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Didn't see the need for change. Liked the old version.

Rubin doesn't write the headlines. Just typical Daily News idiocy there with the back page nonsense.

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="batmagadanleadoff":kzvkayl1]="Gwreck":kzvkayl1]This guy wasn't a paying customer, accordingly the rules are different.[/quote:kzvkayl1] Are they? If the student was also considered to be a Met employee at that moment, then I could see the justification. But what about my Roger Angell hypothetical? And what about the complimentary guest tickets that the visiting team is allotted for each game? Does this mean that Brad Lidge's kid can't wear a Phillie cap at Citi Field?[/quote:kzvkayl1] I really think the rules *are* different for the media. If Roger Angell showed up wearing a Phillies hat in the pressbox, I'd be fine with the Mets asking him to remove the hat or leave. Nymr83 Apr 02 2009 09:56 AM ="Gwreck":2wlwkjea]="batmagadanleadoff":2wlwkjea]="Gwreck":2wlwkjea]This guy wasn't a paying customer, accordingly the rules are different.[/quote:2wlwkjea] Are they? If the student was also considered to be a Met employee at that moment, then I could see the justification. But what about my Roger Angell hypothetical? And what about the complimentary guest tickets that the visiting team is allotted for each game? Does this mean that Brad Lidge's kid can't wear a Phillie cap at Citi Field?[/quote:2wlwkjea] I really think the rules *are* different for the media. If Roger Angell showed up wearing a Phillies hat in the pressbox, I'd be fine with the Mets asking him to remove the hat or leave.[/quote:2wlwkjea] as would i. but lets be clear that theres still no evidence that the METS told or asked this kid to do anything. so far it looks like it was all someone from st johns batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 10:00 AM ="Nymr83":f5xc7li3]as would i. but lets be clear that theres still no evidence that the METS told or asked this kid to do anything. so far it looks like it was all someone from st johns[/quote:f5xc7li3] Understood. I assume that we're all posting hypothetically -- under the premise that we don't know for sure if and why the student was ejected. By the way, I dislike the idea that the Mets could impose a dress code in the press box, although they have the right to, if that's their choice. Otherwise, the slope really has slipped; does this mean that the Phillies broadcasters (e.g. Harry Kalas) can't wear Phillie gear? Edgy DC Apr 02 2009 10:08 AM You know, the Warriors just wanted to walk peacefully through the Orphans' territory, but the Orphans insisted they remove their colors. And we know how that turned out. Centerfield Apr 02 2009 10:43 AM Since we're all up on a pedestal in this thread: The Mets should not limit any clothing, accessories etc. unless it is vulgar, obscene, or distasteful in some way. Other teams' apparel obviously does not fit into this category. I wouldn't want to see the Mets make any such limitations in the press box or in the stands. The obvious exception is employees of the organization, who should wear whatever the fuck the Mets tell them to wear. As such, St. John's, or any other employer, be it the Philly newspapers or otherwise, has every right, and should, if they feel it is necessary, to restrict the apparel of any of their employees during company time. That means if your boss tells you to take off the Phillies jacket, take off the Phillies jacket. If your boss gives you a jacket to wear, put the damn thing on. Turning our attention to loser-Fonzie-wannabe-Philly-Fan...he was not removed from CitiField for his apparel. He was given a choice to follow orders, or quit, from his boss. He chose to quit. The only reason he had to leave was because his job was his basis for being at the game. If he had then gone outside and bought a ticket, he could have come back inside and worn his Phillies jacket and held up a sign that said "St. John's = Big Brother" if he so chose. He did not. So fuck him. Rockin' Doc Apr 02 2009 11:14 AM CF - "The Mets should not limit any clothing, accessories etc. unless it is vulgar, obscene, or distasteful in some way. Other teams' apparel obviously does not fit into this category...." I don't know CF, I find a Yankee cap to be rather distasteful. metsguyinmichigan Apr 02 2009 11:21 AM No employer or team should prevent him from wearing the jacket, but that doesn't mean he should wear it. It's like cheering in the press box. If I stood in there cheering for the Mets, no one would say, "Hey, we're not supposed to cheer up here." But it would be like the giant douchebag signal shining brightly in the Gothom City sky. There would be plenty of eye-rolling and snide remarks, because sportswriters like the "holier than thou" thing. Suprisingly, the opposite of cheer-leading is openly accepted. You could sit there all day saying "Delgado is a bum" and the writers would likely praise your for your knowledge. The exception is questioning St. Derek's range or intangibles. That will get you booted. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 02 2009 11:24 AM It doesn't seem plausible that Mets personnel would have gotten so upset about this when at least several dozen folks in Yank gear-- and probably a handful more in Phil-analia-- were also milling about (having seen a bunch of these vinegary fellows in fan photos). It seems a likelier story that department-head guy was a little antsy about St. John's staff provoking adverse reactions-- even if mild-- on a high-visibility day in a facility that wasn't theirs, and did a bad job of standing his ground when pressed by a smartass ("I'll wear it under the Phils jacket-- what's the problem? No, I haven't eaten shit today-- why do you ask?"). ="batmagadanleadoff"]Oh ... and by the way ... shouldn't the thread title be A Matter of Ph**king Principle? Done and done. (Had been thinking of the Utley quote.) metirish Apr 02 2009 12:40 PM How do we explain this to the Iraqis ? Number 6 Apr 02 2009 09:08 PM To me, there are two things we're talking about here. One is the right of this guy's employer, or the Mets, to dictate what he can and can't wear, and the phan's responsibility to comply. I think CF covered this well; they have a right to tell the guy to take his jacket off. He disagreed, and maybe lost some of the high ground with the passive-aggressive "under the jacket" dickishness, but ultimately he took a stand, no matter how dubious it was, and accepted the consequences. Fine. To me, the more important point is less the right of his employer/the Mets to dictate his dress, but whether they should exercise that right. Let's assume, for the moment, that the order did come from the Mets and not St. John's, and that the phan was as otherwise respectful as he makes himself out to be. Is there anyone who believes that, while retaining the right to do so, the Mets should tell him to take the jacket off? Are Met fans really so childish that a Phillies jacket is an unbearable affront? Would we be OK with the Mets thinking we are? Personally, it really chafes me when I see people wearing Yankees, Braves or Phillies gear to games when that team isn't in the park. And while I don't think it's appropriate for the Mets or anyone else to restrict their right to wear that gear, I am very comfortable with my personal right to judge them. This kid's a dick, but let him broadcast that fact in peace. Nymr83 Apr 03 2009 06:16 AM No, I don't think the Mets should exercise that right with regard to an employee of a college baseball team playing at their stadium. but i also dont think they did exercise that right. batmagadanleadoff Apr 03 2009 06:52 AM ="Nymr83"]No, I don't think the Mets should exercise that right with regard to an employee of a college baseball team playing at their stadium. but i also dont think they did exercise that right. Me neither. This matter was probably purely between the student and the university. I'd also bet that the student wasn't being entirely objective when he posted his account, and probably shaded the story somewhat so as to favor him. I don't think that the Mets ever enforced any kind of dress code at Shea concerning opposing teams gear -- in the press box or anywhere else. I assume that nothing will change at Citi Field. Ashie62 Apr 03 2009 09:45 AM Elaine..You cannot wear the Oriloles hat in mr. Steinbrenner's box!

Hell no, but I'm guessing that the conditions on the back of the ticket permit them to do so (assuming they refund the purchase price of the ticket). This guy wasn't a paying customer, accordingly the rules are different.

="Edgy DC":3475yfro]What scares me is the thought of the St. John's folk seeing the Mets as a fearsome intolerant corporate bullyboy that must be pre-emptively propitated. And when you treat folks like that, they often become like that, and it's a slippery slope leading perhaps to the point where Yankee Stadium isn't the only place where the weekend polezei are making people stay in place during "God Bless America" or else.[/quote:3475yfro] Yeah, I don't see it. Mostly based on that he wasn't a paying customer. Put restrictions on the paying customers and I see a problem. I can't see the Mets placing a reasonable restriction* on what working staff/credentialed press gets to wear as a problem. Really, I'm not sure that the working media really should be wearing team-logo stuff when covering an event. Seems unprofessional. No cheering in the pressbox and all that. *and it indeed was reasonable in the matter at issue. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 08:48 AM The student had a right to want a confrontation, so long as it's the legal kind that is to be reasonably expected in a stadium where fans show up to root for opposing teams, and not a physical confrontation or unreasonably abusive vocal one; otherwise the Mets could rightfully eject the student based upon his unruly behavior rather than on his choice of wardrobe. I have no problem if it turned out that the student was ejected and that St. John's called all the shots. I'm pretty sure that a private university does have the right to institute dress codes for their students. This particular student was also at Citi Field in some sort of employment capacity as well, even if he wasn't being compensated for his assignment -- this also gives St. John's the right to determine what the student ought to have worn. But I think it was wrong if the Mets decided to remove the student. What if the kid wore a KC Royal jersey? Or a Seattle Pilot throwback? Are Dodger unis permitted? A Manny Ramirez jersey? Mike Scioscia throwback? Jackie Robinson jersey? Edgy DC Apr 02 2009 08:52 AM But --- and this comes from his account which you certainly don't have to take a face value --- does St. John's have the right to arbitrarily "institute dress codes" after the fact when they've seen what colors he's sporting? Understand, I think he deserves a shit sandwich for claiming that he offered to compromise by wearing the Johnny's jacket under his uniform. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 09:02 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 02 2009 09:04 AM ="Edgy DC"]But --- and this comes from his account which you certainly don't have to take a face value --- does St. John's have the right to arbitrarily "institute dress codes" after the fact when they've seen what colors he's sporting? I would guess "yes". St. John's has so much leeway here, they could do almost anything. They could, for example, justify their actions on grounds that the Phillie jacket might've attracted enough attention from Met fans so as to prevent the student from being able to properly perform his duties. This would be the function over form rationale. But I think that whether or not the kid was an asshole is irrelevant here. He has the right to be an asshole so long as he doesn't interfere with anybody else's ability to enjoy the game. John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 02 2009 09:02 AM I just think everyone involved was concerned that the headlines from the first game ever at the park read BEAUTIFUL PARK OPENS and not DOUCHE BEATEN TO DEATH The backdrop, I think, is a sad commentary on the state of fan behavior in general (as the Sean Green Number Controversy is). G-Fafif Apr 02 2009 09:04 AM ="Edgy DC":eo1f1f0g]Douchebags got rights too.[/quote:eo1f1f0g] This rule of law is why it's technically considered a crime to beat MFY fans to bloody pulps. Technically. Fman99 Apr 02 2009 09:05 AM Who's got two thumbs and smells like vinegar and water? This guy! batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 09:08 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 02 2009 09:31 AM It cuts both ways. Would anyone here like it if they were ejected from Citizens Bank Park for wearing a Met cap but otherwise behaving like the perfect model citizen bank? Gwreck Apr 02 2009 09:11 AM Hell no, but I'm guessing that the conditions on the back of the ticket permit them to do so (assuming they refund the purchase price of the ticket). This guy wasn't a paying customer, accordingly the rules are different. G-Fafif Apr 02 2009 09:11 AM What I get from that picture is the guy really likes Pepsi. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 09:22 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 02 2009 09:23 AM ="Gwreck":bmmnxytl]This guy wasn't a paying customer, accordingly the rules are different.[/quote:bmmnxytl] Are they? If the student was also considered to be a Met employee at that moment, then I could see the justification. But what about my Roger Angell hypothetical? And what about the complimentary guest tickets that the visiting team is allotted for each game? Does this mean that Brad Lidge's kid can't wear a Phillie cap at Citi Field? TransMonk Apr 02 2009 09:22 AM The similarities between the huge Pepsi "P" and the Phillies "P" is a bit disturbing. metsguyinmichigan Apr 02 2009 09:23 AM Just noticed the writing on the tarp. What the heck is that? I'm assuming it's a giant ad. What does it say? Edgy DC Apr 02 2009 09:23 AM That does it. I'm burning that building down. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 09:24 AM The stadium does remind me of Citizens Bank, in that photograph. G-Fafif Apr 02 2009 09:35 AM ="metsguyinmichigan":1clc7wsc]Just noticed the writing on the tarp. What the heck is that? I'm assuming it's a giant ad. What does it say?[/quote:1clc7wsc] Sports SPDR or something to that effect. They're the sponsor of Mets rain delays. No, I'm not kidding. Gwreck Apr 02 2009 09:49 AM ="batmagadanleadoff":kzvkayl1]="Gwreck":kzvkayl1]This guy wasn't a paying customer, accordingly the rules are different.[/quote:kzvkayl1] Are they? If the student was also considered to be a Met employee at that moment, then I could see the justification. But what about my Roger Angell hypothetical? And what about the complimentary guest tickets that the visiting team is allotted for each game? Does this mean that Brad Lidge's kid can't wear a Phillie cap at Citi Field?[/quote:kzvkayl1] I really think the rules *are* different for the media. If Roger Angell showed up wearing a Phillies hat in the pressbox, I'd be fine with the Mets asking him to remove the hat or leave. Nymr83 Apr 02 2009 09:56 AM ="Gwreck":2wlwkjea]="batmagadanleadoff":2wlwkjea]="Gwreck":2wlwkjea]This guy wasn't a paying customer, accordingly the rules are different.[/quote:2wlwkjea] Are they? If the student was also considered to be a Met employee at that moment, then I could see the justification. But what about my Roger Angell hypothetical? And what about the complimentary guest tickets that the visiting team is allotted for each game? Does this mean that Brad Lidge's kid can't wear a Phillie cap at Citi Field?[/quote:2wlwkjea] I really think the rules *are* different for the media. If Roger Angell showed up wearing a Phillies hat in the pressbox, I'd be fine with the Mets asking him to remove the hat or leave.[/quote:2wlwkjea] as would i. but lets be clear that theres still no evidence that the METS told or asked this kid to do anything. so far it looks like it was all someone from st johns batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 10:00 AM ="Nymr83":f5xc7li3]as would i. but lets be clear that theres still no evidence that the METS told or asked this kid to do anything. so far it looks like it was all someone from st johns[/quote:f5xc7li3] Understood. I assume that we're all posting hypothetically -- under the premise that we don't know for sure if and why the student was ejected. By the way, I dislike the idea that the Mets could impose a dress code in the press box, although they have the right to, if that's their choice. Otherwise, the slope really has slipped; does this mean that the Phillies broadcasters (e.g. Harry Kalas) can't wear Phillie gear? Edgy DC Apr 02 2009 10:08 AM You know, the Warriors just wanted to walk peacefully through the Orphans' territory, but the Orphans insisted they remove their colors. And we know how that turned out. Centerfield Apr 02 2009 10:43 AM Since we're all up on a pedestal in this thread: The Mets should not limit any clothing, accessories etc. unless it is vulgar, obscene, or distasteful in some way. Other teams' apparel obviously does not fit into this category. I wouldn't want to see the Mets make any such limitations in the press box or in the stands. The obvious exception is employees of the organization, who should wear whatever the fuck the Mets tell them to wear. As such, St. John's, or any other employer, be it the Philly newspapers or otherwise, has every right, and should, if they feel it is necessary, to restrict the apparel of any of their employees during company time. That means if your boss tells you to take off the Phillies jacket, take off the Phillies jacket. If your boss gives you a jacket to wear, put the damn thing on. Turning our attention to loser-Fonzie-wannabe-Philly-Fan...he was not removed from CitiField for his apparel. He was given a choice to follow orders, or quit, from his boss. He chose to quit. The only reason he had to leave was because his job was his basis for being at the game. If he had then gone outside and bought a ticket, he could have come back inside and worn his Phillies jacket and held up a sign that said "St. John's = Big Brother" if he so chose. He did not. So fuck him. Rockin' Doc Apr 02 2009 11:14 AM CF - "The Mets should not limit any clothing, accessories etc. unless it is vulgar, obscene, or distasteful in some way. Other teams' apparel obviously does not fit into this category...." I don't know CF, I find a Yankee cap to be rather distasteful. metsguyinmichigan Apr 02 2009 11:21 AM No employer or team should prevent him from wearing the jacket, but that doesn't mean he should wear it. It's like cheering in the press box. If I stood in there cheering for the Mets, no one would say, "Hey, we're not supposed to cheer up here." But it would be like the giant douchebag signal shining brightly in the Gothom City sky. There would be plenty of eye-rolling and snide remarks, because sportswriters like the "holier than thou" thing. Suprisingly, the opposite of cheer-leading is openly accepted. You could sit there all day saying "Delgado is a bum" and the writers would likely praise your for your knowledge. The exception is questioning St. Derek's range or intangibles. That will get you booted. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 02 2009 11:24 AM It doesn't seem plausible that Mets personnel would have gotten so upset about this when at least several dozen folks in Yank gear-- and probably a handful more in Phil-analia-- were also milling about (having seen a bunch of these vinegary fellows in fan photos). It seems a likelier story that department-head guy was a little antsy about St. John's staff provoking adverse reactions-- even if mild-- on a high-visibility day in a facility that wasn't theirs, and did a bad job of standing his ground when pressed by a smartass ("I'll wear it under the Phils jacket-- what's the problem? No, I haven't eaten shit today-- why do you ask?"). ="batmagadanleadoff"]Oh ... and by the way ... shouldn't the thread title be A Matter of Ph**king Principle? Done and done. (Had been thinking of the Utley quote.) metirish Apr 02 2009 12:40 PM How do we explain this to the Iraqis ? Number 6 Apr 02 2009 09:08 PM To me, there are two things we're talking about here. One is the right of this guy's employer, or the Mets, to dictate what he can and can't wear, and the phan's responsibility to comply. I think CF covered this well; they have a right to tell the guy to take his jacket off. He disagreed, and maybe lost some of the high ground with the passive-aggressive "under the jacket" dickishness, but ultimately he took a stand, no matter how dubious it was, and accepted the consequences. Fine. To me, the more important point is less the right of his employer/the Mets to dictate his dress, but whether they should exercise that right. Let's assume, for the moment, that the order did come from the Mets and not St. John's, and that the phan was as otherwise respectful as he makes himself out to be. Is there anyone who believes that, while retaining the right to do so, the Mets should tell him to take the jacket off? Are Met fans really so childish that a Phillies jacket is an unbearable affront? Would we be OK with the Mets thinking we are? Personally, it really chafes me when I see people wearing Yankees, Braves or Phillies gear to games when that team isn't in the park. And while I don't think it's appropriate for the Mets or anyone else to restrict their right to wear that gear, I am very comfortable with my personal right to judge them. This kid's a dick, but let him broadcast that fact in peace. Nymr83 Apr 03 2009 06:16 AM No, I don't think the Mets should exercise that right with regard to an employee of a college baseball team playing at their stadium. but i also dont think they did exercise that right. batmagadanleadoff Apr 03 2009 06:52 AM ="Nymr83"]No, I don't think the Mets should exercise that right with regard to an employee of a college baseball team playing at their stadium. but i also dont think they did exercise that right. Me neither. This matter was probably purely between the student and the university. I'd also bet that the student wasn't being entirely objective when he posted his account, and probably shaded the story somewhat so as to favor him. I don't think that the Mets ever enforced any kind of dress code at Shea concerning opposing teams gear -- in the press box or anywhere else. I assume that nothing will change at Citi Field. Ashie62 Apr 03 2009 09:45 AM Elaine..You cannot wear the Oriloles hat in mr. Steinbrenner's box!

="John Cougar Lunchbucket":24lguc6e]I volunteer to pinch hit for the 35% of these assignments that will go uncompleted.[/quote:24lguc6e] Part of the problem last year was that nobody even signed up for some spots. I did a quick check and there were 3 or 4 series that we went completely unprepared for, plus another 7 where somebody put together an emergency KTE. Not so bad. If you (or anybody else) really wants what's already taken (especially if you really wanted Marlins, Braves, Phillies, etc. -- there are 6 series per each of those teams this year) feel free to speak up and we can split things up. DocTee Apr 02 2009 08:35 AM Livin' in the Bay area, I'd like a Giants series, but can only take the second one (work preempts the first). what say you LWFS? LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 02 2009 11:35 AM ="DocTee":2bpa3090]Livin' in the Bay area, I'd like a Giants series, but can only take the second one (work preempts the first). what say you LWFS?[/quote:2bpa3090] Sounds fine to me. Home to SF over to DocTee, if you please; I'll hold onto the first. Staying out west, I'll also try my hand at razin' Arizona (both series). GYC Apr 02 2009 01:12 PM If anyone wants a KTE on the Phillies, feel free to take some. I don't want to seem like I'm being an ass by hogging them or something. Nymr83 Apr 02 2009 06:42 PM Give me the Cincinatti series right before the all-star break. i couldnt see the chart properly at work this morning Gwreck Apr 09 2009 09:38 PM Seawolf: Educate us on the Marlins. metsguyinmichigan Apr 09 2009 09:59 PM I can take a series. SteveJRogers Apr 09 2009 10:00 PM ="GYC":18ovp8dh]If anyone wants a KTE on the Phillies, feel free to take some. I don't want to seem like I'm being an ass by hogging them or something.[/quote:18ovp8dh] I'll take the Phucking Phillies. Gwreck Apr 10 2009 10:39 AM Steve -- howsabout we give you the @PHI series and we give GYC the vs. PHI series? MGIM -- you already signed up for Tampa. Did you want something else in addition? (We have a few open spots -- Houston, a Cubs series) or if you wanted a series or two for some NL east opponents, that could be arranged too). SteveJRogers Apr 10 2009 11:51 AM No problemo. duan Apr 11 2009 01:48 PM ="metirish":unfrmjri]="duan":unfrmjri]can I do St LOUIS. I promise to do it as long as the mrs doesn't go into labour 5 days earlyl[/quote:unfrmjri] Congrats to you both , certainly we will understand if the KTE is late or if we are informed that it's been written from The Rotunda Hospital...[/quote:unfrmjri] well it'll be the coombe but that's the general picture! Fman99 Apr 18 2009 08:51 PM Can an admin sticky this thread? I almost missed my assignment... TheOldMole Apr 20 2009 01:52 AM Pencil me in for whatever. Frayed Knot Apr 27 2009 07:37 AM Looks like at Wrigley dates in late August plus both Houston series (there in late July and the season ender at Citi) are the only ones still unclaimed. Mole? Lunchbucket? Kong76 May 03 2009 05:43 PM Is this going to be a sticky for the whole season? Edgy DC May 03 2009 05:56 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 03 2009 06:27 PM How about we leave it up until the last four series are claimed? Kong76 May 03 2009 06:21 PM Just being a pita, the KTE's have been excellent this year. OlerudOwned May 04 2009 09:20 AM I'll have something up close to gametime. I've got finals to work around. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr May 05 2009 12:42 PM As I'm a touch absent-minded, I wouldn't mind seeing this as a season-long sticky. Am I in the minority? themetfairy May 05 2009 02:35 PM ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":1zwd8yrh]As I'm a touch absent-minded, I wouldn't mind seeing this as a season-long sticky. Am I in the minority?[/quote:1zwd8yrh] I'd be cool with that. Kong76 May 05 2009 06:21 PM I think the KTE police can just remind people. It's a long season for one thing to dominate the top of the main forum. Are there teams left? I'll even take one to make it go away. Kong76 May 05 2009 06:26 PM I'll take the two Houston series, that leaves the at Wrigley series. (assuming FK was correct a number of posts back) I volunteer to be the KTE police. C'mon, at Wrigley, posters should be jumping from buildings to do the at Wrigley KTE! Swan Swan H May 05 2009 06:35 PM I'll take the @Wrigley series. It will give me a change to mock the preposterous items Chicagoans call snack food, plus there is a chance that Edmonds might re-sign with them and I can shit on his smug grimace a bit. Kong76 May 05 2009 06:39 PM Thanks Swan Swan H May 05 2009 06:42 PM I'll probably sneak the Cubs in there as well. Edgy DC May 11 2009 07:24 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on May 11 2009 07:40 AM Ollie Owned, any Brave New Updates? Looks like all our series are covered unless anyone wants to give an All Star preview. I'll unsticky. DateOpponentKTE AuthorApr 6-9@ CINGwreckApr 10-12@ FLAseawolf17Apr 13-16SDFrayed KnotApr 17-19MILTransMonkApr 21-23@ STLFman99Apr 24-26WASEdgy DCApr 27-29FLAseawolf17May 1-3@ PHISteveJRogersMay 4-5@ ATLOlerudOwnedMay 6-7PHIGYCMay 8-10PITG-FafifMay 11-13ATLOlerudOwnedMay 14-17@ SFLeiterWagnerFasterStrongrMay 18-20@ LADsharpieMay 22-24@ BOSGwreckMay 25-27WASEdgy DCMay 29-31FLAseawolf17Jun 1-4@ PITG-FafifJun 5-7@ WASbmfc1Jun 9-11PHIGYCJun 12-14@ NYYFrayed KnotJun 16-18@ BALGwreckJun 19-21TBmetsguyinmichiganJun 22-25STLduanJun 26-28NYYFman99Jun 29-Jul 1@ MILTransMonkJul 3-5@ PHISteveJRogersJul 7-9LADSharpieJul 10-12CINNymr83Jul 13-15ASBseawolf17Jul 16-19@ ATLOlerudOwnedJul 20-22@ WASbmfc1Jul 24-26@ HOUKong76Jul 27-30COLsmg58Jul 31-Aug 3ARZLeiterWagnerFasterStrongrAug 4-5STLduanAug 6-9@ SDFrayed KnotAug 10-12@ ARZLeiterWagnerFasterStrongrAug 14-17SF DocTeeAug 18-20ATLOlerudOwnedAug 21-24PHIGYCAug 25-27@ FLAseawolf17Aug 28-30@ CHCSwan Swan HSep 1-3@ COLsmg58Sep 4-6CHCFman99Sep 8-10FLAseawolf17Sep 11-13@ PHISteveJRogersSep 15-17@ ATLOlerudOwnedSep 18-20WASEdgy DCSep 21-23ATLOlerudOwnedSep 25-27@ FLAseawolf17Sep 28-30@ WASbmfc1Oct 2-4HOUKong76 seawolf17 May 11 2009 07:30 AM I don't have any series in the middle there. I'll take the ASG. Edgy DC May 11 2009 07:40 AM Egg-celent. Frayed Knot May 14 2009 10:55 AM LWFS, Sharpie, and GWreck up for the road trip Frayed Knot May 25 2009 12:51 PM Edgy & Seawolf up for the homestand GFaFiF & bmfc1 on deck Edgy DC Jun 01 2009 02:11 PM G-FaFiF, I hope your arm is loose because the phone is ringing. Frayed Knot Jun 09 2009 02:32 PM Frayed Knot (ooh, that's me. I almost forgot I took this one) plus GWreck & MGiMichigan need to kick their KTEs in gear for the upcoming series against the bastardized-DH league opponents. Swan Swan H Jun 12 2009 01:51 PM This thread may not be sticky-worthy, but maybe it should be moved to the KTE Archive for easier findage. SteveJRogers Jun 22 2009 03:35 PM Going to be a bit tied up with several issues around that time, so the Independence Day Weekend series is up for grabs. So to the Phillies, I must say SteveJRogers Jun 29 2009 10:16 AM Bump, see last post on previous page. Benjamin Grimm Jul 07 2009 01:57 PM Do we still need KTE's, or is it sufficient to say that they're the team that will score runs, while the Mets are the team that won't? metirish Jul 07 2009 02:36 PM Seo is probably busy doing a Mets KTE over at Dodgers Blues fan forum. John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 07 2009 02:42 PM I think the tough one is tonight's game v Kershaw. I'm looking for Nick Evans to provide the big stick we need. Tomorrow we deal with Kuroda and the return of Ollie Perez (sorry haters, way better than Redding even when Redding's good, then we get Livan against the beatable if ornery Randy Wolf. Yes, I see a sweep. TransMonk Jul 07 2009 03:03 PM Didn't you say that about Milwaukee? sharpie Jul 07 2009 03:23 PM Just back from outta town driving my daughter to Virginia. No KTE but as Ben said, we don't need them. Everything from my first Dodger KTE applies except that Manny Ramirez is back, they are still winning and their sweep of the Mets was the beginning of the end of The Era of Good Feeling (at least with respect to the notion that we could get along without our star players). Vic Sage Jul 07 2009 03:39 PM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":x80ct4uk]I think the tough one is tonight's game v Kershaw. I'm looking for Nick Evans to provide the big stick we need. Tomorrow we deal with Kuroda and the return of Ollie Perez (sorry haters, way better than Redding even when Redding's good, then we get Livan against the beatable if ornery Randy Wolf. Yes, I see a sweep.[/quote:x80ct4uk] Jonny, yer a bright light in the dark night of my Metsian soul. Fman99 Jul 07 2009 07:28 PM ="Vic Sage":iucjv01f]="John Cougar Lunchbucket":iucjv01f]I think the tough one is tonight's game v Kershaw. I'm looking for Nick Evans to provide the big stick we need. Tomorrow we deal with Kuroda and the return of Ollie Perez (sorry haters, way better than Redding even when Redding's good, then we get Livan against the beatable if ornery Randy Wolf. Yes, I see a sweep.[/quote:iucjv01f] Jonny, yer a bright light in the dark night of my Metsian soul.[/quote:iucjv01f] Wow. I tried to conjure up some optimism but all I could muster was another alcohol-themed beverage. Edgy DC Jul 15 2009 01:23 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 16 2009 08:24 AM OlerudOwned, how about them Braves? I hear they have a new outfield. seawolf17 Jul 15 2009 01:36 PM Right, but we know all about him already. We should call Jeff Francoeur and ask him to do a special guest KTE. Edgy DC Jul 15 2009 01:41 PM You, by the way, never turned in your KTASE essay. Frayed Knot Jul 16 2009 07:51 AM 2nd Half Assignments DateOpponentKTE AuthorJul 16-19@ ATLOlerudOwnedJul 20-22@ WASbmfc1Jul 24-26@ HOUKong76Jul 27-30COLsmg58Jul 31-Aug 3ARZLeiterWagnerFasterStrongrAug 4-5STLduanAug 6-9@ SDFrayed KnotAug 10-12@ ARZLeiterWagnerFasterStrongrAug 14-17SF DocTeeAug 18-20ATLOlerudOwnedAug 21-24PHIGYCAug 25-27@ FLAseawolf17Aug 28-30@ CHCSwan Swan HSep 1-3@ COLsmg58Sep 4-6CHCFman99Sep 8-10FLAseawolf17Sep 11-13@ PHISteveJRogersSep 15-17@ ATLOlerudOwnedSep 18-20WASEdgy DCSep 21-23ATLOlerudOwnedSep 25-27@ FLAseawolf17Sep 28-30@ WASbmfc1Oct 2-4HOUKong76 Kong76 Jul 22 2009 05:53 PM If anyone wants to pinch hit in Houston for me, feel free. If I don't see anything by late morning, I'll whip up something during lunch if I can. My time during the weekdays is pretty stretched lately. Rockin' Doc Jul 22 2009 10:14 PM We have seen the enemy and it is us. Kong76 Jul 23 2009 04:07 AM For some reason I was thinking there was a Thursday game ... cool, more time to procrastinate! smg58 Jul 23 2009 11:35 AM I won't get the Rockies post up before Monday, but I should have it up by this time Monday afternoon. Edgy DC Jul 31 2009 10:54 AM LindsayWagnerFasterStronger, you're up. Edgy DC Aug 04 2009 02:54 PM DocTee, do you hear me?

Feel free to volunteer for as many or as few as you'd like. Missed out on a National League East team? I have no doubt that they can be split up - ie. what Edgy and bmfc1 did for the Nationals. Just speak up and say something as to who you'd like.

="Edgy DC":3n5u8y7v]Depends on who "they" are. He seems confused as to whether the order came from Mets staff or St. John's. And what "they" can do and what they should do are two different things.[/quote:3n5u8y7v] I'm not sure it matters whether it was the Mets or St. John's. I don't think it's necessarily unreasonable for the Mets to dictate what's inappropriate attire for the press. And if St. John's or whomever was employing this guy wanted to dictate what was appropriate or not -- also sounds fine to me. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 01:08 AM The St. John's student, himself, doesn't know who's to blame for his ejection. It would bother me if it turned out that the Mets tossed the kid. I would hope that the Mets couldn't dictate dress code to a press pass recipient, at least in the heavy-handed way the dress code (assuming there is one) might have been enforced in this incident. I could see it if the guest thought he was entitled to appear naked, or in one of those notorious Anna Benson get-ups. But over a Phillies jacket? Would the Mets eject Roger Angell if he were to cover a game wearing a Phillies cap while on assignment for The New Yorker? Does a press pass recipient have less rights than an attendee who enters the stadium with a paid ticket? Oh ... and by the way ... shouldn't the thread title be A Matter of Ph**king Principle? Edgy DC Apr 02 2009 05:38 AM Gotta thinkthat if it was a Mets jacket on a St. Joe's student at Citizen's Bank, we'd think he was ill treated. Nymr83 Apr 02 2009 06:12 AM It seems fairly clear from his posting that it was St. Johns, not the New York Mets, who complained about his jacket. And he wasn't kicked out as he claims, by his own words he chose to leave, no security guards in tow. soupcan Apr 02 2009 07:33 AM Stupid story by a stupid kid who can't see the forest for the trees. Risking his job to wear a jacket advertising an entity that gives less than two shits about him or his well-being. Talk about misplaced allegiances. Comments by people who read that story... ]Posted by: CMc62480 | Tuesday, March 31, 2009 at 02:01 PM who has two thumbs and likes to start trouble? this guy............. That guy gets it. ]Posted by: Len | Tuesday, March 31, 2009 at 02:35 PM I would write a letter to the dean of your university. Conduct like that is absolutely unacceptable and should easily be grounds for the dismissal of your department head. Mets fans are such cry babies. I can't wait to invade that stadium and piss on it. Oh, absolutely! Fire the department head! Puh-lease. ]Posted by: Albert | Tuesday, March 31, 2009 at 02:36 PM I hereby nominate you for Phreedom Phighter of the Year. Take no guff from those swine. You are a patriot and a forward thinker. You will go very far in life, son. Continue to fight the good fight. Soldiers in Iraq could take lessons on patriotism from Ole Two Thumbs up there. ]Posted by: sponge-worthy | Tuesday, March 31, 2009 at 03:30 PM I commend you on the way you handled yourself and definitely support what you did. Job or no job, the way they treated and judged you is tantamount to judging you based on ethnicity. I've seen a lot of opposing teams' fans at Eagles games. They all get harassed to a point, but the ones that act like you did are never asked to leave and are respected as loyal fans. Your Mets fan coworkers and Mets fan department head should all be ashamed of themselves for their actions. Considering it wasn't an MLB event at all, Citi, the Mets and all Mets fans should be embarrassed. ]Posted by: Chuck | Tuesday, March 31, 2009 at 03:32 PM Sounds like you have a valid discrimination lawsuit you can threaten the department with. Discrimination Lawsuits! See, now you know how Nelson Mandela felt being locked up in prison for all those years. ]Posted by: will.H | Tuesday, March 31, 2009 at 04:17 PM I was wearing a phillies shirt while shopping for furniture and the guy told me he would give me half off a chair I was looking at if I put on a Mets shirt. You know what I told him, "Go get the shirt." Exactly. John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 02 2009 07:39 AM I would guess his bosses were very concerned about making a good impression in the first day at the park, noticed the jacket was not only drawing the wrong kind of attention but the attention was distracting the guy (how is it he can recount each individual slight and still stay focused on doing his job?) and they asked him to take it off in the best interests of all involved. And Douchebag doesn't have a case for being wronged here. He was made aware of, and accepted, the consequences. metsguyinmichigan Apr 02 2009 07:51 AM If he wore that jacket on that day, he was looking for a confrontation. Unprofessional. G-Fafif Apr 02 2009 08:13 AM Some part of me wants to empathize with the kid, the part that admires his Team First mentality, but honestly, what a douche. You're not there as a fan. You're there as something approximating a professional. Wear the revolting garment to a Mets game you're sitting in the stands for (though in a perfect world, all douches who wear enemy garments would be thrown out of the Mets' park by law; Mets fans in other parks, on the other hand, would roam freely and be treated as sages), not when you're going to work in a job where it's clearly all kinds of bad form. St. John's would be right to tell him to stop being a douche. The Mets shouldn't be bothered one way or the other but as a partisan I'm glad that they are. I also cheered when some MFY fan had his cap tossed from Mezzanine to Loge in 2006. What really irks me is on first glance, it looks like he's posing at Citizens Bank. holychicken Apr 02 2009 08:25 AM ="metsguyinmichigan":3tc6j8qn]If he wore that jacket on that day, he was looking for a confrontation. Unprofessional.[/quote:3tc6j8qn] This. There were a lot of things that shouldn't have happened that day. But it all started with him wearing the jacket when he should have known it was unprofessional and provocative to do so. Edgy DC Apr 02 2009 08:29 AM I do not contest his douchiness --- though he's no more self-absorbed than your typical college student. What scares me is the thought of the St. John's folk seeing the Mets as a fearsome intolerant corporate bullyboy that must be pre-emptively propitated. And when you treat folks like that, they often become like that, and it's a slippery slope leading perhaps to the point where Yankee Stadium isn't the only place where the weekend polezei are making people stay in place during "God Bless America" or else. Douchebags got rights too. Gwreck Apr 02 2009 08:34 AM ="Edgy DC":3475yfro]What scares me is the thought of the St. John's folk seeing the Mets as a fearsome intolerant corporate bullyboy that must be pre-emptively propitated. And when you treat folks like that, they often become like that, and it's a slippery slope leading perhaps to the point where Yankee Stadium isn't the only place where the weekend polezei are making people stay in place during "God Bless America" or else.[/quote:3475yfro] Yeah, I don't see it. Mostly based on that he wasn't a paying customer. Put restrictions on the paying customers and I see a problem. I can't see the Mets placing a reasonable restriction* on what working staff/credentialed press gets to wear as a problem. Really, I'm not sure that the working media really should be wearing team-logo stuff when covering an event. Seems unprofessional. No cheering in the pressbox and all that. *and it indeed was reasonable in the matter at issue. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 08:48 AM The student had a right to want a confrontation, so long as it's the legal kind that is to be reasonably expected in a stadium where fans show up to root for opposing teams, and not a physical confrontation or unreasonably abusive vocal one; otherwise the Mets could rightfully eject the student based upon his unruly behavior rather than on his choice of wardrobe. I have no problem if it turned out that the student was ejected and that St. John's called all the shots. I'm pretty sure that a private university does have the right to institute dress codes for their students. This particular student was also at Citi Field in some sort of employment capacity as well, even if he wasn't being compensated for his assignment -- this also gives St. John's the right to determine what the student ought to have worn. But I think it was wrong if the Mets decided to remove the student. What if the kid wore a KC Royal jersey? Or a Seattle Pilot throwback? Are Dodger unis permitted? A Manny Ramirez jersey? Mike Scioscia throwback? Jackie Robinson jersey? Edgy DC Apr 02 2009 08:52 AM But --- and this comes from his account which you certainly don't have to take a face value --- does St. John's have the right to arbitrarily "institute dress codes" after the fact when they've seen what colors he's sporting? Understand, I think he deserves a shit sandwich for claiming that he offered to compromise by wearing the Johnny's jacket under his uniform. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 09:02 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 02 2009 09:04 AM ="Edgy DC"]But --- and this comes from his account which you certainly don't have to take a face value --- does St. John's have the right to arbitrarily "institute dress codes" after the fact when they've seen what colors he's sporting? I would guess "yes". St. John's has so much leeway here, they could do almost anything. They could, for example, justify their actions on grounds that the Phillie jacket might've attracted enough attention from Met fans so as to prevent the student from being able to properly perform his duties. This would be the function over form rationale. But I think that whether or not the kid was an asshole is irrelevant here. He has the right to be an asshole so long as he doesn't interfere with anybody else's ability to enjoy the game. John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 02 2009 09:02 AM I just think everyone involved was concerned that the headlines from the first game ever at the park read BEAUTIFUL PARK OPENS and not DOUCHE BEATEN TO DEATH The backdrop, I think, is a sad commentary on the state of fan behavior in general (as the Sean Green Number Controversy is). G-Fafif Apr 02 2009 09:04 AM ="Edgy DC":eo1f1f0g]Douchebags got rights too.[/quote:eo1f1f0g] This rule of law is why it's technically considered a crime to beat MFY fans to bloody pulps. Technically. Fman99 Apr 02 2009 09:05 AM Who's got two thumbs and smells like vinegar and water? This guy! batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 09:08 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 02 2009 09:31 AM It cuts both ways. Would anyone here like it if they were ejected from Citizens Bank Park for wearing a Met cap but otherwise behaving like the perfect model citizen bank? Gwreck Apr 02 2009 09:11 AM Hell no, but I'm guessing that the conditions on the back of the ticket permit them to do so (assuming they refund the purchase price of the ticket). This guy wasn't a paying customer, accordingly the rules are different. G-Fafif Apr 02 2009 09:11 AM What I get from that picture is the guy really likes Pepsi. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 09:22 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 02 2009 09:23 AM ="Gwreck":bmmnxytl]This guy wasn't a paying customer, accordingly the rules are different.[/quote:bmmnxytl] Are they? If the student was also considered to be a Met employee at that moment, then I could see the justification. But what about my Roger Angell hypothetical? And what about the complimentary guest tickets that the visiting team is allotted for each game? Does this mean that Brad Lidge's kid can't wear a Phillie cap at Citi Field? TransMonk Apr 02 2009 09:22 AM The similarities between the huge Pepsi "P" and the Phillies "P" is a bit disturbing. metsguyinmichigan Apr 02 2009 09:23 AM Just noticed the writing on the tarp. What the heck is that? I'm assuming it's a giant ad. What does it say? Edgy DC Apr 02 2009 09:23 AM That does it. I'm burning that building down. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 09:24 AM The stadium does remind me of Citizens Bank, in that photograph. G-Fafif Apr 02 2009 09:35 AM ="metsguyinmichigan":1clc7wsc]Just noticed the writing on the tarp. What the heck is that? I'm assuming it's a giant ad. What does it say?[/quote:1clc7wsc] Sports SPDR or something to that effect. They're the sponsor of Mets rain delays. No, I'm not kidding. Gwreck Apr 02 2009 09:49 AM ="batmagadanleadoff":kzvkayl1]="Gwreck":kzvkayl1]This guy wasn't a paying customer, accordingly the rules are different.[/quote:kzvkayl1] Are they? If the student was also considered to be a Met employee at that moment, then I could see the justification. But what about my Roger Angell hypothetical? And what about the complimentary guest tickets that the visiting team is allotted for each game? Does this mean that Brad Lidge's kid can't wear a Phillie cap at Citi Field?[/quote:kzvkayl1] I really think the rules *are* different for the media. If Roger Angell showed up wearing a Phillies hat in the pressbox, I'd be fine with the Mets asking him to remove the hat or leave. Nymr83 Apr 02 2009 09:56 AM ="Gwreck":2wlwkjea]="batmagadanleadoff":2wlwkjea]="Gwreck":2wlwkjea]This guy wasn't a paying customer, accordingly the rules are different.[/quote:2wlwkjea] Are they? If the student was also considered to be a Met employee at that moment, then I could see the justification. But what about my Roger Angell hypothetical? And what about the complimentary guest tickets that the visiting team is allotted for each game? Does this mean that Brad Lidge's kid can't wear a Phillie cap at Citi Field?[/quote:2wlwkjea] I really think the rules *are* different for the media. If Roger Angell showed up wearing a Phillies hat in the pressbox, I'd be fine with the Mets asking him to remove the hat or leave.[/quote:2wlwkjea] as would i. but lets be clear that theres still no evidence that the METS told or asked this kid to do anything. so far it looks like it was all someone from st johns batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 10:00 AM ="Nymr83":f5xc7li3]as would i. but lets be clear that theres still no evidence that the METS told or asked this kid to do anything. so far it looks like it was all someone from st johns[/quote:f5xc7li3] Understood. I assume that we're all posting hypothetically -- under the premise that we don't know for sure if and why the student was ejected. By the way, I dislike the idea that the Mets could impose a dress code in the press box, although they have the right to, if that's their choice. Otherwise, the slope really has slipped; does this mean that the Phillies broadcasters (e.g. Harry Kalas) can't wear Phillie gear? Edgy DC Apr 02 2009 10:08 AM You know, the Warriors just wanted to walk peacefully through the Orphans' territory, but the Orphans insisted they remove their colors. And we know how that turned out. Centerfield Apr 02 2009 10:43 AM Since we're all up on a pedestal in this thread: The Mets should not limit any clothing, accessories etc. unless it is vulgar, obscene, or distasteful in some way. Other teams' apparel obviously does not fit into this category. I wouldn't want to see the Mets make any such limitations in the press box or in the stands. The obvious exception is employees of the organization, who should wear whatever the fuck the Mets tell them to wear. As such, St. John's, or any other employer, be it the Philly newspapers or otherwise, has every right, and should, if they feel it is necessary, to restrict the apparel of any of their employees during company time. That means if your boss tells you to take off the Phillies jacket, take off the Phillies jacket. If your boss gives you a jacket to wear, put the damn thing on. Turning our attention to loser-Fonzie-wannabe-Philly-Fan...he was not removed from CitiField for his apparel. He was given a choice to follow orders, or quit, from his boss. He chose to quit. The only reason he had to leave was because his job was his basis for being at the game. If he had then gone outside and bought a ticket, he could have come back inside and worn his Phillies jacket and held up a sign that said "St. John's = Big Brother" if he so chose. He did not. So fuck him. Rockin' Doc Apr 02 2009 11:14 AM CF - "The Mets should not limit any clothing, accessories etc. unless it is vulgar, obscene, or distasteful in some way. Other teams' apparel obviously does not fit into this category...." I don't know CF, I find a Yankee cap to be rather distasteful. metsguyinmichigan Apr 02 2009 11:21 AM No employer or team should prevent him from wearing the jacket, but that doesn't mean he should wear it. It's like cheering in the press box. If I stood in there cheering for the Mets, no one would say, "Hey, we're not supposed to cheer up here." But it would be like the giant douchebag signal shining brightly in the Gothom City sky. There would be plenty of eye-rolling and snide remarks, because sportswriters like the "holier than thou" thing. Suprisingly, the opposite of cheer-leading is openly accepted. You could sit there all day saying "Delgado is a bum" and the writers would likely praise your for your knowledge. The exception is questioning St. Derek's range or intangibles. That will get you booted. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 02 2009 11:24 AM It doesn't seem plausible that Mets personnel would have gotten so upset about this when at least several dozen folks in Yank gear-- and probably a handful more in Phil-analia-- were also milling about (having seen a bunch of these vinegary fellows in fan photos). It seems a likelier story that department-head guy was a little antsy about St. John's staff provoking adverse reactions-- even if mild-- on a high-visibility day in a facility that wasn't theirs, and did a bad job of standing his ground when pressed by a smartass ("I'll wear it under the Phils jacket-- what's the problem? No, I haven't eaten shit today-- why do you ask?"). ="batmagadanleadoff"]Oh ... and by the way ... shouldn't the thread title be A Matter of Ph**king Principle? Done and done. (Had been thinking of the Utley quote.) metirish Apr 02 2009 12:40 PM How do we explain this to the Iraqis ? Number 6 Apr 02 2009 09:08 PM To me, there are two things we're talking about here. One is the right of this guy's employer, or the Mets, to dictate what he can and can't wear, and the phan's responsibility to comply. I think CF covered this well; they have a right to tell the guy to take his jacket off. He disagreed, and maybe lost some of the high ground with the passive-aggressive "under the jacket" dickishness, but ultimately he took a stand, no matter how dubious it was, and accepted the consequences. Fine. To me, the more important point is less the right of his employer/the Mets to dictate his dress, but whether they should exercise that right. Let's assume, for the moment, that the order did come from the Mets and not St. John's, and that the phan was as otherwise respectful as he makes himself out to be. Is there anyone who believes that, while retaining the right to do so, the Mets should tell him to take the jacket off? Are Met fans really so childish that a Phillies jacket is an unbearable affront? Would we be OK with the Mets thinking we are? Personally, it really chafes me when I see people wearing Yankees, Braves or Phillies gear to games when that team isn't in the park. And while I don't think it's appropriate for the Mets or anyone else to restrict their right to wear that gear, I am very comfortable with my personal right to judge them. This kid's a dick, but let him broadcast that fact in peace. Nymr83 Apr 03 2009 06:16 AM No, I don't think the Mets should exercise that right with regard to an employee of a college baseball team playing at their stadium. but i also dont think they did exercise that right. batmagadanleadoff Apr 03 2009 06:52 AM ="Nymr83"]No, I don't think the Mets should exercise that right with regard to an employee of a college baseball team playing at their stadium. but i also dont think they did exercise that right. Me neither. This matter was probably purely between the student and the university. I'd also bet that the student wasn't being entirely objective when he posted his account, and probably shaded the story somewhat so as to favor him. I don't think that the Mets ever enforced any kind of dress code at Shea concerning opposing teams gear -- in the press box or anywhere else. I assume that nothing will change at Citi Field. Ashie62 Apr 03 2009 09:45 AM Elaine..You cannot wear the Oriloles hat in mr. Steinbrenner's box!

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He was in the building with a press pass, not as a paying customer. They absolutely can tell him what's inappropriate to wear and if he doesn't like it he can shove it. Thank you, please drive through.

The cold front that will move in will give rain showers of the "scattered" nature rather than the "massive storm that would cancel the game" nature. Still not looking particularly nice though.

I think defense and bullpen does in Florida again this year (Hanley Ramirez and Dan Uggla -- worst DP combination in the NL?) but I could see them finishing third or maybe even second.

="G-Fafif":2x5nvt6i]Only pre-season pub any Mets fan needs[/url:2x5nvt6i] is a much better value.[/quote:2x5nvt6i] I saw that at the newstand in the building where I worked several weeks ago and picked it up just because it looked interesting. Wasn't until I started looking at it that I was thinking...wait...I know who (most of) these writers are! Edgy DC Mar 31 2009 07:04 PM I'm guessing "Sporting News" has devolved into a time-tested brand pasted over a magazine that would otherwise be called "Fantasy Sports Player Hot Tip Sheet."

="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":23b11a0m]Any word on the non-tangible stuff? ("Sweet Caroline" vs. "SingAlong" vs Something Else, Hopefully; "Lazy Mary;" organ music, etc.)[/quote:23b11a0m] I booked after the 3rd (?) inning, having been there since they opened the gates at 10:30. Am told Lazy Mary was played. Nothing else significant in the music I could recall. The sound system is impressive, however. metsmarathon Apr 03 2009 10:47 PM ohmigod. ohmigod. ohmigod. ohmigod. ohmigod. best stadium ever. they have kona brewing company in the beergarden! ohmigod. ohmigod. ohmigod. ohmigod. sorry. i've been lusting... um, otherwise, the rest of the place is really nice. long motherf----ing ass lines at the catch of the day not withstanding. it felt like there were some kinks still needing ironing out in the food service department, as the lines were kinda long in the 3rd inning. but by the 4th or 5th, they seemed really short. prolly everybody wanted to be sure they got to their seats, saw the first pitch, first few innings, and then realized they were hungry and wanted to explore. everybody all seemed to have the same idea at the same time, i guess. i friggin loved the stadium overall. my only quibble is that while in line for the Catch of the Day (love that the lobster is wearing a mitt!), the nearest tv screens were pretty far away, above the seats in the modells cove. they had speakers, iirc, carrying sny, but they really could've had a screen up there to allow us to follow the game. 'specially since the line lasted a whole inning! but it was worth if for the shimp po' boy. thye horsradish-mustard sauce on that was superb, and really cleared out my sinuses. can't wait to get back there. and have more longboard lagers. so good. G-Fafif Apr 03 2009 11:02 PM Nice place to visit. And I just might want to live there. In the fan sense. Very odd feeling disoriented in the home park of the Mets. Not a quality issue, just a strangeness issue. Yes, very much a CBP/NP vibe, but you forget that after a bit because this isn't a jaunt down the Turnpike or Amtrak. This is the new house. The rain delay was a good thing. It gave Jason and me an excuse to explore. And it's a fun place for exploration. More nooks and crannies on every level than in the right field corner. I liked the ins and outs of the concourses more than the field itself, though that will grow on me. There was a moment there in the, uh, seventh (who was paying attention?) when we brought home a run on a walk and we were going nuts and the place was maybe 40% full and a couple of friends found us and...at that moment, it felt like home. The food is wonderful. Even the crappy food is wonderful. The pretzels were hot and not made of shoe. The hot dogs weren't dug up from under a dumpster. The new food kicked ass. Chicken quesadillas? Daruma? Both on the mark. Carvel a little stiff, but it's April 3. I was more impressed that the Carvel cashier was friendly and able to make change without me coming behind the counter as was the case in past seasons. Wish we could see more of the world from our seats, but when you get up and wander you feel closer to the community and the city. From one end of the stadium (or park or field) you can almost reach out and touch the U-Haul sign. You have a great angle on the Unisphere. The Empire State Building seems nearby, not just from the skyline logo. But I don't like the feeling of being enveloped all that much. Shea of course looms in the consciousness, as in "they do this here so well -- remember how they used to?" It's the way you'd speak of that silly cat who missed the box or that car that ka-chunked along. The annoyances are now fond memories. Shea doesn't ascend to sainthood. Its flaws stand out by comparison, but its flaws are our history now. The Dodger thing is only in spots. I could do without the Ebbets Club if there's not going to be a Polo Lounge, but ah, who cares really? More Mets would be nice, not that there's none. I still have to figure out where to look at scoreboards and stuff. I have no idea how this will all translate in the regular season. It was just a good feeling to find my way in. Then I was a stranger. When we exited the Rotunda at the end of the night, it felt kind of familiar. I'm a little scattered right now, but I liked it. So will you. Spacemans Bong Apr 04 2009 03:59 AM Bob Murphy Field was better. themetfairy Apr 04 2009 05:54 AM The pretzels were actually ready? And hot? G-Fafif Apr 04 2009 06:45 AM ="themetfairy":3b9jp3z9]The pretzels were actually ready? And hot?[/quote:3b9jp3z9] An across-the-board success. The ones sold in the stands were longer, kind of compressed. Very tempting for a second go-round. The one I had was from an unbusy stand. Smaller than the Shea variety but also edible. SteveJRogers Apr 04 2009 12:14 PM Didn't feel "into" taking too many shots last night, most due to the crowd and weather. Ah well, did take some nice shots There used to be a ballpark here: Arthur Ashe Stadium as you've never seen it before! Speaking of shots the paying customer really couldn't get at Shea. Directly behind the Right Fielder! The overhang in right You know, this really IS a crazy setup with the bullpens I still want to know where, and when I can update this pic! SteveJRogers Apr 04 2009 12:22 PM Retired numbers View from the Promenade metsguyinmichigan Apr 04 2009 12:38 PM Nice shots, Steve! Kong76 Apr 04 2009 12:43 PM My boy Jeter has a bunch of these. (the devil made me post it) metirish Apr 04 2009 12:45 PM The bullpens do look odd even by todays standards which themselves seem odd to me. They had a shot last night and the visitors bullpen is only slightly higher than the home bullpen in front of it . The Boston players looked like they were in holding pens not unlike those you would see in Gitmo staring out through the wire mesh separating the bullpens. Fman99 Apr 04 2009 01:12 PM ="SteveJRogers"]Retired numbers Nice pics Steve. I like seeing that the "Shea" baseball is carried over to the new park. G -- does this mean a revision to the FAFIF T-shirt is in the works? OlerudOwned Apr 04 2009 01:13 PM Did they dump the pinstripes on the retired numbers, or are they just too faint to be seen in those pictures? If we ever get a player with the last name Shea, would he have to change it? SteveJRogers Apr 04 2009 01:20 PM ="OlerudOwned":1xerg8vh]Did they dump the pinstripes on the retired numbers, or are they just too faint to be seen in those pictures? If we ever get a player with the last name Shea, would he have to change it?[/quote:1xerg8vh] Faint, and that was taken from the opposite side of the stadium with a zoom lenses that is quite basic. A Boy Named Seo Apr 04 2009 01:58 PM Nice pix, Steve. apmorris Apr 04 2009 02:18 PM Thanks for the pics! risen. G-Fafif Apr 04 2009 02:59 PM First impressions appraisal here[/url:gkvynbco]. OlerudOwned Apr 04 2009 05:20 PM ="SteveJRogers":139p9rfj]="OlerudOwned":139p9rfj]Did they dump the pinstripes on the retired numbers, or are they just too faint to be seen in those pictures? If we ever get a player with the last name Shea, would he have to change it?[/quote:139p9rfj] Faint, and that was taken from the opposite side of the stadium with a zoom lenses that is quite basic.[/quote:139p9rfj] Good to know, thanks. SteveJRogers Apr 04 2009 05:32 PM FWIW, they sold the ones that hung in Shea Stadium as part of the MeiGrey auction. Kind of strange that they made complete new ones that look EXACTLY like the ones that has been at Shea since 1998! When the Mets added the black shadowdrops to the uniforms, the black was added to the retired numbers. One would think, new place, eh lets have a new design for the retired number signage. OlerudOwned Apr 04 2009 06:04 PM Oh, dang, are there still dropshadows on these too, then? Retired numbers should be in the style they wore during their careers, not whatever the club wears now. SteveJRogers Apr 04 2009 06:07 PM ="OlerudOwned":255306uu]Oh, dang, are there still dropshadows on these too, then? Retired numbers should be in the style they wore during their careers, not whatever the club wears now.[/quote:255306uu] ITA. It should be the way it is in my avatar. metsmarathon Apr 04 2009 09:22 PM LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 04 2009 11:28 PM Was in 105-- field-level, just foul of the RF pole-- today. A little brain-scattered right now, but a few impressions: -- The tacos are indeed all that and several cups of fresh salsa (add the "open kitchen" thing being prominently featured in our ballpark to the miles-long list of pleasantly disorienting new CitiFeatures). You'll want the 9.75 sampler thingy. -- Times to hit Shake Shack: Well before gametime, or midgame. Any other time during a weekend game seems like it'll lose you an inning or two. (Those who've never been to Madison Square Park: You do need to have one; whatever G-d you worship, he/she/it smiles on these beef patties.) -- Hidden bonus souvenir: Mets Store bags. Handsome, sturdy reusables... perfect for a run to the market for Nathan's or J.R. Watkins. -- The ushers/greeters are indeed disarmingly polite... if not quite ready for primetime (got 1-2 iffy answers in response to "where's that thing again"-type queries). metsmarathon Apr 05 2009 03:12 PM i took some pictures of my own at citi... a beautiful day for a ball game. fans walking on the fanwalk. my sneakers look filthy! the new apple is big and shiny. it might not get much use this year... i'm probably too old to play here. i need to get me some kids... the retired numbers lets play ball! i love this crazy nook thing. i can't wait to see jose rattle a few balls around in there. this bridge is cool too. here it is during the rain delay. this shot, of the scoreboard, is one of my favoriter pictures that i took that day. the wait at the catch of the day was worth it for the shrimp po'boy. yum! frankie enters the game Edgy DC Apr 05 2009 03:34 PM Looks like they went seriously overboard with the wall height changes. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 05 2009 03:47 PM ="Edgy DC":3bfi37b3]Looks like they went seriously overboard with the wall height changes.[/quote:3bfi37b3] Tatis smacked the top of the wall twice on balls that would've been out in something like 90 percent of the majors' parks. Lowrie's HR was hit a ton, and still skin-of-the-teethed it out in left-center. The difficulties of making the playoffs aside, it'll still be REAL tough to squeeze a righty-hitting MVP offensive player out of this joint. Benjamin Grimm Apr 05 2009 03:53 PM Well, it's not like Shea had a whole bunch of them either. Maybe instead we'll get an extra Cy Young or two. themetfairy Apr 05 2009 03:55 PM Nice shots marathon MK and I were there today for the batting practice. This is MK on the LIRR platform - We figured we would visit the Jackie Robinson Rotunda today so that we won't have to fight the crowds in there during the season. The obligatory Shake Shack visit. Yes I'm still on Weight Watchers, but MK let me have a couple of bites of his burger and some sips of his shake. Now my curiosity has been satisfied, at a fraction of the calorie count. This garbage can in the Fan Fest area amused me - The remains of the Shea. MK said that Shea will live on forever in the souls and homes of Mets fans everywhere. Speaking of Shea, we had the chance to visit the old Home Run Apple. I don't care how corny it is - I love that thing! We enjoyed the visit - it was a good opportunity for us to acclimate ourselves to the new digs. metsguyinmichigan Apr 05 2009 04:00 PM Beautiful! And the stadium shots are nice, too! themetfairy Apr 05 2009 04:07 PM LOL - thanks MFS62 Apr 05 2009 04:53 PM Memo to staff: When the Yanks come to play the Mets this year, protect those garbage cans from Paul O'Neill. He'd probably try to kick them, thinking they're a water cooler. Later metsmarathon Apr 05 2009 05:39 PM ="Edgy DC":3so2bhzo]Looks like they went seriously overboard with the wall height changes.[/quote:3so2bhzo] the one too many is the little bit in straight away center feild that jumps back to 16' or so at the base of the apple. i mean, jeez, its hard enough to hit it there already! soupcan Apr 05 2009 07:14 PM We went on Saturday. The place is really great. It is definitely a bit disconcerting to see the Mets in their home whites in a completely different ballpark. Realizing that this new place with the high outfield fences, enclosed centerfield and green seats is the new home is odd. The food as has been said is so much better than I'm used to having while watching a Mets game. Shake Shack burgers are 2 die 4. There is a place sort of near us in Bethel. CT called The Sycamore which has burgers very similar. I try to get to there a few times a year simply for their 'Dagwood'. No need to do that anymore since I'll be getting my burger fix at good ole City Field (see what I did there?). The game was sold out but there were empty seats everywhere because everyone was walking around checkin' out the new digs. Made it hard to walk around even with the wide concourses. I'm guessing it will be about mid-season before that calms down. The only criticisms I had is that concourse celings are low and they could be lit better. Other than that, its really, really nice. I agree that the outfield walls are high but I think eventually we will all get used to it and adopt the mantra that The City is indeed a pitcher-friendly park and take some pride in that. Edgy DC Apr 05 2009 07:59 PM ="soupcan"] That restaurant makes me feel hostile. I guess I just have to tell myself that those swells are paying for Wright's next extension. But man. soupcan Apr 06 2009 06:30 AM ="Edgy DC"]That restaurant makes me feel hostile. I guess I just have to tell myself that those swells are paying for Wright's next extension. But man. Not just a 'restaurant' it's a 'club'. The Acela Club. And if that doesn't tighten your colon even more - its an exclusive club, open only to holders of tickets in certain areas of the park. As a matter of fact that's another thing about the park that I didn't particularly care for - there are several 'clubs' within the place that cater to only ticketholders of certain sections. Granted - Everyone who has a tcket has a club that will accomodate them (I think) - whether it be on the field level or the Promenade (upper deck) level, but still. Walking by the club entrances and knowing that you are not allowed access to that particular one is a bit of a downer. And I don't know this for sure but I'd guess that the Promenade level club somehow isn't as nice as the the field-level (Ebbets Club maybe?) club. metsmarathon Apr 06 2009 07:07 AM yeah, i always used to like how when i had upper deck seats at shea, i could always come down to the field level any time i wanted and just mill around down there. oh, wait... soupcan Apr 06 2009 07:38 AM No, that's nice that you can do that - and I know that the Diamond Club was only open to ceratin ticketholders as well. My point was more that its more obvious that certain ticketholdres aren't permitted in certain places is all. At least it was more obvious to me. metirish Apr 06 2009 07:44 AM When Burkhardt was in The Acela Club I think Saturday he mentioned that you needed reservations to get in. soupcan Apr 06 2009 08:01 AM ="metirish":10v2x56u]When Burkhardt was in The Acela Club I think Saturday he mentioned that you needed reservations to get in.[/quote:10v2x56u] But even if you have reservations, your ticket has to say 'Admit One To Acela Club' John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 06 2009 08:06 AM Hey Soup, I talked to the restaurateur who is opening the place and came away with the impression that although policy errs on the safe side especially at launching time, if you asked the right people nicely they'd probably accommodate you. soupcan Apr 06 2009 08:08 AM Well then - there you go. seawolf17 Apr 06 2009 08:18 AM We were there for the workout yesterday. I enjoyed it; I think I'm over Shea. Two negatives, I thought -- the navigation was difficult (although I'm sure that'll go away once I'm familiar with the place), and it was way, way too fucking loud. Seemed like everything and everyone was on full volume. Maybe that'll be better in game situations, where the music isn't going to be blasting the whole time, but it was a major turnoff yesterday. It took me a full hour to relax and enjoy myself, because I spent so much time shouting to Ms. Wolf and MiniWolf to be heard. A few photeaux. First, MiniWolf mourns the loss of Shea: Taking his cuts at Kiddie Field: Playing the outfield, like his dad. Notice his dad in centerfield, talking with a couple of other Poolers who were on the scene: metirish Apr 06 2009 08:20 AM ="soupcan":e6xl82n7]="metirish":e6xl82n7]When Burkhardt was in The Acela Club I think Saturday he mentioned that you needed reservations to get in.[/quote:e6xl82n7] But even if you have reservations, your ticket has to say 'Admit One To Acela Club'[/quote:e6xl82n7] I suppose if I called to make a reservation they would ask if I had the ticket, but in any time especially these tough times that doesn't seem like a smart business plan for the owner of the restaurant. soupcan Apr 06 2009 08:21 AM Damn that kid grew up fast. I totally agree about the noise, although the sound system is MUCH better than it was at Shea. Edgy DC Apr 06 2009 08:25 AM Edited 3 time(s), most recently on Apr 06 2009 08:26 AM wolf: So I had this great house until the neighbors put in this damn whiffleball monstrosity. And now soupcan says... KC: Yeah, blahblahblah. Get off the field. There's a game goin' on. HahnSolo Apr 06 2009 08:25 AM One thing I don't "get" from the place is the bridge motif. I can't understand why it was so important to do it. I tried to explain it to my wife and she was like, "I totally don't see NYC bridges." Seawolf, how does the wiffle ball thing work? Is it free? A wait your turn thing? My son is already angling to hit that first when we go next week. Edgy DC Apr 06 2009 08:28 AM It would make more sense if it was a suspension bridge. batmagadanleadoff Apr 06 2009 08:31 AM To those who already went to Citi Field for any of the exhibition games, what were the views like from your seats? Is it really true that every seat is a good one? seawolf17 Apr 06 2009 08:38 AM ="batmagadanleadoff":1tq93prv]To those who already went to Citi Field for any of the exhibition games, what were the views like from your seats? Is it really true that every seat is a good one?[/quote:1tq93prv] We only really "sat" for any length of time in the 330s, out in left field, second tier up, just to the home-plate side of the glass-windowed restaurant. I thought the view was great, but you completely lose the left-field corner, right under you. Didn't bother me too much, because there were plenty of places at Shea where you'd lose a corner also. ="HahnSolo":1tq93prv]One thing I don't "get" from the place is the bridge motif. I can't understand why it was so important to do it. I tried to explain it to my wife and she was like, "I totally don't see NYC bridges." Seawolf, how does the wiffle ball thing work? Is it free? A wait your turn thing? My son is already angling to hit that first when we go next week.[/quote:1tq93prv] I agree on the bridge thing. I think if you're going to go bridge, you have to go Brooklyn Bridge, or a suspension bridge -- something that's really distinct. Or, say, the BRIDGE THAT'S IN THE TEAM'S LOGO. Call me crazy, but doing the logo bridge in right-center field would have kicked ass. The wiffle ball thing is free, but the line was monstrous yesterday. I don't put too much credence into yesterday's lines, because the majority of folks were on the concourse, not at their seats. Probably better during a regular game, I'd think. For yesterday, the line snaked around Kiddie Field, and when you got up there, you (the kid) went into left field, then center, then right, then you got your AB, and you got anywhere between three and six swings, depending on if you were a toddler who was just up there hacking (six) or a teenager who was really to big for it (three), then you got to run the bases. So you got four "at-bats" in total to run around. MiniWolf was beyond thrilled. soupcan Apr 06 2009 08:47 AM ="HahnSolo":9zu9g7v4]One thing I don't "get" from the place is the bridge motif. I can't understand why it was so important to do it. I tried to explain it to my wife and she was like, "I totally don't see NYC bridges." [/quote:9zu9g7v4] The boroughs are all connected by bridges. Its not a stretch. ="Edgy DC":9zu9g7v4]It would make more sense if it was a suspension bridge.[/quote:9zu9g7v4] Agreed. metirish Apr 06 2009 09:07 AM I have a silly question. Are these restaurants open on off days and days the Mets are on the road? themetfairy Apr 06 2009 10:05 AM batmag - I was in the Promenade, and the view from my seat was nice. Analogous to my old Mezz seats, I think. I'll know for sure once the season starts and I'm actually focusing on a game or two. Agreed about the noise level, especially when Chris Carlin was yelling into the mike. I never thought much of him before, but after yesterday I hat him. SteveJRogers Apr 06 2009 10:24 AM ="soupcan":3ko0a4i5]Granted - Everyone who has a tcket has a club that will accomodate them (I think) - whether it be on the field level or the Promenade (upper deck) level, but still. Walking by the club entrances and knowing that you are not allowed access to that particular one is a bit of a downer. And I don't know this for sure but I'd guess that the Promenade level club somehow isn't as nice as the the field-level (Ebbets Club maybe?) club.[/quote:3ko0a4i5] Actually, you have to pay a bit extra for the club pass. Don't know how much more, but from what I gathered, it was substantial. Gwreck Apr 07 2009 09:24 AM The access to the various clubs is based on your seats. If you're seated in the "Promenade Club" seats, you get access to the Promenade Club. If you're in the "Ebbets Club" seats, you get access to the Ebbets Club. If you're in the "Delta Club" seats, you get access to the Delta Club. If you're in the "Caesar's Club" seats, you get access to the Caesar's Club. The restaurant in left field, the "Acela Club," is open to Metropolitan Box, Field Box, Ebbets Club Gold, and Delta Club Platinum and Gold ticket holders. holychicken Apr 07 2009 09:30 AM ="batmagadanleadoff":357bumo9]To those who already went to Citi Field for any of the exhibition games, what were the views like from your seats? Is it really true that every seat is a good one?[/quote:357bumo9] My experience is that all the seats I saw (and I went around to most parts of the stadium) felt very close to the infield and had a good view of the infield. However, the draw back to this is a lot of the seats outside the infield lose a bit of a corner of the outfield AND if you are in a covered seat, you lose views upward. Like sitting in the Mezz in Shea, you really only can see where a pop fly is going by watching the fielders. But, overall, the view of the field is MUCH better, especially for the type of seats I buy. Farmer Ted Apr 07 2009 10:27 AM There's an Acela Club? As in the amtrak train? Let me get this straight. Bankrupt bank has naming rights the stadium and a money-bleeding rail line sponsors the A-list dining area? LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 07 2009 02:04 PM ="Farmer Ted":1wt09uid]There's an Acela Club? As in the amtrak train? Let me get this straight. Bankrupt bank has naming rights the stadium and a money-bleeding rail line sponsors the A-list dining area?[/quote:1wt09uid] That's nothing... wait until you hear who's sponsoring the "Fair and Balanced" no-flush urinals. themetfairy Apr 07 2009 05:46 PM We stopped by today en route to Long Island. D-Dad checked out tailgating spots, and we all visited our brick. Kong76 Apr 07 2009 06:24 PM I've been hesitant to whine here about it, but my front row promenade seats kinda suck. The railing sucks and the staircase with glass around it that is right in the same place as home plate sucks. It will suck even more when there are people on it all game. I called to try and move and the only thing they'd give me was like the next to last section of the outfield in row 13 and was reminded that upgrading year after year from there would be harder than from my crappy seats prolly. It's only a Sunday plan, and I can shift around and carpetbag, and watch from other areas, and the tickets aren't all that expensive ... but I feel gypped especially since on a whole the rest of the place is just so damn nice. seawolf17 Apr 07 2009 06:31 PM Hey, nothing wrong with bitching about it. Ultimately, though, you're probably screwed, because if you want to give up those seats, there are probably plenty of folks who would take them from you next year. The Mets -- and the Yankees -- knew they had us all over a barrel with these stadia; if we wanted to get in, we'd have to pay the price. I hate to say that Mike Francesa is right, but in this case, he is; the only recourse we have is with our wallets. If we think ticket prices are too high, or the views suck... then we don't buy the tickets. (They've priced me out, and that's fine; maybe we go to a game, but more likely we don't.) Kong76 Apr 07 2009 07:00 PM I'm more hesitant to whine about it more because I posted how excited I was to be in row one. I sat in row six with a poster in the same section and those seats are fine. They weren't the best available when I got mine days before they could log on and renew their Sunday plan if theirs are better. Who's Mike Francessa, where does he post? As for high ticket prices, my tickets are much cheaper this year than last and location is fine ... if I wasn't in row one. MFS62 Apr 07 2009 07:12 PM ="Kong76":3ru6ijum]I'm more hesitant to whine about it more because I posted how excited I was to be in row one. I sat in row six with a poster in the same section and those seats are fine. They weren't the best available when I got mine days before they could log on and renew their Sunday plan if theirs are better. Who's Mike Francessa, where does he post? As for high ticket prices, my tickets are much cheaper this year than last and location is fine ... if I wasn't in row one.[/quote:3ru6ijum] Well, if he had them, I'm sure Bob Uecker would exchange yours for his in the very last row. Later Rockin' Doc Apr 07 2009 07:39 PM KC, thanks for the excuse to post a classic beer commercial. MFS62, thanks for the perfect lead in. MFS62 Apr 07 2009 07:55 PM Doc, All I see is a big white rectangle. Later themetfairy Apr 07 2009 07:58 PM I see the Uecker ad, Doc. I just showed it to MK - he had never seen it before. Thanks. Rockin' Doc Apr 08 2009 05:23 AM MFS62 -"Doc, All I see is a big white rectangle." You wouldn't believe how many times I've heard that line before. Kong76 Apr 08 2009 05:38 AM Close your eyes and walk slowly towards the white rectangle.

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Ruh-oh. Rain forecast for Sunday and Monday in Cincy, then turning colder with light snow Tuesday. 50% chance on Monday, per Weather.com. National Weather Service doesn't even project that far out.

They had the patch for sale in the team store as well. Picked one up for myself. Got a new jersey for this season (it had no patch) but am thinking about having the good one sewn on where the Domino's patch would have been.

="batmagadanleadoff"] when he built a Mets Stadium in the image of Ebbets Field and then decided to tack on a rotunda, -- one of its most prominent features -- in honor of a Dodger. You've got things a little mixed up. The rotunda wasn't tacked on; it was deliberately planned to be the part of the stadium that is built in the image of Ebbets Field. Nowhere else in the park is reminiscent of Ebbets. Yes, Robinson was a Dodger. A perfunctory look inside the rotunda indicates that Robinson is being honored for much more than that. ]A Mets stadium is not the right place to honor a Dodger on a permanent basis -- any Dodger. Sorry, this Dodger's special.

Went to the St. John's/Georgetown game today. Rotunda looks great and is a worthy tribute. The Mets history banners on the outside of the park in left field are exceptionally well done and run chronologically from Casey to a picture of Johan tipping his cap on September 27, 2008. Perfect. Unfortunately, there is no other discernable reference to Mets history inside the park. No sign of the WS trophies or the Mets Hall of Fame. Retired numbers and postseason flags are not up. There appeared to be some space in right field (above the space that's now known as the "Modell's Clubhouse") which could possibly be a place for either. Or it could be for a forthcoming Modell's ad. (Granted, the Mets don't play in the park for another week -- and the first game that counts is in two weeks -- so they could still be working on this). The food options are amazing as expected. Each stand only had a limited menu today but the full menus are great. I can start by highly recommending the steak tacos at the Taqueria in centerfield. $7.50 for two generously sized tacos (plenty of meat). Delicious, too. I have major issues with the scoreboards. a. The out-of-town scoreboard looks great but has a fatal flaw. It does not indicate which team is batting. The indicators of how many outs there are and how many runs are on base are great. But that information is totally irrelevant unless the board indicates who's batting. Hopefully this was a feature that was simply not working today... ...because if it's missing from the board, they'll need to fix it IMMEDIATELY. b. The LCD ribbon board that runs around the bottom of the promenade level needs to have more information. It has the score on the left edge, and has batter/ball/strike/out and clock on the right edge. The rest of the board was filled with "welcome to Citi Field" graphics. I do not like that the ribbon board had colored "dots" to represent the number of balls, strikes or outs. Just put the numerical digit up, thanks. The ribbon board needs to include the pitch count and pitch speed information. Yes, this info is present on the RF board -- but since the seats angle towards homeplate, much of the seating down the line would have to turn between 90 and 180 degrees to see the RF board. With all that space, they certainly could provide that info. I am also not a fan of the RF board alternating between the pitch count and the pitch speed. Both should be up there at the same time.

What exactly is wrong with his name? He's Francisco Rodriguez. The two extra letters aren't a problem.

Mine are gone...thanks for playing.

I gave away one pair already but it turns out I have another as well. So feel free to send a note if you'd like to go.