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="Edgy DC":3mhnvlei]="SteveJRogers":3mhnvlei]You asked where the Met-Hate comes from, I'm clarifing it for you by holding up a fucking mirror.[/quote:3mhnvlei] And it wasn't me that asked.[/quote:3mhnvlei] Fair enough. themetfairy Nov 17 2008 10:31 AM ="SteveJRogers"]="Benjamin Grimm"] And your affection for Mariano Rivera is pretty irrational too. You have no further proof than CF/SK and other's "theories" that are asine based on the fact that they DON'T know what happened, they DON'T know what security is like in Panama, and they don't believe in blamming the kid for not checking to see if the fencing was off when he jumped in to get the rod. Fine - YOU go for a swim in his pool then. metirish Nov 17 2008 10:32 AM It was I that asked , blame the Irish if you must. Actually I never expected this kind of response , seriously , no really I didn't. Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 10:35 AM Thanks, can you cop to making up quotes to generalize about the entire board when the only one using words like that was centerfield? Can you cop to spinning the incident using nebulous terms like "was involved with"? Will you admit to being wrong that nobody else anywhere has criticized him? Can you get that mirror out of my face? I don't like it. I think Manny Corpas may be more popular among Panamanians, but don't throw a mirror at me if I'm wrong. John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 17 2008 10:40 AM omg Fman99 Nov 17 2008 10:45 AM ="SteveJRogers"]="Benjamin Grimm"] And your affection for Mariano Rivera is pretty irrational too. Lets see: 1) The man is a man of God, and is essentially the Roberto Clemente of Panama. Very charitable and very much a pillar of that communtiy. Even if you disagree with his religious belief system, you have to at least admire that, and no it is not "SO HE PAINTS CHURCHES" it is about doing the work and not simply giving money to charity, it is about getting your hands dirty and doing the work. 2) Other than aforementioned incident in which I've found only people on this board feel that he is culpable for, there has been not a single sliver of controversy attached to him in any sort of either wrong doing, or him being labeled a jerk during brushes of greatness. In other words, he is one of the good guys of the game. Therefore, how is ANYONE's affection for him irrational? Wow, you sound like Dennis Hopper's character in "Apocalypse Now." Time to start cutting the pills in half Jeets. I can hate Rivera - he wears a Yankee uniform. Duh. It's not rocket science or wizardry. Go play with your Giambi dolls. Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 10:46 AM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":yuzgwi48]omg[/quote:yuzgwi48] Yeah, I know. Manny Corpas. What was I thinking? SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 10:48 AM ]Thanks, can you cop to making up quotes to generalize about the entire board when the only one using words like that was centerfield? Fine, but most of this board feels the same way as CF does. As evidence to the infamous thread between me and SK a few years back in the RLF. ]Can you cop to spinning the incident using nebulous terms like "was involved with"? No, because that is the extent of his involvement in the incident. There really isn't a smoking gun. ]Will you admit to being wrong that nobody else anywhere has criticized him? Other than blovating Yankee hating forum members? Seriously, try putting the theory on any rational board, even filled with Yankee haters, and you get looked like you wear a tin foil hat. Look, the point is that people have irrational hate for teams and players, that is the bottom line answer to Irish's original question. SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 10:49 AM ="Fman99":3b129hmh] I can hate Rivera - he wears a Yankee uniform.[/quote:3b129hmh] I wasn't referring to "sports hate," I'm talking about hating on the human being that goes beyond the uniform. Benjamin Grimm Nov 17 2008 10:51 AM This is becoming one of those threads, isn't it? Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 10:55 AM ="SteveJRogers":1lqkd4ig]Fine, but most of this board feels the same way as CF does. As evidence to the infamous thread between me and SK a few years back in the RLF.[/quote:1lqkd4ig] Nonsense. Is there something between saint and murderer? You don't know how "most of this board" feels. ="SteveJRogers":1lqkd4ig]No, because that is the extent of his involvement in the incident. There really isn't a smoking gun.[/quote:1lqkd4ig] He'd be in deeper water in the United States. Of that, I think even you are certain. ="SteveJRogers":1lqkd4ig]Other than blovating Yankee hating forum members?[/quote:1lqkd4ig] Please don't tempt me with any more name-calling. You're wrong. SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 10:59 AM ="Benjamin Grimm":2a4403r2]This is becoming one of those threads, isn't it?[/quote:2a4403r2] Me against all of you based on the fact that this group seems to be the only people who irrationally hate Mariano Rivera as a person, which I'm using as a point of people's irrational hate on sports teams and players? Yeah it does seem like it. Hell, I can't even find one person that agrees with CF's/SK's and other's theory on the former home of this forum, so what does that tell you? themetfairy Nov 17 2008 11:02 AM ="SteveJRogers":23qztokh] Hell, I can't even find one person that agrees with CF's/SK's and other's theory on the former home of this forum, so what does that tell you?[/quote:23qztokh] That nobody else around here is so obsessed that they want to go dig up ancient threads. The issue, btw, goes back to the person who was electrocuted in Rivera's pool a few years back. CF and I were pretty appalled by the incident. Steve, apparently, finds it excusable. Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 11:03 AM Steve Rogers talks shit about the Crane Pool on another forum: http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84643 SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 11:04 AM ="Edgy DC":1wmnx6qa]He'd be in deeper water in the United States. Of that, I think even you are certain. [/quote:1wmnx6qa] Security concerns are quite different here than Panama, of that I think even you are certain. Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 11:05 AM Good. What's your point, Crane Pool insulting guy? SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 11:07 AM That people have irrational hate for teams and players based on a natural disposition to hate said team and players. metirish Nov 17 2008 11:09 AM ="Edgy DC":3rnp96ob]Steve Rogers talks shit about the Crane Pool on another forum: http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84643[/quote:3rnp96ob] omg Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 11:10 AM Goodness, Steve. I challenged you to find one such statement from me. Stop with the sweeping generalizations. You're making 'em here. You're making 'em at sites that couldn't care less about us. seawolf17 Nov 17 2008 11:16 AM /throws some popcorn in the microwave /sits back and watches train wreck Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 11:17 AM Glad I could help your day along. Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 11:25 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 17 2008 11:26 AM Steve tries to get support for his viewpoint at a Yankee forum --- while endorsing "hate" as long as it remains baseless --- and annoys them into closing the thread: http://forums.nyyfans.com/archive/index.php/t-97459.html Willets Point Nov 17 2008 11:25 AM ="Benjamin Grimm":10a3hs2z]This is becoming one of those threads, isn't it?[/quote:10a3hs2z] I guess I provoked this by asking where MLB is promoting David Wright as the "Face of Baseball". Three pages later, evidence of that contention is still lacking. SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 11:32 AM ="Willets Point":37j7vkjm]="Benjamin Grimm":37j7vkjm]This is becoming one of those threads, isn't it?[/quote:37j7vkjm] I guess I provoked this by asking where MLB is promoting David Wright as the "Face of Baseball". Three pages later, evidence of that contention is still lacking.[/quote:37j7vkjm] Who is on covers of MLB games? Who is the Met usually featured on TV ads and marketing tools of MLB? seawolf17 Nov 17 2008 11:34 AM ="SteveJRogers"]="Willets Point"]="Benjamin Grimm"]This is becoming one of those threads, isn't it? I guess I provoked this by asking where MLB is promoting David Wright as the "Face of Baseball". Three pages later, evidence of that contention is still lacking. Who is on covers of MLB games? Who is the Met usually featured on TV ads and marketing tools of MLB? Willets Point Nov 17 2008 11:38 AM ="SteveJRogers"]Who is on covers of MLB games? A Phillie. ="SteveJRogers"] Who is the Met usually featured on TV ads and marketing tools of MLB? That would make him the face of the Mets not MLB. Here in Boston, I'd wager most baseball fans wouldn't know who David Wright is whereas they'd be familiar with Albert Pujols or Ryan Howard or even other Mets like Delgado & Beltran. Wright is a great player but hasn't gained national attention by winning an MVP or some type of batting title or appearing in a lot of postseason games. I doubt people around the nation are gnashing their teeth about how much overexposure that Wright guy gets SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 12:03 PM Okay fine, I'll ammend the argument to suggest that he WILL be attaining the heights of the Rose/Ripken/Jeter level of hate because his image is everywhere. And don't for a second think it won't. Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 12:07 PM And then people will hate justifiably. Got it. The silly thing is, Steve, irish's position and yours seem to be similar. If you weren't so fast to choose his as a leaping off point to push your agenda against the rest of us, you'd see that. metirish Nov 17 2008 12:29 PM How is my position similar to Steve's?, Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 12:31 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 18 2008 07:27 PM Well, you seem to imply that there's an unfortuate amount of hatred flying around. Where Steve breaks from you with his his apparent belief that everybody's exercising it but him. metirish Nov 17 2008 12:33 PM Jeez thanks , lump me in with Rogers. Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 12:42 PM Not at all. It would be an unattractive lump. Centerfield Nov 17 2008 01:46 PM I called Mariano Rivera a murderer. You may direct all correspondence on that subject to me. Thanks. metsmarathon Nov 17 2008 06:25 PM wait... who hates cal ripken? i mean, fine, the holiday inn commercials are insufferable and all, but that aside, does anybody really hate him? Willets Point Nov 17 2008 06:27 PM ="metsmarathon"]wait... who hates cal ripken? i mean, fine, the holiday inn commercials are insufferable and all, but that aside, does anybody really hate him? Millions of people hate Cal Ripken. Rogers has lists of all their names! cooby Nov 17 2008 07:37 PM Hey. What does blovating mean? Fman99 Nov 17 2008 07:42 PM ="cooby":1yvq0p7i]Hey. What does blovating mean?[/quote:1yvq0p7i] I don't know. But there is a 100% chance I work it into my CPF song parody challenge play-in game. cooby Nov 17 2008 07:47 PM Fman, if you do, I promise to vote for you HahnSolo Nov 17 2008 08:04 PM ="Edgy DC":3dmxgmap]Steve tries to get support for his viewpoint at a Yankee forum --- while endorsing "hate" as long as it remains baseless --- and annoys them into closing the thread: http://forums.nyyfans.com/archive/index.php/t-97459.html[/quote:3dmxgmap] He's an equal opportunity annoyer. John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 17 2008 08:40 PM Jeezziz. Valadius Nov 17 2008 08:56 PM Steve, I don't like the fact that you bad-mouthed me on another board. Nymr83 Nov 17 2008 09:12 PM wow board-drama. and steve can't even keep it on the board. hey steve, if this place is so bad that you have to complain about it elsewhere, why are you still here? metsguyinmichigan Nov 17 2008 09:29 PM Damn, stuck in a school board meeting all day and I missed this. 1) I hate Derek Jeter. He's Mr. Yankee 2) I like David Wright. A lot. He's Mr. Met, at least the non-costumed one. 3) Mariano Rivera is a soul-less cyborg with a dangerous pool. 4) Steve needs to keeps his beefs about the 'Pool family within the 'Pool family. All caught up. metsmarathon Nov 18 2008 07:37 AM i so wish i had seen this thread earlier yesterday... i still haven't gotten an answer on what evidence there is showing cal ripken's hatedness. and i still don't know how david wright parallels derek jeter. i also would think that the whole point of this thread, initially, was to point out what i would call special hate, not just the generic 'waah i hate XXX 'cos they're our rival and they suck and blah blah blah, and i hate YYY cos he's their best player and he sucks too!' the instances stevie seems to be pulling out about fans of other teams whining over wrights accomplishments and cheering his misaccomplishments seems more like hating on, than hating. "david wright doesn't deserve to win the mvp because YYY was a muuch better player and he didnt come through when they needed him anyways" isn't hating, its hating on, or deliberately (and perhaps intellectually dishonestly) minimizing his accomplishments and value. and of course, using sound logic and reasoning in a fact-based argument against the gross overrating of a player, well, that's not hating. that's called analyzing derek jeter. and he does a terrifically poor job of relaying the conversations of this board to other boards. i mean, jeez! Benjamin Grimm Nov 18 2008 07:51 AM ="metsmarathon":3by8ybm2]and he does a terrifically poor job of relaying the conversations of this board to other boards. i mean, jeez![/quote:3by8ybm2] Is that at all surprising? It's amazing how tenaciously he's held on to this issue, even going to other boards to try to get validation for his point of view. It's appropriate that his link back to us contained the phrase "getalifealready" Centerfield Nov 18 2008 07:56 AM For the record, I have no problem with him talking badly about us on other boards. In fact, I wish he would post on those other boards more often. Like all the time. Steve, don't go away mad... themetfairy Nov 18 2008 08:47 AM There was also the great leap of logic (if you can call it that) that Steve made. He asked, "How can you not like Mario Rivera?" I answered that I found the electrified pool to be a reason not to like him. He then extrapolated that I was blinded by irrational hatred, and posted about my obsessiveness all over the Internet. Yeah, I was the obsessed one here.... G-Fafif Nov 18 2008 09:10 AM I have to confess I barely remember the Mariano Rivera pool story and don't remember, at all, the conversation here about it. That said, fuck Mariano Rivera and fuck the Yankees. I mean, geez... soupcan Nov 18 2008 09:19 AM I didn't get much of a chance to get here yesterday and read most of this thread on my BlackBerry on the train home. "It's gold Jerry, pure gold!" Seriously, I was cracking up all the way home. Edgy DC Nov 18 2008 10:03 AM I keep Metro North moving. Kong76 Nov 18 2008 07:21 PM SJR: I'm clarifing it for you by holding up a fucking mirror <=== EDC: Don't fucking mirror me. <===

="metirish"]] it is about getting your hands dirty and doing the work. If I'm paying him $15 million a year I don't want him doing the work , is he like laying blocks , that could be dangerous , he could break a finger , mixing cement? , he could hurt his shoulder.. I was being metaphorical, obviously he isn't the one doing that kind of heavy lifting. Probably more in line with minister duties, making sure goods and foods are delievered, organizing, etc.

="Benjamin Grimm"] And your affection for Mariano Rivera is pretty irrational too. Lets see: 1) The man is a man of God, and is essentially the Roberto Clemente of Panama. Very charitable and very much a pillar of that communtiy. Even if you disagree with his religious belief system, you have to at least admire that, and no it is not "SO HE PAINTS CHURCHES" it is about doing the work and not simply giving money to charity, it is about getting your hands dirty and doing the work. 2) Other than aforementioned incident in which I've found only people on this board feel that he is culpable for, there has been not a single sliver of controversy attached to him in any sort of either wrong doing, or him being labeled a jerk during brushes of greatness. In other words, he is one of the good guys of the game. Therefore, how is ANYONE's affection for him irrational?

You asked where the Met-Hate comes from, I'm clarifing it for you by holding up a fucking mirror.

="Frayed Knot":3giahnqy]IOW, once folks decide they dislike something it's easy to find specifics to justify it.[/quote:3giahnqy] Ditto with the Rivera hate on this board. We hate the Yankees, Rivera was involved with a tragic accident on his property, MY GOD, RIVERA IS A MURDERER! Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 10:05 AM Steve, make up quotes by somebody else. SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 10:06 AM You asked where the Met-Hate comes from, I'm clarifing it for you by holding up a fucking mirror. Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 10:09 AM Don't fucking mirror me. If I wrote anything like that, let me know. SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 10:11 AM ="Benjamin Grimm"] And your affection for Mariano Rivera is pretty irrational too. Lets see: 1) The man is a man of God, and is essentially the Roberto Clemente of Panama. Very charitable and very much a pillar of that communtiy. Even if you disagree with his religious belief system, you have to at least admire that, and no it is not "SO HE PAINTS CHURCHES" it is about doing the work and not simply giving money to charity, it is about getting your hands dirty and doing the work. 2) Other than aforementioned incident in which I've found only people on this board feel that he is culpable for, there has been not a single sliver of controversy attached to him in any sort of either wrong doing, or him being labeled a jerk during brushes of greatness. In other words, he is one of the good guys of the game. Therefore, how is ANYONE's affection for him irrational? metirish Nov 17 2008 10:22 AM ] it is about getting your hands dirty and doing the work. If I'm paying him $15 million a year I don't want him doing the work , is he like laying blocks , that could be dangerous , he could break a finger , mixing cement? , he could hurt his shoulder. Frayed Knot Nov 17 2008 10:24 AM ="SteveJRogers":368piq4i]="Frayed Knot":368piq4i]IOW, once folks decide they dislike something it's easy to find specifics to justify it.[/quote:368piq4i] Ditto with the Rivera hate on this board. We hate the Yankees, Rivera was involved with a tragic accident on his property, MY GOD, RIVERA IS A MURDERER![/quote:368piq4i] You're embarrassing yourself again. SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 10:25 AM ="metirish"]] it is about getting your hands dirty and doing the work. If I'm paying him $15 million a year I don't want him doing the work , is he like laying blocks , that could be dangerous , he could break a finger , mixing cement? , he could hurt his shoulder.. I was being metaphorical, obviously he isn't the one doing that kind of heavy lifting. Probably more in line with minister duties, making sure goods and foods are delievered, organizing, etc. Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 10:27 AM ="SteveJRogers":7s915vro]You asked where the Met-Hate comes from, I'm clarifing it for you by holding up a fucking mirror.[/quote:7s915vro] And it wasn't me that asked. SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 10:30 AM ="Edgy DC":3mhnvlei]="SteveJRogers":3mhnvlei]You asked where the Met-Hate comes from, I'm clarifing it for you by holding up a fucking mirror.[/quote:3mhnvlei] And it wasn't me that asked.[/quote:3mhnvlei] Fair enough. themetfairy Nov 17 2008 10:31 AM ="SteveJRogers"]="Benjamin Grimm"] And your affection for Mariano Rivera is pretty irrational too. You have no further proof than CF/SK and other's "theories" that are asine based on the fact that they DON'T know what happened, they DON'T know what security is like in Panama, and they don't believe in blamming the kid for not checking to see if the fencing was off when he jumped in to get the rod. Fine - YOU go for a swim in his pool then. metirish Nov 17 2008 10:32 AM It was I that asked , blame the Irish if you must. Actually I never expected this kind of response , seriously , no really I didn't. Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 10:35 AM Thanks, can you cop to making up quotes to generalize about the entire board when the only one using words like that was centerfield? Can you cop to spinning the incident using nebulous terms like "was involved with"? Will you admit to being wrong that nobody else anywhere has criticized him? Can you get that mirror out of my face? I don't like it. I think Manny Corpas may be more popular among Panamanians, but don't throw a mirror at me if I'm wrong. John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 17 2008 10:40 AM omg Fman99 Nov 17 2008 10:45 AM ="SteveJRogers"]="Benjamin Grimm"] And your affection for Mariano Rivera is pretty irrational too. Lets see: 1) The man is a man of God, and is essentially the Roberto Clemente of Panama. Very charitable and very much a pillar of that communtiy. Even if you disagree with his religious belief system, you have to at least admire that, and no it is not "SO HE PAINTS CHURCHES" it is about doing the work and not simply giving money to charity, it is about getting your hands dirty and doing the work. 2) Other than aforementioned incident in which I've found only people on this board feel that he is culpable for, there has been not a single sliver of controversy attached to him in any sort of either wrong doing, or him being labeled a jerk during brushes of greatness. In other words, he is one of the good guys of the game. Therefore, how is ANYONE's affection for him irrational? Wow, you sound like Dennis Hopper's character in "Apocalypse Now." Time to start cutting the pills in half Jeets. I can hate Rivera - he wears a Yankee uniform. Duh. It's not rocket science or wizardry. Go play with your Giambi dolls. Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 10:46 AM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":yuzgwi48]omg[/quote:yuzgwi48] Yeah, I know. Manny Corpas. What was I thinking? SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 10:48 AM ]Thanks, can you cop to making up quotes to generalize about the entire board when the only one using words like that was centerfield? Fine, but most of this board feels the same way as CF does. As evidence to the infamous thread between me and SK a few years back in the RLF. ]Can you cop to spinning the incident using nebulous terms like "was involved with"? No, because that is the extent of his involvement in the incident. There really isn't a smoking gun. ]Will you admit to being wrong that nobody else anywhere has criticized him? Other than blovating Yankee hating forum members? Seriously, try putting the theory on any rational board, even filled with Yankee haters, and you get looked like you wear a tin foil hat. Look, the point is that people have irrational hate for teams and players, that is the bottom line answer to Irish's original question. SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 10:49 AM ="Fman99":3b129hmh] I can hate Rivera - he wears a Yankee uniform.[/quote:3b129hmh] I wasn't referring to "sports hate," I'm talking about hating on the human being that goes beyond the uniform. Benjamin Grimm Nov 17 2008 10:51 AM This is becoming one of those threads, isn't it? Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 10:55 AM ="SteveJRogers":1lqkd4ig]Fine, but most of this board feels the same way as CF does. As evidence to the infamous thread between me and SK a few years back in the RLF.[/quote:1lqkd4ig] Nonsense. Is there something between saint and murderer? You don't know how "most of this board" feels. ="SteveJRogers":1lqkd4ig]No, because that is the extent of his involvement in the incident. There really isn't a smoking gun.[/quote:1lqkd4ig] He'd be in deeper water in the United States. Of that, I think even you are certain. ="SteveJRogers":1lqkd4ig]Other than blovating Yankee hating forum members?[/quote:1lqkd4ig] Please don't tempt me with any more name-calling. You're wrong. SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 10:59 AM ="Benjamin Grimm":2a4403r2]This is becoming one of those threads, isn't it?[/quote:2a4403r2] Me against all of you based on the fact that this group seems to be the only people who irrationally hate Mariano Rivera as a person, which I'm using as a point of people's irrational hate on sports teams and players? Yeah it does seem like it. Hell, I can't even find one person that agrees with CF's/SK's and other's theory on the former home of this forum, so what does that tell you? themetfairy Nov 17 2008 11:02 AM ="SteveJRogers":23qztokh] Hell, I can't even find one person that agrees with CF's/SK's and other's theory on the former home of this forum, so what does that tell you?[/quote:23qztokh] That nobody else around here is so obsessed that they want to go dig up ancient threads. The issue, btw, goes back to the person who was electrocuted in Rivera's pool a few years back. CF and I were pretty appalled by the incident. Steve, apparently, finds it excusable. Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 11:03 AM Steve Rogers talks shit about the Crane Pool on another forum: http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84643 SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 11:04 AM ="Edgy DC":1wmnx6qa]He'd be in deeper water in the United States. Of that, I think even you are certain. [/quote:1wmnx6qa] Security concerns are quite different here than Panama, of that I think even you are certain. Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 11:05 AM Good. What's your point, Crane Pool insulting guy? SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 11:07 AM That people have irrational hate for teams and players based on a natural disposition to hate said team and players. metirish Nov 17 2008 11:09 AM ="Edgy DC":3rnp96ob]Steve Rogers talks shit about the Crane Pool on another forum: http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84643[/quote:3rnp96ob] omg Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 11:10 AM Goodness, Steve. I challenged you to find one such statement from me. Stop with the sweeping generalizations. You're making 'em here. You're making 'em at sites that couldn't care less about us. seawolf17 Nov 17 2008 11:16 AM /throws some popcorn in the microwave /sits back and watches train wreck Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 11:17 AM Glad I could help your day along. Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 11:25 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 17 2008 11:26 AM Steve tries to get support for his viewpoint at a Yankee forum --- while endorsing "hate" as long as it remains baseless --- and annoys them into closing the thread: http://forums.nyyfans.com/archive/index.php/t-97459.html Willets Point Nov 17 2008 11:25 AM ="Benjamin Grimm":10a3hs2z]This is becoming one of those threads, isn't it?[/quote:10a3hs2z] I guess I provoked this by asking where MLB is promoting David Wright as the "Face of Baseball". Three pages later, evidence of that contention is still lacking. SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 11:32 AM ="Willets Point":37j7vkjm]="Benjamin Grimm":37j7vkjm]This is becoming one of those threads, isn't it?[/quote:37j7vkjm] I guess I provoked this by asking where MLB is promoting David Wright as the "Face of Baseball". Three pages later, evidence of that contention is still lacking.[/quote:37j7vkjm] Who is on covers of MLB games? Who is the Met usually featured on TV ads and marketing tools of MLB? seawolf17 Nov 17 2008 11:34 AM ="SteveJRogers"]="Willets Point"]="Benjamin Grimm"]This is becoming one of those threads, isn't it? I guess I provoked this by asking where MLB is promoting David Wright as the "Face of Baseball". Three pages later, evidence of that contention is still lacking. Who is on covers of MLB games? Who is the Met usually featured on TV ads and marketing tools of MLB? Willets Point Nov 17 2008 11:38 AM ="SteveJRogers"]Who is on covers of MLB games? A Phillie. ="SteveJRogers"] Who is the Met usually featured on TV ads and marketing tools of MLB? That would make him the face of the Mets not MLB. Here in Boston, I'd wager most baseball fans wouldn't know who David Wright is whereas they'd be familiar with Albert Pujols or Ryan Howard or even other Mets like Delgado & Beltran. Wright is a great player but hasn't gained national attention by winning an MVP or some type of batting title or appearing in a lot of postseason games. I doubt people around the nation are gnashing their teeth about how much overexposure that Wright guy gets SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 12:03 PM Okay fine, I'll ammend the argument to suggest that he WILL be attaining the heights of the Rose/Ripken/Jeter level of hate because his image is everywhere. And don't for a second think it won't. Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 12:07 PM And then people will hate justifiably. Got it. The silly thing is, Steve, irish's position and yours seem to be similar. If you weren't so fast to choose his as a leaping off point to push your agenda against the rest of us, you'd see that. metirish Nov 17 2008 12:29 PM How is my position similar to Steve's?, Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 12:31 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 18 2008 07:27 PM Well, you seem to imply that there's an unfortuate amount of hatred flying around. Where Steve breaks from you with his his apparent belief that everybody's exercising it but him. metirish Nov 17 2008 12:33 PM Jeez thanks , lump me in with Rogers. Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 12:42 PM Not at all. It would be an unattractive lump. Centerfield Nov 17 2008 01:46 PM I called Mariano Rivera a murderer. You may direct all correspondence on that subject to me. Thanks. metsmarathon Nov 17 2008 06:25 PM wait... who hates cal ripken? i mean, fine, the holiday inn commercials are insufferable and all, but that aside, does anybody really hate him? Willets Point Nov 17 2008 06:27 PM ="metsmarathon"]wait... who hates cal ripken? i mean, fine, the holiday inn commercials are insufferable and all, but that aside, does anybody really hate him? Millions of people hate Cal Ripken. Rogers has lists of all their names! cooby Nov 17 2008 07:37 PM Hey. What does blovating mean? Fman99 Nov 17 2008 07:42 PM ="cooby":1yvq0p7i]Hey. What does blovating mean?[/quote:1yvq0p7i] I don't know. But there is a 100% chance I work it into my CPF song parody challenge play-in game. cooby Nov 17 2008 07:47 PM Fman, if you do, I promise to vote for you HahnSolo Nov 17 2008 08:04 PM ="Edgy DC":3dmxgmap]Steve tries to get support for his viewpoint at a Yankee forum --- while endorsing "hate" as long as it remains baseless --- and annoys them into closing the thread: http://forums.nyyfans.com/archive/index.php/t-97459.html[/quote:3dmxgmap] He's an equal opportunity annoyer. John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 17 2008 08:40 PM Jeezziz. Valadius Nov 17 2008 08:56 PM Steve, I don't like the fact that you bad-mouthed me on another board. Nymr83 Nov 17 2008 09:12 PM wow board-drama. and steve can't even keep it on the board. hey steve, if this place is so bad that you have to complain about it elsewhere, why are you still here? metsguyinmichigan Nov 17 2008 09:29 PM Damn, stuck in a school board meeting all day and I missed this. 1) I hate Derek Jeter. He's Mr. Yankee 2) I like David Wright. A lot. He's Mr. Met, at least the non-costumed one. 3) Mariano Rivera is a soul-less cyborg with a dangerous pool. 4) Steve needs to keeps his beefs about the 'Pool family within the 'Pool family. All caught up. metsmarathon Nov 18 2008 07:37 AM i so wish i had seen this thread earlier yesterday... i still haven't gotten an answer on what evidence there is showing cal ripken's hatedness. and i still don't know how david wright parallels derek jeter. i also would think that the whole point of this thread, initially, was to point out what i would call special hate, not just the generic 'waah i hate XXX 'cos they're our rival and they suck and blah blah blah, and i hate YYY cos he's their best player and he sucks too!' the instances stevie seems to be pulling out about fans of other teams whining over wrights accomplishments and cheering his misaccomplishments seems more like hating on, than hating. "david wright doesn't deserve to win the mvp because YYY was a muuch better player and he didnt come through when they needed him anyways" isn't hating, its hating on, or deliberately (and perhaps intellectually dishonestly) minimizing his accomplishments and value. and of course, using sound logic and reasoning in a fact-based argument against the gross overrating of a player, well, that's not hating. that's called analyzing derek jeter. and he does a terrifically poor job of relaying the conversations of this board to other boards. i mean, jeez! Benjamin Grimm Nov 18 2008 07:51 AM ="metsmarathon":3by8ybm2]and he does a terrifically poor job of relaying the conversations of this board to other boards. i mean, jeez![/quote:3by8ybm2] Is that at all surprising? It's amazing how tenaciously he's held on to this issue, even going to other boards to try to get validation for his point of view. It's appropriate that his link back to us contained the phrase "getalifealready" Centerfield Nov 18 2008 07:56 AM For the record, I have no problem with him talking badly about us on other boards. In fact, I wish he would post on those other boards more often. Like all the time. Steve, don't go away mad... themetfairy Nov 18 2008 08:47 AM There was also the great leap of logic (if you can call it that) that Steve made. He asked, "How can you not like Mario Rivera?" I answered that I found the electrified pool to be a reason not to like him. He then extrapolated that I was blinded by irrational hatred, and posted about my obsessiveness all over the Internet. Yeah, I was the obsessed one here.... G-Fafif Nov 18 2008 09:10 AM I have to confess I barely remember the Mariano Rivera pool story and don't remember, at all, the conversation here about it. That said, fuck Mariano Rivera and fuck the Yankees. I mean, geez... soupcan Nov 18 2008 09:19 AM I didn't get much of a chance to get here yesterday and read most of this thread on my BlackBerry on the train home. "It's gold Jerry, pure gold!" Seriously, I was cracking up all the way home. Edgy DC Nov 18 2008 10:03 AM I keep Metro North moving. Kong76 Nov 18 2008 07:21 PM SJR: I'm clarifing it for you by holding up a fucking mirror <=== EDC: Don't fucking mirror me. <===

="Benjamin Grimm"] And your affection for Mariano Rivera is pretty irrational too. You have no further proof than CF/SK and other's "theories" that are asine based on the fact that they DON'T know what happened, they DON'T know what security is like in Panama, and they don't believe in blamming the kid for not checking to see if the fencing was off when he jumped in to get the rod.

="Edgy DC":2h2w9ihq]I'd rather you go, and tell me about it. Take a lot of pictures.[/quote:2h2w9ihq] What is it with you wanting me to offer proof? The fact that everyone here thinks Mariano Rivera is a murderous scum and that a Rose/Jeter/Ripken type of "bigger than the game" mega pop-culture star is a POS person whom we should root AGAINST David Wright becoming is enough to know that idiots exist in all fandom with equal amounts of irrational hatred. To say nothing about Val rooting for a Yankee to not win an award or obtain a record, no matter how meaningless said award or record is. Frayed Knot Nov 17 2008 10:01 AM Met hate is mostly leftover stuff from the mid-80s or it's about being anti-NYC. And, either way, the specific reasons given for up-to-date hate; Reyes dancing, Wright's image, etc. are generally nothing more than rationalizations after the fact rather than actual reasons. IOW, once folks decide they dislike something it's easy to find specifics to justify it. SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 10:03 AM ="Benjamin Grimm"] And your affection for Mariano Rivera is pretty irrational too. You have no further proof than CF/SK and other's "theories" that are asine based on the fact that they DON'T know what happened, they DON'T know what security is like in Panama, and they don't believe in blamming the kid for not checking to see if the fencing was off when he jumped in to get the rod. Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 10:03 AM Fucking Phillies, with their, um, big cars, and the, er, full pouty lips on their wives. I fucking hate those guys. SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 10:04 AM ="Frayed Knot":3giahnqy]IOW, once folks decide they dislike something it's easy to find specifics to justify it.[/quote:3giahnqy] Ditto with the Rivera hate on this board. We hate the Yankees, Rivera was involved with a tragic accident on his property, MY GOD, RIVERA IS A MURDERER! Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 10:05 AM Steve, make up quotes by somebody else. SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 10:06 AM You asked where the Met-Hate comes from, I'm clarifing it for you by holding up a fucking mirror. Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 10:09 AM Don't fucking mirror me. If I wrote anything like that, let me know. SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 10:11 AM ="Benjamin Grimm"] And your affection for Mariano Rivera is pretty irrational too. Lets see: 1) The man is a man of God, and is essentially the Roberto Clemente of Panama. Very charitable and very much a pillar of that communtiy. Even if you disagree with his religious belief system, you have to at least admire that, and no it is not "SO HE PAINTS CHURCHES" it is about doing the work and not simply giving money to charity, it is about getting your hands dirty and doing the work. 2) Other than aforementioned incident in which I've found only people on this board feel that he is culpable for, there has been not a single sliver of controversy attached to him in any sort of either wrong doing, or him being labeled a jerk during brushes of greatness. In other words, he is one of the good guys of the game. Therefore, how is ANYONE's affection for him irrational? metirish Nov 17 2008 10:22 AM ] it is about getting your hands dirty and doing the work. If I'm paying him $15 million a year I don't want him doing the work , is he like laying blocks , that could be dangerous , he could break a finger , mixing cement? , he could hurt his shoulder. Frayed Knot Nov 17 2008 10:24 AM ="SteveJRogers":368piq4i]="Frayed Knot":368piq4i]IOW, once folks decide they dislike something it's easy to find specifics to justify it.[/quote:368piq4i] Ditto with the Rivera hate on this board. We hate the Yankees, Rivera was involved with a tragic accident on his property, MY GOD, RIVERA IS A MURDERER![/quote:368piq4i] You're embarrassing yourself again. SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 10:25 AM ="metirish"]] it is about getting your hands dirty and doing the work. If I'm paying him $15 million a year I don't want him doing the work , is he like laying blocks , that could be dangerous , he could break a finger , mixing cement? , he could hurt his shoulder.. I was being metaphorical, obviously he isn't the one doing that kind of heavy lifting. Probably more in line with minister duties, making sure goods and foods are delievered, organizing, etc. Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 10:27 AM ="SteveJRogers":7s915vro]You asked where the Met-Hate comes from, I'm clarifing it for you by holding up a fucking mirror.[/quote:7s915vro] And it wasn't me that asked. SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 10:30 AM ="Edgy DC":3mhnvlei]="SteveJRogers":3mhnvlei]You asked where the Met-Hate comes from, I'm clarifing it for you by holding up a fucking mirror.[/quote:3mhnvlei] And it wasn't me that asked.[/quote:3mhnvlei] Fair enough. themetfairy Nov 17 2008 10:31 AM ="SteveJRogers"]="Benjamin Grimm"] And your affection for Mariano Rivera is pretty irrational too. You have no further proof than CF/SK and other's "theories" that are asine based on the fact that they DON'T know what happened, they DON'T know what security is like in Panama, and they don't believe in blamming the kid for not checking to see if the fencing was off when he jumped in to get the rod. Fine - YOU go for a swim in his pool then. metirish Nov 17 2008 10:32 AM It was I that asked , blame the Irish if you must. Actually I never expected this kind of response , seriously , no really I didn't. Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 10:35 AM Thanks, can you cop to making up quotes to generalize about the entire board when the only one using words like that was centerfield? Can you cop to spinning the incident using nebulous terms like "was involved with"? Will you admit to being wrong that nobody else anywhere has criticized him? Can you get that mirror out of my face? I don't like it. I think Manny Corpas may be more popular among Panamanians, but don't throw a mirror at me if I'm wrong. John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 17 2008 10:40 AM omg Fman99 Nov 17 2008 10:45 AM ="SteveJRogers"]="Benjamin Grimm"] And your affection for Mariano Rivera is pretty irrational too. Lets see: 1) The man is a man of God, and is essentially the Roberto Clemente of Panama. Very charitable and very much a pillar of that communtiy. Even if you disagree with his religious belief system, you have to at least admire that, and no it is not "SO HE PAINTS CHURCHES" it is about doing the work and not simply giving money to charity, it is about getting your hands dirty and doing the work. 2) Other than aforementioned incident in which I've found only people on this board feel that he is culpable for, there has been not a single sliver of controversy attached to him in any sort of either wrong doing, or him being labeled a jerk during brushes of greatness. In other words, he is one of the good guys of the game. Therefore, how is ANYONE's affection for him irrational? Wow, you sound like Dennis Hopper's character in "Apocalypse Now." Time to start cutting the pills in half Jeets. I can hate Rivera - he wears a Yankee uniform. Duh. It's not rocket science or wizardry. Go play with your Giambi dolls. Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 10:46 AM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":yuzgwi48]omg[/quote:yuzgwi48] Yeah, I know. Manny Corpas. What was I thinking? SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 10:48 AM ]Thanks, can you cop to making up quotes to generalize about the entire board when the only one using words like that was centerfield? Fine, but most of this board feels the same way as CF does. As evidence to the infamous thread between me and SK a few years back in the RLF. ]Can you cop to spinning the incident using nebulous terms like "was involved with"? No, because that is the extent of his involvement in the incident. There really isn't a smoking gun. ]Will you admit to being wrong that nobody else anywhere has criticized him? Other than blovating Yankee hating forum members? Seriously, try putting the theory on any rational board, even filled with Yankee haters, and you get looked like you wear a tin foil hat. Look, the point is that people have irrational hate for teams and players, that is the bottom line answer to Irish's original question. SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 10:49 AM ="Fman99":3b129hmh] I can hate Rivera - he wears a Yankee uniform.[/quote:3b129hmh] I wasn't referring to "sports hate," I'm talking about hating on the human being that goes beyond the uniform. Benjamin Grimm Nov 17 2008 10:51 AM This is becoming one of those threads, isn't it? Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 10:55 AM ="SteveJRogers":1lqkd4ig]Fine, but most of this board feels the same way as CF does. As evidence to the infamous thread between me and SK a few years back in the RLF.[/quote:1lqkd4ig] Nonsense. Is there something between saint and murderer? You don't know how "most of this board" feels. ="SteveJRogers":1lqkd4ig]No, because that is the extent of his involvement in the incident. There really isn't a smoking gun.[/quote:1lqkd4ig] He'd be in deeper water in the United States. Of that, I think even you are certain. ="SteveJRogers":1lqkd4ig]Other than blovating Yankee hating forum members?[/quote:1lqkd4ig] Please don't tempt me with any more name-calling. You're wrong. SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 10:59 AM ="Benjamin Grimm":2a4403r2]This is becoming one of those threads, isn't it?[/quote:2a4403r2] Me against all of you based on the fact that this group seems to be the only people who irrationally hate Mariano Rivera as a person, which I'm using as a point of people's irrational hate on sports teams and players? Yeah it does seem like it. Hell, I can't even find one person that agrees with CF's/SK's and other's theory on the former home of this forum, so what does that tell you? themetfairy Nov 17 2008 11:02 AM ="SteveJRogers":23qztokh] Hell, I can't even find one person that agrees with CF's/SK's and other's theory on the former home of this forum, so what does that tell you?[/quote:23qztokh] That nobody else around here is so obsessed that they want to go dig up ancient threads. The issue, btw, goes back to the person who was electrocuted in Rivera's pool a few years back. CF and I were pretty appalled by the incident. Steve, apparently, finds it excusable. Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 11:03 AM Steve Rogers talks shit about the Crane Pool on another forum: http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84643 SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 11:04 AM ="Edgy DC":1wmnx6qa]He'd be in deeper water in the United States. Of that, I think even you are certain. [/quote:1wmnx6qa] Security concerns are quite different here than Panama, of that I think even you are certain. Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 11:05 AM Good. What's your point, Crane Pool insulting guy? SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 11:07 AM That people have irrational hate for teams and players based on a natural disposition to hate said team and players. metirish Nov 17 2008 11:09 AM ="Edgy DC":3rnp96ob]Steve Rogers talks shit about the Crane Pool on another forum: http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84643[/quote:3rnp96ob] omg Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 11:10 AM Goodness, Steve. I challenged you to find one such statement from me. Stop with the sweeping generalizations. You're making 'em here. You're making 'em at sites that couldn't care less about us. seawolf17 Nov 17 2008 11:16 AM /throws some popcorn in the microwave /sits back and watches train wreck Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 11:17 AM Glad I could help your day along. Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 11:25 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 17 2008 11:26 AM Steve tries to get support for his viewpoint at a Yankee forum --- while endorsing "hate" as long as it remains baseless --- and annoys them into closing the thread: http://forums.nyyfans.com/archive/index.php/t-97459.html Willets Point Nov 17 2008 11:25 AM ="Benjamin Grimm":10a3hs2z]This is becoming one of those threads, isn't it?[/quote:10a3hs2z] I guess I provoked this by asking where MLB is promoting David Wright as the "Face of Baseball". Three pages later, evidence of that contention is still lacking. SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 11:32 AM ="Willets Point":37j7vkjm]="Benjamin Grimm":37j7vkjm]This is becoming one of those threads, isn't it?[/quote:37j7vkjm] I guess I provoked this by asking where MLB is promoting David Wright as the "Face of Baseball". Three pages later, evidence of that contention is still lacking.[/quote:37j7vkjm] Who is on covers of MLB games? Who is the Met usually featured on TV ads and marketing tools of MLB? seawolf17 Nov 17 2008 11:34 AM ="SteveJRogers"]="Willets Point"]="Benjamin Grimm"]This is becoming one of those threads, isn't it? I guess I provoked this by asking where MLB is promoting David Wright as the "Face of Baseball". Three pages later, evidence of that contention is still lacking. Who is on covers of MLB games? Who is the Met usually featured on TV ads and marketing tools of MLB? Willets Point Nov 17 2008 11:38 AM ="SteveJRogers"]Who is on covers of MLB games? A Phillie. ="SteveJRogers"] Who is the Met usually featured on TV ads and marketing tools of MLB? That would make him the face of the Mets not MLB. Here in Boston, I'd wager most baseball fans wouldn't know who David Wright is whereas they'd be familiar with Albert Pujols or Ryan Howard or even other Mets like Delgado & Beltran. Wright is a great player but hasn't gained national attention by winning an MVP or some type of batting title or appearing in a lot of postseason games. I doubt people around the nation are gnashing their teeth about how much overexposure that Wright guy gets SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 12:03 PM Okay fine, I'll ammend the argument to suggest that he WILL be attaining the heights of the Rose/Ripken/Jeter level of hate because his image is everywhere. And don't for a second think it won't. Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 12:07 PM And then people will hate justifiably. Got it. The silly thing is, Steve, irish's position and yours seem to be similar. If you weren't so fast to choose his as a leaping off point to push your agenda against the rest of us, you'd see that. metirish Nov 17 2008 12:29 PM How is my position similar to Steve's?, Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 12:31 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 18 2008 07:27 PM Well, you seem to imply that there's an unfortuate amount of hatred flying around. Where Steve breaks from you with his his apparent belief that everybody's exercising it but him. metirish Nov 17 2008 12:33 PM Jeez thanks , lump me in with Rogers. Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 12:42 PM Not at all. It would be an unattractive lump. Centerfield Nov 17 2008 01:46 PM I called Mariano Rivera a murderer. You may direct all correspondence on that subject to me. Thanks. metsmarathon Nov 17 2008 06:25 PM wait... who hates cal ripken? i mean, fine, the holiday inn commercials are insufferable and all, but that aside, does anybody really hate him? Willets Point Nov 17 2008 06:27 PM ="metsmarathon"]wait... who hates cal ripken? i mean, fine, the holiday inn commercials are insufferable and all, but that aside, does anybody really hate him? Millions of people hate Cal Ripken. Rogers has lists of all their names! cooby Nov 17 2008 07:37 PM Hey. What does blovating mean? Fman99 Nov 17 2008 07:42 PM ="cooby":1yvq0p7i]Hey. What does blovating mean?[/quote:1yvq0p7i] I don't know. But there is a 100% chance I work it into my CPF song parody challenge play-in game. cooby Nov 17 2008 07:47 PM Fman, if you do, I promise to vote for you HahnSolo Nov 17 2008 08:04 PM ="Edgy DC":3dmxgmap]Steve tries to get support for his viewpoint at a Yankee forum --- while endorsing "hate" as long as it remains baseless --- and annoys them into closing the thread: http://forums.nyyfans.com/archive/index.php/t-97459.html[/quote:3dmxgmap] He's an equal opportunity annoyer. John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 17 2008 08:40 PM Jeezziz. Valadius Nov 17 2008 08:56 PM Steve, I don't like the fact that you bad-mouthed me on another board. Nymr83 Nov 17 2008 09:12 PM wow board-drama. and steve can't even keep it on the board. hey steve, if this place is so bad that you have to complain about it elsewhere, why are you still here? metsguyinmichigan Nov 17 2008 09:29 PM Damn, stuck in a school board meeting all day and I missed this. 1) I hate Derek Jeter. He's Mr. Yankee 2) I like David Wright. A lot. He's Mr. Met, at least the non-costumed one. 3) Mariano Rivera is a soul-less cyborg with a dangerous pool. 4) Steve needs to keeps his beefs about the 'Pool family within the 'Pool family. All caught up. metsmarathon Nov 18 2008 07:37 AM i so wish i had seen this thread earlier yesterday... i still haven't gotten an answer on what evidence there is showing cal ripken's hatedness. and i still don't know how david wright parallels derek jeter. i also would think that the whole point of this thread, initially, was to point out what i would call special hate, not just the generic 'waah i hate XXX 'cos they're our rival and they suck and blah blah blah, and i hate YYY cos he's their best player and he sucks too!' the instances stevie seems to be pulling out about fans of other teams whining over wrights accomplishments and cheering his misaccomplishments seems more like hating on, than hating. "david wright doesn't deserve to win the mvp because YYY was a muuch better player and he didnt come through when they needed him anyways" isn't hating, its hating on, or deliberately (and perhaps intellectually dishonestly) minimizing his accomplishments and value. and of course, using sound logic and reasoning in a fact-based argument against the gross overrating of a player, well, that's not hating. that's called analyzing derek jeter. and he does a terrifically poor job of relaying the conversations of this board to other boards. i mean, jeez! Benjamin Grimm Nov 18 2008 07:51 AM ="metsmarathon":3by8ybm2]and he does a terrifically poor job of relaying the conversations of this board to other boards. i mean, jeez![/quote:3by8ybm2] Is that at all surprising? It's amazing how tenaciously he's held on to this issue, even going to other boards to try to get validation for his point of view. It's appropriate that his link back to us contained the phrase "getalifealready" Centerfield Nov 18 2008 07:56 AM For the record, I have no problem with him talking badly about us on other boards. In fact, I wish he would post on those other boards more often. Like all the time. Steve, don't go away mad... themetfairy Nov 18 2008 08:47 AM There was also the great leap of logic (if you can call it that) that Steve made. He asked, "How can you not like Mario Rivera?" I answered that I found the electrified pool to be a reason not to like him. He then extrapolated that I was blinded by irrational hatred, and posted about my obsessiveness all over the Internet. Yeah, I was the obsessed one here.... G-Fafif Nov 18 2008 09:10 AM I have to confess I barely remember the Mariano Rivera pool story and don't remember, at all, the conversation here about it. That said, fuck Mariano Rivera and fuck the Yankees. I mean, geez... soupcan Nov 18 2008 09:19 AM I didn't get much of a chance to get here yesterday and read most of this thread on my BlackBerry on the train home. "It's gold Jerry, pure gold!" Seriously, I was cracking up all the way home. Edgy DC Nov 18 2008 10:03 AM I keep Metro North moving. Kong76 Nov 18 2008 07:21 PM SJR: I'm clarifing it for you by holding up a fucking mirror <=== EDC: Don't fucking mirror me. <===

="Benjamin Grimm"]Don't encourage him to report to us what idiots are saying all over the Internet. Because you know he will. And by the same token Yankee fans consider US idiots because of our irrational hate for Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, etc. Ditto Phillies fans considering US idiots because of our irrational (beyond the performance on the field) hate for Rollins, Howard, Utley, etc.

Go to PhilaPhans.com or any Phillies (or Braves, Dodgers, Yankees, Red Sox, Marlins, etc) site and you'll see posts showing anger over Wright's Gold Glove and Silver Slugger awards and joy when Wright (or any Met) doesn't pick up the NL MVP later this week.

="Willets Point":22x1as5j]="SteveJRogers":22x1as5j]Also Wright is getting tons of Jeter-Hate based on his good looks, squeaky clean image and the fact that he is plastered every where as a "face of MLB."[/quote:22x1as5j] He is? Is this something from Rogers World or are you for real.[/quote:22x1as5j] Wouldn't you hate Wright if he WASN'T a Met the way you hate Derek Jeter? Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 09:26 AM I don't hate Derek Jeter. I don't like peeps over-rating his intangiblity, but even that's not an issue with tangible David Wright. SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 09:27 AM Go to PhilaPhans.com or any Phillies (or Braves, Dodgers, Yankees, Red Sox, Marlins, etc) site and you'll see posts showing anger over Wright's Gold Glove and Silver Slugger awards and joy when Wright (or any Met) doesn't pick up the NL MVP later this week. Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 09:33 AM I'd rather you go, and tell me about it. Take a lot of pictures. Benjamin Grimm Nov 17 2008 09:51 AM Don't encourage him to report to us what idiots are saying all over the Internet. Because you know he will. SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 09:55 AM ="Benjamin Grimm"]Don't encourage him to report to us what idiots are saying all over the Internet. Because you know he will. And by the same token Yankee fans consider US idiots because of our irrational hate for Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, etc. Ditto Phillies fans considering US idiots because of our irrational (beyond the performance on the field) hate for Rollins, Howard, Utley, etc. Benjamin Grimm Nov 17 2008 09:58 AM Rollins is a big-mouth. Does anyone hate Howard or Utley? I haven't sensed that. And your affection for Mariano Rivera is pretty irrational too. SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 10:01 AM ="Edgy DC":2h2w9ihq]I'd rather you go, and tell me about it. Take a lot of pictures.[/quote:2h2w9ihq] What is it with you wanting me to offer proof? The fact that everyone here thinks Mariano Rivera is a murderous scum and that a Rose/Jeter/Ripken type of "bigger than the game" mega pop-culture star is a POS person whom we should root AGAINST David Wright becoming is enough to know that idiots exist in all fandom with equal amounts of irrational hatred. To say nothing about Val rooting for a Yankee to not win an award or obtain a record, no matter how meaningless said award or record is. Frayed Knot Nov 17 2008 10:01 AM Met hate is mostly leftover stuff from the mid-80s or it's about being anti-NYC. And, either way, the specific reasons given for up-to-date hate; Reyes dancing, Wright's image, etc. are generally nothing more than rationalizations after the fact rather than actual reasons. IOW, once folks decide they dislike something it's easy to find specifics to justify it. SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 10:03 AM ="Benjamin Grimm"] And your affection for Mariano Rivera is pretty irrational too. You have no further proof than CF/SK and other's "theories" that are asine based on the fact that they DON'T know what happened, they DON'T know what security is like in Panama, and they don't believe in blamming the kid for not checking to see if the fencing was off when he jumped in to get the rod. Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 10:03 AM Fucking Phillies, with their, um, big cars, and the, er, full pouty lips on their wives. I fucking hate those guys. SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 10:04 AM ="Frayed Knot":3giahnqy]IOW, once folks decide they dislike something it's easy to find specifics to justify it.[/quote:3giahnqy] Ditto with the Rivera hate on this board. We hate the Yankees, Rivera was involved with a tragic accident on his property, MY GOD, RIVERA IS A MURDERER! Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 10:05 AM Steve, make up quotes by somebody else. SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 10:06 AM You asked where the Met-Hate comes from, I'm clarifing it for you by holding up a fucking mirror. Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 10:09 AM Don't fucking mirror me. If I wrote anything like that, let me know. SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 10:11 AM ="Benjamin Grimm"] And your affection for Mariano Rivera is pretty irrational too. Lets see: 1) The man is a man of God, and is essentially the Roberto Clemente of Panama. Very charitable and very much a pillar of that communtiy. Even if you disagree with his religious belief system, you have to at least admire that, and no it is not "SO HE PAINTS CHURCHES" it is about doing the work and not simply giving money to charity, it is about getting your hands dirty and doing the work. 2) Other than aforementioned incident in which I've found only people on this board feel that he is culpable for, there has been not a single sliver of controversy attached to him in any sort of either wrong doing, or him being labeled a jerk during brushes of greatness. In other words, he is one of the good guys of the game. Therefore, how is ANYONE's affection for him irrational? metirish Nov 17 2008 10:22 AM ] it is about getting your hands dirty and doing the work. If I'm paying him $15 million a year I don't want him doing the work , is he like laying blocks , that could be dangerous , he could break a finger , mixing cement? , he could hurt his shoulder. Frayed Knot Nov 17 2008 10:24 AM ="SteveJRogers":368piq4i]="Frayed Knot":368piq4i]IOW, once folks decide they dislike something it's easy to find specifics to justify it.[/quote:368piq4i] Ditto with the Rivera hate on this board. We hate the Yankees, Rivera was involved with a tragic accident on his property, MY GOD, RIVERA IS A MURDERER![/quote:368piq4i] You're embarrassing yourself again. SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 10:25 AM ="metirish"]] it is about getting your hands dirty and doing the work. If I'm paying him $15 million a year I don't want him doing the work , is he like laying blocks , that could be dangerous , he could break a finger , mixing cement? , he could hurt his shoulder.. I was being metaphorical, obviously he isn't the one doing that kind of heavy lifting. Probably more in line with minister duties, making sure goods and foods are delievered, organizing, etc. Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 10:27 AM ="SteveJRogers":7s915vro]You asked where the Met-Hate comes from, I'm clarifing it for you by holding up a fucking mirror.[/quote:7s915vro] And it wasn't me that asked. SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 10:30 AM ="Edgy DC":3mhnvlei]="SteveJRogers":3mhnvlei]You asked where the Met-Hate comes from, I'm clarifing it for you by holding up a fucking mirror.[/quote:3mhnvlei] And it wasn't me that asked.[/quote:3mhnvlei] Fair enough. themetfairy Nov 17 2008 10:31 AM ="SteveJRogers"]="Benjamin Grimm"] And your affection for Mariano Rivera is pretty irrational too. You have no further proof than CF/SK and other's "theories" that are asine based on the fact that they DON'T know what happened, they DON'T know what security is like in Panama, and they don't believe in blamming the kid for not checking to see if the fencing was off when he jumped in to get the rod. Fine - YOU go for a swim in his pool then. metirish Nov 17 2008 10:32 AM It was I that asked , blame the Irish if you must. Actually I never expected this kind of response , seriously , no really I didn't. Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 10:35 AM Thanks, can you cop to making up quotes to generalize about the entire board when the only one using words like that was centerfield? Can you cop to spinning the incident using nebulous terms like "was involved with"? Will you admit to being wrong that nobody else anywhere has criticized him? Can you get that mirror out of my face? I don't like it. I think Manny Corpas may be more popular among Panamanians, but don't throw a mirror at me if I'm wrong. John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 17 2008 10:40 AM omg Fman99 Nov 17 2008 10:45 AM ="SteveJRogers"]="Benjamin Grimm"] And your affection for Mariano Rivera is pretty irrational too. Lets see: 1) The man is a man of God, and is essentially the Roberto Clemente of Panama. Very charitable and very much a pillar of that communtiy. Even if you disagree with his religious belief system, you have to at least admire that, and no it is not "SO HE PAINTS CHURCHES" it is about doing the work and not simply giving money to charity, it is about getting your hands dirty and doing the work. 2) Other than aforementioned incident in which I've found only people on this board feel that he is culpable for, there has been not a single sliver of controversy attached to him in any sort of either wrong doing, or him being labeled a jerk during brushes of greatness. In other words, he is one of the good guys of the game. Therefore, how is ANYONE's affection for him irrational? Wow, you sound like Dennis Hopper's character in "Apocalypse Now." Time to start cutting the pills in half Jeets. I can hate Rivera - he wears a Yankee uniform. Duh. It's not rocket science or wizardry. Go play with your Giambi dolls. Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 10:46 AM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":yuzgwi48]omg[/quote:yuzgwi48] Yeah, I know. Manny Corpas. What was I thinking? SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 10:48 AM ]Thanks, can you cop to making up quotes to generalize about the entire board when the only one using words like that was centerfield? Fine, but most of this board feels the same way as CF does. As evidence to the infamous thread between me and SK a few years back in the RLF. ]Can you cop to spinning the incident using nebulous terms like "was involved with"? No, because that is the extent of his involvement in the incident. There really isn't a smoking gun. ]Will you admit to being wrong that nobody else anywhere has criticized him? Other than blovating Yankee hating forum members? Seriously, try putting the theory on any rational board, even filled with Yankee haters, and you get looked like you wear a tin foil hat. Look, the point is that people have irrational hate for teams and players, that is the bottom line answer to Irish's original question. SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 10:49 AM ="Fman99":3b129hmh] I can hate Rivera - he wears a Yankee uniform.[/quote:3b129hmh] I wasn't referring to "sports hate," I'm talking about hating on the human being that goes beyond the uniform. Benjamin Grimm Nov 17 2008 10:51 AM This is becoming one of those threads, isn't it? Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 10:55 AM ="SteveJRogers":1lqkd4ig]Fine, but most of this board feels the same way as CF does. As evidence to the infamous thread between me and SK a few years back in the RLF.[/quote:1lqkd4ig] Nonsense. Is there something between saint and murderer? You don't know how "most of this board" feels. ="SteveJRogers":1lqkd4ig]No, because that is the extent of his involvement in the incident. There really isn't a smoking gun.[/quote:1lqkd4ig] He'd be in deeper water in the United States. Of that, I think even you are certain. ="SteveJRogers":1lqkd4ig]Other than blovating Yankee hating forum members?[/quote:1lqkd4ig] Please don't tempt me with any more name-calling. You're wrong. SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 10:59 AM ="Benjamin Grimm":2a4403r2]This is becoming one of those threads, isn't it?[/quote:2a4403r2] Me against all of you based on the fact that this group seems to be the only people who irrationally hate Mariano Rivera as a person, which I'm using as a point of people's irrational hate on sports teams and players? Yeah it does seem like it. Hell, I can't even find one person that agrees with CF's/SK's and other's theory on the former home of this forum, so what does that tell you? themetfairy Nov 17 2008 11:02 AM ="SteveJRogers":23qztokh] Hell, I can't even find one person that agrees with CF's/SK's and other's theory on the former home of this forum, so what does that tell you?[/quote:23qztokh] That nobody else around here is so obsessed that they want to go dig up ancient threads. The issue, btw, goes back to the person who was electrocuted in Rivera's pool a few years back. CF and I were pretty appalled by the incident. Steve, apparently, finds it excusable. Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 11:03 AM Steve Rogers talks shit about the Crane Pool on another forum: http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84643 SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 11:04 AM ="Edgy DC":1wmnx6qa]He'd be in deeper water in the United States. Of that, I think even you are certain. [/quote:1wmnx6qa] Security concerns are quite different here than Panama, of that I think even you are certain. Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 11:05 AM Good. What's your point, Crane Pool insulting guy? SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 11:07 AM That people have irrational hate for teams and players based on a natural disposition to hate said team and players. metirish Nov 17 2008 11:09 AM ="Edgy DC":3rnp96ob]Steve Rogers talks shit about the Crane Pool on another forum: http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=84643[/quote:3rnp96ob] omg Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 11:10 AM Goodness, Steve. I challenged you to find one such statement from me. Stop with the sweeping generalizations. You're making 'em here. You're making 'em at sites that couldn't care less about us. seawolf17 Nov 17 2008 11:16 AM /throws some popcorn in the microwave /sits back and watches train wreck Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 11:17 AM Glad I could help your day along. Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 11:25 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 17 2008 11:26 AM Steve tries to get support for his viewpoint at a Yankee forum --- while endorsing "hate" as long as it remains baseless --- and annoys them into closing the thread: http://forums.nyyfans.com/archive/index.php/t-97459.html Willets Point Nov 17 2008 11:25 AM ="Benjamin Grimm":10a3hs2z]This is becoming one of those threads, isn't it?[/quote:10a3hs2z] I guess I provoked this by asking where MLB is promoting David Wright as the "Face of Baseball". Three pages later, evidence of that contention is still lacking. SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 11:32 AM ="Willets Point":37j7vkjm]="Benjamin Grimm":37j7vkjm]This is becoming one of those threads, isn't it?[/quote:37j7vkjm] I guess I provoked this by asking where MLB is promoting David Wright as the "Face of Baseball". Three pages later, evidence of that contention is still lacking.[/quote:37j7vkjm] Who is on covers of MLB games? Who is the Met usually featured on TV ads and marketing tools of MLB? seawolf17 Nov 17 2008 11:34 AM ="SteveJRogers"]="Willets Point"]="Benjamin Grimm"]This is becoming one of those threads, isn't it? I guess I provoked this by asking where MLB is promoting David Wright as the "Face of Baseball". Three pages later, evidence of that contention is still lacking. Who is on covers of MLB games? Who is the Met usually featured on TV ads and marketing tools of MLB? Willets Point Nov 17 2008 11:38 AM ="SteveJRogers"]Who is on covers of MLB games? A Phillie. ="SteveJRogers"] Who is the Met usually featured on TV ads and marketing tools of MLB? That would make him the face of the Mets not MLB. Here in Boston, I'd wager most baseball fans wouldn't know who David Wright is whereas they'd be familiar with Albert Pujols or Ryan Howard or even other Mets like Delgado & Beltran. Wright is a great player but hasn't gained national attention by winning an MVP or some type of batting title or appearing in a lot of postseason games. I doubt people around the nation are gnashing their teeth about how much overexposure that Wright guy gets SteveJRogers Nov 17 2008 12:03 PM Okay fine, I'll ammend the argument to suggest that he WILL be attaining the heights of the Rose/Ripken/Jeter level of hate because his image is everywhere. And don't for a second think it won't. Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 12:07 PM And then people will hate justifiably. Got it. The silly thing is, Steve, irish's position and yours seem to be similar. If you weren't so fast to choose his as a leaping off point to push your agenda against the rest of us, you'd see that. metirish Nov 17 2008 12:29 PM How is my position similar to Steve's?, Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 12:31 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Nov 18 2008 07:27 PM Well, you seem to imply that there's an unfortuate amount of hatred flying around. Where Steve breaks from you with his his apparent belief that everybody's exercising it but him. metirish Nov 17 2008 12:33 PM Jeez thanks , lump me in with Rogers. Edgy DC Nov 17 2008 12:42 PM Not at all. It would be an unattractive lump. Centerfield Nov 17 2008 01:46 PM I called Mariano Rivera a murderer. You may direct all correspondence on that subject to me. Thanks. metsmarathon Nov 17 2008 06:25 PM wait... who hates cal ripken? i mean, fine, the holiday inn commercials are insufferable and all, but that aside, does anybody really hate him? Willets Point Nov 17 2008 06:27 PM ="metsmarathon"]wait... who hates cal ripken? i mean, fine, the holiday inn commercials are insufferable and all, but that aside, does anybody really hate him? Millions of people hate Cal Ripken. Rogers has lists of all their names! cooby Nov 17 2008 07:37 PM Hey. What does blovating mean? Fman99 Nov 17 2008 07:42 PM ="cooby":1yvq0p7i]Hey. What does blovating mean?[/quote:1yvq0p7i] I don't know. But there is a 100% chance I work it into my CPF song parody challenge play-in game. cooby Nov 17 2008 07:47 PM Fman, if you do, I promise to vote for you HahnSolo Nov 17 2008 08:04 PM ="Edgy DC":3dmxgmap]Steve tries to get support for his viewpoint at a Yankee forum --- while endorsing "hate" as long as it remains baseless --- and annoys them into closing the thread: http://forums.nyyfans.com/archive/index.php/t-97459.html[/quote:3dmxgmap] He's an equal opportunity annoyer. John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 17 2008 08:40 PM Jeezziz. Valadius Nov 17 2008 08:56 PM Steve, I don't like the fact that you bad-mouthed me on another board. Nymr83 Nov 17 2008 09:12 PM wow board-drama. and steve can't even keep it on the board. hey steve, if this place is so bad that you have to complain about it elsewhere, why are you still here? metsguyinmichigan Nov 17 2008 09:29 PM Damn, stuck in a school board meeting all day and I missed this. 1) I hate Derek Jeter. He's Mr. Yankee 2) I like David Wright. A lot. He's Mr. Met, at least the non-costumed one. 3) Mariano Rivera is a soul-less cyborg with a dangerous pool. 4) Steve needs to keeps his beefs about the 'Pool family within the 'Pool family. All caught up. metsmarathon Nov 18 2008 07:37 AM i so wish i had seen this thread earlier yesterday... i still haven't gotten an answer on what evidence there is showing cal ripken's hatedness. and i still don't know how david wright parallels derek jeter. i also would think that the whole point of this thread, initially, was to point out what i would call special hate, not just the generic 'waah i hate XXX 'cos they're our rival and they suck and blah blah blah, and i hate YYY cos he's their best player and he sucks too!' the instances stevie seems to be pulling out about fans of other teams whining over wrights accomplishments and cheering his misaccomplishments seems more like hating on, than hating. "david wright doesn't deserve to win the mvp because YYY was a muuch better player and he didnt come through when they needed him anyways" isn't hating, its hating on, or deliberately (and perhaps intellectually dishonestly) minimizing his accomplishments and value. and of course, using sound logic and reasoning in a fact-based argument against the gross overrating of a player, well, that's not hating. that's called analyzing derek jeter. and he does a terrifically poor job of relaying the conversations of this board to other boards. i mean, jeez! Benjamin Grimm Nov 18 2008 07:51 AM ="metsmarathon":3by8ybm2]and he does a terrifically poor job of relaying the conversations of this board to other boards. i mean, jeez![/quote:3by8ybm2] Is that at all surprising? It's amazing how tenaciously he's held on to this issue, even going to other boards to try to get validation for his point of view. It's appropriate that his link back to us contained the phrase "getalifealready" Centerfield Nov 18 2008 07:56 AM For the record, I have no problem with him talking badly about us on other boards. In fact, I wish he would post on those other boards more often. Like all the time. Steve, don't go away mad... themetfairy Nov 18 2008 08:47 AM There was also the great leap of logic (if you can call it that) that Steve made. He asked, "How can you not like Mario Rivera?" I answered that I found the electrified pool to be a reason not to like him. He then extrapolated that I was blinded by irrational hatred, and posted about my obsessiveness all over the Internet. Yeah, I was the obsessed one here.... G-Fafif Nov 18 2008 09:10 AM I have to confess I barely remember the Mariano Rivera pool story and don't remember, at all, the conversation here about it. That said, fuck Mariano Rivera and fuck the Yankees. I mean, geez... soupcan Nov 18 2008 09:19 AM I didn't get much of a chance to get here yesterday and read most of this thread on my BlackBerry on the train home. "It's gold Jerry, pure gold!" Seriously, I was cracking up all the way home. Edgy DC Nov 18 2008 10:03 AM I keep Metro North moving. Kong76 Nov 18 2008 07:21 PM SJR: I'm clarifing it for you by holding up a fucking mirror <=== EDC: Don't fucking mirror me. <===

Also Wright is getting tons of Jeter-Hate based on his good looks, squeaky clean image and the fact that he is plastered every where as a "face of MLB."

Well, some of it has to do with Reyes' silly dances. As well a general hatred for all things New York City related.

Elster88 wrote: Whatever. See Maris, R., 1961. Also see Mantle, M., 1951-1960

From the Mets themselves, on the Citi Field side anyway, this was announced during the final weekend at Shea. Since Shea is in the process of becoming a parking lot, they are going to need a place if something unforeseen happens. OYS isn't going down because there is still battles over what is to become of that site.

It also is a worst case scenario stadium in case neither NYS or Citi Field are ready in time.

Edgy DC wrote: Still and all, it's kind of one of the things fans tend to want in their players --- that they care as much about the rivalries as the fans do. In part that is because in some variations of various rivalries, that actually was the case. There were several instances where the Red Sox players truly hated the Yankees, and vice versa. Ditto Cardinals-Dodgers, Dodgers-Giants, etc. Sure some of that were during the pre-union era (the 70s Yankee-Sox rivalry may have been the last of the pure hatred by players on both sides) and all, but fans, or at least those who know the history of the rivalry, know at one time the players on both teams despised one another.

Met Hunter wrote: It wasn't game 7, it was the divisional clincher versus the Cubs. I missed that game due to work. My brother and I were at Game 7 and weren't allowed on the field. We didn't want to destroy it, just run out there like everyone did in '69. The field did get pretty messed up that night vs. Chicago, and I can't remember anyone ever having an on field celebration like that ever agin. Hmmm, for some reason I seem to recall a small group of field rushers mixed in with the players. Ehh, could just have been clubhouse personnel and such.

="G-Fafif":gggwrmyu]="HahnSolo":gggwrmyu]This is the Mets. Don't hold your breath.[/quote:gggwrmyu] I'm still stunned they built a new ballpark when targeted. I would have bet on a Shea "it'll be ready in 1963" scenario.[/quote:gggwrmyu] HA! Anyone recall, or know what the hangup was there? I mean it was literally right there on the 1962 program, "The 1963 Home Of The Mets" and all! soupcan Oct 31 2008 09:19 PM ="Edgy DC":3izds9qf]How 'bout some love for the straight man?[/quote:3izds9qf] Goes without saying. Willets Point Oct 31 2008 11:09 PM ="Edgy DC":2ld5yelf]How 'bout some love for the straight man?[/quote:2ld5yelf] Always working the gay icon angle aren't you? Edgy DC Nov 01 2008 06:32 AM I'm a straight man in need of gay love, or something. metirish Nov 03 2008 08:51 AM ] City now owns over 40% of Willets Point after latest buy By John Lauinger Daily News Staff Writer Monday, November 3rd 2008, 10:29 AM The city has gobbled up another chunk of Willets Point in Queens as Mayor Bloomberg pushes his plan to transform the gritty industrial zone near Shea Stadium. In the biggest land deal to date in the neighborhood, the city persuaded Indian food distributor House of Spices - the second-largest landowner at Willets Point - to sell its 4 acres, city officials told the Daily News. The deal is expected to be announced Monday along with an agreement for a third of an acre owned by another company. Combined with previously inked deals, the city now controls more than 40% of the 62-acre tangle of auto body shops and other businesses - and could soon have half the land. Bloomberg wants to spend $3 billion to turn the area into a glitzy enclave of 5,500 residences, stores, a hotel and a convention center. The percentage of city-controlled land is becoming increasingly important as pressure mounts on Bloomberg to sell skeptical City Council members on his plan before Nov. 13. That is the deadline for the Council to take a make-or-break vote on the proposal. Previously, 32 of 51 Council members signed a letter saying Bloomberg's $3 billion proposal is "doomed" unless eminent domain - the government's power to take private land for public use - is taken off the table. City economic development officials are promising to roll out as many as nine additional deals before the deadline. Four deals are "imminent" and could be announced this week, and talks with five other businesses are "very far along," said Andrew Brent, a spokesman for Deputy Mayor Robert Lieber. If all of those deals are inked, the city would control slightly more than half of Willets Point. "They still have a lot of work to do in a very short period of time," said City Councilman Hiram Monserrate (D-Queens), whose district includes Willets Point. He said the city must also add more affordable housing to the plan. jlauinger@nydailynews.com Willets Point Nov 03 2008 10:02 AM ="metirish"]] City now owns over 40% of Willets Point after latest buy No one owns me, I'm my own man! soupcan Nov 04 2008 10:45 AM Benjamin Grimm Nov 04 2008 10:50 AM Are those Doug Flynn's initials? metirish Nov 04 2008 10:51 AM JR Ewing? soupcan Nov 04 2008 10:52 AM 'Junior' for Jeff Wilpon. metsguyinmichigan Nov 04 2008 11:19 AM Looking at the construction workers and the "courage" work, I think the Robinson Routunda might turn out better than I expected. G-Fafif Nov 04 2008 12:44 PM Where is the panel that delineates PROFIT? Vince Coleman Firecracker Nov 04 2008 12:47 PM ="G-Fafif":3nkr8yzs]Where is the panel that delineates PROFIT?[/quote:3nkr8yzs] It's in your wallet, where your money used to be. John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 04 2008 12:55 PM ="Benjamin Grimm":k2s009ni] Are those Doug Flynn's initials?[/quote:k2s009ni] lol Frayed Knot Nov 04 2008 03:48 PM Hey, at least there are NYM logos on that gating and not LAD A Boy Named Seo Nov 04 2008 03:59 PM ="soupcan"] Those things remind me of these things: metirish Nov 04 2008 04:02 PM That's not for me? soupcan Nov 06 2008 07:32 AM Edgy DC Nov 06 2008 07:57 AM So a big difference there is no façade on the back of the upper bleachers. Is it because exposed ironwork is cool or is it to make more of an open-air concourse? Benjamin Grimm Nov 06 2008 08:03 AM What about the color of the bricks? Does anyone know? How well does the color of Citi Field match Ebbets? metirish Nov 06 2008 08:19 AM Ebbets Field looks better I think, at least from that view. That's not a photo though , is it? soupcan Nov 06 2008 08:39 AM Here's another HahnSolo Nov 06 2008 09:34 AM ="soupcan"]Here's another Easiest Where's Waldo ever. soupcan Nov 06 2008 09:37 AM Golf clap. soupcan Nov 18 2008 10:58 AM Sod is down... Picture 2326.avi metirish Nov 18 2008 10:59 AM I got to say that seeing those pictures excites me. metsguyinmichigan Nov 18 2008 11:47 AM ="HahnSolo"]="soupcan"]Here's another Easiest Where's Waldo ever. VERY funny! SteveJRogers Nov 18 2008 07:56 PM It is now a neat juxtaposition looking at Shea and Citi Field in overhead photos now and a year ago. One stadium with field and seats waiting for the new season to begin, the other the field looks like a battlefield, and the seats are not installed. Zvon Nov 18 2008 08:19 PM ="metirish":1zykiufq]I got to say that seeing those pictures excites me.[/quote:1zykiufq] I have to admit they excite me too. Edgy DC Nov 18 2008 08:56 PM Looking at those pictures, it's be kind of cool if they just paved over the field area and let the structure stand, letting early comers park and tailgate on the former field. Willets Point Nov 18 2008 09:17 PM ="Edgy DC":ez0b190s]Looking at those pictures, it's be kind of cool if they just paved over the field area and let the structure stand, letting early comers park and tailgate on the former field.[/quote:ez0b190s] And in a thousand years it will have the derelict charm of the Roman Coliseum. Hey, it already has the feral cats. Benjamin Grimm Nov 19 2008 04:29 AM I've thought the same thing. They'd just have to pop out some passageways so that traffic could flow easily. SteveJRogers Nov 25 2008 02:15 PM From baseball-fever.com a view from behind home plate (Merged from More Citi Field photos, 11/25/2008) Benjamin Grimm Nov 25 2008 02:18 PM That porch in right field looks like a drawer that needs to be pushed shut. (Merged from More Citi Field photos, 11/25/2008) metirish Nov 25 2008 02:26 PM From baseball-fever (Merged from More Citi Field photos, 11/25/2008) G-Fafif Nov 25 2008 02:27 PM Orange foul poles, my heart be still. (Merged from More Citi Field photos, 11/25/2008) Benjamin Grimm Nov 25 2008 02:29 PM I can picture a slicing line drive landing in fair territory and bouncing into the stands at the lower left. I guess it would still be a ground-rule double if that happened, even though the stands it bounces into are in foul territory. I wonder what "Hal the Referee" would say? (Merged from More Citi Field photos, 11/25/2008) John Cougar Lunchbucket Nov 25 2008 02:31 PM ="G-Fafif":17s8qtsk]Orange foul poles, my heart be still.[/quote:17s8qtsk] Yeah. Looked like earlier versions had 'em yellow. Maybe they were just renderings. (Merged from More Citi Field photos, 11/25/2008) Frayed Knot Nov 25 2008 02:34 PM Oh it would be a G-R double. Stuff like that happens all the time in Philly (both the new place and the old) and both in YSII and in RF in Boston (and I'm sure others as well). Hard to tell, but these jutting stands in LF don't look to have as extreme an angle as those in Philly but looks like we'll still get our share of goofy bounces back towards fair territory for balls that stay low enough to hit the facing of the stands and not bounce into the seats themselves. (Merged from More Citi Field photos, 11/25/2008) metirish Nov 25 2008 02:35 PM This link here has a better picture of the lines and the foul pole. http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=60954&page=341 Also there are drawings of the park. (Merged from More Citi Field photos, 11/25/2008) Farmer Ted Nov 25 2008 02:46 PM There appear to be extra tunnels in the upper deck behind home plate. Quick outs for the upper level fat cats. What is that press-box-looking-structure behind home plate (about 15 feet up from playing level? (Merged from More Citi Field photos, 11/25/2008) Benjamin Grimm Dec 02 2008 04:08 PM ]Citi Field nearly ready to open its doors Builders of Mets' new ballpark influenced by other stadiums By Anthony DiComo / MLB.com NEW YORK -- The left-field wall rises conspicuously high at Citi Field, making it both a point of note and, recently, a point of contention. "Eighteen feet," Mets COO Jeff Wilpon guessed on Tuesday, before a site worker pegged the actual height at 16 feet. And Wilpon was pleased. Citi Field, he said, may retain its predecessor's reputation as a pitcher-friendly park, but it hardly caters only to those on the mound. Toward the end of September, in fact, Wilpon invited players David Wright, Daniel Murphy and Nick Evans out for a private batting practice session at the new park, and all three of them managed to yank a pitch over the wall. "Evans put it halfway up the left-field deck," Wilpon said. "It's totally reachable." Such details of the new stadium have now become focal points, because Citi Field is so close to completion. A stroll through the park on Tuesday revealed that all the seats have been installed, the press box and Diamond Club are already encased in glass, and workers have begun installing major appliances within the concession stands. Yet of greater interest to Wright, Murphy, Evans and others in uniform, of course, is what lies deeper within the stadium. Lockers have been fully installed in the home clubhouse -- Wright has already chosen his -- and the carpet and bathroom tiles feature images of the fluorescent icons affixed to Shea Stadium's exterior walls. Adjacent rooms lead to some typical clubhouse amenities -- the manager's office, kitchen and weight room, to name a few -- save for one in the back that houses a hot tub, a cold tub and an underwater treadmill. Unlike anything at Shea Stadium, that room, along with one for indoor batting cages and pitching mounds, will allow players to rehab injuries at Citi Field, rather than always fly to the team's Spring Training complex in Port St. Lucie, Fla. In designing this ballpark, the Mets patched together ideas and influences from stadiums around the country. An overhang in right field, for example, protrudes above the warning track in a nod to the old Tiger Stadium. In the upper deck, a two-tiered layout reveals influence from Cincinnati's Great American Ball Park. Pieces of Citizens Bank Park in Philadelphia and Coors Field in Denver are present, though Wilpon noted that his greatest influence in the design of Citi Field was seven-year-old PNC Park in Pittsburgh. "I wanted to super-size Pittsburgh," said Wilpon, who went on a nationwide ballpark tour before building his own. "I really liked Pittsburgh the best." Yet the one influence, even more than Pittsburgh's, that Wilpon wanted to capture was that of Ebbets Field in Brooklyn -- the inspiration for Citi Field's exterior and perhaps its most prominent feature, the Jackie Robinson Rotunda. Still incomplete, the rotunda will become Citi Field's main entranceway, allowing fans to spill out of the Willits Point subway station and into a miniature baseball shrine. An escalator leads up to the seating bowl and down below, Robinson's nine values -- a staple of the Jackie Robinson Foundation's message -- are featured. Before Opening Day, workers will also erect a nine-foot No. 42 for fans to see as they enter the park. Steps outside the rotunda lies something similarly striking, if only for its incompleteness. Shea Stadium, home of the Mets for 44 years, has been reduced to an empty dirt bowl, its seats stripped, its sod removed and nearly all of its signage disappeared. Wilpon said he hoped that Shea would be completely disassembled and converted into a parking lot by Opening Day, with small markers at the site of home plate and the pitcher's rubber. Already, Shea Stadium's frame is nearly lost in the shadow of Citi Field, which -- despite holding only 42,500 seats, roughly a 25 percent drop from Shea -- seems built on a much greater scale. There are open areas for picnic tables and standing room, and a "GA Club" behind home plate in which ticket-holders can mingle. There is a Diamond Plaza near the rotunda where Shea Stadium's old home run apple will rest, and a large concrete basin in center field for Citi Field's new apple. There are tiered bullpens in center field -- the Mets will have the lower one, closer to the field -- and a plaza outside the rotunda for greenery. Wilpon was steps away from that plaza, inside the Jackie Robinson Rotunda, when he looked up and admired his handiwork. "Powerful, right?" he said. "It's now becoming what we want it to become." G-Fafif Dec 02 2008 04:34 PM Very pretty pictures of a very pretty ballpark-to-be. But their immediate impact is to make me sad in that it's so not Shea. I know, I know: that's the idea. A few innings inside could have me changing my tune pretty quickly, but it just looks like something else from somewhere else right now. Edgy DC Dec 02 2008 04:56 PM ="Anthony DiComo":3aqa8uko]Toward the end of September, in fact, Wilpon invited players David Wright, Daniel Murphy and Nick Evans out for a private batting practice session at the new park, and all three of them managed to yank a pitch over the wall.[/quote:3aqa8uko] What in particular gets your attention about this sentence? metirish Dec 02 2008 04:59 PM That Nick Evens hit one out , that it was towards the end of September ,that " yank a pitch over the wall" doesn't sound that far. Benjamin Grimm Dec 02 2008 05:10 PM I like that the tiles and carpeting include a tribute to Shea Stadium. Edgy DC Dec 02 2008 05:14 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 02 2008 05:23 PM Richard Pryor had this observation to make during a seventies routine. People were talking about this dystopic futureshock sci-fi movie, called Logan's Run that left them unsettled. He went to it and was unsettled for a different reason. "I noticed there were no colored folks in this movie. Somebody's not expecting us to be around." Not that I think they're eradicating peeps of color from the roster, but while some Omar-critics may find it depressing that only five of 17 batters on the roster are caucasian, I noticed three of those five were the only ones invited to Jeff Wilpon's (who I don't think is a moron) private sleepover. Dude needs to broaden his experience. This ain't the Greenvale School. Edgy DC Dec 02 2008 05:16 PM And yeah, I'm not too keen on Wilpon not understanding that they should be focused on the business at hand in late September. Nymr83 Dec 02 2008 05:18 PM It seems obvious that Wright would be the first one invited and Murphy was being rewarded for his explosive rookie performance. Nick Evans? really? you need Nick Evans to test out your new park? I understand not inviting Delgado who might not be back but where was Beltran? Reyes? Edgy DC Dec 02 2008 05:23 PM Pat Zachry. I mean, good sources have assured me that they speak English and everything. G-Fafif Dec 02 2008 05:48 PM ]Still incomplete, the rotunda will become Citi Field's main entranceway, allowing fans to spill out of the Willits Point subway station Anthony DiComo obviously drives to games and has never seen the sign for the station (or met our own Willets Point). With the ballpark name in at least a little limbo, one hopes the MTA hasn't invested in new station signs just yet. metirish Dec 02 2008 05:58 PM ="metirish"]That Nick Evens hit one out , that it was towards the end of September ,that " yank a pitch over the wall" doesn't sound that far. I had not read the article when I made that comment , so Wilpon was talking about a 16 foot high wall in LF , not sure if I'm Nick Evens I think that the boss is giving me a compliment here. ] Evans put it halfway up the left-field deck," Wilpon said. "It's totally reachable." Edgy DC Dec 02 2008 06:10 PM I want it noted, suckers, that one of the primary indictments of Shea --- that the outfield field-level seats largely face directly toward the outfield, rather than the infield where most of the action occurs, does not appear to be improved upon at all at Citi. soupcan Dec 04 2008 08:23 AM bb-f again ="Edgy DC"]I want it noted, suckers, that one of the primary indictments of Shea --- that the outfield field-level seats largely face directly toward the outfield, rather than the infield where most of the action occurs, does not appear to be improved upon at all at Citi. Not so! Angled seats... metirish Dec 04 2008 08:54 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 04 2008 09:44 AM High staircase and escalator obviously , people falling and going splat on the Robinson rotunda is to be expected I would think. Edgy DC Dec 04 2008 09:25 AM ="soupcan":188c6xn0]Not so! Angled seats...[/quote:188c6xn0] Well, shut my mouth. Rows angled maybe ten degrees toward the infield. Seats angled ten degrees more. That's something. Benjamin Grimm Dec 04 2008 09:27 AM I do like the improved legroom. You can even have a guy in a hardhat kneel down in front of your seat, if that's your idea of a good time. Edgy DC Dec 04 2008 09:30 AM You've been reading my blog. soupcan Dec 04 2008 01:12 PM Cool little video tour of Citi[/url:3bdfxevb] metirish Dec 04 2008 01:18 PM ="soupcan":3fpddl03]Cool little video tour of Citi[/url:3fpddl03][/quote:3fpddl03] Very cool , at the 2:10 mark they show a fenced in patch of green next to the stand in what I think is left of center field , is that the bullpen? Farmer Ted Dec 04 2008 01:28 PM Mets logo on the end seat of each row. Looking classy. soupcan Dec 04 2008 01:29 PM A lot of nice hi-res shots like this at metsblog.com on the front page. This the first pic I've seen of the nice w - i - d - e concourses. seawolf17 Dec 04 2008 01:34 PM ="metirish":cf49cmfu]High staircase and escalator obviously , people falling and going splat on the Robinson rotunda is to be expected I would think.[/quote:cf49cmfu] Considering what happened this year, you'd think they'd be conscious of that. Benjamin Grimm Dec 04 2008 01:40 PM They should string circus-style safety nets below each of the escalators. That concourse does look nice. It's easy to see how you could be standing on the hot dog line while keeping an eye on the game. That, I think, is the best thing that the new stadium will have over Shea. I also like the visible steel infrastructure, although that's hardly an innovation. John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 04 2008 01:43 PM ="Benjamin Grimm":3jnxf2zm] I also like the visible steel infrastructure, although that's hardly an innovation.[/quote:3jnxf2zm] Yeah, though its supposed to subtly remind you of the bridge on the Mets logo, which is supposed to remind you of how the Mets reached across the city to "bridge" fans of the Giants and Dodgers, and the Eastsiders and Westsiders, and Kiddies and Wives, and the Butcher, the Baker and the People on the Street. Edgy DC Dec 04 2008 01:49 PM Thank God the Mets brought kiddies and wives together. Willets Point Dec 04 2008 03:19 PM ="Edgy DC":h0g9fccu]You've been reading my blog.[/quote:h0g9fccu] I want to read this blog. Valadius Dec 04 2008 04:02 PM I like the use of brick on the inside of the stadium rather than just the facade. Rockin' Doc Dec 04 2008 05:23 PM No one will ever pull an Endy on that left field wall. How tall is that wall in left field? Zvon Dec 04 2008 05:33 PM What I like: almost everything. It looks beautiful, real low to the ground. User friendly for the fan. On the whole a nice new home for my Metsies. What I don't like: I've never been a fan of the two tier bullpen. Hate em! Bullpen fights could make things exciting though. I really like the use of chain link fence here, but that one outjutting looks like trouble to me. Once again, the whole right field set up should make things exciting. (I'm not against "exciting", I just do not like silly injuries) I like an outfield wall where there's always a possibility of pulling one back into the park. So I'm not too thrilled with the height of that left field wall. I am assuming that these are the outfield walls (that there wont be wooden ones placed a foot or so in front of those we see, which I think I'd prefer). I'm sure that if they go with these concrete walls that will be padded with the best material available, but I still don't like the idea of a wall with absolutely no give to it. Don't mind me. Im just being an idiopathic idiosyncrat. themetfairy Dec 04 2008 05:57 PM Not at all Zvon - I enjoyed your illustrative input. Edgy DC Dec 04 2008 06:05 PM I like an outfield wall with a hidden door that an outfielder can suddenly disappear through. Valadius Dec 04 2008 06:36 PM It's almost like they're setting up for a Field of Dreams cornfield stunt. Frayed Knot Dec 04 2008 09:20 PM Or a Manny signing. soupcan Dec 07 2008 04:02 PM Old Apple goes here? Benjamin Grimm Dec 07 2008 05:23 PM My understanding (could be wrong, though) is that the old apple is going to be inside the stadium but somewhere in centerfield. Edgy DC Dec 07 2008 05:36 PM That'll be an all-nu apple. soupcan Dec 07 2008 05:42 PM You saying all-nu inside or all-nu outside? Edgy DC Dec 07 2008 07:15 PM All-nu inside. soupcan Dec 07 2008 07:21 PM Right - but that podium or hole or whatever is outside, so I'm thinking that's where the old one will go. Or a statue..? Frayed Knot Dec 07 2008 07:23 PM Yeah, my understanding was nu-apple inside, apple-classic on view somewhere outside. G-Fafif Dec 07 2008 08:08 PM Both will be out in center, according to Metsblog, which was on the media tour last week. ]For starters, Jeff Wilpon told reporters that the old Home-Run Apple from Shea Stadium will be on display in back of the concourse in center field, which was good to hear. However, a new Apple will pop up from a concrete cannister beneath the center-field scoreboard. That thing they're building outside, obviously, is a kiddie pool. soupcan Dec 12 2008 02:41 PM So the outside is an homage to Ebbets. The green seats are supposedly a nod to the Polo Grounds. Where's Shea? Oh there it is, on the floor of the locker room. Is that the ugliest damn rug you've ever seen or what? Edgy DC Dec 12 2008 02:44 PM That honor still belongs to the late Joe Pepitone. Zvon Dec 12 2008 02:49 PM That is one ugly rug. So Shea gets the honor of being stepped on? Valadius Dec 12 2008 04:58 PM Pepitone's rug looks like Blagojevich's. metirish Dec 12 2008 05:03 PM ="Edgy DC":befgt7hd]That honor still belongs to the late Joe Pepitone. [/quote:befgt7hd] Very funny. dgwphotography Dec 12 2008 05:11 PM ="Edgy DC"]That honor still belongs to the late Joe Pepitone. I'm think Phil here would give Joe a run for his money: themetfairy Dec 12 2008 05:14 PM That has to be Phil's own hair. Nobody would construct a toupee THAT ugly! metsguyinmichigan Dec 12 2008 05:43 PM ="metirish":3bn5ocf6]="Edgy DC":3bn5ocf6]That honor still belongs to the late Joe Pepitone. [/quote:3bn5ocf6] Very funny.[/quote:3bn5ocf6] WOW. And the rug on the guy on the right in the tan coat is horrible, too! And if I were Phil Spector's attorney, I'd go for the insanity defense and just point to him sitting there with that 'do and sit back and wait for the acquittal. soupcan Dec 12 2008 07:11 PM Pepitone's dead? Edgy DC Dec 12 2008 07:59 PM Guess not. My boo-boo. Sorry, Joe. I just sent a white elephant Christmas gift to my sister's Yankfan boyfriend. It was a Yankee hat that my brother got Pepitone's autograph on. What did he ever think I'd want with that. One time Pepitone, after missing a ballgame with a niggling injury while playing in Japan, was photographed at a disco later, out dancing with his wig. To this day, supposedly, American players who come to Japan and play the diva are called "Pepitones." Willets Point Dec 13 2008 05:52 PM ="soupcan":1k1wbb9f] Is that the ugliest damn rug you've ever seen or what?[/quote:1k1wbb9f] The carpet will be vastly improved by frequently soaking it in champagne. Farmer Ted Dec 13 2008 06:47 PM I was living in NC in the mid 90s and in charge of putting on a sports-related banquet. The Yankees had a minor league team in Greensboro for a number of years and the committee board voted to have a former Yankee or a current member of the organization to be the featured speaker. I swallowed my pride and called the Bronx. The PR office hack said someone would be in touch in a few days. Phone rings 20 minutes later. Pepitone on the other end. No shit. I explain we're looking for a speaker yadda yadda yadda and he says "I'll do it (basically volunteering himself). We can work on a fee but you need to fly me down there. Great times I had in that town." Apparently he had the gig of lining up the Yankees alumni for public appearances. I went back to the committee and told them Pepitone was the best I could do (not that I tried any harder). The room busted into hysterical laughter and we found someone else from a different sport to speak. Edgy DC Dec 13 2008 07:03 PM There was an episode of Mad About You where Jamie asked what ballplayer they can get for a personal appearance on a limited budget. Paul's answer was an aging swinger of a sixties Yankee firstbaseman clearly based on the Pep. cooby Dec 13 2008 07:56 PM I swear I was thinking about Joe Pepitone this morning. And why? Ashie62 Dec 17 2008 07:05 AM ="cooby":3lcpnzjo]I swear I was thinking about Joe Pepitone this morning. And why?[/quote:3lcpnzjo] Did you wake up with a woody? Rockin' Doc Dec 17 2008 10:24 AM I believe that would be a physical impossibility for cooby. metsmarathon Dec 17 2008 11:46 AM well, this thread sure has taken some strange strange turns hasn't it? Edgy DC Jan 07 2009 07:49 AM NEW YORK-- Mayor Michael Bloomberg's administration will forgo luxury boxes at the new Yankees and Mets ballparks, the city said Tuesday after months of criticism about its handling of the stadium projects. The administration has worked out a new deal with the Yankees to get extra money, instead of a luxury box. A separate and similar agreement is being worked out with the Mets for their new park, a Bloomberg spokesman said. Senior Bloomberg aides had fought hard to get the luxury boxes, describing the perk in internal e-mails as "a big issue to the mayor" during negotiations with the teams in 2006. That battle for the boxes only recently came to light as state and federal lawmakers launched investigations into how the teams and the administration went about making those deals. The decision to give up the luxury boxes comes as Bloomberg seeks reelection this year and repeatedly cites the city's enormous budget shortfalls. John Cougar Lunchbucket Jan 07 2009 07:56 AM They gave it up at the same time they were forced to cough up reams of smoking guns on how filthy the whole thing was, including begging by the MFYs to increase their duistribution of public $$ to cover shit like their scoreboard and video board. Mets are also asking for more but about half the MFYs overall since the project was so much less expensive. Centerfield Jan 07 2009 03:17 PM I think the Mets should sign Manny and ask the public to pick up the tab.

Completely forgot about The Ted in Atlanta as well, which is also off a highway pretty much. Which is funny considering The Georgia Dome and whatever replaced The Omni (home of NBA Hawks and NHL Thrashers) is located right in the middle of Atlanta's business district.

Well, that is something that it will have in common with Citizens Bank Ballpark as well! Oh it is in South Philly, but the distance between the neighboorhood and the Sports Complex is roughly the same as Citi/Shea and Flushing/Corona. I'm pretty sure these are the only two of the "newer" ballparks not to be smack dab in the middle of some residential or comerical area.

Willets Point wrote: In Boston after the various championships of recent years most of the post-victory violence occurred in the student quarters. Not to blame students but it seems that some of their number and/or people who live near the colleges like to use victory celebrations as an excuse to get rowdy. I've also found the media likes to sensationalize the violence and make it sound like a riot when it's not. Obviously no amount of violence is acceptable but it need not be exaggerated either. I can't speak for Philly but I expect it may be a similar story. Which is odd since NYC has a bunch of colleges in the city, hell Queens does have St. Johns for crying out loud, and you would think the media would lap up and over blow a minor "incident" around an NYC college. And I haven't really heard much during the 9 major NYC championships (the '86 Mets, the 4 Yankee ones, the three Giant championships and the '94 Rangers) that I've been aware of the outside world for. Something else is interesting, and I've asked this before but to no response. Was Game 7 of the 1986 World Series the last time a sea of humanity rushed the field for a baseball championship? I thought for sure that Philly's Phinest couldn't contain a few hundred yahoos from rushing the field. Granted MLB/FOX had the on-field trophies and awards set up, but still.

themetfairy wrote: I can never understand what makes people riot during times of great happiness. Dollars to doughnuts says they aren't fans, but are hooligans just looking for an excuse to act like miscreants.

3 more outs for a Philly championship.

Though it appears they did try to deflect blame and say that it was the Mets that gave them faulty info though.

I was referring to the BB that Willets mentioned. Several of the posters on the current MOFO were on GSS (yet another Met forum named after Ventura's infamous game winning hit in Game 5 1999 NLCS of course), and got the boot in the same fashion as Vic mentioned, for pretty much the same reasons.