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Sure, why not. Don't know if this makes Green or Figueroa the primary setup man, but whatever. Given the state of the season, I'm all for some experimentation.

="John Cougar Lunchbucket"]I think he's out for the year. Speculation is the Mets could nontender him this winter so it could be auf wiedersehen Seriously? I haven't seen any updated medical reports on him recently but that seems a bit rash, no? He's not exactly an expensive player ($2.6 M this year, and if they go back to arbitration he's not going to get more than the minimum raise).

And so we go with Livan again? Ok, I guess. The season's lost anyway. But in the absence of prospects who would benefit from getting MLB experience, I'm not exactly opposed to skipping Livan next time.

Just a top-5 ugly game this year. How about giving Elmer Dessens a start next time around?

="Farmer Ted":397w8b6e]I'm thinking Livan knocks it dead or he's dead.[/quote:397w8b6e] Problem is a lack of alternatives. Unless we want to go back to Redding or Figueroa. Vic Sage Aug 17 2009 03:16 PM i put the over/under on that lineup at 3 runs. Make that 2 runs. I mean 1 run. yeah, 1 run... and i'll take the under. Nymr83 Aug 17 2009 03:41 PM ="Gwreck":38t6ptt0]="Farmer Ted":38t6ptt0]I'm thinking Livan knocks it dead or he's dead.[/quote:38t6ptt0] Problem is a lack of alternatives. Unless we want to go back to Redding or Figueroa.[/quote:38t6ptt0] theres Dillon Gee Edgy DC Aug 17 2009 05:04 PM I'm fine with Figgy. Kong76 Aug 17 2009 05:16 PM I trust you mean to finish up the season if needed. metsguyinmichigan Aug 17 2009 06:22 PM Get a run back -- and give it right back again..... metirish Aug 17 2009 06:34 PM I don't think Keith has a clue what he is talking about tonight , trying to wing it talking about the 97 Marlins team , not good. Kong76 Aug 17 2009 06:38 PM It was kind of funny when Gary listed Colorado as a road trip destination and then Keith chimed in about Denver too. He's eccentric lol. themetfairy Aug 17 2009 06:52 PM Keith's grudging respect for Murphy at first is significant. Meanwhile, it's 6-1 Giants in the 6th. Ugh. metirish Aug 17 2009 06:55 PM Livan probably done with.....I think Keith may have erred when talking about Sullivan and saying that he is really more of a corner outfielder and not a CF as he is playing there tonight....I think he said it not knowing that CF is in fact his position as it were...not that it matters a jot . LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 17 2009 06:57 PM 6 runs, 12 baserunners in 5 1/3 innings. Maybe it's the heat, but I can't quite tell whether that was a good Livan start or a bad one. Frayed Knot Aug 17 2009 06:58 PM Meanwhile, 3 of our (scant few) baserunners have been erased. Ashie62 Aug 17 2009 07:30 PM Goodbye Cora..you served us well MFS62 Aug 17 2009 07:42 PM ="Ashie62":jnm4o04x]Goodbye Cora..you served us well[/quote:jnm4o04x] Please 'splain, Lucy. I'm at work and not watching the game. What happened? Later themetfairy Aug 17 2009 07:51 PM There won't be much in the way of Schaefer suds awarded for this one. Frayed Knot Aug 17 2009 07:59 PM ="MFS62":268edg6n]="Ashie62":268edg6n]Goodbye Cora..you served us well[/quote:268edg6n] Please 'splain, Lucy. I'm at work and not watching the game. What happened?[/quote:268edg6n] Will have surgery on the torn ligaments in [u:268edg6n]both[/u:268edg6n] thumbs and is done for the season. Surgeries will be done at separate times - I guess so he doesn't have casts on both at the same time and be helplessly klutzly for weeks on end. themetfairy Aug 17 2009 07:59 PM This one is finally put out of our misery. What a fucking lackluster performance from these guys. Fman99 Aug 17 2009 08:48 PM ="Frayed Knot":1yqbark2]="MFS62":1yqbark2]="Ashie62":1yqbark2]Goodbye Cora..you served us well[/quote:1yqbark2] Please 'splain, Lucy. I'm at work and not watching the game. What happened?[/quote:1yqbark2] Will have surgery on the torn ligaments in [u:1yqbark2]both[/u:1yqbark2] thumbs and is done for the season. Surgeries will be done at separate times - I guess so he doesn't have casts on both at the same time and be helplessly klutzly for weeks on end.[/quote:1yqbark2] Beats trying to wipe your ass with your foot. Trust me on this one. MFS62 Aug 17 2009 09:22 PM ="Fman99":2fwzd1h1] Beats trying to wipe your ass with your foot. Trust me on this one.[/quote:2fwzd1h1] Thank you for that Kodak moment. Please spare us a link. Later John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 17 2009 09:42 PM Was unable to give away my ticket but crashed the Greg-and-Jason gathering and later had a Gwreck encounter. The remaining fans in the 9th, led by us I think, had a good AN-DY GREEN cheer happening. I had no idea how Sully was out by so much in the first, I mean, looked like another bad send by Razor by the time it finished but I thouight he'd have made it. Little bit of bad luck on the DPs, but we sure did a little with as many hits, walks and errors they gave us in the first 4-5 innings. Redding has been a complete disaster this year. Frayed Knot Aug 17 2009 09:51 PM I think Sully's one of those guys who - while not slow exactly - just isn't as fast as he looks like he should be. I didn't mind that send by Razor (1 out, we're not going to score being passive, etc.) but Rowand fielded that ball pretty shallow and made a good throw. Redding was a bit unlucky at first - a lot of bleeders and seeing eye hits - but then, after the damage had already started, he started getting hit hard and the carnage was in full force. Several of those DPs shouldn't have happened. Sheff mis-read the shit out of that one fly ball and Francoeur needed to freeze on the liner. Gwreck Aug 17 2009 10:09 PM Just a top-5 ugly game this year. How about giving Elmer Dessens a start next time around? MFS62 Aug 17 2009 10:22 PM ="Gwreck":34qetejl] How about giving Elmer Dessens a start next time around?[/quote:34qetejl] How about not? Later Gwreck Aug 17 2009 10:37 PM And so we go with Livan again? Ok, I guess. The season's lost anyway. But in the absence of prospects who would benefit from getting MLB experience, I'm not exactly opposed to skipping Livan next time. MFS62 Aug 18 2009 07:59 AM ="Gwreck":2z6al8a7]And so we go with Livan again? Ok, I guess. The season's lost anyway. But in the absence of prospects who would benefit from getting MLB experience, I'm not exactly opposed to skipping Livan next time.[/quote:2z6al8a7] I agree, but in the absence of such a prospect, I'd rather give the start to Figueroa insted of Dessens. Later Benjamin Grimm Aug 18 2009 08:05 AM Does anyone know if John Maine is still alive? John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 18 2009 08:20 AM I think he's out for the year. Speculation is the Mets could nontender him this winter so it could be auf wiedersehen. Irish got me all excited for the new season of PR, sorry. Benjamin Grimm Aug 18 2009 08:22 AM I developed a fondness for German while I was on vacation, so no need to apologize! I think Maine's past is far better than his future; a non-tender wouldn't trouble me in the least. Should be an interesting winter. (I think it will also be a frustrating one.) metirish Aug 18 2009 08:29 AM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket"]I think he's out for the year. Speculation is the Mets could nontender him this winter so it could be auf wiedersehen. Irish got me all excited for the new season of PR, sorry. I'm looking forward to it , just need to find where the Lifetime channel is on my dial.... this didn't make for good reading in the News the other day Project Runway Edgy DC Aug 18 2009 08:31 AM Could you guys get a private thread or something? Thanks! metirish Aug 18 2009 08:36 AM ="Edgy DC"]Could you guys get a private thread or something? Thanks! not every man can pull off red pants , I commend you on that ...... Gwreck Aug 18 2009 11:35 AM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket"]I think he's out for the year. Speculation is the Mets could nontender him this winter so it could be auf wiedersehen Seriously? I haven't seen any updated medical reports on him recently but that seems a bit rash, no? He's not exactly an expensive player ($2.6 M this year, and if they go back to arbitration he's not going to get more than the minimum raise). John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 18 2009 12:00 PM I dunno. He's been unreliable about as long as he's been reliable for us by now. I forget where I saw the nontender speculation (Rubin, prolly) but I guess we should prepare for it. Boneyard is full of once-promising guys with bad shoulders.

Also Fernando Martinez (although in fairness it was time for his annual injury anyway). I think it's time to preemptively put Johan on the DL. Or at least keep him wrapped in bubble wrap when he's not on the field.

Melvin Mora's the only player from that team who's still an active MLB player. (I guess Glendon Rusch -- 1 appearance for the Mets in '99) also counts.

="bmfc1":94fjhprc]Tweeted picture: http://twitpic.com/e5jpl[/quote:94fjhprc] Nice picture. And nice seats, too. Promenade club? bmfc1 Aug 16 2009 02:24 PM Thanks, but it's not my picture--it was posted on Twitter within a minute after the game. Valadius Aug 16 2009 02:34 PM Just got home from the game. My dad and I stayed through the 6th inning, he just couldn't take the heat anymore. Castillo really CRUSHED that ball. I was so pissed off when the Giants broke up the no-hitter. But all in all, a nice day at the ballpark, and the Shake Shack burgers were delicious as usual. DocTee Aug 16 2009 03:24 PM BMFC: Kuiper and Krukow were ragging on some dude in a chef's hat down the LF line in the first two innings. He was sporting a FAFIF retired numbers tee, that Krukow was able to decipher.

I'm glad Johan knew what to do once David was hit. But how the hell could he miss Pablo Sandoval?

Nope -- in the concourse. As in, above the entrance to the stairwells. Not at normal eye level.

="G-Fafif":38ael5v1]I didn't see all the Promenade imagery despite looking.[/quote:38ael5v1] Above the stairwells. Not exactly prominently placed. G-Fafif Aug 14 2009 11:41 PM Ah, within the seating bowls. I circled the concourses and came up empty. Hell, it's something. Gwreck Aug 15 2009 09:00 AM Nope -- in the concourse. As in, above the entrance to the stairwells. Not at normal eye level. MFS62 Aug 15 2009 09:02 AM ="DocTee":pcp1jqvk]95 consistently. Even in the sixth.[/quote:pcp1jqvk] Thanks, Later. themetfairy Aug 15 2009 12:02 PM I had fun sitting with G-Fafif and dgwphotography at the game, and appreciated Han Solo (and his adorable son) making a trip up to the Pepsi Porch to say hi. The old timey uniforms aren't the Mets' best look. But if they continue to have 2:19 shutouts while wearing them, then they can wear 'em forever. Bobby Parnell - David Wright -

Great game. Short pitcher's duel, just the way I like it. Think it was the shortest game of the year. The new video boards are working but I couldn't tell you what they're like as I just see the main boards from my seats. No sign of the improvement to the OOT scoreboard yet. Pictures in the concourse are great but they have Nikon logos on them. Couldn't we just honor the Mets without another corporate sponsor or advertisement? Uniforms are possibly the ugliest things I've seen in many a year on the Mets (black jerseys and hats excepted).

I kinda wanted to see Lincecum as the last time I saw him was his rookie year. It was his best outing against the Mets (he's never beaten us!). He was the starter in the game where Benitez balked twice in the 12th and Delgado hit a walk-off HR a couple of years ago.

Seems strange that we would get the Twins and Tigers again out of the AL central teams, and a home series against the Twins, to boot (they were just here in 2007!). We are overdue for a visit from the White Sox (they've never played us at home) and either a visit from or a visit to Kansas City.

There's nothing wrong with putting up flags for winning the division. Wild card? Nope, unless you also win the pennant.

I need to dig up the article but I recall Buster Olney pointing out that of the big-market teams, the Mets are one of the few who consistently stick to slot and do not go over. Edit: here we go: ="Buster Olney, 8/5/09":3r3vf3ql]An AL team executive followed up on Monday's column about the disparity between teams and about the recent trend of big-money teams to aggressively sign players for more than the slot recommendations made/suggested/demanded by the commissioner's office. The exec pointed out that the only team among the eight with the highest payroll which doesn't follow this trend happens to be the same team which wouldn't make the playoffs if they started today -- the Mets, who closely follow the commissioner's slot recommendations and, because of this, essentially compete against the Red Sox, the Yankees and others with one hand tied behind their back. In fact, another AL team official noted that a lot of the teams widely perceived to have the worst farm systems during this decade -- the Mets, White Sox, Astros and Royals -- are also the teams that almost uniformly follow the commissioner's slot recommendations. (The Royals have veered in recent seasons.)[/quote:3r3vf3ql] Frayed Knot Aug 12 2009 02:58 PM Of course it (slotting) is a stupid process - although the quote about the teams adhering to it consistently "having the worst farm systems" is more a case of shoe-horning the wanted results into the pre-determined answer me thinks. The Yanx haven't been rated any better than the Mets in recent years and they bust through the slotting "recommendations" all the time. Edgy DC Aug 12 2009 05:19 PM If you're buying tickets to see the Mets, I have a set of recommended prices you should pay for each slot and I think it would serve all our needs if you adhere to it stringently. Frayed Knot Aug 12 2009 07:30 PM The other thing about the Mets adherence to the slotting system is that, while it is stupid and frustrating, it's also getting blamed for virtually every weakness in their system and that's way over-emphasizing its effect. There are basically two types of players who can demand - and get - over-slot money. 1) A legit upper-half, first-round talent who scares enough small market teams (the ones who often have the best picks) with his supposed demands and and falls to either a later 1st or even 2nd/3rd round pick for a richer team. The team gets a better pick then they had a right to expect and the player gets himself on a better team while at least getting close to the money he wanted. But the Mets have never skipped over this type of obvious 1st round guy in favor of an easy sign of lesser talent. All their picks (when they've kept their 1st rounders -- Pelfrey, Humber, Milledge, Kazmir) were, at the time, considered worthy of their selection. 2) the other is the raw, yet athletically intriguing kid - usually a high-schooler - who isn't polished enough to be high-round material but could pay off in a long-term way for some team willing to risk big bucks in a later round to buy him out of his college scholarship or away from his other sport(s). This is where the Mets have NOT challenged the system and instead settle for the mostly filler-type guys that normally populate those rounds. Not that throwing big bucks at one of those guys is a high pct move, it's still a long-shot that will miss a lot more often than hit. But when a team that has the money won't at least attempt to pick a spot here and there to try for the big-bucks and maybe big reward stud simply because of an arbitrary system that not all your competitors adhere to then it's time to reevaluate where the priorities are. As for Matz, nothing I read suggested he should have been anything other than a 50-100 pick (he was 72nd) so I'm not sure if he's really worth what he's asking (approx $1.1mil or ~ double that spot's usual bonus). He has a college scholarship offer although it's to Coastal Carolina - a team that made it to the CWS last year but hardly a traditional powerhouse. Sounds like he'll get something over slot although maybe less than his asking price. Part of the problem is that the commish's office decided to [u:3ha55bf8]CUT[/u:3ha55bf8] bonus "suggestions" this year (about 10%) and naturally agents/players aren't happy about that. Signings all over are going slowly this year although a bunch have been announced over the last few days, including a lot of over-slot deals from the likes of Pittsburgh and others.

It's been done already. John Fogerty not only wrote the worst song of all time, "Centerfield," when he performs it in concert, he plays it on a baseball bat guitar. No, seriously. I couldn't believe it when I saw it the first time.

Yes, it was Hernandez' first ML homer. Of course, it wasn't last game they missed (and neither was last night) as Reyes pinch-hit late in the game, as did Wright last night.

Number of players in this lineup who would be starting for another team in the majors this year....umm...1? Maybe 2?

Damn, I would've liked to have him. Especially if all it cost was $$$. I think the White Sox have priority though because they're in the same league. Funny thing is, Olney reported in his ESPN column today that "an NL team called about Rios before the trade deadline and expressed interest in trading for the outfielder, so long as the Jays ate a pretty good portion of the contract, and that team was told in no uncertain terms that not only would the Jays not eat money, but the interested team should be prepared to give up major prospects for him."

="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":3f0a5k5v]the Marlins are three outs and -7 runs away from sweeping the first-place Phils[/quote:3f0a5k5v] The debacle of this season would somehow be more tolerable if Josh, Cody, Hanley, et al. could win the division instead of the Phillies. duan Aug 10 2009 03:31 AM I don't feel that way at all. If (say) the Phils romp to a 100 win season I can sell myself the concept that at least they were really good, and then chortle when they lose in the first round of the divisional series. However if the Marlins end up winning it with 88 games I go HOLY FUCK 88 GAMES. WE COULDN'T EVEN WIN 88 GAMES??????? IN A DIVISION WITH WASHINGTON?????? or something like that. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 10 2009 09:21 AM ="duan":3retgdtu]I don't feel that way at all. If (say) the Phils romp to a 100 win season I can sell myself the concept that at least they were really good, and then chortle when they lose in the first round of the divisional series. However if the Marlins end up winning it with 88 games I go HOLY FUCK 88 GAMES. WE COULDN'T EVEN WIN 88 GAMES??????? IN A DIVISION WITH WASHINGTON?????? or something like that.[/quote:3retgdtu] I get where you're coming from. AND that feeling is drowned out by an mildly-evil wish to see the trash-talking 10-year-old (NORTH Jerseyan) Phils fan who lives down the block from my folks cry just a little; a last-month collapse to a team whose fanbase doesn't really care/exist would do the trick (If a lecture about the dangers of frontrunning ensues, from someone who cares about the little shmuck, all the better.) Edgy DC Aug 10 2009 09:33 AM Wait, you can't put a 10-year-old in his place? LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 10 2009 11:28 AM ="Edgy DC":37wweejj]Wait, you can't put a 10-year-old in his place?[/quote:37wweejj] Well, I can't make him cry without lawyers being involved somewhere along the continuum. MFS62 Aug 10 2009 12:05 PM Mike Francessa just said on WFAN that A-Rod's home run in the 15 th inning really wasn't a pressure situation because if they don't score there, they just play another inning. Later Edgy DC Aug 10 2009 12:07 PM "Kid, when your team wins, you don't have to talk crap. Makes a winner look like a loser."

Always seemed very logical to me. Passes on the name without giving the exact same name.

="Vic Sage"]wow, a guy with a career OPS+ of 60. Yes, that's much better than moving Murphy back to his natural position to see what he can do over the rest of this meaningless season. Isn't Murphy's natural position third base?

="Edgy DC":2e19rltf]It was Shef who got Mota out of there, wasn't it?[/quote:2e19rltf] By '03 Shef was in the Bronx. Brian Jordan was the culprit. Mex17 Aug 05 2009 06:18 PM Is there anywhere to find video of Piazza/Mota part deux? I have searched Youtube to no avail. Edgy DC Aug 06 2009 09:00 AM The Fielder invasion seems pretty half-hearted to me. If he really wanted in, those security guards better hope that Milwaukee's players could restrain the guy because they seem pretty powerless. It was scarier when he tried to beat up Manny Parra in his own dugout. HahnSolo Aug 06 2009 09:11 AM That video has a WWE-backstage feel to it.

Meet Angel Pagan, power hitter.