Louis Cardinals' "Gashouse Gang" in the 1930s and colorblind. Drake remembers one of his first trips to spring training with the Cubs after his two years in the Army. He was one of three black ballplayers in a group of 50 minor leaguers were assigned to a barracks-style building. "Every night I would pray. They must have thought I was from another planet. "But I had a good spring training. When camp broke, everyone was on their knees praying but two." Monday, Mitchell and Drake had breakfast with Roger Katz, the mayor of Augusta and a baseball fan. Katz invited Drake to speak to the city council that night. He told the story of a Cubs tryout he attended in Winnipeg, Manitoba and the sore arm he had. He couldn't throw across the infield. Discouraged, he called the grandmother who raised him. Don't worry, he was told. She would pray for him. "We had a big snowstorm," said Drake smiling. "We couldn't use the field for two weeks. I soaked my arm in the bath tub every day. I was ready." The Mets drafted him off the Cubs roster. His two-year, major league career was the proverbial cup of coffee. In 53 games he hit .153. His older brother, Solly, played parts of three seasons with the Cubs, Phillies and Dodgers. Together, they were the first African-American brothers to play major league baseball. Early Thursday morning, Drake said good-bye to Mitchell and his wife, Bonnie, and began his trip back to Los Angeles. A graduate of Philander Smith College in Little Rock, he's a retired investigator for the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development. He teaches Sunday School at the Greater Ebenezer Missionary Baptist Church, where his brother, the Rev. Dr. Solomon Drake, is pastor to a 6,000-member congregation. They've listened to the story of how a young white boy and a young black adult became lasting friends. It shouldn't be forgotten. Edgy DC Nov 19 2008 10:38 AM Jack Aker, out of work and vulnerable like the rest of us. This old ballplayer understands life better than most by Rabbi Ben Kamin, Spiritual Life Examiner Jack Aker, a name known to aficionados of the national pastime, is something of a legend. But if his baseball card could talk, you�d hear a lot more than breezy play-by-play. Here�s a guy who made more appearances (495) as a relief pitcher than anybody in his time, but found himself taken out of the game quite before he expected. Like anybody suddenly not doing the thing we�ve been doing forever, Jack found himself looking down the abyss�he was tearful, anxious, and despondent. Baseball players are real people, in spite of the hype we impose on them, and their souls hurt, their spirits droop, just like all hard-working Americans. Jack won the Sporting News �Fireman of the Year� award in 1966 and played for the Kansas City and then Oakland Athletics, the Seattle Pilots, New York Yankees, Chicago Cubs, Atlanta Braves, and New York Mets. When I met him some years ago, he was pitching coach of the Cleveland Indians; I caught my breath short, extending and receiving hands of friendship with a living and breathing major leaguer who was on a first-name basis with such stars as Phil Niekro and Tom Seaver. I saw him at his tallest. Arriving on the green natural field before game time, Jack came for me, in full regalia�snappy cap and shimmering team jacket. He walked across fresh, chalky baselines with a certain, lanky royalty. There were the first faint smells of popcorn and beer from the bowels from the bowels of the old stadium as the coach escorted me into the clubhouse. Jack took me into a comfortably large room filled with open booths that served as repositories for the players. �Here,� he declared, �we meet and discuss the game plan.� Like a knothole sentry, he walked past the colognes and hair dryers of the bath area towards a large bin containing thick, polished baseball bats. He said, somberly: �Nobody can touch a man�s bat. You see, Ben, they are numbered according to his uniform number. The bat is a very personal matter to a guy. Nobody can touch it.� I understood what a sacrilege was and I shook my head in awe of power and success. A little over a year later, following a season of fallen expectations and profits, Jack (and the team manager) were both summarily dismissed from their positions. Now, this same Jack, record-holder, my invincible hero, sat in the front of my automobile, shoulders slumped, his head in his hands. We were taking a ride in the country as the venerable coach tried to sort things out. His prestige, his income, and his self-image were suddenly as powdery as the faded chalk lines of that emerald ball field he had once ruled. Jack was gone, the manager was gone, as well as a number of the muscular, sleek, swaggering players I had met that shining afternoon�in a different season. A person is so much more than his baseball card, her resume, his cellular list of �contacts.� Jack is doing okay, taking in his children and grandchildren, knowing well what it means to be laid off, discarded, discontinued. Maybe this old ballplayer understands America right now better than most. MFS62 Nov 19 2008 11:00 AM Thank you, Edgy. Anyone who ever lost a job knows that you didn't have to bold that portion. We would have noticed it and commiserated(sp?) with Jack. But the way it was said was an unexpected pleasure in a piece like that, wasn't it? Later Edgy DC Nov 19 2008 11:03 AM I was just imitating the original publishing, which set it as a pullquote. Farmer Ted Nov 19 2008 12:07 PM Tim Foli will return to manage Washington's Class AAA affiliate in 2009. Met Hunter Nov 19 2008 10:37 PM John Stearns will be back managing the Nats AA team in Harrisburg as well. Benjamin Grimm Nov 20 2008 06:14 AM Tim Bogar was among three who interviewed for a spot on the Phillies coaching staff. The problem is, they thought they were interviewing Doug Flynn. Edgy DC Nov 21 2008 10:06 AM John Nunnaly, batting coach with the Columbus Clippers. Edgy DC Nov 23 2008 08:56 PM Jeff Innis, Cape Cod League Hall-of-Famer. Edgy DC Nov 28 2008 11:45 AM Tim Bogar formally accepts the Red Sox offer to coach first. John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 28 2008 12:37 PM The last 5 or 6 messages belong in that other thread. Edgy DC Dec 04 2008 10:34 AM I consider coaching jobs part of retirement. Rico's was a coaching job. I hear you, though. Nonetheless, I'm sticking with it for one more thread, as Joe McEwing takes over the Winston-Salem Former Warthogs. John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 04 2008 10:43 AM Just for that it's my duty to report that Jason Hardtke has been named hitting coach of the Missoula Osprey (Dbaggs -Pioneer League). The Baggs also named Brett Butler manager of the Reno Aces (PCL). G-Fafif Dec 04 2008 01:04 PM I once received a letter letting me know Brett Butler would come and speak to my employees and motivate them with his life experiences and faith in Christ for only $20,000. How much is each Ace going to have to ante up for the privilege? Edgy DC Dec 16 2008 09:38 AM West Michigan Whitecaps going with Met pedigree this year, adding Benny Distefano to Joe DePastino's staff. Benjamin Grimm Dec 16 2008 09:56 AM You must have overlooked Jerry Cram in your Google subscription: ="Our Sports Central":3gap6pnt] SAN JOSE, CALIF December 15, 2008- The San Jose Giants announced their 2009 coaching staff today with Andy Skeels joining the club as manager, Jerry Cram as pitching coach and Gary Davenport returning as hitting coach. Yukiya Oba also returns as the team's athletic trainer. ... Jerry Cram is familiar with San Jose after spending three years as the Giants pitching coach from 2001-2003. The former major leaguer is now entering his ninth season in the San Francisco organization after working the last five years (2004-2008) as pitching coach of the Salem- Keizer Volcanoes (Short-Season). During his time in the Giants farm system, Cram's teams have won three league championships: San Jose in 2001 and Salem-Keizer in 2006 and 2007. Cram spent parts of four seasons in the major leagues with the Kansas City Royals (1969, 1976) and New York Mets (1974-1975), compiling a 0-3 record and 2.98 ERA over 23 career appearances. Cram has devoted 28 years to the Kansas City organization, the last 14 as a pitching instructor, in a tenure that ended in 1997. Cram then spent three seasons as a pitching coach in the Colorado Rockies minor league system before joining the San Francisco organization prior to the 2001 campaign. ... The San Jose Giants open their 2009 season on Thursday, April 9th at Municipal Stadium vs. the Stockton Ports. The Opening Night Extravaganza will include a post-game fireworks display, 2009 magnet schedule giveaway, the return of Gigante and much more. [/quote:3gap6pnt] metsguyinmichigan Dec 16 2008 12:29 PM ="Edgy DC":3l94882y]West Michigan Whitecaps going with Met pedigree this year, adding Benny Distefano to Joe DePastino's staff.[/quote:3l94882y] The Whitecaps have a thing on Sunday afternoons where you can either go on the field to play catch, or go near the dugout where all the players stand in a line and sign autographs. (kids get a free soda and hot dog, too. We got to a lot of Sunday games.) So last year I brought my treasured Mets book, sought out DePastino to sign it and tried to talk to him about his short Mets tenure. Even though there was no one else around and nothing going on, he had absolutely nothing to say. Was disappointed. Maybe I'll have better luck with Benny. G-Fafif Dec 16 2008 12:37 PM ="Edgy DC":1sfgljfz]West Michigan Whitecaps going with Met pedigree this year, adding Benny Distefano to Joe DePastino's staff.[/quote:1sfgljfz] What's Distefano's Met pedigree (other than breaking up David Cone's no-hitter?) At least this will give Distefano and DePastino a chance to exchange each other's misdirected mail. Benjamin Grimm Dec 16 2008 12:49 PM He was a replacement player with the Mets in spring training 1995. G-Fafif Dec 16 2008 12:59 PM Now that you say it, it sounds remotely familiar though I have to confess I might have missed it on a multiple choice. Any other ex-big leaguers in that camp? metsguyinmichigan Dec 16 2008 02:07 PM Stan Jefferson, I think. I saw a couple of those spring games. HahnSolo Dec 16 2008 02:25 PM ="G-Fafif":1lmhw7l1]="Edgy DC":1lmhw7l1]West Michigan Whitecaps going with Met pedigree this year, adding Benny Distefano to Joe DePastino's staff.[/quote:1lmhw7l1] What's Distefano's Met pedigree (other than breaking up David Cone's no-hitter?) At least this will give Distefano and DePastino a chance to exchange each other's misdirected mail.[/quote:1lmhw7l1] Italian restaurants in West Michigan are scurrying to bid for the postgame spread. HahnSolo Dec 16 2008 02:26 PM ="metsguyinmichigan":2a90z7f9]Stan Jefferson, I think. I saw a couple of those spring games.[/quote:2a90z7f9] Two guys I went to high school with, Cliff Gonzalez (8th round pick of the Mets in '85) and Chris Walpole, were in that camp. Gonzalez and Jefferson knew each other having both been from Co-op City. John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 17 2008 09:11 AM ] DYKSTRA DROPS THE BALL By KEITH J. KELLY December 17, 2008 -- FORMER New York Mets out fielder Lenny Dykstra appears to be striking out with his magazine, Players Club. Dykstra, who helped the 1986 Mets capture the World Series before landing with the Philadelphia Phillies, is leaving behind a string of unpaid bills and a constant parade of shifting editors and office addresses. In the latest upheaval, Chris Frankie, the acting editor, resigned Dec. 4 along with two other staffers. Now Loren Feldman, former editor-in-chief of Philadelphia magazine, is said to be ready to join as the new chief editor. "Loren Feldman is the new editor," said Dykstra. Meanwhile, Frankie says he's owed back pay. But Dykstra sees things differently: "That's not true. Frankie owes me money. Whatever he's talking about is delusional." Counters Frankie, "That's beyond ridiculous. How could an employee owe an employer money?" Beyond three months' back pay, Frankie said he's also owed for business expenses. Frankie, who had originally helped Dykstra write the TheStreet.com's "Nails on the Numbers" column, got the editor job in August after Dykstra's talks with Neil Amdur, a former sports editor at The New York Times, collapsed at the last minute after a fight over Amdur's ability to hire deputies. "I did fly out there for a meeting with Dykstra about the editor's job," Amdur confirmed. "I spent a couple of days with him. He did offer me the job." The last issue of Players Club was published in October, and the November issue will now be combined into a year-end double issue that has yet to appear. His aim with the magazine was to help professional athletes make sensible investments with the money they earn from sports to ensure they don't go broke when their pro careers end. But present and former staffers say that Dykstra, who during his days with Major League Baseball had the nickname "Nails," is tough as nails when it comes to paying his staff or vendors. Frequently, sources said, he got staff to use their own credit cards to pay for ex penses related to the maga zine, and took months to re imburse the employees. Although the magazine is less than a year old, it has al ready had four different printers and three different editors. Several vendors have also stopped doing business with the magazine. The latest vendor to suspend business is Getty Images, which sources say is owed around $40,000. Dykstra claims that's not true. "I have a great relationship with them," he said of Getty. One source who's worked closely with Dykstra said he "has a haphazard way of paying - he just wires you money." "It's always that the money is just about to come in and everyone will be paid," this person said, adding that if someone demands payment, then Dykstra turns on them. "If you demand payment, then you are the enemy. "He always feels abandoned by people, but he doesn't seem to realize that he's the reason people abandon him." Frayed Knot Dec 17 2008 09:24 AM This surprises me not. John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 17 2008 09:26 AM Gotta love the irony in this venture being all about athletes spending wisely. Edgy DC Dec 17 2008 09:26 AM Another day, another house of cards. Edgy DC Dec 22 2008 03:04 PM Aaron Ledesma, infield coach for the Scranton-Wilkes Barre Yankees. The Yankees get a AAA infield coach? What a ripoff! Frayed Knot Dec 22 2008 07:36 PM Mike Bordick, head baseball coach at Boys' Latin School in Baltimore. Edgy DC Dec 26 2008 08:28 AM DJ has no regrets. Of course he doesn't. He got to be a Met. D.J. Dozier had a Bo Jackson-like versatility Posted to: 50 Greatest Sports By Ed Miller The Virginian-Pilot As William, Bill, or even Billy, it just would not have worked as well. William Henry "D.J." Dozier would have been no less the athlete without that alliterative name, smooth as one of his touchdown runs or fielding gems at shortstop. That name - "D.J. Dozier" - was the shiny bow on top of the package of prep stardom. And Dozier was the complete package: a three-sport standout at Kempsville High, wooed by virtually every major football program in the country, coveted by virtually every pro baseball scout. Virginia Tech coach Bill Dooley came to the Norfolk Sports Club in December 1982 and made a public pitch for Dozier, something that would not be allowed under recruiting rules today, when coaches can't woo prospects through the media. Major league teams waved dollar signs in front of him, trying to convince him to skip football and play baseball. Dozier, No. 12 on the list of greatest athletes from South Hampton Roads, chose football - and Penn State. Later, after several years in the NFL, he reversed course and picked up a bat and glove. Good enough to briefly make it to the majors, he was, in an era of two-sport dabblers, a local, lower-wattage version of guys such as Bo Jackson and Deion Sanders. "Obviously, when you look at the statistics, the numbers are certainly not what I hoped they would have been," said Dozier, now 43 and back in Virginia Beach working as a business consultant. "But the fact that I had the opportunity to go that far with what I would call God-given ability is a tremendous blessing." A dynamo at Penn State, Dozier forever will be a made man among Nittany Lion greats after leading the team in rushing four straight years, earning All-America honors twice and scoring the winning touchdown in a national championship victory over Miami. Things never clicked for him in the NFL, though. A first-round pick, Dozier missed time with injuries and didn't like the way the Vikings were using him - which was not too often. After three years, he signed with the Mets and began the climb through the minors in 1990. Meanwhile, contract talks with the Vikings stalled. Dozier finally re-signed with them halfway through the 1990 season. Dozier finished out that season and played six games with Detroit in 1991. With his baseball career seemingly blossoming, he left football behind. He would play just 25 games for the Mets, though, in 1992. In 1994, at 28, he moved on with his life, retiring from baseball. Dozier has coached, traveled the world doing missionary work, worked as a financial planner and investment banker. He moved back to Virginia recently from Allentown, Pa. He brought with him no regrets. Dozier said he remembered a former Kempsville teammate who played at Lock Haven University. Dozier knew he was good enough to play at Penn State and told his coaches. They offered him a chance to come to Happy Valley. In the end, though, the friend chose the security of staying at Lock Haven, later second-guessing his decision not to take his shot. "I never forgot what he told me about the regret part of it," Dozier said. "That's what it was for me with baseball. I look at it as something that was a bit nuts, but I really felt that I could do it. "The biggest thing about it is I didn't want to look back and regret not trying." He'll never have to. Ed Miller, (757) 446-2372 ed.miller@pilotonline.com metsguyinmichigan Dec 26 2008 11:17 AM That's a nice story! Plus, I'd forgotten how nasty those old Tides caps were. G-Fafif Dec 26 2008 01:32 PM ="Frayed Knot":34ueq9bz]Mike Bordick, head baseball coach at Boys' Latin School in Baltimore.[/quote:34ueq9bz] How do you suppose he'll greet his new players...or monstrously huge batboy? themetfairy Dec 26 2008 02:12 PM ="G-Fafif":1emwxaju]="Frayed Knot":1emwxaju]Mike Bordick, head baseball coach at Boys' Latin School in Baltimore.[/quote:1emwxaju] How do you suppose he'll greet his new players...or monstrously huge batboy?[/quote:1emwxaju] No - just with a simple, "Welcome Abordick," of course! Edgy DC Dec 30 2008 07:42 AM Felix Mantilla, spreading the good chromosomes around. Mantilla earning court time at Yale December 30, 2008 NEWS-SUN STAFF REPORT Mundelein High grad Raffi Mantilla has worked his way into the playing rotation for the Yale University men's basketball team. The sophomore guard has played in all eight Bulldog games (2-6 record), and is averaging nearly 10 minutes of action each game. He's scored a total of 18 points in those eight contests. Mantilla is the grandson of former major-league baseball player Felix Mantilla, who played with the Milwaukee Braves, New York Mets and Boston Red Sox in a long pro career. MFS62 Jan 03 2009 02:29 PM In keeping with the three name thread in the non-baseball forum, I'll always remember him as Felix Lamela Mantilla. (I dunno why, but his middle name always stuck in my mind) Later Edgy DC Jan 03 2009 02:31 PM Yup, and time to retire Brogna 2008.

AG/DC wrote: Why is John Favreau in the film and then inexplicably gone? Good question. The character, Happy Hogan, is a pretty decent player among Iron Man's supporting cast, or was until he was killed off recently.

AG/DC wrote: Episode one of this was full of deliberate misinformation --- using British propaganda of the time as much as McCullough's work as source material. It's kind of lousy that McCullough signed off. Examples?

="Gwreck":1zlwh6r8]It's somewhat refreshing that nobody was dumb enough to shell out the ~$5000 the greedy MeiGray group was asking for it.[/quote:1zlwh6r8] Say what you will about memorabilia sellers like MeiGray and Steiner, that probably really is the going rate for that kind of unique advertising as memorabilia. Honestly, there probably is a market for stuff like that; McDonald arches, Big Boys Big Boy, etc. Just no one that got involved in the Shea Memorabilia auctions was into it. metirish Oct 28 2008 01:28 PM ="SteveJRogers":1991yy98] Say what you will about memorabilia sellers like MeiGray and Steiner,[/quote:1991yy98] Thank you , I will. Fucking scum they are. Benjamin Grimm Oct 28 2008 01:33 PM I'm not sure I understand the animosity. metirish Oct 28 2008 01:39 PM Well he said say what you want so I did.... soupcan Oct 28 2008 02:15 PM I guess as long as there are people out there who are willing to pay those ridiculous prices then I don't have an issue with someone charging it. Capitalism and all that. I am upset at the kind of money they are asking for stuff though. I intended to get a pair of seats but $869.00? Really? For what will amount to a novelty in my yard? Then I looked around the website and I thought that this: ...would be cool. But those are up over $1,200.00. They so take advantage of our own feelings towards the team - hundreds of dollars for bricks, almost a grand for seats. Its just a little disappointing is all. soupcan Nov 01 2008 11:01 AM Say goodbye to the shrimpeaters! Field level frst base side is the first to go. Valadius Nov 01 2008 11:21 AM Do they HAVE to have debris strewn around that wonderful field? Kong76 Nov 01 2008 11:26 AM SJR: Say what you will about memorabilia sellers like MeiGray <<< Irish: Thank you , I will. Fucking scum they are <<< I know the guy who was the first premier club guy in line and I didn't get the impression that the guys willing to spend the cash thought MeiGray was hus- tling anyone ... they're brokers. He advertised the event to everyone on his memorabilia buying list and I assume he did so to generate interest among those who were obviously interested. I hope he got a kick back, it's the American way! I wrote back that they're gonna cause a few divorces to which he quipped, "never tell your wife what you're really spending on Mets' stuff!" soupcan Nov 01 2008 11:49 AM ="Valadius":3pluypt1]Do they HAVE to have debris strewn around that wonderful field?[/quote:3pluypt1] I think that's kinda unavoidable when you're tearing a structure down. What are they supposed to do - follow the bulldozers around with a broom and dustpan? metsmarathon Nov 01 2008 02:40 PM that's just silly. what they should do is gingerly remove each and every peice the way it was originally put in, and delicately hand carry it out of the stadium grounds, stepping only on the red carpet laid across the field, and place each dutifully salvaged quantum of the stadium into its own velvet lined receptacle wherein it will remain interred through the end of time. soupcan Nov 03 2008 07:55 AM Dunkin' Donuts Down! Benjamin Grimm Nov 03 2008 07:57 AM I expected it would be surrounded by a large puddle of spilled coffee. soupcan Nov 03 2008 07:57 AM Link There are more pictures on the site. ] November 1, 2008 Bulk of Shea Stadium awaits sale in Bridgewater company's warehouse By MICHAEL DEAK Staff Writer From the outside it looks like an unremarkable warehouse, not like the pyramids in Egypt that were built as mausoleums for the pharaohs. But inside that squat warehouse are treasures that, for New York Mets fans, are as valuable as anything that has ever been found inside the pyramids. It is the Bridgewater warehouse of the MeiGray Group, which has the task of selling all the contents of Shea Stadium, except for the seats. Warren resident Barry Meisel, a former sportswriter for the New York Daily News who is the president and chief operating officer of the MeiGray Group, doesn't want the exact location of the warehouse disclosed for security reasons because it houses thousands of items saved from Shea Stadium before the stadium's slow demolition started earlier this month. Everything is for sale, except for two items that Meisel bought for himself � a picture of the celebration after the Mets clinched the World Series in 1969, and the portion of the center field wall that bears the 410-foot marker. "I always wanted that," he said. Memorabilia Meisel estimated that the warehouse contains from 5,000 to 7,000 items from Shea Stadium. Some of the items are relatively minor, such as the hundreds of nameplates that were placed on the back of seats occupied by season ticket holders. There are numerous boxes of photographs taken from the walls of corridors, executive offices, suites and inside the stadium. The pictures are blown-up images of legendary Mets and the unforgettable moments from the team's 46-year history. In the middle of the warehouse is a nondescript pile of wood found at any demolition site. But, Meisel said, it is a special pile of wood � boards from benches in both the home and visiting team dugouts. The boards were never replaced in the dugouts but have been painted many times, he said. Also in the middle of the warehouse are the 150-foot foul poles that have been broken into 25-foot sections. There are rows of lockers from both the Mets and visitors' locker rooms, as well as cubicles from where players hung their clothes and kept their valuables during games. Throughout the warehouse are piles of outfield wall sections including the retired numbers of players and managers. Flags that flew at the top of the stadium have also found a home in the warehouse. There also are hundreds of signs from throughout the stadium � signs that hung on restroom doors and signs that directed fans to the subway station. A sign of team mascot Mr. Met saying smoking is prohibited in the stadium has already been sold for $100, Meisel said. And there are hundreds of curiosities: an orange water cooler with the Mets logo and a plaque from Seton Hall University honoring Frank Cashen, who was the Mets general manager in the 1980s and considered to be the architect of the team that won the 1986 World Series. There is even a lime marker that came from the Polo Grounds, the original home of the Mets, that was still used by the grounds crew at Shea. Toward the front of the warehouse is a cluster of fan assistance, concession and program booths that Meisel said would look great in any Met fan's backyard. One of the most intriguing items is the concrete marker that was placed in the left field upper deck where centerfielder Tommie Agee hit the longest home run in Shea Stadium's history, on April 10, 1969. Some of the most popular items salvaged from the stadium are not in the warehouse because they've already been sold. All of the stadium's 31 turnstiles have been sold. It was a daunting job, but all of the items were recovered from Shea Stadium after the last game of the season. Swing bidder Many of the items from Shea will be auctioned on the MeiGray's group's Web site. The first auction ended Friday, Oct. 31, but Meisel said there will be future monthly auctions. He estimates it will take a year to sell everything from the stadium. Proceeds from the sale will be divided among New York City, which owns the stadium, and the Mets Foundation, said Jay Horowitz, vice president of media relations for the Mets. The Mets Foundation funds and promotes a variety of charitable causes, including educational, social and athletic programs for young people. What people are willing to pay for some of the items has Meisel scratching his head. For example, the wrought-iron "tree surrounds" with the Mets logo that protected the trees in the parking lot are receiving bids of more than $1,000. Menu board signs from concession stands are fetching bids around $1,000. A section of the outfield wall goes for close to $900. Bids on ketchup and mustard holders with the Mets logo are more than $500. Even a neon Bud Light sign has a bid of $515. As a literal sign of better times, an outfield wall panel with an AIG advertisement had a bid of $1,420. "This (sale) only happens once every 45 years," Meisel said. A Jersey boy Meisel and his partner Bob Gray started the MeiGray Group in the 1990s. After 19 years as a sportswriter for the Daily News covering professional hockey and the New York Giants, Meisel said he became tired of traveling. Meisel's decision to channel his interest in sports into a new career came at an opportune time. With the economy growing steadily, the market for collectible sports memorabilia began to boom in the late 1990s. He developed the idea of selling authenticated jerseys that were worn by professional hockey players. He wrote a business plan and approached one of the teams that he used to cover, the New York Rangers, and in August 1997 signed an exclusive deal to sell the team's previously worn jerseys. The Rangers deal led to agreements with the New Jersey Devils. Next, the MeiGray group inked deals with NBA teams. An NHL or NBA player goes through about six jerseys during a season, three in the home uniform and three in the away uniforms, he said. Last week, as Meisel was sitting in the warehouse, he showed a jersey that had been worn the previous night by Elton Brand, an NBA veteran free agent, who had made his debut as a Philadelphia 76er on the night of Wednesday, Oct. 29. "It smells," Meisel said. "It's sweaty." But it's also valuable to collectors and fans of Brand. That's why representatives, working with the teams' equipment managers, of the MeiGray Group often go into locker rooms immediately after games to get the jerseys. The key to the business, headquartered in Branchburg, is the authentication process that guarantees buyers they are getting genuine items. The jersey comes with a letter of authentication with the team's letterhead, Meisel said. The MeiGray Group has seven full-time employees who are responsible for acquiring the items, cataloging and pricing them, selling them and then shipping them to the buyers. "We have a great staff," Meisel said, adding that he hires collectors to help him put values on the items. The company's growing reputation was one of the reasons why the MeiGray Group got the contract with the Mets to sell the memorabilia from Shea Stadium, which is owned by the City of New York. Meisel is no longer spending hours away from home traveling for his job, but said he works from 60 to 70 hours a week. "I'm happy," he said. "This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity." John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 03 2008 07:58 AM ="soupcan"]Dunkin' Donuts Down! Finally some destruction I can support. It be cool if we cracked that open and Rachel Ray would come out naked. Edgy DC Nov 03 2008 08:01 AM it would be kind of cool to give the Agee marker to the Agee family. Ditto the Seaver/Stengel/Hodges numbers. Farmer Ted Nov 03 2008 08:42 AM The DD sign was an eyesore. Those stupid police lights and the K sign were bad ideas drawn up by some idiot in a board room. Edgy DC Nov 03 2008 08:47 AM Doesn't this look like they composed a Met jersey and photoshopped it onto a Yankee picture of Wille? metirish Nov 03 2008 08:48 AM ] Finally some destruction I can support. It be cool if we cracked that open and Rachel Ray would come out naked. Saw her recently and couldn't believe how heavy she has gotten. Benjamin Grimm Nov 03 2008 08:55 AM Rachael Ray is an example of how someone can be both cute AND unappealing at the same time. Edgy DC Nov 03 2008 08:58 AM Can we just not talk about happy homemakers from TV ever? Benjamin Grimm Nov 03 2008 09:04 AM metsguyinmichigan Nov 03 2008 09:53 AM ="Benjamin Grimm":2zdqcdh1]Rachael Ray is an example of how someone can be both cute AND unappealing at the same time.[/quote:2zdqcdh1] Well, if you go back to the early shows on Food Network, she was always a little chunky, part of her girl next door appeal. She certainly had a makeover when the show went big, and this year appeared to have some, um, surgical enhancements, in the chest area, unless they did some severe Photoshop work for the magazine covers. My crush on Rachael is well-known, and somewhat tolerated by my wife. Benjamin Grimm Nov 03 2008 11:14 AM It's not her weight that makes her unappealing, it's the noises that come out of her mouth. G-Fafif Nov 03 2008 11:42 AM ="Edgy DC":2j9ucmx8]Doesn't this look like they composed a Met jersey and photoshopped it onto a Yankee picture of Wille? [/quote:2j9ucmx8] This would explain why the Mets in recent years seemed so flat. metsguyinmichigan Nov 03 2008 12:10 PM ="Benjamin Grimm":1wzmvwjl]It's not her weight that makes her unappealing, it's the noises that come out of her mouth.[/quote:1wzmvwjl] She talks? Benjamin Grimm Nov 03 2008 12:17 PM She tries. themetfairy Nov 03 2008 01:02 PM She squawks. seawolf17 Nov 03 2008 02:46 PM ="soupcan":1mxbmvn9]A sign of team mascot Mr. Met saying smoking is prohibited in the stadium has already been sold for $100, Meisel said.[/quote:1mxbmvn9] FUCKIN' HELL. That's all I wanted from the stadium. I just left a message with someone at MeiGray. soupcan Nov 07 2008 07:18 AM Found these at baseball-fever.com First game ever at Shea... Last game ever at Shea... Benjamin Grimm Nov 07 2008 07:37 AM It was prettier when it opened than when it closed. Edgy DC Nov 07 2008 08:39 AM The pitch could have been in better condition. G-Fafif Nov 07 2008 09:00 AM A ballpark that looked better with a parking lot in the background will now itself be a parking lot. The irony is as thick as the outfield grass was thin. Benjamin Grimm Nov 07 2008 09:12 AM Looking at the two photos together really shows how much garishness was added to Shea over the years. I'm sure Citi Field with start out with a lot of that clutter already in place. I can only imagine what it will look like 40 years from now. (And I hope I live to find out! At this point, another 40 years is about as much as I care to get.) John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 07 2008 09:33 AM ="Edgy DC":2749cxyp]The pitch could have been in better condition.[/quote:2749cxyp] Shea was barely complete when it opened. They worked till the very last minute. They said it was very soft and muddy in the outfield. metirish Nov 07 2008 09:40 AM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":1qbr6llo]="Edgy DC":1qbr6llo]The pitch could have been in better condition.[/quote:1qbr6llo] Shea was barely complete when it opened. They worked till the very last minute. They said it was very soft and muddy in the outfield.[/quote:1qbr6llo] Was there even a fence at the back behind CF separating it form the parking lot , it's hard to tell. soupcan Nov 07 2008 09:43 AM And half of the parking lot isn't even paved yet. Willets Point Nov 07 2008 09:46 AM All the cars are the same size though. soupcan Nov 11 2008 08:03 AM First base Field level is gone, Third base nearly so. themetfairy Nov 11 2008 08:14 AM One advantage to implosions (yes, I realize that wasn't possible in this case) is that they're quick. This is like a band-aid being slowly and painfully peeled off. seawolf17 Nov 11 2008 11:29 AM ="themetfairy":2tehg78d]One advantage to implosions (yes, I realize that wasn't possible in this case) is that they're quick. This is like a band-aid being slowly and painfully peeled off.[/quote:2tehg78d] No kidding. I should stop opening this thread. G-Fafif Nov 11 2008 12:26 PM That sure was some tadium. Zvon Nov 11 2008 12:57 PM ="themetfairy":3vpl9tnq]One advantage to implosions (yes, I realize that wasn't possible in this case) is that they're quick. This is like a band-aid being slowly and painfully peeled off.[/quote:3vpl9tnq] I couldn't have said it better. I have to say I am a bit surprised how the destruction of Shea is effecting me. It has to be this slow torturous way I'm viewing it bit by bit. ="seawolf17":3vpl9tnq]No kidding. I should stop opening this thread.[/quote:3vpl9tnq] I'm with you seawolf17. Edgy DC Nov 11 2008 01:12 PM We let this happen. More than a few advocated it's happening. It's no time to turn away now. themetfairy Nov 11 2008 01:22 PM I'll own up to wanting the new stadium. I'm not denying that. But I've seen this transition done in several other cities during the past few years, and to a team they've all handled it better than the Mets have. Kong76 Nov 11 2008 01:34 PM I'm enjoying the pictures and saving everyone one of them. Keep 'em coming, I stopped licking my wound about ten days ago. Kong76 Nov 11 2008 01:35 PM tmf: they've all handled it better than the Mets have <<< How so? soupcan Nov 11 2008 01:39 PM I'll miss the old girl too but c'mon. Think of what it will be like having wide walkways! Benjamin Grimm Nov 11 2008 01:42 PM Wide walkways and legroom are nothing to sneeze at. I'd feel differently if I still lived in New York. But as rarely as I get to Shea Queens to see the Mets play anymore, I don't think Citi Field will ever feel like home to me. themetfairy Nov 11 2008 01:44 PM I remember the Phillies homage to the Vet in 2003 - a stadium that was younger than Shea and didn't have nearly the history Shea did. IIRC they were the first to take down a number before each game, but they made sure that every number was taken down by someone with a meaningful connection to the team or the stadium (not a Lincoln Mercury dealer in the lot). Their post-game ceremony after their final game was very moving (I'll find the link to it shortly), without the idiotic delay that Mets fans had to endure after Shea's final game. They had books ghost written by the Phillies Phanatic helping prepare younger fans for the move. From top to bottom it just seemed like a much better thought out operation. Edgy DC Nov 11 2008 01:49 PM That has little to do with photos of the de-construction. Is a delay before a ceremony such a big deal? themetfairy Nov 11 2008 01:52 PM The delay before the ceremony was just endemic of the half-assed job the Mets did in properly celebrating Shea's final season. They had an opportunity to do the old girl real justice, and they dropped the ball every chance they could. I couldn't find that footage of the final game ceremony at the Vet on the Phillies' site (and I feel very dirty trolling around there - ick!). But it had much more of a well-planned feel to it. Kong76 Nov 11 2008 01:56 PM How did we get from handling the transition in a day by day demolition thread which you said other teams did better to closing ceremonies and silly number countdowns? themetfairy Nov 11 2008 02:06 PM ="KC"]How did we get from handling the transition in a day by day demolition thread which you said other teams did better to closing ceremonies and silly number countdowns? I mentioned the transition in general. You asked for details. I think that if the Mets did a better job in paying homage to Shea this past season that people wouldn't be as upset about its destruction as they are. Agree or disagree with that premise - it's merely a theory. Edgy DC Nov 11 2008 02:08 PM I wouldn't feel dirty seeking for it if you liked it. If you like it, you like it. It's all MLB's website anyhow. I'm just not ready to kick the Mets because they don't demolish the stadium in a manner comparable to the White Sox or the Rangers. Or such having anything to do with why folks say they won't open this thread. themetfairy Nov 11 2008 02:12 PM You seem to be switching gears, going from "we let this happen/some advocated for it" to "I'm not ready to kick the Mets." You cool with this or not? Kong76 Nov 11 2008 02:15 PM tmf: I mentioned the transition in general. You asked for details <<< How did all the others "to a team" handle the dismantling of their old stadium better than the Mets? Edgy DC Nov 11 2008 02:21 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 11 2008 02:27 PM You're excerpting phrases out of sentences there. It's clear to anybody that I didn't support a new stadium. How it's demolished is a moot point and I don't see how it can be done better, or indeed has been done better by everyone else. Frayed Knot Nov 11 2008 02:25 PM Maybe they can demolish the stadium by bringing each piece out on a velvet pillow laid out on a sled pulled by a puppy dog. I'm sure we'd all feel better then. This wound-licking is getting too much. I want video of the destruction and i hope it's bloody. Benjamin Grimm Nov 11 2008 02:29 PM I don't think the Mets did such a bad job with the last year of Shea. Yeah, there were too many Lincoln-Mercury dealers pulling down the numbers. But I think the closing ceremony was nicely done. Very nicely done. themetfairy Nov 11 2008 02:36 PM The physical demolition of Shea has to be done in this manner because implosion is not possible. My point is that I don't think that people would be reacting to the demolition process as painfully as they are if the Mets had done a better job of honoring Shea properly in its final season. Benjamin Grimm Nov 11 2008 02:38 PM Speaking only for myself, I just find it a little bit sad. No pain though. themetfairy Nov 11 2008 02:39 PM I know people who are in real pain over this. Kong76 Nov 11 2008 02:44 PM There's no way I could cull what fairy's point was from what she typed, I don't read posters minds, we were talking about the demolition pics. Problem with getting too wrapped up in the Mets will never be the same with- out good ol' Shea is before you know it's twenty years from now and you're writing letters to the paper like Bob L about how greener the grass was there and popcorn fresher. The bathroom floors were even drier and less sticky 20 years from now too I bet and those wonderful sight lines ... themetfairy Nov 11 2008 02:50 PM If that's the case, then I weep for the yet-to-be-finished Citi Field. Frayed Knot Nov 11 2008 02:54 PM I think we're starting to sound like the wound-lickers we used to make fun of; - oh no, this stadium is being destroyed worse than any other stadium in the history of destroyed stadiums - only the Mets could paint their foul lines crooked - why did Shea have to die so young? Kong76 Nov 11 2008 02:57 PM tmf: I know people who are in real pain over this <<< Send 'em here! Edgy DC Nov 11 2008 03:00 PM ="Frayed Knot":3qcqh3up]I think we're starting to sound like the wound-lickers we used to make fun of; - oh no, this stadium is being destroyed worse than any other stadium in the history of destroyed stadiums - only the Mets could paint their foul lines crooked - why did Shea have to die so young?[/quote:3qcqh3up] Wait a minute, that second one wuz you. Edgy DC Nov 11 2008 03:00 PM ="KC"]tmf: I know people who are in real pain over this <<< Send 'em here! I think they're minors. Kong76 Nov 11 2008 03:02 PM Actually, Iubital's post yesterday ("it doesn't surprise me") started me on this build up of let's stop the wound licking that was bound to come out. I think. I ain't going back to look. (OE: meaning the foul line not lining up) themetfairy Nov 11 2008 03:18 PM ="Edgy DC"]="KC"]tmf: I know people who are in real pain over this <<< Send 'em here! I think they're minors. No - the minors I know aren't as connected to Shea as most of the adults I know. Kong76 Nov 11 2008 03:24 PM How do they feel about the demolition? Do the also feel that it's being handled "to a team" much worse by the Mets? Or are they just bitter about the closing ceremonies and number countdown too? Send 'em here. themetfairy Nov 11 2008 03:32 PM Who are you talking about? Kong76 Nov 11 2008 03:39 PM The people who are in real pain over this, McFly. themetfairy Nov 11 2008 03:45 PM I'll leave it to them to specifically reply to you or not. Kong76 Nov 11 2008 03:50 PM If they're here (and I suspected they were) then you should have left them out of your poor defense to begin with and let them speak for themselves. You wiggled off like four hooks in this thread. G-Fafif Nov 11 2008 04:06 PM There is beauty, pain and joy in baseball. When they gut and pry apart where you experienced most of it, a person is likely to reflect on all three and feel, upon viewing the kinds of pictures in question, one of those sensations in particular. The beauty and the joy may have been carried out safely before MeiGray could sell them, but it is not surprising that the pain should linger and overshadow for many if not all across the duration of the demolition. Later? Who knows? We haven't been there yet. I suspect the beauty and the pain and the joy will coalesce into the warmer memories the magic of distance allows. Reality says somebody's doing a job in taking down Shea Stadium. Reality says the plan has been on the table long enough for everybody to adjust to the plan. But baseball and reality were never intended to mesh so easily. Kong76 Nov 11 2008 04:17 PM Eloquent as ever, and on topic. Bravo! themetfairy Nov 11 2008 04:29 PM ="KC":cumx5g68]If they're here (and I suspected they were) then you should have left them out of your poor defense to begin with and let them speak for themselves. You wiggled off like four hooks in this thread.[/quote:cumx5g68] Don't ask direct questions if you're not going to like the answers. What was I supposed to do? Ignore you? G-Fafif Nov 11 2008 04:32 PM ="KC":3vuetxpl]Eloquent as ever, and on topic. Bravo![/quote:3vuetxpl] Thanks much, but just throwing the last pitch of what TMF stated quite reasonably, I think...Benitez to the Fairy's Leiter, as it were. themetfairy Nov 11 2008 04:33 PM Thanks G. Kong76 Nov 11 2008 04:35 PM I disagree, I think she said something and then changed it to something else and then played on then something else. I have to stop, I'm gonna start getting PM's about causing waves in the bath tub. Frayed Knot Nov 11 2008 04:38 PM ="Edgy DC"]="Frayed Knot"]I think we're starting to sound like the wound-lickers we used to make fun of; - oh no, this stadium is being destroyed worse than any other stadium in the history of destroyed stadiums - only the Mets could paint their foul lines crooked - why did Shea have to die so young? Wait a minute, that second one wuz you. Yes, but I was just noting the fact that they looked off via the angle in that aerial shot. What followed was a reply which stated that only the Mets could do something like that as if the new stadium really will have foul poles 150' from home plate on account of this organization being so incompetant that the thought of seeing where the lines actually lead hasn't yet occured to anyone during this whole multi-million dollar operation. I'd bring up the one post wondering if they really had to ruin the grass with all that machinery during the deconstruction but I don't think that one was totally serious (although I waver at times). G-Fafif Nov 11 2008 04:39 PM I find it way more upsetting that I posted my way up from Richie Hebner only to morph into Jerry DiPoto. Who ranks these things? Oh right. Us. themetfairy Nov 11 2008 04:46 PM ="KC":6z6ktyl3]I disagree, I think she said something and then changed it to something else and then played on then something else. I have to stop, I'm gonna start getting PM's about causing waves in the bath tub.[/quote:6z6ktyl3] I did nothing of the kind. I answered a question that you asked me. You chose not to like the answer. Kong76 Nov 11 2008 05:05 PM I ain't outlining it for you, and don't be so fucking snippy. You're not always right. themetfairy Nov 11 2008 05:07 PM I'm just playing defense here. I'm not the one accusing people of changing things around. Nor have I done or said anything that merits you swearing at me. Kong76 Nov 11 2008 05:16 PM I'm sorry, but you're just freakin' maddening sometimes. Poorly handled transition does not equal demolition. Go wiggle yourself. themetfairy Nov 11 2008 05:24 PM I never said it equaled demolition. I was talking about people's reactions to the demolition. And nothing I said justifies the kind of reaction you're having. Kong76 Nov 11 2008 05:33 PM No, your first response was about the closing ceremonies and the count down .... have you been drinking with cooby? I'm comfortable with my reaction for purposes of this thread and I apologize for cursing and that's all I have to say on the matter. C'mon, "go wiggle yourself" was pretty funny. themetfairy Nov 11 2008 05:43 PM No, I have not been drinking. This is what you consider an apology? I made a comment about the transition being handled poorly. You asked me to extrapolate. I did, and you reacted in a pretty hostile manner. If you don't like my opinion that's your prerogative. But you needn't go off like that just because you disagree with it. Kong76 Nov 11 2008 05:50 PM I apologized for cursing, that's it. Your reading comprehension skills are taking a beating in this thread. themetfairy Nov 11 2008 05:54 PM No. I'm simply taking a beating for not seeing an issue exactly the way that you do. Kong76 Nov 12 2008 04:20 AM A beating? If I was gonna get nasty I'd dig up a picture of you in a Phillies uniform and really stick it to you. I'm ultimately taking the beating when we argue because the bath house mentality of this board will almost always side with you. Mean ol' KC. *sigh* HahnSolo Nov 12 2008 06:42 AM Hi, I'm here for the "intelligent, lively and provocative discussion of the Mets, Ed Kranepool, and on a good day, the Ramones." Am I in the right place? Kong76 Nov 12 2008 06:58 AM seawolf17 Nov 12 2008 07:17 AM ="HahnSolo":3u9spspm]Hi, I'm here for the "intelligent, lively and provocative discussion of the Mets, Ed Kranepool, and on a good day, the Ramones." Am I in the right place?[/quote:3u9spspm] Eff that. I come here for the weekly KC/Scarlet fights. Edgy DC Nov 12 2008 07:35 AM I missed a GREAT NIGHT. Zvon Nov 12 2008 08:48 PM whats all this then....? Pages of posts but nary an image. Addressing the issue of pain... Some of us do feel pain in regard to Shea's demise. It's not even that bad. Its a pang....a feeling of remorse. It hurts on a level that's hard to express, and its a passing phase. Eventually this will be a thing of the past. Not yet though, seeing it being ripped down bit by bit, here and at other places as well. I have been going around and collecting pictures of Shea myself. Anything I come across. Early days,recent times,....even the demolition. So I bop in here and I see there have been additions to the Shea Photo thread, and I'm like, "Oh kool! Maybe its one I haven't seen. Hope its the older Shea...but any nice pic of Shea would be sweet to see..." I hope to see pictures of Shea in way of a recollection, an homage. That's just me though. Maybe there should be a seperate thread for Shea's demolition, ...I dunno. But it's really not a big deal. As you can see I'll still check out this thread, hoping for kool pics of Shea Stadium when it was in use. I've come across some really great Shea photos online recently, especially at Baseball Fever. Like this one. I am 95% positive that thats me running onto the field after game 5 of the '73 NLCS. Edgy DC Nov 12 2008 09:05 PM Classy look. Apparently, nobody was allowed in that day --- by law --- except 21-year-old white males with shoulder-length hair, workshirts, and bellbottoms. Zvon Nov 12 2008 09:15 PM ="Edgy DC":3fjgok91]Classy look. Apparently, nobody was allowed in that day --- by law --- except 21-year-old white males with shoulder-length hair, workshirts, and bellbottoms.[/quote:3fjgok91] Not so. I was 15. Kong76 Nov 13 2008 04:34 AM EDC: Classy look. Apparently, nobody was allowed in that day --- by law --- except 21-year-old white males with shoulder-length hair, workshirts, and bellbottoms ------------- I never noticed, but you're right. It looks like they just opened a gate for field level gen adm for a Deep Purple concert or something and all the guys are scrambling to get a good spot. Cool picture to be in. G-Fafif Nov 13 2008 05:42 AM It's fascinating, from a cultural perspective, to contrast the crowds storming the field images from '69 and '73. The tumult of the '60s may have waned away from the ballpark, but its remnants seem to have become codified in places that were largely shielded from change while change was at its most intense: like the ballpark. (Which is probably what pissed Dick Young off so.) It's often been said there was more of an edge to the '73 rushing of the field than '69's, for what that's worth. I don't remember the Orioles complaining they were frightened for their well-being the way the Reds did. That YouTube clip that MLB pulled earlier this year, the pregame show from Game Four of the '73 World Series, showed (to me anyway) what a different world we were living in versus four years earlier, not just in style but substance. If you recall, Kubek, Seaver and Hunter were all taking Charlie Finley to task for his handling of the Mike Andrews situation. Questioning authority, kind of a radical concept in establishment circles in 1969, was part of the polyester fabric of the game by 1973. Probably not a coincidence this was the same year as the Senate's Watergate hearings nor that within two weeks there would be such a backlash to the Saturday Night Massacre. soupcan Nov 14 2008 09:54 AM Latest shots from wcbs880 chopper... Field level is completely gone now. Here's some interesting stuff that I got from baseball fever. Shea Demolition Plans: Edgy DC Nov 14 2008 09:58 AM What's a "NON-BEARTING STRUCTURE"? Benjamin Grimm Nov 14 2008 10:00 AM Before anyone else beats me to it, let me just get this out of the way: It figures! The stupid Mets can't even get the spelling right! Willets Point Nov 14 2008 10:04 AM Question for Zvon. Is your shirt open showing your Siegfried & Roy hairless chest or were you wearing a fleshtone t-shirt? Zvon Nov 14 2008 01:26 PM ="Willets Point"]Question for Zvon. Is your shirt open showing your Siegfried & Roy hairless chest or were you wearing a fleshtone t-shirt? lol. I never went around displaying my slinky chest so I'm sure that's a T-shirt. Doubt it was fleshtone, probly orange. Thing is I'm not positive that's me. First time I saw the pic I looked right past that guy searching for me. Eventually I got back to him and thought that must be me. I have no recollection of what I wore that day. I do know I was a skinny guy with long hair who always wore white sneaks. If I had on a flannel shirt, which I wore often enough, it be rolled up at the sleeves. And the path I took puts me right about where that guy is. After that I ran to the edge of the home plate grass, stopped... saw that girl on the mound (looks like she's going for the rubber <[joke setup<]).. our eyes met...I ran to her on the mound and we did a Koosman/Grote type jump and hug. Twirled in a circle, split and ran in different directions. I never saw her again but I'll never forget that moment. Benjamin Grimm Nov 14 2008 01:27 PM I had no idea that Marlo Thomas was there that day! metirish Nov 14 2008 01:34 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 14 2008 01:34 PM WOW , what a great picture , guy in the yellow shirt at second stands out and I count three suits that might be security , one to the right of yellow shirt and one to the left of Buddy and one n front of him. Edgy DC Nov 14 2008 01:34 PM That's a great story. How about Barry Gibb chicken dancing to your right? Zvon Nov 14 2008 01:37 PM ="Edgy DC":38ctzctd]That's a great story. How about Barry Gibb chicken dancing to your right?[/quote:38ctzctd] No hug for him. Zvon Nov 14 2008 02:31 PM The thing about storming (and that's a very apt description) of the field in '73, and why it did get out of control, was that every kid wanted to be part of that moment, to be part of the celebration like in '69. And as the game went on we all had the same idea : to get down to field level so it was possible. We did the same thing during game four. I ended up on the 1st base side then. Rose hit that extra inning homer and the celebration was over. I was right on the rail behind the added box on the 3rd base side late in game 5. The Reds families were sitting in them. Eventually the game was stopped and they were led out to the Reds bullpen for their safety. And it's not that we were bothering them personally in any way, shape or form (fans did taunt them when they were being led away though, lol). Its just that there was a sea of people behind them that became like one big giant swaying creature. We could not move independently, could hardly even breath. And you know what I did then? I jumped the rail into the make shift box. Like the Reds families I was a bit concerned for my safety. Unfortunately everyone along the rail ended up jumping into the box like lemmings. Again we became crammed. I saw the fans on the 1st base side did the same thing, but they were so packed in that the little wooden wall that enclosed the section collapsed, and they spilled out onto the field. The game had to be halted again. Tug was on the mound at this point. He was pissed off. I remember him approaching the pile of people waving his arms over and over in an upward motion as if to say EVERYONE! BACK UP AND INTO THE STANDS! It was pretty crazy. I got so sandwiched in the corner of the box that I felt that we were gonna burst out on this side too. I jumped out and went down into the Reds dugout. I was able to hide in plain sight there for quite a few minutes, sitting on a stool in the far corner of the dugout. Eventually a cop came up to me and asked what I was doing there. I told him...I was trying to stay alive, lol. He told me I had to stay alive back up in the stands. This was when I was shown on TV, when the cop was talking to me. (my parents and brothers got to see that from home. My bros thought it was the koolest thing, my folks were like wtf were you doing?). I've told this story before here (I have also mentioned looking for the footage of me on TV and it is nowhere to be found.) but I don't think I ever stressed the point that what happened occurred because too many kids had this dream of being in a '69 like celebration highlight reel. And what actually happened was we so embarrassed the team, the game, the city, that that footage will forever be locked away and forgotten. One of my best Shea memories though. A Boy Named Seo Nov 14 2008 02:40 PM I re-read that part about you being in the Reds dugout a couple times thinking I misread or misunderstood you. That's the craziest thing I've ever heard. Wild story, man. Thanks for sharing. dgwphotography Nov 15 2008 12:28 PM I think I'm one of the one's in real pain over this that TMF is referring to. The thing is not once has the countdown, the ceremonies, or anything that the Mets did or didn't do play a role in it. It is simply the fact that a place that has been a desired destination for me for over 35 years is no longer there. Shea is a place that I dreamed about visiting since my aunt gave me my first yearbook in 1972. It's the knowledge that I will never feel the attachment to the new place that I do to the old place. It's the fact that it was a home away from home of sorts - a place where I knew ever nook and cranny, where I knew where to get the best knishes, or the best dogs. A place that is home to so many memories. Whatever the Mets did or didn't do to mark this occasion plays no role in how I feel about it. Benjamin Grimm Nov 15 2008 01:43 PM I agree with that, except for the part about feeling real pain. I feel a touch of sadness, and a sense of loss, but I wouldn't call it pain. Kong76 Nov 15 2008 04:31 PM I'd like to get a copy of that CAD file with the non bearting typo. Hell, they show part of the guy's name and addy and it was easily discovered who and where he is. Maybe he's got a sense of humor and would leak one to us. Edgy DC Nov 15 2008 07:56 PM Scarsdale. Vic can take a short drive and knock on his door. cooby Nov 16 2008 08:19 PM Zvon, great picture, great stories! cooby Nov 16 2008 08:20 PM And what does "Non Bearting" mean? soupcan Nov 18 2008 11:01 AM All of these from baseball-fever.com Edgy DC Nov 18 2008 11:11 AM What? The auction house couldn't generate any action on the spongetech.com sign? Farmer Ted Nov 18 2008 11:17 AM Soup's top photo shows the location of our old seats. Crushing. Willets Point Nov 18 2008 11:25 AM ="Edgy DC":133d3wiq]What? The auction house couldn't generate any action on the spongetech.com sign?[/quote:133d3wiq] Maybe Bubba Sponge? Farmer Ted Nov 18 2008 11:31 AM Missed the Spongetech sign. Very sponge worthy. soupcan Nov 20 2008 10:01 AM More pictures available at nycsubway.org 9/1963 5/10/1964 8/1/1979 8/1/1979 Tiles removed between 1979 and 1980. 8/16/1980 9/24/2008 holychicken Nov 24 2008 09:01 AM Might be a bit late for this coming in after all of the destruction pics . . . but this is one of my favorite pictures of shea. It is my gf's younger sister. John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 24 2008 09:47 AM ="holychicken"]Might be a bit late for this coming in after all of the destruction pics . . . but this is one of my favorite pictures of shea. It is my gf's younger sister. Is she like, legal? holychicken Nov 24 2008 09:56 AM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":22rs38rb]Is she like, legal?[/quote:22rs38rb] Oh, I see. You see a dark-skinned person and immediately think "illegal immigrant." You should be ashamed! ehehhe SteveJRogers Nov 24 2008 11:37 AM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket"]="holychicken"]Might be a bit late for this coming in after all of the destruction pics . . . but this is one of my favorite pictures of shea. It is my gf's younger sister. Is she like, legal? Uh, 'Bucket, aren't you very much attached at the moment? Now Chicken, I ask you the same question! Benjamin Grimm Nov 24 2008 11:39 AM I find it a little odd to be lusting after someone when all you know is the shape of her nose. Edgy DC Nov 24 2008 11:44 AM And which pores are and aren't corrupted. holychicken Nov 24 2008 12:06 PM Exactly. I didn't even post a picture of her most desirable body part, her posterior. Dear god, tell me my gf doesn't read this forum or she will surely whup me. seawolf17 Nov 24 2008 12:08 PM ="holychicken":21z05y4i]Exactly. I didn't even post a picture of her most desirable body part, her posterior. Dear god, tell me my gf doesn't read this forum or she will surely whup me.[/quote:21z05y4i] It's okay, you can still post it. We don't mind. Edgy DC Nov 24 2008 12:25 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 24 2008 12:42 PM Butts, schmutz. Steve's a snot man. seawolf17 Nov 24 2008 12:38 PM ="Edgy DC":1hrzmxox]Butts, schmutz. Steve's a snot man.[/quote:1hrzmxox] Must be a Yankee fan thing. SteveJRogers Nov 24 2008 01:14 PM ="holychicken":26x42lii]Exactly. I didn't even post a picture of her most desirable body part, her posterior. Dear god, tell me my gf doesn't read this forum or she will surely whup me.[/quote:26x42lii] Geez, I was just following Bucket's lead. I mean I need some Met Chick love more than he does! soupcan Dec 04 2008 08:12 AM All from baseball-fever John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 04 2008 08:18 AM Mike Mulligan always said his Steam Shovel could take down one stadium as fast as 100 men could in a day, although he was never quite sure of that. Benjamin Grimm Dec 04 2008 08:26 AM So now they're chewing away at the Loge level? Are they going to get to a point where there's just an unattached Upper Level (or Upper Tank as Keith Hernandez would call it) floating high in the air? soupcan Dec 04 2008 08:28 AM Yeah that's weird isn't it? You'd think they'd go top to bottom rather than the other way around. I'd like to think that they are professional demolishers and know what they are doing rather than they might just be stupid. Edgy DC Dec 04 2008 09:21 AM I don't know. These two guys aren't winning any smart awards with me right now. << dgwphotography Dec 04 2008 10:58 AM ="soupcan"] Zvon - is it me, or does this look tone-mapped? It looks like it has that HDR glow to it... HahnSolo Dec 04 2008 11:21 AM ="Edgy DC":2sv0q5gv] I don't know. These two guys aren't winning any smart awards with me right now. <<[/quote:2sv0q5gv] Those two guys are still waiting for their hot pretzel ordered at the last home game. G-Fafif Dec 04 2008 12:30 PM Talk about your stiff Breezes playing havoc with Shea's outfield. Valadius Dec 04 2008 02:00 PM Part of me is rooting to see the picture of them ripping down that Fox News sign. Edgy DC Dec 04 2008 02:14 PM You strike me as somewhat partisan. Am I right? soupcan Dec 04 2008 02:17 PM Who Vlad? Nah - he's as fair and balanced as they come. Kong76 Dec 04 2008 03:45 PM I sent those latest photos to a friend of mine. He wrote back that he thought they were building a new stadium and not just fixing up Shea and slappin' on a new coat of paint like in years gone by. Chucklehead. Zvon Dec 04 2008 04:57 PM ="Iubitul"]="soupcan"] Zvon - is it me, or does this look tone-mapped? It looks like it has that HDR glow to it... Yes. Especially in comparison with the others. It does bring the shaded areas out. Zvon Dec 04 2008 05:02 PM I wish they would get this over with. How are they gonna take down the highest heights sans demolition? themetfairy Dec 04 2008 05:12 PM It may take a while. I remember Old Comiskey Park was in a state of partial demolition when we visited New Comiskey in August of 1991. Kong76 Dec 04 2008 05:22 PM Z: How are they gonna take down the highest heights sans demolition? <=== Cranes and stuff, and how is what they've been doing not demolition? Kong76 Dec 04 2008 05:52 PM tmf: It may take a while. <=== They don't really have much time if they plan to level the joint and make it a parking lot. My guess is they'll finish well before opening day. I don't want to get into union contracts twice tonight, but they make it worth it to finish on time so there's no lolligaggin' nowadays. Zvon Dec 05 2008 03:10 PM ="KC":21ab889l]Cranes and stuff, and how is what they've been doing not demolition?[/quote:21ab889l] Sorry. I meant the usage of explosive charges. Kong76 Dec 05 2008 03:42 PM I figured, I was just goofin'. soupcan Dec 09 2008 08:13 AM Upper deck wrecking ball. BAM! Benjamin Grimm Dec 09 2008 08:32 AM They should have painted the wrecking ball to look like a baseball. metirish Dec 09 2008 08:33 AM That would have been really taking the piss on those that see that as a sad event. Benjamin Grimm Dec 09 2008 08:37 AM It would be a nod to tradition. It's what they did with the Ebbets Field wrecking ball. The same ball was used a few years later on the Polo Grounds: Benjamin Grimm Dec 09 2008 08:50 AM Cincinnati's Crosley Field too! soupcan Dec 13 2008 02:19 PM Wow - now I'm even starting to have a hard time looking... baseball-fever.com Benjamin Grimm Dec 13 2008 02:36 PM Yikes. Edgy DC Dec 13 2008 02:55 PM GYAH! Kong76 Dec 13 2008 07:10 PM They didn't sell the panels depicting the leap and Seaver's head? Edgy DC Dec 13 2008 07:23 PM It looks like the terrorist hit we were praying wouldn't happen actually did. Kong76 Dec 13 2008 07:44 PM Fuck terrorists, an accidental plane crash on a foggy evening in the wrong flight path was what I thought mighta happened one day. *62 Dec 14 2008 12:56 PM The pictures may be gruesome but the Stadium has overstayed its welcome. I may miss living in Brooklyn desperately, but 3,000 sq. ft. is way better than 920. Edgy DC Dec 14 2008 05:11 PM I don't get the reference. *62 Dec 14 2008 05:39 PM I love Shea for lots of reasons, and will miss it some ..... but it's a dump. Better? Edgy DC Dec 14 2008 05:53 PM I thought those numbers referred to something. Rockin' Doc Dec 14 2008 06:57 PM I think *62 lives in Florida if my memory is correct. He apparently once lived in Brooklyn and apparently hung out at Shea quite a bit in the past. I think he was stating that he missed living in Brooklyn, but preferred the 3000 sq. ft. of living space he can now afford over the 920 sq. ft. of living space he had in Brooklyn. Living in the south and comparing costs for homes with my friends and relatives relatives that live near the city, I understand what he is referring too. Then again, maybe I miss interpreted the meaning of his post. Either way, it's nice to have *62 posting here again. I hope he hangs around. soupcan Dec 16 2008 01:42 PM StadiumPage.com Benjamin Grimm Dec 16 2008 02:04 PM It's amazing that just ten weeks ago it was still full of color and people and noise. soupcan Dec 18 2008 07:45 PM soupcan Dec 29 2008 07:51 AM soupcan Jan 05 2009 12:40 PM G-Fafif Jan 05 2009 12:52 PM Impressive Photoshopping, Soup. Quite interesting to see what Shea Stadium would look like if somebody went mad and started to tear it down. If it wouldn't be too much trouble, please put Shea back together again. Thank you. batmagadanleadoff Jan 05 2009 01:18 PM ="soupcan"]http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q308/soupcan11/shea5-1.jpg That neon batter just reminded me of Gary Carter' follow through, particularly the way Gary would take an inside pitch and line drive one-bounce it to the outfielder for a single. Are there any other Mets that the neon hitter resembles? Edgy DC Jan 05 2009 02:35 PM Looks kind of slender for Carter. It also looks like a guy going to right, while Carter more typically pulled. metirish Jan 13 2009 01:35 PM from 01/10/2009 metsguyinmichigan Jan 13 2009 02:35 PM They're not saving any of the neon players? I know they're huge. but heck, they could slice them up and sell them for $10 a foot to geeks like me! Zvon Jan 13 2009 02:58 PM ="metsguyinmichigan":8phckkps]They're not saving any of the neon players? I know they're huge. but heck, they could slice them up and sell them for $10 a foot to geeks like me![/quote:8phckkps] Why sell just their feet? John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 13 2009 04:19 PM wham G-Fafif Jan 13 2009 04:53 PM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":1virpusd]wham[/quote:1virpusd] "Wake Me Up Before You Go Go" vs. "Baby I'm Your Man" Whoops...wrong thread. metirish Jan 15 2009 08:00 AM Newsday today has a classic Shea pictures collection. Die-hard fans dance in the aisles at 1:50 a.m. during the 21st inning of a 25-inning marathon game between the Mets and the Cardinals at Shea Stadium. (AP Photo / September 12, 1974) A view of Shea Stadium during the national anthem before a New York Mets-Los Angeles Dodgers game in 1973. (AP Photo / June 9, 1973) Fans rush onto the field and players celebrate after the Mets defeated the Baltimore Orioles to win the 1969 World Series. (AP Photo / October 16, 1969 A view of Shea Stadium after after souvenir-hunting fans ripped up the sod following the Mets' victory in the 1969 World Series. (AP Photo / October 16, 1969) Pirates first baseman Willie Stargell waves to the crowd at Shea Stadium during Willie Stargell Night at Shea. The man at left wiping his eye is Nelson Doubleday, Mets chairman of the board. (Newsday / Paul J. Bereswill / September 27, 1982 The new owners of the Mets pose at Shea Stadium. From left: Stephen E. O'Neil, president of City Investing Company; Nelson Doubleday, president of Doubleday Co.; Fred Wilpon, Chairman of the Board of Sterling Equities and John O. Pickett, owner of the NHL New York Islanders, who was instrumental in setting up the sale of the team. Pickett was not listed as an owner of the club. (AP File Photo / January 25, 1980) Car fire involving several cars in the Shea Stadium parking lot during a game in 2002. (AP Photo / April 27, 2002) Workers Angelo DiMaria, left, and Dominico Bannezo clean off old paint and rust as they get Shea Stadium ready for Opening Day in 2001. (Newsdya / J. Conrad Williams Jr / March 28, 2001) > soupcan Jan 15 2009 08:09 AM Amazing how much Jeff looks like his dad used to. Even down to the bad hairdo. ="metirish"] Edgy DC Jan 15 2009 08:10 AM Car Fire Day: Best. Promotion. Ever. HahnSolo Jan 15 2009 08:36 AM I miss crazy old Uncle Nelson. soupcan Jan 15 2009 08:39 AM Pop Quiz - without looking it up, how much did Nelson & Jeff pay for the Mets in 1980. If I remember right, I think it was $20 million. Farmer Ted Jan 15 2009 08:45 AM I only recall $350 million or so to finally kick Doubleday to the curb in '02. Edgy DC Jan 15 2009 09:02 AM Who pitched on Car Fire Day? metirish Jan 15 2009 09:07 AM ="Edgy DC":kdd41i0v]Who pitched on Car Fire Day?[/quote:kdd41i0v] I remember that game , I should say I remember it from watching it on TV and the announcers talking about the fire in the parking lot and showing it. I'll guess that Steve Trachsel pitched . John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 15 2009 09:14 AM ="soupcan":sgwypaic]Pop Quiz - without looking it up, how much did Nelson & Jeff pay for the Mets in 1980. If I remember right, I think it was $20 million.[/quote:sgwypaic] For some reason $21 million is the number I remember but geez. Edgy DC Jan 15 2009 09:14 AM Pedro Pistacio took a no-hiiter into the seventh the day after a crisp one-hitter by Testes. It was game two of a three-game sweep over Milwaukee and, for a minute there, it looked like the 2002 Mets had scrapped together a winning rotation of Leiter-Estes-Astacio-D'Amico-Trachsel. That plan blew up in the parking lot like so many SUVs. Edgy DC Jan 15 2009 09:15 AM Is that logo stitched together? It acually looks like a giant shoulder patch. soupcan Jan 15 2009 09:16 AM D'Amico. I had high hopes for him. soupcan Jan 15 2009 09:17 AM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":esm8z809]For some reason $21 million is the number I remember but geez.[/quote:esm8z809] I think you're right. dgwphotography Jan 15 2009 11:19 AM ="batmagadanleadoff"]="soupcan"] That neon batter just reminded me of Gary Carter' follow through, particularly the way Gary would take an inside pitch and line drive one-bounce it to the outfielder for a single. Are there any other Mets that the neon hitter resembles? flip it around, and it's Mex. attgig Jan 15 2009 12:16 PM ="metirish"] Fans rush onto the field and players celebrate after the Mets defeated the Baltimore Orioles to win the 1969 World Series. (AP Photo / October 16, 1969 > i wonder if that will ever be allowed in pro sports. when did that stop? it's only on college that you see fans rushing the field. why is that? Edgy DC Jan 15 2009 12:19 PM Because student athletes don't need/demand protection from the masses the way millionnaire atheletes do. Why is the cop screening home plate doing the time warp? metirish Jan 15 2009 12:23 PM How about the guy down the RF line jumping from the stands? Benjamin Grimm Jan 15 2009 12:23 PM I think it stopped in 1986, at least in New York. The fans rushed the field after the division clincher, but the mounted cops prevented it in the World Series. I think, though, that the Phillies had the cops on horseback for the 1980 World Series. John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 17 2009 12:20 PM I went out there this morning, photos on facebook. Here's a vid shot as the 7 train arrives in Willets Pt. metirish Jan 17 2009 01:59 PM Great pictures btw. soupcan Jan 18 2009 01:53 PM These are from baseballfever... Kong76 Jan 18 2009 02:08 PM Even dollar cost averaging down to ~ 7 1/2, that sums up my Citigroup stock feelings. I've been somewhat unaffected by most of the images, but this one is particularly eerie to me: Kong76 Jan 18 2009 02:10 PM I know the home opener is late this year, but are they really gonna have the ol' girl completely gone by then and a parking lot installed? I thought they'd be more far along. Benjamin Grimm Jan 18 2009 03:30 PM I'm not sure they have to. The existing parking lot served Shea for the last few years, and Shea held more fans than Citi will. Kong76 Jan 18 2009 03:37 PM I don't mean they have to, I just thought that was the plan. Since groundbreaking, parking there has been a pain in the neck and I took the train mostly to games. I like to tailgate, plan on doing it a lot this year, and it's easier to do with a car. John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 18 2009 04:26 PM ="Kong76":3gm6qt5k]I know the home opener is late this year, but are they really gonna have the ol' girl completely gone by then and a parking lot installed? I thought they'd be more far along.[/quote:3gm6qt5k] Official plan is the last bits of Shea are to be disappeared by June 30. Those photos put mine to shame! metirish Jan 23 2009 02:23 PM Vince Coleman Firecracker Jan 23 2009 02:43 PM An auto body shop in a Quonset hut. Fantastic. Willets Point Jan 23 2009 02:44 PM I've got dibs on "City * Field * Collision" as my band's name. Frayed Knot Jan 24 2009 11:28 AM The ends of the horseshoe are starting to disappear http://www.wfan.com/pages/3706726.php?imageGalleryXRefId=907755#imgXR http://www.wfan.com/pages/3706726.php?imageGalleryXRefId=907756#imgXR G-Fafif Jan 24 2009 11:53 AM It's a stump, but it's our stump. dgwphotography Jan 24 2009 01:07 PM soupcan Jan 26 2009 12:33 PM More at stadiumpage.com Frayed Knot Jan 26 2009 12:56 PM btw, Harvey Araton tees off the Yanx in a piece in Sunday's NYTimes. Specifically it's the sweet time they're taking in getting rid of the old park even though the new one is nearly finished and that the whole deal was based on trading stadium space for park land, park land that now seems destined for 2011 at the earliest. Their answer as to when they'll get around to even starting deconstruction is essentially "when we fuckin' get around to it - now go away and stop bothering us", even as they had no problem making a public spectacle about marching their offices across to the new digs the street last week. "Mayor Bloomberg, tear down this stadium" metirish Jan 26 2009 01:16 PM The arrogance of all involved is sickening , how I despise all things Yankees. SteveJRogers Jan 26 2009 02:14 PM Supposedly they are going to use YSII for a movie production, plus the plan was that either the Mets or Yankees would use YSII to play games if either Citi Field or YSIII weren't ready come April. So despite the arrogance, there really are valid reasons why it is still up. Frayed Knot Jan 26 2009 02:36 PM Even if using YSII was the on-paper 'just-in-case' backup plan in the event that some wild mishap went on with the construction of either of the new stadiums the virtually ZERO chance such a plan would ever be put into place has now shrunk to roughly that of the Lions being put into next week's Super Bowl were a case of bubonic plague to sweep through either the Steeler or Cardinal camp. And, as the article mentions, they've yet to even select a company that would do the deconstruction or set a date as to when it might start. So the reason it's not only still up but will be so for at least another year has everything to do with the fact that they haven't finished milking the old girl for every cent she's worth and if that means that the city that just re-re-issued more tax-free bonds as the price climbed over a billion dollars and the local kids in the neighborhood they claim to care so much for (whenever they weren't threatening to leave that is) go without a public park for the next few years well then that's none of their damn business. metirish Jan 28 2009 08:10 PM New York Times ] In Dead of Winter, Shea Stadium Is Melting Away By KEN BELSON Published: January 28, 2009 With each passing day, Shea Stadium, the home of the Mets since 1964, fades further from Citi Field, the team�s new home. In the last few weeks, demolition crews have been ripping down entire sections of Shea from both ends of the outfield decks toward its middle. What was once a semi-enclosed bowl with 57,000 seats is now a skeleton of a grandstand. In the first weeks after the Mets finished their final season at Shea (with another desultory loss that knocked them out of playoff contention), crews removed the seats, signs and anything else that could be sold to collectors or reused in city parks. Then demolition crews started knocking out the field level and the concrete decks that made up the loge and the mezzanine. But the structure of the stadium, built for nearly $30 million, was largely intact. Not so anymore. Since the beginning of the year, crews have clawed away at Shea�s walls and beams, exposing escalators, elevator banks and air ducts. The stands above Gates A and E have vanished and parts of the neon players that adorned the outside of the stadium are gone, too. Twelve sections of the upper deck still have their concrete floors, but the other sections that remain are outlined only by their steel beams. Unlike stadiums in other cities that have been imploded, Shea had to be taken down piece by piece because of building codes. The rat-a-tat-tat of the construction machinery drowned out the noise of the jets taking off from LaGuardia Airport. Tarps on chain link fences say �Almost Home,� a reference to the soon-to-be-opened Citi Field, but also the six-month process of erasing Shea. In all, nearly 10,000 tons of steel and another 2,500 tons of concrete will be pulled out of Shea. Some of the concrete will be ground up and reused as the base material for the parking lot that will be installed in its place. The lot will include space for 2,000 cars and signs marking where home plate and the pitcher�s mound once were. Team representatives said that the demolition will be completed some time in the coming weeks, which is not hard to imagine. On Wednesday, lines of dump trucks made their way onto what was once the outfield, weaving around piles of crumpled metal and concrete covered in snow. Several Web sites have sprung up that have chronicled the destruction of the place where Seaver once threw, Piazza once squatted and the Stork, George Theodore, once roamed. In a way, the sites are a testament to the morbid curiosity of Mets fans, who have endured many morbid Mets teams. �It�s interesting how they are doing it piece by piece,� said Eric Okurowski, a 31-year master�s candidate and a life-long Met fan from Babylon, N.Y., who runs stadiumpage.com. �Most old stadia are blown up and it takes just a few seconds. It�s pretty interesting seeing it come apart in pieces over the course of four months.� Okurowski and several other die-hard fans are organizing a final farewell at Shea at noon Saturday to share stories and take photographs of what is left of the ballpark. As Shea diminishes, Citi Field emerges. While less imposing than Shea, the new stadium, at least from the outside, has an elegance that Shea lacked. Instead of the lattice of concrete ramps that constituted Shea�s exterior, Citi Field is covered in brick and punctuated with arches and an entrance rotunda. Flood lights highlight the outside while klieg lights illuminate what is left of Shea. More Articles in Sports �A version of this article appeared in print on January 29, 2009, on page B18 of the New York edition. apmorris Jan 29 2009 04:58 PM ="metirish"]New York Times ] Okurowski and several other die-hard fans are organizing a final farewell at Shea at noon Saturday to share stories and take photographs of what is left of the ballpark. Anyone going? (bring a camera) metirish Jan 29 2009 05:28 PM People are going http://www.faithandfearinflushing.com/ G-Fafif Jan 30 2009 03:38 PM Damn, dirty apes... apmorris Jan 30 2009 04:43 PM ="G-Fafif"]Damn, dirty apes... Awesomenessness Kong76 Jan 30 2009 07:24 PM Classic pic. dgwphotography Jan 31 2009 05:41 AM that's just brilliant. Benjamin Grimm Jan 31 2009 05:44 AM That really is brilliant. metirish Jan 31 2009 05:47 AM Yeah it's very clever. themetfairy Jan 31 2009 06:19 AM It's just a model.... batmagadanleadoff Jan 31 2009 04:06 PM I'm guessing that the picture has something to do with the Statue Liberty finale in Planet of.... But that picture never came up on my browser. Not today. Not yesterday. Benjamin Grimm Jan 31 2009 04:14 PM Me neither. I had to right click, select "Copy Location" and paste the following in my browser: http://faithandfear.blogharbor.com/_photos/heston.jpg Edgy DC Feb 02 2009 07:05 AM You MANIACS! soupcan Feb 05 2009 07:11 AM From stadiumpage.com Just a matter of time now.... Benjamin Grimm Feb 05 2009 08:06 AM It's starting to look more like the grandstand you'd see at a race track. Frayed Knot Feb 05 2009 08:11 AM Never can say goodbye No no no no, I Never can say goodbye Even though the pain and heartache Seems to follow me wherever I go Though I try and try to hide my feelings They always seem to show Then you try to say you're leaving me And I always have to say no... Tell me why Is it so That I ... Never can say goodbye No no no no, I Never can say goodbye Evertime I think I had enough I start heading for the door There's a very strange vibration That pierces me right to the core It says turn around you fool You know you love her more and more Tell me why Is it so Don't wanna let yo go I never can say goodbye soupcan Feb 06 2009 10:55 AM These are from wcbs880.com. And there are a few more there as well. G-Fafif Feb 08 2009 03:10 PM Shea among the ruins... Kong76 Feb 08 2009 03:47 PM I called KB over and asked if she wanted to see an eerie picture on my laptop and she saw this and started bawling. "That's all that's left? When was that picture taken?" "Uh, I guess last time it snowed." ... (I'm obnoxious in real life too) and I told her this is like a 25 page thread of the destruction of Shea and we started talking about our Moms and games and tailgates and she got me all throaty too and crying and screw you all but ok I admit that it's hard to see the old thing disappear and I've been suppressing the sadness. There, I said it. dgwphotography Feb 09 2009 07:41 AM the first time we go there this year will be a shock. Edgy DC Feb 09 2009 07:50 AM We should go and have a tribute concert in the parking lot. G-Fafif Feb 09 2009 10:37 AM ="Kong76":1akaid2f]I called KB over and asked if she wanted to see an eerie picture on my laptop and she saw this and started bawling.[/quote:1akaid2f] My wife, who worked downtown throughout the fall of 2001, invoked Ground Zero in terms of what it reminded her of looking at. soupcan Feb 13 2009 10:09 AM Another from baseballfever.com metirish Feb 13 2009 10:27 AM Great pictures over there...taken this morning from the #7 train Benjamin Grimm Feb 13 2009 10:48 AM They should leave that last chunk in place. smg58 Feb 13 2009 12:34 PM I drove past it the other day. It's really sad to see it. soupcan Feb 14 2009 07:21 AM I'm at LaGuardia waiting for a flight. Drove past Citi and Shea. Shea looks so sad and insignificant. I'm excited and wistful at the same time. cooby Feb 14 2009 08:22 AM Please, check for ice and geese. Not joking. soupcan Feb 14 2009 08:38 AM We're flying Continental - what could go wrong? dgwphotography Feb 14 2009 09:44 AM ="metirish"] It's fitting that that's the last piece left... Frayed Knot Feb 14 2009 09:49 AM Think of it as an image of Koosman throwing the final pitch of the '69 WS. It could be Orosco/'86 too but it looks more like Koosman. dgwphotography Feb 14 2009 09:51 AM hmmmm.... I always saw Matlack in that image... dgwphotography Feb 14 2009 09:57 AM ="Iubitul"]hmmmm.... I always saw Matlack in that image... Actually, no. Bob Ojeda. SteveJRogers Feb 14 2009 11:49 AM ="Iubitul"]="Iubitul"]hmmmm.... I always saw Matlack in that image... Actually, no. Bob Ojeda. What is that watermark on the other side of the card top? A Boy Named Seo Feb 14 2009 11:58 AM ="metirish"]Great pictures over there...taken this morning from the #7 train Nice pic, Irish. Poor, little Shea getting swallowed up by Citi on both sides. Kong76 Feb 15 2009 01:46 PM We took a ride out there today. We packed up a camera, a couple of Heineken keg cans (KB drove) and set out. I was kind of emotional getting ready but by the time we were in the car and on our way I was kinda excited. There were a bunch of people milling about doing the same thing we were and while I didn't talk to anyone we all smiled and nodded to each other like we got it. What we really should have done was cooked a few hot dogs one more time but the beer was enough I guess to count as a tailgate of sorts. The pictures posted all over the internet get redundant after awhile I suppose, but I got a few unique images. metirish Feb 15 2009 02:20 PM Great pictures , thanks. themetfairy Feb 15 2009 03:08 PM Nice shots Kase! LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 15 2009 05:20 PM Thanks, sir. Beautiful and gut-wrenching. (All in all, this offseason's been like a months-long wake... except one where the guests take parts of the deceased with them as souvenirs.) A Boy Named Seo Feb 15 2009 05:30 PM Great shots, man. Love the one of you raising your can of Heiny in salutation. holychicken Feb 15 2009 05:49 PM Whoa, crazy, KC. I was there today too and took some very similar pictures. I was the jackass with my little brown dog off the leash. He was very happy to be out running about like that. Edgy DC Feb 15 2009 06:01 PM Should have a concert out there. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Feb 15 2009 06:05 PM Or an Irish wake? -Loading up on Jameson fifths/Cueing up "Body of an American" on the iPods. Kong76 Feb 15 2009 06:13 PM holyc: I was the jackass with my little brown dog off the leash <<< I didn't see any little brown pups running about. It's funny, but I really thought I'd run into at least one Mets' fan I knew out there. Running into you woulda been cool and we coulda done a Heiny. holychicken Feb 15 2009 07:42 PM Yeah, I figured there would be no one there but the when I saw the number of people there I figured I would see someone I knew. I checked everyone saw there, but didn't recognize anyone as well. I figured my dog would have stuck out tho more than me DocTee Feb 15 2009 08:27 PM Cool pics, thanks for sharing them. Did you pour some of that Heiny on the ground, ghetto style, to remember Shea, your fallen friend? Kong76 Feb 16 2009 01:11 PM Tee: Did you pour some of that Heiny on the ground <<< I have to confess that I did deposit some used Heiny behind some construction materials. Edgy DC Feb 16 2009 01:13 PM I'm going to guess you haven't puked at Shea since October 12, 1982. Kong76 Feb 16 2009 06:24 PM I had to google the date but I didn't yak that night. John Cougar Lunchbucket Feb 17 2009 09:25 AM Nice shotz guys. ah, screw it. Zvon Feb 17 2009 12:28 PM ="SteveJRogers"]="Iubitul"]="Iubitul"]hmmmm.... I always saw Matlack in that image... Actually, no. Bob Ojeda. What is that watermark on the other side of the card top? That's the Desert Storm logo/thing they added to sets of cards for the troops overseas back in the day. themetfairy Feb 17 2009 02:00 PM Zvon! How have you been? attgig Feb 17 2009 03:53 PM http://twitpic.com/photos/bluenautica one last piece remaining. Frayed Knot Feb 18 2009 11:14 AM Last piece down (video available via Newsday's main sports page) It's all over but the sweeping. soupcan Feb 24 2009 08:02 AM These I guess are almost a week old. From http://www.stadiumpage.com Edgy DC Feb 24 2009 08:14 AM To heck with your copyright, Gary. soupcan Feb 24 2009 08:32 AM 'Zactly. Zvon Feb 24 2009 02:38 PM ="Edgy DC":33njl1ow]To heck with your copyright, Gary.[/quote:33njl1ow] I'll photoshop that out. Shhhh. holychicken Feb 24 2009 03:59 PM ="Zvon":13ygrx4a]="Edgy DC":13ygrx4a]To heck with your copyright, Gary.[/quote:13ygrx4a] I'll photoshop that out. Shhhh.[/quote:13ygrx4a] Simple crop job ought to do. Edgy DC Mar 16 2009 02:56 PM Mini-Shea ripped up from the ground. http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/16/you-too-can-own-a-piece-of-the-mini-city/ Farmer Ted Mar 16 2009 03:14 PM They couldn't save those two satellite dishes? Coulda saved me a few bucks with DirecTV.

Even more reasons cities like NYC, Boston, Cleveland, Philly, Pittsburgh, Detroit, Cincy and Baltimore should have domed baseball stadiums. That, or severe tightening of the postseason schedule. But I say, why not both!

] 1. Domes are more expensive to build, especially when you're trying to get public financing. Only a portion of Citi is publicly funded, the Mets are putting up most of the bill. ]4. Most of the time games can be rescheduled. The odds of a fifth game of the World Series in a torrential downpour are slim enough for most teams that it would be hard to justify the dome on those grounds. Well, I'm talking about games that AREN'T rescheduled. Where the Mets, Yankees, Indians, Red Sox, Orioles, Phillies, etc, make fans sit for hour upon hour for the game to start, restart, or whatever on real nasty, raw, cold nights. And there are plenty of those nights as opposed to games called before they open the stands. The latter at Shea you can probably count on one hand, how many times that has happened over the last decade. And just because that original design was bad, doesn't mean scrap the concept entirely. I mean look at all the retractable domes out there now, they have real turf fields.

Rain delay time.

soupcan wrote: ="SteveJRogers"]I really wonder why Citi Field lost its dome? Answer: $1,000,000,000.00. Actually, I don't think it would have cost that much more.

What I'm referring too, courtesy of StadiumPage.com

Makes you wonder why the North East and Ohio teams didn't try to get their domed stadium proposals through. Granted that dome on top of the original design for the project soon to become Citi Field back in the late 1990s was awful, I really wonder why Citi Field lost its dome?

Elster88 wrote: ]the contentious relationship he had with Manny Acta, according to Newsday ??? Manny Acta was hired by Omar, not Willie.

Damn, so much for me hoping that Rollins botch would start the Rays' rally.

Can they actually have a rain shortened clincher?

Frayed Knot wrote: Since when did they start allowing in-series roster moves? I hope there's some sort of limit what moves can be made or I could see some serious manipulations at some point. What happened? I know that can only happen if you declare a player injured (i.e. Mike Lowell and Richie Weeks in the ALDS, all based on the Clemens situation last year).

BTW, this series is proving the biggest "non-controversy controversy of recent postseasons, but look for it to return the next time" wrong with the "Look for the Rays to dominate because the Phillies had too much rest" argument. I'm all for eliminating extra off days and tightening up the postseason as well, but it really is a silly argument to blame blowouts on too much rest in-between a team that swept or won the LCS in 5 games, as opposed to their opponents who won the LCS in a 7 game war. Kind of like blaming Super Bowl blowouts on the extra week between the championship game and the Super Bowl.

MLB.com's internet broadcasts probably had something to do with all teams' radio networks shrinking. As well as the deal with XM, or now SiriusXM. BTW, anyone know when the deal with WPIX/WB/CW/Whatever we are calling ourselves this year 11 is up?

Tampa Rays vs. Philadelphia Phillies. Fox's worst nightmare for the 2008 postseason has been realized! Though Milwaukee might have been a worse option than Philly.

I for one find it amazing that all these years the backing of that thing was just a canvas and it never was repainted Kind of strange to see the old, original backing of that scoreboard with Shea as it looked in its final years.

I don't know, one more win and he goes farther than the Mets have since the trade. To say nothing about the Met and Post-Met career of Victor Zambrano.

Rays flip-flop Shields and Kazmir. Kazmir will now start Game 5 vs. Dice-K. Heh, wonder how many Met fans out there are hoping he get lit up the way Lester did Monday night.

Watch it you piss taker you.

holychicken wrote: ="Frayed Knot"]Don't throw dirt on them too quickly, they were down 3 games to 1 last year also. 11-2 Rays heading to the 8th. In fact, 2 times in the last 3 post seasons they have done it . . . and in both times they had one game left at home and then 2 on the road. Red Sox have got them right where they want them. Not true, last year the Sox had the best record in baseball, so they had Game 6 & 7 in Fenway. Now, the question is though, if the Sox win Thursday night, will the young Rays be as tight as the veteran Yankees in 2004?

Frayed Knot wrote: Don't throw dirt on them too quickly, they were down 3 games to 1 last year also. 11-2 Rays heading to the 8th. I was just thinking that earlier, the Sox have them "right where they want them!" Though last year they had the advantage of Games 6 and 7 in Fenway.

Hey, Val must be happy, Mike Timlin just tied Mariano Rivera with the most appearances in postseason history! No doubt he'll break that record tomorrow night or if the series gets back to Tampa. Why yes I'll be cracking jokes at Val's expense on the issue of MFYs holding any sort of record for a little while longer.

Frayed Knot wrote: Networks using small samples and pretending they paint large pictures is par for the course. What was more amazing is that before last night's game Yahoo Sports had some Yahoo talking with the Red Sox about how they had no regrets not pulling the trigger on the Lester for Santana deal! Yeah, I'm sure with Beckett hurting, and despite his troubles in Octobers past, the Sox wouldn't love to have Santana on the mound right now. Bottom line though about that story, you can say that easily only if Santana had a injury riddled or ineffective season, or even both. Johan Santana clearly did not, and did all he could to get the Mets into October, it just wasn't enough in the end.