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="Benjamin Grimm":1ijaeyp2]="G-Fafif":1ijaeyp2] Four new Mets in '88: Sasser from the beginning, McClure and Nunez added at trading deadline (or thereabouts) and David West called up in September.[/quote:1ijaeyp2] You're right. I was going from memory, and that memory was faulty.[/quote:1ijaeyp2] Jason my blog partner, he of The Holy Books collection of a card for every Met even if he had to create them himself (and the nine he self-manufactured are dazzling in their faux-Toppsness), told me a million pre-UMDB years ago that '88 was the lightest season on new Mets, four. Been implanted in the head ever since. Strangely enough, Sasser, the only one of those four with Met staying power, is the one I usually have to think about. Nunez sticks in mind because during the division clinching champagne bath, he showed up standing in his locker, behind the plastic covering, smiling but making a point that he didn't want to get wet. Edwin Nunez never pitched for a team anywhere near the playoffs yet suddenly he's a dry-clothed veteran on September 22, 1988. Then he was left off the 24-man NLCS roster. Hope he enjoyed not getting soaked. G-Fafif Mar 31 2009 03:49 PM ="Benjamin Grimm":3pgkqadq]Yes to Gallagher. For another of the 1992 guys, remember that it was also Jeff Torborg's debut.[/quote:3pgkqadq] Bill Pecota. metirish Mar 31 2009 04:50 PM Was I wrong about Shinjo or did I miss the point of this thread. Benjamin Grimm Mar 31 2009 05:20 PM Johnny guessed Shinjo (correctly) in the second or third post of this thread. metirish Mar 31 2009 05:32 PM ="metirish":xlm3fylz]According to UMDB Shinjo came in a a pinch runner , Benny Agbayani was in the starting line up. I was going to guess Desi Relaford but that's not correct.[/quote:xlm3fylz] Sorry Ben Grim but I was asking if I was right about this. Benjamin Grimm Mar 31 2009 06:03 PM Yes, Shinjo entered the game as a pinch-runner, but he was the only player to make his Mets debut in the first game of 2001. metirish Mar 31 2009 06:08 PM Oh I thought you meant in the starting nine. HahnSolo Apr 01 2009 09:01 AM ="metirish":2zrh990b]Oh I thought you meant in the starting nine.[/quote:2zrh990b] Yeah, I was wondering why Don Aase was on the list. So if relief/bench players count, then wouldn't KRod, Putz, Green, Reed be possibilities? [Edit: nevermind, I'm easily confused. I should read things more thoroughly before I post] Benjamin Grimm Apr 02 2009 06:56 AM Junior Noboa is the remaining 1992 guy. Edgy DC Apr 02 2009 07:19 AM I deserve copious amounts of parting gifts for coming up with Aase. I mean, I should lose half of them for conflating Orsulak and Gallagher, but there you are. G-Fafif Apr 02 2009 08:18 AM ="Edgy DC":28f3t4q6]I deserve copious amounts of parting gifts for coming up with Aase.[/quote:28f3t4q6] Page 163. Fman99 Apr 02 2009 09:22 AM I think I'll dip into recent history for the 2006 group of 6: LoDuca Delgado Nady Wagner Julio Franco Valentin Benjamin Grimm Apr 03 2009 07:51 AM Fman goes six for six with '06 picks! Fman99 Apr 03 2009 07:53 AM ="Benjamin Grimm":3g47tz21]Fman goes six for six with '06 picks![/quote:3g47tz21] I was thinking A-Hern too, who was the opening day 2B, but he had a callup in the fall of '05.

]1988, a year which saw only three new Mets the entire season. Four new Mets in '88: Sasser from the beginning, McClure and Nunez added at trading deadline (or thereabouts) and David West called up in September.

="metirish":1szfbxoo]Fran Healy productions has a range of shows to suit your needs.[/quote:1szfbxoo] I had my first ever dream about Fran Healy the other night. Dreamt I was at a table in some mostly deserted banquet room at a trade show in Philadelphia and Healy was taking a break from doing an interview or something and came to sit down. (TMF may have been at the table as well.) My gosh, I thought, I took a shot at him in my book and now I'm sitting here and he's coming over. He walked behind me, gave me this jockish rubbing of the shoulders and said something knowing and slightly needling as if to indicate it's all right, I've been through this before. He wasn't being particularly friendly, but he wasn't altogether menacing. Fman99 Mar 31 2009 11:56 AM Caught a couple of minutes of Beer Money the other night as I was flipping around the dial. Blech. If ol DJ Chunky Carlin came up to me I think I'd just feed him pennies until he went away. Now, that Julie girl, well, heh heh, I'd find something else to feed her. metirish Apr 06 2009 12:14 PM Caught most of the pre-game stuff , it's going to take sme getting used to watching Carlin. Of course I could just skip the damn thing. TransMonk Apr 06 2009 12:15 PM The new in-game graphics are a bit cookie cutter for my taste. I had no problem with the old ones. metirish Apr 06 2009 12:17 PM I find the huge NY swooshing through the screen annoying. A bit FOX like I think. HahnSolo Apr 06 2009 01:06 PM Carlin does remind me a bit too much of the leader of the Fordham Baldies. Elster88 Apr 18 2009 02:16 PM Finally I can be comfortable watching the post-game. The only thing worse than Carlin's voice is actually looking at him. The first time the gf saw him on Beer Money she was afraid of him. I've got no problem with equal treatment for slobs but does this guy have to be on TV? I also have no problem with TV personalities being hired based on how they look and sound. Edgy DC Apr 18 2009 02:50 PM I like to think I'd look prettier if people on TV and on film and in magzines were generally uglier. GYC Apr 18 2009 05:57 PM Chris Carlin is the biggest asshole I ever met. He covers Rutgers games for a local New Brunswick/Piscataway station and has absolutely no respect for anyone else in the business. He's loud, he's obnoxious, and he's an asshole. He'll stand up and leave in the middle of press conferences, even if people are in the middle of talking. He acts like he's important and has priority because he's Chris Carlin. And on gameday, him and fat daughter waddle around Rutgers Stadium. I hate seeing him on SNY. He's a prick. Edgy DC Apr 18 2009 08:22 PM Who else reads GYC's posts and hears the words coming out of Keith Hernandez's mouth? Live on the air. Fman99 Apr 18 2009 08:57 PM ="Edgy DC":2jfw89we]Who else reads GYC's posts and hears the words coming out of Keith Hernandez's mouth? Live on the air.[/quote:2jfw89we] I do, which is even better given Mex's wardrobe (in the profile pic) as the hair color pitchman. I'd buy Grecian 5 from that salty motherfucker in a minute! Swan Swan H May 25 2009 11:36 AM SNY is running the Mr. Koo game as the Mets Classic. Again. As I write this Buck and McCarver are giving Willie a tongue-bath. Anyway, this is at least the fourth time I've seen this game on SNY this year. According to UMDB the Mets have played 7,523 regular season games. Apparently SNY has the rights to show eight of them. batmagadanleadoff May 25 2009 12:17 PM ="Swan Swan H":qgg5ebow]SNY is running the Mr. Koo game as the Mets Classic. Again. As I write this Buck and McCarver are giving Willie a tongue-bath. Anyway, this is at least the fourth time I've seen this game on SNY this year. According to UMDB the Mets have played 7,523 regular season games. Apparently SNY has the rights to show eight of them.[/quote:qgg5ebow] I noticed the same thing. http://cranepoolforum.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=10886&sid=2e36b27e63769008dbc4af85452e39c6 Swan Swan H May 25 2009 12:31 PM Oops. I didn't realize there was a separate thread for the Classix. TransMonk Jun 03 2009 03:53 PM Per Metsblog, via Twitter, SI.com�s Jon Heyman announced that Matt Yalloff, formerly of SNY, has joined the MLB Network. G-Fafif Jun 03 2009 03:54 PM ="TransMonk":jrcwlac0]Per Metsblog, via Twitter, SI.com�s Jon Heyman announced that Matt Yalloff, formerly of SNY, has joined the MLB Network.[/quote:jrcwlac0] I'm exhausted just learning that. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 03 2009 05:09 PM So we've got Carlin for good, then. And there are no trades in broadcasting? John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 03 2009 06:19 PM ="TransMonk":2gmwiqqi]Per Metsblog, via Twitter, SI.com�s Jon Heyman announced that Matt Yalloff, formerly of SNY, has joined the MLB Network.[/quote:2gmwiqqi] as soda-getter. G-Fafif Jun 04 2009 12:34 PM Kevin Burkhardt just admonished the Pirates for placing a section of wall from Forbes Field, over which Mazeroski's home run flew, in a less than ideal spot at PNC Park. While there's nothing wrong with professing exacting standards (it is weird that it's between two bathrooms), anyone whose job description includes shilling for the history-challenged environs of Citi Field should pick his battles more carefully, as in, perhaps, "what a shape they don't have a Taqueria here in Pittsburgh." Elster88 Jun 24 2009 08:27 PM Carlin auditioning for ESPN doing the highlights. I really can't stand him. Swan Swan H Jun 24 2009 08:42 PM ="Elster88":2eui7q36]Carlin auditioning for ESPN doing the highlights. I really can't stand him.[/quote:2eui7q36] I hoped he'd be different, but you nailed it. Gary Apple may be vanilla, but he hits his marks and doesn't drive me nuts. Among the SNY stable of talkers I wouldn't mind seeing him in that seat. metirish Jun 24 2009 08:45 PM ="Swan Swan H":1bvh8rgw]="Elster88":1bvh8rgw]Carlin auditioning for ESPN doing the highlights. I really can't stand him.[/quote:1bvh8rgw] I hoped he'd be different, but you nailed it. Gary Apple may be vanilla, but he hits his marks and doesn't drive me nuts. Among the SNY stable of talkers I wouldn't mind seeing him in that seat.[/quote:1bvh8rgw] I've thought the same thing about Apple for a while. Elster88 Aug 09 2009 05:52 PM A clean-shaven Johnny Franco doing the post-game. Frayed Knot Aug 09 2009 06:41 PM I'm guessing Franco's had that mustache since, oh I dunno, maybe age 12. OlerudOwned Aug 09 2009 08:04 PM ="Frayed Knot"]I'm guessing Franco's had that mustache since, oh I dunno, maybe age 12. Funny that he'd be clean for a team with a historically mustachioed mascot. Then again, this was during the Schott reign. dgwphotography Aug 10 2009 07:46 AM ="Frayed Knot":30o1llmf]I'm guessing Franco's had that mustache since, oh I dunno, maybe age 12.[/quote:30o1llmf] Sounds like me - I've had at least a mustache for 29 years... Frayed Knot Aug 10 2009 07:59 AM But can't you just picture Johnny F trying to cultivate at least the beginnings of one in Jr High? The Reds - despite the mascot - were long a conservative club with 'no facial hair' restrictions going back even before the Schott era. I suspect he wasn't clean-shaven there out of choice. Edgy DC Aug 10 2009 08:10 AM And, in fairness to the Reds, all of baseball was pretty much facial-hair-free for about 50 years leading up to the Swinging A's era. Can anybody name the first mustachioed Met? John Cougar Lunchbucket Aug 10 2009 08:24 AM Ken Boswell Benjamin Grimm Aug 10 2009 08:25 AM Felix Millan? Frayed Knot Aug 10 2009 08:33 AM ="Edgy DC":8wq591f4]And, in fairness to the Reds, all of baseball was pretty much facial-hair-free for about 50 years leading up to the Swinging A's era. [/quote:8wq591f4] Reds just kept that policy going much longer than other clubs. It was some mgr/exec from the Cincy org that switched over to StL at one point during Keith's time there who made him shave off his 'stache. Edgy DC Aug 10 2009 08:44 AM And to be honest, I kind of liked the policy. Yeah, it seems starkly retrograde, but I like anything that makes teams culturally different from one another, even if it's something I wouldn't like on my team. Maybe especially if it's something I wouldn't like on my team. dgwphotography Aug 10 2009 01:29 PM I remember seeing both Kranepool and Harrelson sporting mustaches... Farmer Ted Aug 11 2009 09:25 AM Bobby O last night said that Pelfry's form on a bunch of pitches looked lazy and he wasn't waiting for Santos to finish giving signs before he started his windup. In Pelfry's defense, the guy was just with his wife who gave birth. So, he's up for how long during that process? Then the Mets shove him onto a plan, across the freaking country, and pitch with his head obviously in a fog. Farmer Ted Aug 16 2009 01:08 PM Switched over to NESN in between innings to catch a Red Sox score. Frank Viola doing color and sounds pretty good. Any openings at SNY? Frayed Knot Aug 16 2009 01:20 PM ="Farmer Ted":jupihupn]Switched over to NESN in between innings to catch a Red Sox score. Frank Viola doing color and sounds pretty good. Any openings at SNY?[/quote:jupihupn] I've heard him before. He might rival Johnny Franco for the most identifiable Noo Yawk accent working in the media. G-Fafif Aug 16 2009 03:54 PM ="dgwphotography":2hba0iah]I remember seeing both Kranepool and Harrelson sporting mustaches...[/quote:2hba0iah] Been listening to the radio broadcast of Tom Seaver's final start before he was traded. One of things I learned, from Bob Murphy, was Dave Kingman just shaved his mustache because he realized (according to Murph) that he couldn't grow a good one.

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="MFS62":3rc41gmb]They finished in sixth place. Can't be done any more, since there are only four teams in a division.[/quote:3rc41gmb] Wayne Garrett never finished in sixth place as a Met. (Perhaps it's because my CF brick is in Section 11 that I keep focusing like a laser on Mr. Garrett's participation in this question.) None of those guys was ever in my kitchen either. Buddy Harrelson has never been in my kitchen at least four times. batmagadanleadoff Mar 29 2009 02:52 PM ="MFS62":3pps8etg]They finished in sixth place. Can't be done any more, since there are only four teams in a division. Later[/quote:3pps8etg] Wayne Garrett (three times) was never a part of a 6th place Mets team. Neither were Berra or Yost. None of the other Mets were on 6th place Mets teams, three times. batmagadanleadoff Mar 29 2009 02:54 PM ="MFS62":22v9j71q] Or is this something really obscure?[/quote:22v9j71q] I don't think so. Really. batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 11:29 AM Hint #21. This wouldn't necessarily be the best hint I've provided, but a clue to the theme of this trivia question does appear in the cover of the 1993 Met yearbook. So, once again -- What did the following Mets -and no other Mets- do three times (as Mets): Ed Kranepool, Jerry Koosman, Bud Harrelson, Jerry Grote, Wayne Garrett, Rusty Staub, Cleon Jones and Tom Seaver, depending on how the answer is phrased? (Plus Berra, Pignatano, Yost and Walker, counting managers/coaches. But then, Harrelson did it four times instead of three.) John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 31 2009 11:33 AM Wear 3 different style/makes of Mets unis? batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 11:37 AM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":ct5jqyqq]Wear 3 different style/makes of Mets unis?[/quote:ct5jqyqq] You'd have to define styles, but it's not the answer. Any Met who played through most of the 90's (Franco, Hundley) wore more than four different uni styles. Fman99 Mar 31 2009 11:45 AM In as respectful a voice as possible, I'd like to indicate that I no longer care what the answer and think you're just a sadist for dragging this on for so many pages. It's like watching a horse with a broken leg limp down the home stretch. Just send this thread to the glue factory please. batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 11:52 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 31 2009 12:03 PM ="Fman99":14t2ivit]In as respectful a voice as possible, I'd like to indicate that I no longer care what the answer and think you're just a sadist for dragging this on for so many pages.[/quote:14t2ivit] If you thought I was a sadist before I wrote this post, you're gonna think even worse when I tell you that I figured this question would drag on all Summer. Actually, I think the answer, surrounded by all the clues, is obvious. You'll see when I post the answer, but I'm surprised no one's gotten it yet. (Though, I didn't expect anybody to get it without any clues). Are trivia stumpers really sadists? I think that's harsh. Ouch! John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 31 2009 11:55 AM I will say all the clues out there just made it more convoluted for me. I woulda made more gusses without all of them gumming up my brain. Benjamin Grimm Mar 31 2009 12:10 PM I think it may be time to flip the cards. OlerudOwned Mar 31 2009 12:10 PM Play during an anniversary season? Fuck if I know? Edgy DC Mar 31 2009 12:20 PM Cash checks from three different ownership groups? batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 12:31 PM [u:2z8yrec9]Hint # Last[/u:2z8yrec9]. Sigh. batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 12:35 PM ="Edgy DC":2jou5jz3]Cash checks from three different ownership groups?[/quote:2jou5jz3] That's interesting. The Payson Group. The De Roulets. Doubleday. Then Wilpon. Would you have a fifth group for the period when Doubleday and Wilpon were equal 50% owners? It wouldn't work, though. Stearns, for example, was a Met under all four groups; Cleon - just Payson. Edgy DC Mar 31 2009 12:43 PM I tried. Yeah, I count five different ownership entities under four different controlling partners --- Payson - DeRoulet/Payson - Doubleday, Inc. - Doubleday/Wilpon - Wilpon. It was as guess, and I thought maybe possibly right depending on how toruturously you defined things. Zvon Mar 31 2009 02:27 PM Sorry I didn't see this earlier. Don't give away the answer! I'm keen to guess! metsmarathon Mar 31 2009 03:24 PM played under the reign of different official METS logos...? SteveJRogers Mar 31 2009 03:40 PM FOR THE LOVE OF GOD JUST GIVE THE DAMN ANSWER! batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 04:29 PM Okay ... this is the last batch of hints and comments I'll make. Sometime tomorrow, I'll post the answer. ="Edgy DC":2h2aw5er]Cash checks from three different ownership groups?[/quote:2h2aw5er] I liked this guess, even though it was incorrect. The answer to this question is much more obvious and accessible. ="Met Hunter":2h2aw5er]I think it has something to do with being on a LCS team or winner.[/quote:2h2aw5er] I also liked Met Hunter's guess, even though the answer has nothing to do with being on an LCS team or on a winner and even though MH's answer wasn't even an answer, but a request for another hint. But I think that Met Hunter's approach to answering the question might have been the best one, even if I'm guessing here, myself. I guess that I don't really know what MH's reasons or methods were for answering the question the way he did. But I liked his comment. If you phrase the answer so as to include Tom Seaver as one of the Mets that did this three times, then by that same phrasing, Jim Palmer did this six times with the Orioles, and the trio of Glavine, Smoltz and Maddux each did it six times as a Brave. I'm still trying to figure out whether there's any consolation in being called a sadist respectfully, as opposed to the regular way. Met Hunter Mar 31 2009 04:42 PM There are a few reasons why I'm thinking this way. First of all, you mention the 69 coaches, so an on field feat is out. Then you mentioned that a Met could only do this four times. Like the 4 Met pennants. Buddy being the coach on one of them. But since no Met could do all four that was out. Maybe a playoff appearance? There were no LCSs in Babe Ruth's day. Belanger was in 6 LCSs with Balto. But then Ojeda never did it. So that's out. Dwight Bernard was a short timer, but he played when Milwaukee was a playoff team. Hmmm. Every guess, every lead, has a hole. I was hoping it isn't something dopey like being on the cover of a yearbook. G-Fafif Mar 31 2009 04:51 PM Played with/coached a Hall of Famer? With/for a Hall of Famer in the World Series? Wayne Garrett had three Hall of Famers in that regard: Seaver, Mays, Ryan (if we're not counting managers). Harrelson would have those guys plus Carter, when he coached, making it four. I haven't value-tested every guy (why not Tug...because he didn't pitch in '69 WS, perhaps), so maybe not, but Dwight Bernard played in a WS with Molitor and Yount, so...I have no idea. batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 04:57 PM ="G-Fafif":3bt9357t]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:3bt9357t] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider). batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 04:59 PM ="G-Fafif":l26i4i4l]Played with/coached a Hall of Famer? With/for a Hall of Famer in the World Series? Wayne Garrett had three Hall of Famers in that regard: Seaver, Mays, Ryan (if we're not counting managers). Harrelson would have those guys plus Carter, when he coached, making it four. I haven't value-tested every guy (why not Tug...because he didn't pitch in '69 WS, perhaps), so maybe not, but Dwight Bernard played in a WS with Molitor and Yount, so...I have no idea.[/quote:l26i4i4l] Did you just add this stuff? Anyway, it's got nothing to do with HOF'ers. And remember -- Babe Ruth never did it. G-Fafif Mar 31 2009 05:01 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":1wu9ddve]="G-Fafif":1wu9ddve]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:1wu9ddve] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:1wu9ddve] Yeah, that occurred to me after. But Spahn, Berra, Snider did not play in WS as Mets. Only Mets HoFers to play in WS as Mets were Nolan, Willie, Tom and Gary; Yogi coached and managed in WS. I don't know that Schmidt played with six HoFers in WS (Carlton, Perez, Morgan...eph the Phils). batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 05:07 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":3qmgs4ht]="G-Fafif":3qmgs4ht]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:3qmgs4ht] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:3qmgs4ht] Kranepool played with those three, plus Ryan, Seaver and Mays -- six HOFers in all, not including HOF managers and coaches (Hornsby, Stengel) batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 05:09 PM ="G-Fafif":3fpqzwke]="batmagadanleadoff":3fpqzwke]="G-Fafif":3fpqzwke]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:3fpqzwke] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:3fpqzwke] Yeah, that occurred to me after. But Spahn, Berra, Snider did not play in WS as Mets. Only Mets HoFers to play in WS as Mets were Nolan, Willie, Tom and Gary; Yogi coached and managed in WS. I don't know that Schmidt played with six HoFers in WS (Carlton, Perez, Morgan...eph the Phils).[/quote:3fpqzwke] I see. We're playing leapfrog with our posts. Well, it doesn't have anything to do with HOFers, no matter how you slice it. SteveJRogers Mar 31 2009 05:10 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 31 2009 05:12 PM I'm fixated on Buddy's Gold Glove image. Does it have something to do with Met award winners? Huh, or maybe All Star Game Starts... AH HA... All Star Game selections made by someone other than fan voting perhaps? batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 05:12 PM ="SteveJRogers"]I'm fixated on Buddy's Gold Glove image. Does it have something to do with Met award winners? Hey! This isn't What's My Line? G-Fafif Mar 31 2009 05:14 PM SteveJRogers Mar 31 2009 05:16 PM Be in uniform for Opening Day proper (Game 1 of 162) at Shea Stadium? That doesn't make much sense now that I think of it... Didn't it use to alternate until like the last few years the Mets have opened on the road for whatever reason? MFS62 Mar 31 2009 05:24 PM How about that all participated in a game that opened a new staduim? Later Edgy DC Mar 31 2009 05:24 PM These guys, at least three times, have attended the funeral of a Met Hall of Famer. Dead Mets Hall of Famers: Tommie Agee Gil Hodges Tug McGraw Bob Murphy Johnny Murphy Lindsey Nelson Joan Whitney Payson Bill Shea Casey Stengel George Weiss OlerudOwned Mar 31 2009 11:24 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":3ces6an7]="G-Fafif":3ces6an7]Played with/coached a Hall of Famer? With/for a Hall of Famer in the World Series? Wayne Garrett had three Hall of Famers in that regard: Seaver, Mays, Ryan (if we're not counting managers). Harrelson would have those guys plus Carter, when he coached, making it four. I haven't value-tested every guy (why not Tug...because he didn't pitch in '69 WS, perhaps), so maybe not, but Dwight Bernard played in a WS with Molitor and Yount, so...I have no idea.[/quote:3ces6an7] Did you just add this stuff? Anyway, it's got nothing to do with HOF'ers. And remember -- Babe Ruth never did it.[/quote:3ces6an7] Touched their own toes. TheOldMole Apr 01 2009 06:28 AM Can we give up? Benjamin Grimm Apr 01 2009 07:08 AM We're trying. MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:13 AM Is it a coincidence that he said he would reveal the answer today? April Fools Day? What if there is no answer? Pitchfiorks and torches. Who's with me? Later seawolf17 Apr 01 2009 07:19 AM I don't mean this in a bad way, but if a trivia question takes sixteen hints and ninety posts without anyone sniffing an answer, I think it's a bit of trivia that would get you fired from the "Jeopardy" clue crew. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 07:23 AM Alright already. I'll post the answer in about 20 minutes. I would've really liked for someone to have solved the question. Reallly. I didn't set out to be a stumper. Or a sadist. The answer's so easy that when I post it, I guarantee that everyone on this forum will be able to confirm the accuracy of the answer mentally, without having to reference any printed source. metirish Apr 01 2009 07:27 AM Oh just give us the fucking answer for fucks sake , it can only be a disapointment at this stage. MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:34 AM Come on already. I'm putting curare on my pitchfork. Later batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 07:42 AM What do the following Mets -and no other Mets- have in common: Ed Kranepool, Jerry Koosman, Bud Harrelson, Jerry Grote, Wayne Garrett and Rusty Staub? Hint #5 - Whatever it is that these Mets have in common (Ed Kranepool, Jerry Koosman, Bud Harrelson, Jerry Grote, Wayne Garrett, Rusty Staub and depending on how the answer is phrased - Tom Seaver), they did it three times. Hint #6 - Actually, Bud Harrelson did it four times; thrice as a player and once as a manager/coach. But for the purpose of this question, I only counted the three times Bud did it as a player. The answer is ����. They all played for the Mets in a season --three times-- in which one of their teammates won the Cy Young Award. (Hint #13. Bud Harrelson did it four times. This is the maximum possible number of times that any Met could have accomplished this whatever you wanna call it.) Bud Harrelson did it four times. He played for the Mets for all three of Seaver�s Cy�s, and was a coach for the Mets in �85, the year that Gooden won his Cy Young award. Seaver, of course, can�t be his own teammate, so the answer would have to be re-phrased to work around the word �teammate� in order to include him: something like �these Mets played for the Mets in seasons when a Met won that year�s Cy Young award. ="Edgy DC"]Rusty Staub is the key here, as he is the only non-'69er. This is as good a time as any to segue into hint #7. Hint #7. Rusty's path to this "accomplishment" ("accomplishment" for lack of a better term) was slightly different than that off all the other Mets in the question. All but Rusty were teammates of Seaver in each of the three years when Seaver won the award (�69, �73 and �75). Staub missed Seaver�s first Cy but came back for a second stint with the team in the 80�s and was Gooden�s teammate for Doc�s Cy campaign in �85, Staub�s last season as a major leaguer. Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. Hint #8. Earlier, I wrote that Cleon Jones just missed making the list. Cleon's omission from the list is a technicality based on the way I chose to phrase the answer, more than anything else. I could rephrase the answer so as to include Cleon Jones. The inclusion of Cleon would then leave about a dozen or so Mets who "accomplished" this bit of trivia twice. Of those dozen or so, the Mets that came the closest to making the list (Kranepool, Koosman, Harrelson, Grote, Garrett, Staub - Seaver & Jones depending on how the answer is phrased) without actually making it are, in no particular order, Ken Boswell, Tug McGraw and Duffy Dyer. Hint #9. Under the narrower Jonesless version of this trivia question, Cleon misses the cut by a few months. Cleon was a Met in �69, �73 and �75, so he�s part of the answer. In my original answer, I excluded Cleon because he wasn�t on the Mets for the entire �75 season. I thought that by including partial seasons, the answer would include too many Mets, and the question would be too confusing. Really. But as it turned out, Cleon was the only Met affected by allowing partial seasons. Boswell, McGraw and Dyer were Mets for Seaver�s first two awards; their careers as Mets concluded at the end of the �74 season. Hint #10. As I said, Bud Harrelson did this four times as a Met, if you include his roster stints as coach and/or manager. Including all Met managerial and coaching stints, add Yogi Berra, Rube Walker, Joe Pignatano and Eddie Yost as Mets who did this three times. All four were in Mets uniforms for each of Seaver�s three Cy Young awards. ="batmagadanleadoff"] Hint #16. Yogi did it four times as a Yankee. Hint #17. For most of Yogi's Yankee days, this was twice as hard to do as it is now, if not outright impossible. Hint #18. Babe Ruth never did it. So -- George Thomas 3, George Herman 0. Did anyone ever notice how the greatest Met and Yankee are both named George, and how they were both commonly referred to as something other than George? Yogi played for the Yankees in 1958 when Bob Turley won the Cy Young award and in 1961, when Whitey Ford won the award. He coached the Yankees in 1977 when Sparky Lyle won the award and the following season, when Ron Guidry won it. The award didn�t exist prior to 1956, and between 1956 and 1966, only one award was given, instead of the two that are now awarded, -- one for each league. Hint #20. Dwight Bernard did it twice in his career; never as a N.Y. Met. Bernard�s MLB career consisted of two seasons with the Mets (�79 and �80) and then the following two seasons with the Brewers as teammates of Cy Young award winners Rollie Fingers (�81) and Pete Vuckovich (�82). Hint #19. Tommy Davis did it seven times in his career; never as a N.Y. Met. Tommy Davis was a teammate of the following Cy Young award winners in the same seasons that the pitchers won the award: Don Drysdale (�62) Sandy Koufax (�63, �65, �66) Vida Blue (�71) Jim Palmer (73, �75) MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:50 AM Well played. Good question. Helpful clues. I'd still advise you to have someone else open your packages and start your car for you for a while. Later Zvon Apr 01 2009 12:03 PM ="batmagadanleadoff"]Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 12:10 PM ="Zvon"]="batmagadanleadoff"]Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. Welcome back, man! G-Fafif Apr 01 2009 12:44 PM The answer was kind of, sort of waiting to be divined. A couple of more weeks and I feel I would have caught on. Edgy DC Apr 01 2009 12:48 PM Agreed. Definitely by the All Star Break. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 03:02 PM If you guys weren't so impatient, my next hint would've been: Ironically, Cy Young never did this. Edgy DC May 07 2009 02:37 PM Tom Seaver Nolan Ryan Dennis Eckersley Rich Gossage Swan Swan H May 07 2009 03:14 PM WAG - Four pitchers who got a win and a save in an All-Star game. Edgy DC May 07 2009 05:25 PM I'm pretty sure this is an exclusive club (though I suspect there might be one more out there). I know that Bruce Sutter has also both won and saved an All Star game. You'd also think Sutter would be part of this list for the reasons I'm looking for, but he's not. batmagadanleadoff May 07 2009 05:28 PM Is this a trivia question? And if so, is there a Met theme (thread title)?

Jeff Wilpon impresses Len Berman.

This week's long-distance dedication is sent out to Kevin Frisch for keeping his feet in his mouth while reaching for insipid conclusions.

Boy, how I'd love to not see Walt Weiss on that list. ]Unfortunately, sportswriters outside New York Jeter may need a bit more. Most baseball analysts I know agree that Jeter should or could have won MVP awards in 1998, 1999, and 2006. That he didn�t probably reflects the rest of the country�s resentment that New York players receive so much national attention (or at any rate, are said to). Yes, it was all anti-New York bias, not the possibility that Juan Gonzalez, Ivan Rodriguez and Joe Mauer helped push less loaded teams over the top and got credit for their accomplishments therein. How come "baseball analysts" are absolutely brilliant and "sportswriters" are a bunch of dumb clucks? Jeter doesn't get enough appreciation from sportswriters? On what planet?

Borderline material for the gathering, I infer. What are you going to tell Arthur Richman after he's become Arthur Richman -- stop being Arthur Richman? I guess what Curry was saying is "Everybody knows Artie was loopy." We don't know that, but now we do.

="batmagadanleadoff"]="G-Fafif"]]Cleon and Tug just missed the cut. But not Art Shamsky! Wait, we're not talking about Yogi Berra's newly known attribute? 'Cause if we are, I'm thinking Shamsky, Joe Ginsberg, Shawn Green...there was some cutting going on when they were bonus babies. (I hate myself sometimes.) I was being circumspect. To Shea. Which is where all those guys played, but nothing more.

That K.K.K. paragraph seemed unnecessary and clumsy. Otherwise nice tribute. Arthur was a mainstay of team photos.

]Cleon and Tug just missed the cut. But not Art Shamsky! Wait, we're not talking about Yogi Berra's newly known attribute? 'Cause if we are, I'm thinking Shamsky, Joe Ginsberg, Shawn Green...there was some cutting going on when they were bonus babies. (I hate myself sometimes.)

="MFS62":2fhw62t1]They all played for a last place team and a pennant winning team. Later[/quote:2fhw62t1] Wayne Garrett didn't play for a last-place Mets team. Maybe next-to-last place is what's going on here, though Tug was on the '66 Mets (but not '68 Mets). batmagadanleadoff Mar 26 2009 02:43 PM ="G-Fafif":2t9ocdb9]Anything to do with Shea?[/quote:2t9ocdb9] Other than that those Mets played all of their home games there? No. ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":2t9ocdb9](Four) Appearances on Kiner's Korner?[/quote:2t9ocdb9] Steve Henderson probably appeared on Kiner's Korner about a dozen times before the end of his first month as a Met. ="G-Fafif":2t9ocdb9] Cleon and Tug just missed the cut. But not Art Shamsky![/quote:2t9ocdb9] Art Shamsky did it just once. Bob Ojeda never did it. That was hint #11. And 12. [u:2t9ocdb9]Hint #13[/u:2t9ocdb9]. Bud Harrelson did it four times. This is the maximum possible number of times that any Met could have accomplished this whatever you wanna call it. [u:2t9ocdb9]Hint #14[/u:2t9ocdb9]. I just did a quick check of modern baseball history and I noticed that among everyday players, Mark Belanger did it six times with the Orioles. And according to the looser version that would include Cleon Jones, Mike Schmidt also did it six times. I can't think of any modern everyday player that could've accomplished this more than six times, but I won't rule it out, because I didn't research the other teams thoroughly enough to say for sure. G-Fafif Mar 26 2009 02:54 PM ]Cleon and Tug just missed the cut. But not Art Shamsky! Wait, we're not talking about Yogi Berra's newly known attribute? 'Cause if we are, I'm thinking Shamsky, Joe Ginsberg, Shawn Green...there was some cutting going on when they were bonus babies. (I hate myself sometimes.) batmagadanleadoff Mar 26 2009 03:17 PM ="G-Fafif"]]Cleon and Tug just missed the cut. But not Art Shamsky! Wait, we're not talking about Yogi Berra's newly known attribute? 'Cause if we are, I'm thinking Shamsky, Joe Ginsberg, Shawn Green...there was some cutting going on when they were bonus babies. (I hate myself sometimes.) I was being circumspect. G-Fafif Mar 26 2009 03:29 PM ="batmagadanleadoff"]="G-Fafif"]]Cleon and Tug just missed the cut. But not Art Shamsky! Wait, we're not talking about Yogi Berra's newly known attribute? 'Cause if we are, I'm thinking Shamsky, Joe Ginsberg, Shawn Green...there was some cutting going on when they were bonus babies. (I hate myself sometimes.) I was being circumspect. To Shea. Which is where all those guys played, but nothing more. batmagadanleadoff Mar 26 2009 04:56 PM ="G-Fafif":3flx9u20]To Shea.[/quote:3flx9u20] Touch�. To Shea. batmagadanleadoff Mar 27 2009 09:01 AM [u:2fpqm5aj]Hint #15[/u:2fpqm5aj]. Here's how many times Met managers did it: Bud Harrelson -4 Yogi Berra - 3 Gil Hodges - 1 Roy McMillan -1 Joe Torre -1 Davey Johnson - 1 Bobby Valentine - 1 All other Met Managers - 0 But I'm not saying whether these managers did it as managers, coaches or players, or some combination - other than Harrelson, where it was already hinted that Bud did it three times as a player and once as a manager/coach. Other than Johnson, all of those managers also either played or coached (or both) for the Mets. MFS62 Mar 27 2009 10:21 AM I think by now, you could give us the answer as a hint, and we still wouldn't get it. Later batmagadanleadoff Mar 27 2009 10:47 AM ="batmagadanleadoff":1vx4xyze][u:1vx4xyze]Hint #15[/u:1vx4xyze]. Here's how many times Met managers did it: Bud Harrelson -4 Yogi Berra - 3 Gil Hodges - 1 Roy McMillan -1 Joe Torre -1 Davey Johnson - 1 Bobby Valentine - 1 All other Met Managers - 0 But I'm not saying whether these managers did it as managers, coaches or players, or some combination - other than Harrelson, where it was already hinted that Bud did it three times as a player and once as a manager/coach. Other than Johnson, all of those managers also either played or coached (or both) for the Mets.[/quote:1vx4xyze] I made a mistake. Roy McMillan did it twice. Benjamin Grimm Mar 27 2009 11:05 AM I Googled "things Roy McMillan did twice." He was named to the NL All-Star team twice. He wouldn't think twice about shooting Booker. He watched Oden work out twice in the summer. He descended a waterfall twice as high as Niagara. Twice a week he sits in a lawn chair while the clinic gets calls from women. Edgy DC Mar 27 2009 11:13 AM That last one was gonna be my next guess. batmagadanleadoff Mar 27 2009 11:52 AM ="Benjamin Grimm":3niay9n1]I Googled "things Roy McMillan did twice."[/quote:3niay9n1] I didn't plan this ahead of time, but my trivia question appears to be google-proof. Anyone googling here is either confirming a correct response or eliminating a wrong one. But the answer itself is not googleable - or at least not googleable by submitting the question as a search term. [u:3niay9n1]Hint #16[/u:3niay9n1]. Yogi did it four times as a Yankee. [u:3niay9n1]Hint #17[/u:3niay9n1]. For most of Yogi's Yankee days, this was twice as hard to do as it is now, if not outright impossible. [u:3niay9n1]Hint #18[/u:3niay9n1]. Babe Ruth never did it. So -- George Thomas 3, George Herman 0. Did anyone ever notice how the greatest Met and Yankee are both named George, and how they were both commonly referred to as something other than George? Met Hunter Mar 27 2009 04:02 PM I think it has something to do with being on a LCS team or winner. TheOldMole Mar 27 2009 09:15 PM Things Tad did twice: He circled the room twice and then exited He was made that guy by Dre twice this week. batmagadanleadoff Mar 28 2009 01:21 PM ="TheOldMole":32culie7]Things Tad did twice: He circled the room twice and then exited He was made that guy by Dre twice this week.[/quote:32culie7] You're not taking this seriously, are you? [u:32culie7]Hint #19[/u:32culie7]. Tommy Davis did it seven times in his career; never as a N.Y. Met. batmagadanleadoff Mar 28 2009 01:28 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":1dd6hoe3]="TheOldMole":1dd6hoe3]Things Tad did twice: He circled the room twice and then exited He was made that guy by Dre twice this week.[/quote:1dd6hoe3] You're not taking this seriously, are you? [u:1dd6hoe3]Hint #19[/u:1dd6hoe3]. Tommy Davis did it seven times in his career; never as a N.Y. Met.[/quote:1dd6hoe3] [u:1dd6hoe3]Hint #20[/u:1dd6hoe3]. Dwight Bernard did it twice in his career; never as a N.Y. Met. Edgy DC Mar 28 2009 01:47 PM The answer is, obviously, appearing on the cover of the Mets' yearbook. Rusty Staub is the odd man out, because he actually appeared on the cover of a Mets yearbook in a visitor's uniform, sliding into Jerry Grote or something. SteveJRogers Mar 28 2009 01:57 PM ="Edgy DC"]The answer is, obviously, appearing on the cover of the Mets' yearbook. Rusty Staub is the odd man out, because he actually appeared on the cover of a Mets yearbook in a visitor's uniform, sliding into Jerry Grote or something. ] Hint #2. Note that Tug McGraw and Cleon Jones are not included in the question. This last hint might help you to avoid wrong answers, more than anything else. Edgy DC Mar 28 2009 02:02 PM Yes, thanks for you non-speaking point. Whle I'm certain that my "obvious" answer is wrong, I believe his statment was that they did something at least three times, so one appearance by another would not be a disqualifier. Nonetheless, Jose Reyes has probably hogged three covers by now. How about you let the quiz guy knock me down? SteveJRogers Mar 28 2009 02:05 PM Hmmm From Baseball-Almanac's Bud Harrelson's 1965 page ]On the road, Bud Harrelson appeared in 10 games, had 20 at-bats, drove in 0 runs, scored 3 times, had 2 hits (1 doubles / 0 triples / 0 home runs), walked 1 times (0 intentional), struck out 5 times, was hit by a pitcher 0 times, sacrificed 0 times (0 hits & 0 flies), stole 5 bases, was caught stealing 4 times, ground into 5 double plays, and finished at home with a .1 batting average, .142 on base percentage and .15 slugging average? Caught stealing in a single season? batmagadanleadoff Mar 28 2009 02:09 PM ="Edgy DC":1ycfndin]The answer is, obviously, appearing on the cover of the Mets' yearbook. Rusty Staub is the odd man out, because he actually appeared on the cover of a Mets yearbook in a visitor's uniform, sliding into Jerry Grote or something.[/quote:1ycfndin] Staub never appeared on any cover of a Met yearbook as a visitor. And it wouldn't count even if he did, because the answer concerns something done as a Met. You're thinking of the 1971 yearbook cover, featuring a Dodger sliding into the plate (Willie -- Crawford or Davis, I think). Coincidentally and during his Expo days, Staub was a fixture in that section of Mets season ticket brochures that would feature the visiting star players that were to appear at Shea. I always wondered if Met scouts were inspired by those pamphlets because over the next few seasons, the team went and got almost all of those featured visiting stars, even if it was usually, though not in Staub's case, a day late and a dollar short. (Staub, Mays, Torre) Too bad they didn't get Willie Stargell. Edgy DC Mar 28 2009 02:12 PM So I guess you're saying I'm wrong? There were two play-at-the-plate covers --- the second one features Stoins failng to tag out a hook-sliding Cub (I think a Cub). But now that I think of it, I'm pretty sure the Dodger opponent was black, and and the Cub opponent was Latino. And, of course, Staub never played for either team. batmagadanleadoff Mar 28 2009 02:14 PM ="Edgy DC":1esaa9by]So I guess you're saying I'm wrong?[/quote:1esaa9by] I don't wanna take away any credit from Rogers. batmagadanleadoff Mar 28 2009 10:35 PM ="SteveJRogers"]Hmmm From Baseball-Almanac's Bud Harrelson's 1965 page ]On the road, Bud Harrelson appeared in 10 games, had 20 at-bats, drove in 0 runs, scored 3 times, had 2 hits (1 doubles / 0 triples / 0 home runs), walked 1 times (0 intentional), struck out 5 times, was hit by a pitcher 0 times, sacrificed 0 times (0 hits & 0 flies), stole 5 bases, was caught stealing 4 times, ground into 5 double plays, and finished at home with a .1 batting average, .142 on base percentage and .15 slugging average? Caught stealing in a single season? I must have missed this post before. In order for your answer to work, the Mets that are the answer to this question (or question to the answer) (Kranepool, Koosman, Grote, Staub, Harrelson, Garrett - and depending on how the answer is phrased, Seaver, plus Cleon by relaxing the standard, plus Berra, Pignatano, Yost and Walker if you wanna include coaches and/or managers) must have done something three times -- in your answer, I assume that you mean being caught stealing four bases over three separate seasons, as the original question states that no Met player did it more than three times. But I also hinted that both Harrelson and Davey Johnson did it once each as either a manager or coach. Since managers or coaches don't steal bases, and don't get caught stealing bases, and neither Harrelson or Davey were player/coach-managers like Joe Torre once was, this would tend to wreck it for you. Davey could never have been caught stealing four bases for the Mets in any season, let alone three seasons, because Davey never played for the Mets. I also hinted that Harreslon's "four times" represents the maximum number of times that any Met could have possibly done this. This would also tend to negate your response because the only theoretical limit on the number of times a players might get caught stealing precisely four times in a single season would be the number of season's the player played. Thus, for example, Ed Kranepool could have theoretically been caught stealing four bases in a season, 18 times - once for each of the 18 seasons he played for the Mets. Also, Tom Seaver was never, ever caught stealing a base throughout his entire career, let alone three bases in one season in three different seasons. Also, I hinted that Mike Schmidt did this six times in his career. Yet Mike Schmidt was caught stealing four bases in a season, just once -- in his repeat MVP season of 1981. Now if you weren't referring to seasons, but simply referring to Harrelson' s four caught stealings in 1965 as the answer, then this would have to be the highest number of CS in a season in Met history, and the highest possible number of times that a Met could get caught stealing in a season. And Davey Johnson would have had to have been caught stealing four bases in a season as a Met in order for your response to be reconciled with all of the hints. You were close, though. Nice try. Edgy DC Mar 29 2009 11:21 AM ]I also hinted that Harreslon's "four times" represents the maximum number of times that any Met could have possibly done this. Things one can theoreticall only do four times: 1) You can only appear in a game in four different seasons of the year. 2) You can only be permantently banished from a province of Ireland four times. 3) You can only lose a limb fout times. 5) You can only kill a Beatle four times. And now, not even. MFS62 Mar 29 2009 12:31 PM About the answer. Is this something that when we hear it, we'll slap ourselves in the forehead and say,"Shit, how could I not know that?" Or is this something really obscure? Later batmagadanleadoff Mar 29 2009 02:12 PM ="MFS62":2uzr4589]About the answer. Is this something that when we hear it, we'll slap ourselves in the forehead and say,"Shit, how could I not know that?" Or is this something really obscure?[/quote:2uzr4589] I don't know. But if this is your idea of a Mets trivia question, perhaps some hints are in order. batmagadanleadoff Mar 29 2009 02:13 PM ="Met Hunter":yxvwkmgj]I think it has something to do with being on a LCS team or winner.[/quote:yxvwkmgj] On the one hand, your answer is wrong, and not even close. But in some respects, your answer is closer than any of the other answers submitted. batmagadanleadoff Mar 29 2009 02:16 PM ="Edgy DC"]]I also hinted that Harreslon's "four times" represents the maximum number of times that any Met could have possibly done this. Things one can theoreticall only do four times: 1) You can only appear in a game in four different seasons of the year. 2) You can only be permantently banished from a province of Ireland four times. 3) You can only lose a limb fout times. 5) You can only kill a Beatle four times. And now, not even. Ironically, you skipped the fourth thing that one can do four times. MFS62 Mar 29 2009 02:31 PM They finished in sixth place. Can't be done any more, since there are only four teams in a division. Later Edgy DC Mar 29 2009 02:39 PM 4) Um, you can only watch four seasons of Judd Hirsch in Dear John. G-Fafif Mar 29 2009 02:50 PM ="MFS62":3rc41gmb]They finished in sixth place. Can't be done any more, since there are only four teams in a division.[/quote:3rc41gmb] Wayne Garrett never finished in sixth place as a Met. (Perhaps it's because my CF brick is in Section 11 that I keep focusing like a laser on Mr. Garrett's participation in this question.) None of those guys was ever in my kitchen either. Buddy Harrelson has never been in my kitchen at least four times. batmagadanleadoff Mar 29 2009 02:52 PM ="MFS62":3pps8etg]They finished in sixth place. Can't be done any more, since there are only four teams in a division. Later[/quote:3pps8etg] Wayne Garrett (three times) was never a part of a 6th place Mets team. Neither were Berra or Yost. None of the other Mets were on 6th place Mets teams, three times. batmagadanleadoff Mar 29 2009 02:54 PM ="MFS62":22v9j71q] Or is this something really obscure?[/quote:22v9j71q] I don't think so. Really. batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 11:29 AM Hint #21. This wouldn't necessarily be the best hint I've provided, but a clue to the theme of this trivia question does appear in the cover of the 1993 Met yearbook. So, once again -- What did the following Mets -and no other Mets- do three times (as Mets): Ed Kranepool, Jerry Koosman, Bud Harrelson, Jerry Grote, Wayne Garrett, Rusty Staub, Cleon Jones and Tom Seaver, depending on how the answer is phrased? (Plus Berra, Pignatano, Yost and Walker, counting managers/coaches. But then, Harrelson did it four times instead of three.) John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 31 2009 11:33 AM Wear 3 different style/makes of Mets unis? batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 11:37 AM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":ct5jqyqq]Wear 3 different style/makes of Mets unis?[/quote:ct5jqyqq] You'd have to define styles, but it's not the answer. Any Met who played through most of the 90's (Franco, Hundley) wore more than four different uni styles. Fman99 Mar 31 2009 11:45 AM In as respectful a voice as possible, I'd like to indicate that I no longer care what the answer and think you're just a sadist for dragging this on for so many pages. It's like watching a horse with a broken leg limp down the home stretch. Just send this thread to the glue factory please. batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 11:52 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 31 2009 12:03 PM ="Fman99":14t2ivit]In as respectful a voice as possible, I'd like to indicate that I no longer care what the answer and think you're just a sadist for dragging this on for so many pages.[/quote:14t2ivit] If you thought I was a sadist before I wrote this post, you're gonna think even worse when I tell you that I figured this question would drag on all Summer. Actually, I think the answer, surrounded by all the clues, is obvious. You'll see when I post the answer, but I'm surprised no one's gotten it yet. (Though, I didn't expect anybody to get it without any clues). Are trivia stumpers really sadists? I think that's harsh. Ouch! John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 31 2009 11:55 AM I will say all the clues out there just made it more convoluted for me. I woulda made more gusses without all of them gumming up my brain. Benjamin Grimm Mar 31 2009 12:10 PM I think it may be time to flip the cards. OlerudOwned Mar 31 2009 12:10 PM Play during an anniversary season? Fuck if I know? Edgy DC Mar 31 2009 12:20 PM Cash checks from three different ownership groups? batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 12:31 PM [u:2z8yrec9]Hint # Last[/u:2z8yrec9]. Sigh. batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 12:35 PM ="Edgy DC":2jou5jz3]Cash checks from three different ownership groups?[/quote:2jou5jz3] That's interesting. The Payson Group. The De Roulets. Doubleday. Then Wilpon. Would you have a fifth group for the period when Doubleday and Wilpon were equal 50% owners? It wouldn't work, though. Stearns, for example, was a Met under all four groups; Cleon - just Payson. Edgy DC Mar 31 2009 12:43 PM I tried. Yeah, I count five different ownership entities under four different controlling partners --- Payson - DeRoulet/Payson - Doubleday, Inc. - Doubleday/Wilpon - Wilpon. It was as guess, and I thought maybe possibly right depending on how toruturously you defined things. Zvon Mar 31 2009 02:27 PM Sorry I didn't see this earlier. Don't give away the answer! I'm keen to guess! metsmarathon Mar 31 2009 03:24 PM played under the reign of different official METS logos...? SteveJRogers Mar 31 2009 03:40 PM FOR THE LOVE OF GOD JUST GIVE THE DAMN ANSWER! batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 04:29 PM Okay ... this is the last batch of hints and comments I'll make. Sometime tomorrow, I'll post the answer. ="Edgy DC":2h2aw5er]Cash checks from three different ownership groups?[/quote:2h2aw5er] I liked this guess, even though it was incorrect. The answer to this question is much more obvious and accessible. ="Met Hunter":2h2aw5er]I think it has something to do with being on a LCS team or winner.[/quote:2h2aw5er] I also liked Met Hunter's guess, even though the answer has nothing to do with being on an LCS team or on a winner and even though MH's answer wasn't even an answer, but a request for another hint. But I think that Met Hunter's approach to answering the question might have been the best one, even if I'm guessing here, myself. I guess that I don't really know what MH's reasons or methods were for answering the question the way he did. But I liked his comment. If you phrase the answer so as to include Tom Seaver as one of the Mets that did this three times, then by that same phrasing, Jim Palmer did this six times with the Orioles, and the trio of Glavine, Smoltz and Maddux each did it six times as a Brave. I'm still trying to figure out whether there's any consolation in being called a sadist respectfully, as opposed to the regular way. Met Hunter Mar 31 2009 04:42 PM There are a few reasons why I'm thinking this way. First of all, you mention the 69 coaches, so an on field feat is out. Then you mentioned that a Met could only do this four times. Like the 4 Met pennants. Buddy being the coach on one of them. But since no Met could do all four that was out. Maybe a playoff appearance? There were no LCSs in Babe Ruth's day. Belanger was in 6 LCSs with Balto. But then Ojeda never did it. So that's out. Dwight Bernard was a short timer, but he played when Milwaukee was a playoff team. Hmmm. Every guess, every lead, has a hole. I was hoping it isn't something dopey like being on the cover of a yearbook. G-Fafif Mar 31 2009 04:51 PM Played with/coached a Hall of Famer? With/for a Hall of Famer in the World Series? Wayne Garrett had three Hall of Famers in that regard: Seaver, Mays, Ryan (if we're not counting managers). Harrelson would have those guys plus Carter, when he coached, making it four. I haven't value-tested every guy (why not Tug...because he didn't pitch in '69 WS, perhaps), so maybe not, but Dwight Bernard played in a WS with Molitor and Yount, so...I have no idea. batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 04:57 PM ="G-Fafif":3bt9357t]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:3bt9357t] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider). batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 04:59 PM ="G-Fafif":l26i4i4l]Played with/coached a Hall of Famer? With/for a Hall of Famer in the World Series? Wayne Garrett had three Hall of Famers in that regard: Seaver, Mays, Ryan (if we're not counting managers). Harrelson would have those guys plus Carter, when he coached, making it four. I haven't value-tested every guy (why not Tug...because he didn't pitch in '69 WS, perhaps), so maybe not, but Dwight Bernard played in a WS with Molitor and Yount, so...I have no idea.[/quote:l26i4i4l] Did you just add this stuff? Anyway, it's got nothing to do with HOF'ers. And remember -- Babe Ruth never did it. G-Fafif Mar 31 2009 05:01 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":1wu9ddve]="G-Fafif":1wu9ddve]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:1wu9ddve] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:1wu9ddve] Yeah, that occurred to me after. But Spahn, Berra, Snider did not play in WS as Mets. Only Mets HoFers to play in WS as Mets were Nolan, Willie, Tom and Gary; Yogi coached and managed in WS. I don't know that Schmidt played with six HoFers in WS (Carlton, Perez, Morgan...eph the Phils). batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 05:07 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":3qmgs4ht]="G-Fafif":3qmgs4ht]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:3qmgs4ht] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:3qmgs4ht] Kranepool played with those three, plus Ryan, Seaver and Mays -- six HOFers in all, not including HOF managers and coaches (Hornsby, Stengel) batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 05:09 PM ="G-Fafif":3fpqzwke]="batmagadanleadoff":3fpqzwke]="G-Fafif":3fpqzwke]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:3fpqzwke] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:3fpqzwke] Yeah, that occurred to me after. But Spahn, Berra, Snider did not play in WS as Mets. Only Mets HoFers to play in WS as Mets were Nolan, Willie, Tom and Gary; Yogi coached and managed in WS. I don't know that Schmidt played with six HoFers in WS (Carlton, Perez, Morgan...eph the Phils).[/quote:3fpqzwke] I see. We're playing leapfrog with our posts. Well, it doesn't have anything to do with HOFers, no matter how you slice it. SteveJRogers Mar 31 2009 05:10 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 31 2009 05:12 PM I'm fixated on Buddy's Gold Glove image. Does it have something to do with Met award winners? Huh, or maybe All Star Game Starts... AH HA... All Star Game selections made by someone other than fan voting perhaps? batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 05:12 PM ="SteveJRogers"]I'm fixated on Buddy's Gold Glove image. Does it have something to do with Met award winners? Hey! This isn't What's My Line? G-Fafif Mar 31 2009 05:14 PM SteveJRogers Mar 31 2009 05:16 PM Be in uniform for Opening Day proper (Game 1 of 162) at Shea Stadium? That doesn't make much sense now that I think of it... Didn't it use to alternate until like the last few years the Mets have opened on the road for whatever reason? MFS62 Mar 31 2009 05:24 PM How about that all participated in a game that opened a new staduim? Later Edgy DC Mar 31 2009 05:24 PM These guys, at least three times, have attended the funeral of a Met Hall of Famer. Dead Mets Hall of Famers: Tommie Agee Gil Hodges Tug McGraw Bob Murphy Johnny Murphy Lindsey Nelson Joan Whitney Payson Bill Shea Casey Stengel George Weiss OlerudOwned Mar 31 2009 11:24 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":3ces6an7]="G-Fafif":3ces6an7]Played with/coached a Hall of Famer? With/for a Hall of Famer in the World Series? Wayne Garrett had three Hall of Famers in that regard: Seaver, Mays, Ryan (if we're not counting managers). Harrelson would have those guys plus Carter, when he coached, making it four. I haven't value-tested every guy (why not Tug...because he didn't pitch in '69 WS, perhaps), so maybe not, but Dwight Bernard played in a WS with Molitor and Yount, so...I have no idea.[/quote:3ces6an7] Did you just add this stuff? Anyway, it's got nothing to do with HOF'ers. And remember -- Babe Ruth never did it.[/quote:3ces6an7] Touched their own toes. TheOldMole Apr 01 2009 06:28 AM Can we give up? Benjamin Grimm Apr 01 2009 07:08 AM We're trying. MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:13 AM Is it a coincidence that he said he would reveal the answer today? April Fools Day? What if there is no answer? Pitchfiorks and torches. Who's with me? Later seawolf17 Apr 01 2009 07:19 AM I don't mean this in a bad way, but if a trivia question takes sixteen hints and ninety posts without anyone sniffing an answer, I think it's a bit of trivia that would get you fired from the "Jeopardy" clue crew. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 07:23 AM Alright already. I'll post the answer in about 20 minutes. I would've really liked for someone to have solved the question. Reallly. I didn't set out to be a stumper. Or a sadist. The answer's so easy that when I post it, I guarantee that everyone on this forum will be able to confirm the accuracy of the answer mentally, without having to reference any printed source. metirish Apr 01 2009 07:27 AM Oh just give us the fucking answer for fucks sake , it can only be a disapointment at this stage. MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:34 AM Come on already. I'm putting curare on my pitchfork. Later batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 07:42 AM What do the following Mets -and no other Mets- have in common: Ed Kranepool, Jerry Koosman, Bud Harrelson, Jerry Grote, Wayne Garrett and Rusty Staub? Hint #5 - Whatever it is that these Mets have in common (Ed Kranepool, Jerry Koosman, Bud Harrelson, Jerry Grote, Wayne Garrett, Rusty Staub and depending on how the answer is phrased - Tom Seaver), they did it three times. Hint #6 - Actually, Bud Harrelson did it four times; thrice as a player and once as a manager/coach. But for the purpose of this question, I only counted the three times Bud did it as a player. The answer is ����. They all played for the Mets in a season --three times-- in which one of their teammates won the Cy Young Award. (Hint #13. Bud Harrelson did it four times. This is the maximum possible number of times that any Met could have accomplished this whatever you wanna call it.) Bud Harrelson did it four times. He played for the Mets for all three of Seaver�s Cy�s, and was a coach for the Mets in �85, the year that Gooden won his Cy Young award. Seaver, of course, can�t be his own teammate, so the answer would have to be re-phrased to work around the word �teammate� in order to include him: something like �these Mets played for the Mets in seasons when a Met won that year�s Cy Young award. ="Edgy DC"]Rusty Staub is the key here, as he is the only non-'69er. This is as good a time as any to segue into hint #7. Hint #7. Rusty's path to this "accomplishment" ("accomplishment" for lack of a better term) was slightly different than that off all the other Mets in the question. All but Rusty were teammates of Seaver in each of the three years when Seaver won the award (�69, �73 and �75). Staub missed Seaver�s first Cy but came back for a second stint with the team in the 80�s and was Gooden�s teammate for Doc�s Cy campaign in �85, Staub�s last season as a major leaguer. Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. Hint #8. Earlier, I wrote that Cleon Jones just missed making the list. Cleon's omission from the list is a technicality based on the way I chose to phrase the answer, more than anything else. I could rephrase the answer so as to include Cleon Jones. The inclusion of Cleon would then leave about a dozen or so Mets who "accomplished" this bit of trivia twice. Of those dozen or so, the Mets that came the closest to making the list (Kranepool, Koosman, Harrelson, Grote, Garrett, Staub - Seaver & Jones depending on how the answer is phrased) without actually making it are, in no particular order, Ken Boswell, Tug McGraw and Duffy Dyer. Hint #9. Under the narrower Jonesless version of this trivia question, Cleon misses the cut by a few months. Cleon was a Met in �69, �73 and �75, so he�s part of the answer. In my original answer, I excluded Cleon because he wasn�t on the Mets for the entire �75 season. I thought that by including partial seasons, the answer would include too many Mets, and the question would be too confusing. Really. But as it turned out, Cleon was the only Met affected by allowing partial seasons. Boswell, McGraw and Dyer were Mets for Seaver�s first two awards; their careers as Mets concluded at the end of the �74 season. Hint #10. As I said, Bud Harrelson did this four times as a Met, if you include his roster stints as coach and/or manager. Including all Met managerial and coaching stints, add Yogi Berra, Rube Walker, Joe Pignatano and Eddie Yost as Mets who did this three times. All four were in Mets uniforms for each of Seaver�s three Cy Young awards. ="batmagadanleadoff"] Hint #16. Yogi did it four times as a Yankee. Hint #17. For most of Yogi's Yankee days, this was twice as hard to do as it is now, if not outright impossible. Hint #18. Babe Ruth never did it. So -- George Thomas 3, George Herman 0. Did anyone ever notice how the greatest Met and Yankee are both named George, and how they were both commonly referred to as something other than George? Yogi played for the Yankees in 1958 when Bob Turley won the Cy Young award and in 1961, when Whitey Ford won the award. He coached the Yankees in 1977 when Sparky Lyle won the award and the following season, when Ron Guidry won it. The award didn�t exist prior to 1956, and between 1956 and 1966, only one award was given, instead of the two that are now awarded, -- one for each league. Hint #20. Dwight Bernard did it twice in his career; never as a N.Y. Met. Bernard�s MLB career consisted of two seasons with the Mets (�79 and �80) and then the following two seasons with the Brewers as teammates of Cy Young award winners Rollie Fingers (�81) and Pete Vuckovich (�82). Hint #19. Tommy Davis did it seven times in his career; never as a N.Y. Met. Tommy Davis was a teammate of the following Cy Young award winners in the same seasons that the pitchers won the award: Don Drysdale (�62) Sandy Koufax (�63, �65, �66) Vida Blue (�71) Jim Palmer (73, �75) MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:50 AM Well played. Good question. Helpful clues. I'd still advise you to have someone else open your packages and start your car for you for a while. Later Zvon Apr 01 2009 12:03 PM ="batmagadanleadoff"]Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 12:10 PM ="Zvon"]="batmagadanleadoff"]Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. Welcome back, man! G-Fafif Apr 01 2009 12:44 PM The answer was kind of, sort of waiting to be divined. A couple of more weeks and I feel I would have caught on. Edgy DC Apr 01 2009 12:48 PM Agreed. Definitely by the All Star Break. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 03:02 PM If you guys weren't so impatient, my next hint would've been: Ironically, Cy Young never did this. Edgy DC May 07 2009 02:37 PM Tom Seaver Nolan Ryan Dennis Eckersley Rich Gossage Swan Swan H May 07 2009 03:14 PM WAG - Four pitchers who got a win and a save in an All-Star game. Edgy DC May 07 2009 05:25 PM I'm pretty sure this is an exclusive club (though I suspect there might be one more out there). I know that Bruce Sutter has also both won and saved an All Star game. You'd also think Sutter would be part of this list for the reasons I'm looking for, but he's not. batmagadanleadoff May 07 2009 05:28 PM Is this a trivia question? And if so, is there a Met theme (thread title)?

Threw up their hands in disgust, wondering how everything went south so quickly? Which is to say part of a Mets team that had a wild fluctuation in the standings, bad to good, then good to bad and back again? Boswell, McGraw and Dyer were all outta here before the '75 season. Jones was released during that season. Seaver plus your original five plus your coaches were there in '75 (but Yogi didn't last out that year, so hung was he). All but Staub played for Gil Hodges.

Anything to do with Shea?

="metirish":2pwumxb3]="G-Fafif":2pwumxb3]Does this have anything to do with Met managers?[/quote:2pwumxb3] All six were hung like Yogi?[/quote:2pwumxb3] Cleon and Tug just missed the cut. But not Art Shamsky! I'm thinking something about multiple in-season managerial changes or interim managers is the common thread. One would have to include the brief fill-in tenure of Rube Walker in '68 to make this work, I think. Also, Garrett was gone before Frazier gave way to Torre, so I may be off here. batmagadanleadoff Mar 26 2009 01:59 PM ="G-Fafif":3chkgx1f]Does this have anything to do with Met managers?[/quote:3chkgx1f] The answer doesn't. But here's hint #10, which does have something to do with managers. [u:3chkgx1f]Hint #10[/u:3chkgx1f]. As I said, Bud Harrelson did this four times as a Met, if you include his roster stints as coach and/or manager. Including all Met managerial and coaching stints, add Yogi Berra, Rube Walker, Joe Pignatano and Eddie Yost as Mets who did this three times. batmagadanleadoff Mar 26 2009 02:01 PM ="metirish":30ysumtj]All six were hung like Yogi?[/quote:30ysumtj] There's nothing quite like Yogi. Never was. Never will be. G-Fafif Mar 26 2009 02:18 PM Anything to do with Shea? LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 26 2009 02:23 PM (Four) Appearances on Kiner's Korner? G-Fafif Mar 26 2009 02:31 PM Threw up their hands in disgust, wondering how everything went south so quickly? Which is to say part of a Mets team that had a wild fluctuation in the standings, bad to good, then good to bad and back again? Boswell, McGraw and Dyer were all outta here before the '75 season. Jones was released during that season. Seaver plus your original five plus your coaches were there in '75 (but Yogi didn't last out that year, so hung was he). All but Staub played for Gil Hodges. MFS62 Mar 26 2009 02:33 PM They all played for a last place team and a pennant winning team. Later G-Fafif Mar 26 2009 02:39 PM ="MFS62":2fhw62t1]They all played for a last place team and a pennant winning team. Later[/quote:2fhw62t1] Wayne Garrett didn't play for a last-place Mets team. Maybe next-to-last place is what's going on here, though Tug was on the '66 Mets (but not '68 Mets). batmagadanleadoff Mar 26 2009 02:43 PM ="G-Fafif":2t9ocdb9]Anything to do with Shea?[/quote:2t9ocdb9] Other than that those Mets played all of their home games there? No. ="LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr":2t9ocdb9](Four) Appearances on Kiner's Korner?[/quote:2t9ocdb9] Steve Henderson probably appeared on Kiner's Korner about a dozen times before the end of his first month as a Met. ="G-Fafif":2t9ocdb9] Cleon and Tug just missed the cut. But not Art Shamsky![/quote:2t9ocdb9] Art Shamsky did it just once. Bob Ojeda never did it. That was hint #11. And 12. [u:2t9ocdb9]Hint #13[/u:2t9ocdb9]. Bud Harrelson did it four times. This is the maximum possible number of times that any Met could have accomplished this whatever you wanna call it. [u:2t9ocdb9]Hint #14[/u:2t9ocdb9]. I just did a quick check of modern baseball history and I noticed that among everyday players, Mark Belanger did it six times with the Orioles. And according to the looser version that would include Cleon Jones, Mike Schmidt also did it six times. I can't think of any modern everyday player that could've accomplished this more than six times, but I won't rule it out, because I didn't research the other teams thoroughly enough to say for sure. G-Fafif Mar 26 2009 02:54 PM ]Cleon and Tug just missed the cut. But not Art Shamsky! Wait, we're not talking about Yogi Berra's newly known attribute? 'Cause if we are, I'm thinking Shamsky, Joe Ginsberg, Shawn Green...there was some cutting going on when they were bonus babies. (I hate myself sometimes.) batmagadanleadoff Mar 26 2009 03:17 PM ="G-Fafif"]]Cleon and Tug just missed the cut. But not Art Shamsky! Wait, we're not talking about Yogi Berra's newly known attribute? 'Cause if we are, I'm thinking Shamsky, Joe Ginsberg, Shawn Green...there was some cutting going on when they were bonus babies. (I hate myself sometimes.) I was being circumspect. G-Fafif Mar 26 2009 03:29 PM ="batmagadanleadoff"]="G-Fafif"]]Cleon and Tug just missed the cut. But not Art Shamsky! Wait, we're not talking about Yogi Berra's newly known attribute? 'Cause if we are, I'm thinking Shamsky, Joe Ginsberg, Shawn Green...there was some cutting going on when they were bonus babies. (I hate myself sometimes.) I was being circumspect. To Shea. Which is where all those guys played, but nothing more. batmagadanleadoff Mar 26 2009 04:56 PM ="G-Fafif":3flx9u20]To Shea.[/quote:3flx9u20] Touch�. To Shea. batmagadanleadoff Mar 27 2009 09:01 AM [u:2fpqm5aj]Hint #15[/u:2fpqm5aj]. Here's how many times Met managers did it: Bud Harrelson -4 Yogi Berra - 3 Gil Hodges - 1 Roy McMillan -1 Joe Torre -1 Davey Johnson - 1 Bobby Valentine - 1 All other Met Managers - 0 But I'm not saying whether these managers did it as managers, coaches or players, or some combination - other than Harrelson, where it was already hinted that Bud did it three times as a player and once as a manager/coach. Other than Johnson, all of those managers also either played or coached (or both) for the Mets. MFS62 Mar 27 2009 10:21 AM I think by now, you could give us the answer as a hint, and we still wouldn't get it. Later batmagadanleadoff Mar 27 2009 10:47 AM ="batmagadanleadoff":1vx4xyze][u:1vx4xyze]Hint #15[/u:1vx4xyze]. Here's how many times Met managers did it: Bud Harrelson -4 Yogi Berra - 3 Gil Hodges - 1 Roy McMillan -1 Joe Torre -1 Davey Johnson - 1 Bobby Valentine - 1 All other Met Managers - 0 But I'm not saying whether these managers did it as managers, coaches or players, or some combination - other than Harrelson, where it was already hinted that Bud did it three times as a player and once as a manager/coach. Other than Johnson, all of those managers also either played or coached (or both) for the Mets.[/quote:1vx4xyze] I made a mistake. Roy McMillan did it twice. Benjamin Grimm Mar 27 2009 11:05 AM I Googled "things Roy McMillan did twice." He was named to the NL All-Star team twice. He wouldn't think twice about shooting Booker. He watched Oden work out twice in the summer. He descended a waterfall twice as high as Niagara. Twice a week he sits in a lawn chair while the clinic gets calls from women. Edgy DC Mar 27 2009 11:13 AM That last one was gonna be my next guess. batmagadanleadoff Mar 27 2009 11:52 AM ="Benjamin Grimm":3niay9n1]I Googled "things Roy McMillan did twice."[/quote:3niay9n1] I didn't plan this ahead of time, but my trivia question appears to be google-proof. Anyone googling here is either confirming a correct response or eliminating a wrong one. But the answer itself is not googleable - or at least not googleable by submitting the question as a search term. [u:3niay9n1]Hint #16[/u:3niay9n1]. Yogi did it four times as a Yankee. [u:3niay9n1]Hint #17[/u:3niay9n1]. For most of Yogi's Yankee days, this was twice as hard to do as it is now, if not outright impossible. [u:3niay9n1]Hint #18[/u:3niay9n1]. Babe Ruth never did it. So -- George Thomas 3, George Herman 0. Did anyone ever notice how the greatest Met and Yankee are both named George, and how they were both commonly referred to as something other than George? Met Hunter Mar 27 2009 04:02 PM I think it has something to do with being on a LCS team or winner. TheOldMole Mar 27 2009 09:15 PM Things Tad did twice: He circled the room twice and then exited He was made that guy by Dre twice this week. batmagadanleadoff Mar 28 2009 01:21 PM ="TheOldMole":32culie7]Things Tad did twice: He circled the room twice and then exited He was made that guy by Dre twice this week.[/quote:32culie7] You're not taking this seriously, are you? [u:32culie7]Hint #19[/u:32culie7]. Tommy Davis did it seven times in his career; never as a N.Y. Met. batmagadanleadoff Mar 28 2009 01:28 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":1dd6hoe3]="TheOldMole":1dd6hoe3]Things Tad did twice: He circled the room twice and then exited He was made that guy by Dre twice this week.[/quote:1dd6hoe3] You're not taking this seriously, are you? [u:1dd6hoe3]Hint #19[/u:1dd6hoe3]. Tommy Davis did it seven times in his career; never as a N.Y. Met.[/quote:1dd6hoe3] [u:1dd6hoe3]Hint #20[/u:1dd6hoe3]. Dwight Bernard did it twice in his career; never as a N.Y. Met. Edgy DC Mar 28 2009 01:47 PM The answer is, obviously, appearing on the cover of the Mets' yearbook. Rusty Staub is the odd man out, because he actually appeared on the cover of a Mets yearbook in a visitor's uniform, sliding into Jerry Grote or something. SteveJRogers Mar 28 2009 01:57 PM ="Edgy DC"]The answer is, obviously, appearing on the cover of the Mets' yearbook. Rusty Staub is the odd man out, because he actually appeared on the cover of a Mets yearbook in a visitor's uniform, sliding into Jerry Grote or something. ] Hint #2. Note that Tug McGraw and Cleon Jones are not included in the question. This last hint might help you to avoid wrong answers, more than anything else. Edgy DC Mar 28 2009 02:02 PM Yes, thanks for you non-speaking point. Whle I'm certain that my "obvious" answer is wrong, I believe his statment was that they did something at least three times, so one appearance by another would not be a disqualifier. Nonetheless, Jose Reyes has probably hogged three covers by now. How about you let the quiz guy knock me down? SteveJRogers Mar 28 2009 02:05 PM Hmmm From Baseball-Almanac's Bud Harrelson's 1965 page ]On the road, Bud Harrelson appeared in 10 games, had 20 at-bats, drove in 0 runs, scored 3 times, had 2 hits (1 doubles / 0 triples / 0 home runs), walked 1 times (0 intentional), struck out 5 times, was hit by a pitcher 0 times, sacrificed 0 times (0 hits & 0 flies), stole 5 bases, was caught stealing 4 times, ground into 5 double plays, and finished at home with a .1 batting average, .142 on base percentage and .15 slugging average? Caught stealing in a single season? batmagadanleadoff Mar 28 2009 02:09 PM ="Edgy DC":1ycfndin]The answer is, obviously, appearing on the cover of the Mets' yearbook. Rusty Staub is the odd man out, because he actually appeared on the cover of a Mets yearbook in a visitor's uniform, sliding into Jerry Grote or something.[/quote:1ycfndin] Staub never appeared on any cover of a Met yearbook as a visitor. And it wouldn't count even if he did, because the answer concerns something done as a Met. You're thinking of the 1971 yearbook cover, featuring a Dodger sliding into the plate (Willie -- Crawford or Davis, I think). Coincidentally and during his Expo days, Staub was a fixture in that section of Mets season ticket brochures that would feature the visiting star players that were to appear at Shea. I always wondered if Met scouts were inspired by those pamphlets because over the next few seasons, the team went and got almost all of those featured visiting stars, even if it was usually, though not in Staub's case, a day late and a dollar short. (Staub, Mays, Torre) Too bad they didn't get Willie Stargell. Edgy DC Mar 28 2009 02:12 PM So I guess you're saying I'm wrong? There were two play-at-the-plate covers --- the second one features Stoins failng to tag out a hook-sliding Cub (I think a Cub). But now that I think of it, I'm pretty sure the Dodger opponent was black, and and the Cub opponent was Latino. And, of course, Staub never played for either team. batmagadanleadoff Mar 28 2009 02:14 PM ="Edgy DC":1esaa9by]So I guess you're saying I'm wrong?[/quote:1esaa9by] I don't wanna take away any credit from Rogers. batmagadanleadoff Mar 28 2009 10:35 PM ="SteveJRogers"]Hmmm From Baseball-Almanac's Bud Harrelson's 1965 page ]On the road, Bud Harrelson appeared in 10 games, had 20 at-bats, drove in 0 runs, scored 3 times, had 2 hits (1 doubles / 0 triples / 0 home runs), walked 1 times (0 intentional), struck out 5 times, was hit by a pitcher 0 times, sacrificed 0 times (0 hits & 0 flies), stole 5 bases, was caught stealing 4 times, ground into 5 double plays, and finished at home with a .1 batting average, .142 on base percentage and .15 slugging average? Caught stealing in a single season? I must have missed this post before. In order for your answer to work, the Mets that are the answer to this question (or question to the answer) (Kranepool, Koosman, Grote, Staub, Harrelson, Garrett - and depending on how the answer is phrased, Seaver, plus Cleon by relaxing the standard, plus Berra, Pignatano, Yost and Walker if you wanna include coaches and/or managers) must have done something three times -- in your answer, I assume that you mean being caught stealing four bases over three separate seasons, as the original question states that no Met player did it more than three times. But I also hinted that both Harrelson and Davey Johnson did it once each as either a manager or coach. Since managers or coaches don't steal bases, and don't get caught stealing bases, and neither Harrelson or Davey were player/coach-managers like Joe Torre once was, this would tend to wreck it for you. Davey could never have been caught stealing four bases for the Mets in any season, let alone three seasons, because Davey never played for the Mets. I also hinted that Harreslon's "four times" represents the maximum number of times that any Met could have possibly done this. This would also tend to negate your response because the only theoretical limit on the number of times a players might get caught stealing precisely four times in a single season would be the number of season's the player played. Thus, for example, Ed Kranepool could have theoretically been caught stealing four bases in a season, 18 times - once for each of the 18 seasons he played for the Mets. Also, Tom Seaver was never, ever caught stealing a base throughout his entire career, let alone three bases in one season in three different seasons. Also, I hinted that Mike Schmidt did this six times in his career. Yet Mike Schmidt was caught stealing four bases in a season, just once -- in his repeat MVP season of 1981. Now if you weren't referring to seasons, but simply referring to Harrelson' s four caught stealings in 1965 as the answer, then this would have to be the highest number of CS in a season in Met history, and the highest possible number of times that a Met could get caught stealing in a season. And Davey Johnson would have had to have been caught stealing four bases in a season as a Met in order for your response to be reconciled with all of the hints. You were close, though. Nice try. Edgy DC Mar 29 2009 11:21 AM ]I also hinted that Harreslon's "four times" represents the maximum number of times that any Met could have possibly done this. Things one can theoreticall only do four times: 1) You can only appear in a game in four different seasons of the year. 2) You can only be permantently banished from a province of Ireland four times. 3) You can only lose a limb fout times. 5) You can only kill a Beatle four times. And now, not even. MFS62 Mar 29 2009 12:31 PM About the answer. Is this something that when we hear it, we'll slap ourselves in the forehead and say,"Shit, how could I not know that?" Or is this something really obscure? Later batmagadanleadoff Mar 29 2009 02:12 PM ="MFS62":2uzr4589]About the answer. Is this something that when we hear it, we'll slap ourselves in the forehead and say,"Shit, how could I not know that?" Or is this something really obscure?[/quote:2uzr4589] I don't know. But if this is your idea of a Mets trivia question, perhaps some hints are in order. batmagadanleadoff Mar 29 2009 02:13 PM ="Met Hunter":yxvwkmgj]I think it has something to do with being on a LCS team or winner.[/quote:yxvwkmgj] On the one hand, your answer is wrong, and not even close. But in some respects, your answer is closer than any of the other answers submitted. batmagadanleadoff Mar 29 2009 02:16 PM ="Edgy DC"]]I also hinted that Harreslon's "four times" represents the maximum number of times that any Met could have possibly done this. Things one can theoreticall only do four times: 1) You can only appear in a game in four different seasons of the year. 2) You can only be permantently banished from a province of Ireland four times. 3) You can only lose a limb fout times. 5) You can only kill a Beatle four times. And now, not even. Ironically, you skipped the fourth thing that one can do four times. MFS62 Mar 29 2009 02:31 PM They finished in sixth place. Can't be done any more, since there are only four teams in a division. Later Edgy DC Mar 29 2009 02:39 PM 4) Um, you can only watch four seasons of Judd Hirsch in Dear John. G-Fafif Mar 29 2009 02:50 PM ="MFS62":3rc41gmb]They finished in sixth place. Can't be done any more, since there are only four teams in a division.[/quote:3rc41gmb] Wayne Garrett never finished in sixth place as a Met. (Perhaps it's because my CF brick is in Section 11 that I keep focusing like a laser on Mr. Garrett's participation in this question.) None of those guys was ever in my kitchen either. Buddy Harrelson has never been in my kitchen at least four times. batmagadanleadoff Mar 29 2009 02:52 PM ="MFS62":3pps8etg]They finished in sixth place. Can't be done any more, since there are only four teams in a division. Later[/quote:3pps8etg] Wayne Garrett (three times) was never a part of a 6th place Mets team. Neither were Berra or Yost. None of the other Mets were on 6th place Mets teams, three times. batmagadanleadoff Mar 29 2009 02:54 PM ="MFS62":22v9j71q] Or is this something really obscure?[/quote:22v9j71q] I don't think so. Really. batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 11:29 AM Hint #21. This wouldn't necessarily be the best hint I've provided, but a clue to the theme of this trivia question does appear in the cover of the 1993 Met yearbook. So, once again -- What did the following Mets -and no other Mets- do three times (as Mets): Ed Kranepool, Jerry Koosman, Bud Harrelson, Jerry Grote, Wayne Garrett, Rusty Staub, Cleon Jones and Tom Seaver, depending on how the answer is phrased? (Plus Berra, Pignatano, Yost and Walker, counting managers/coaches. But then, Harrelson did it four times instead of three.) John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 31 2009 11:33 AM Wear 3 different style/makes of Mets unis? batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 11:37 AM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":ct5jqyqq]Wear 3 different style/makes of Mets unis?[/quote:ct5jqyqq] You'd have to define styles, but it's not the answer. Any Met who played through most of the 90's (Franco, Hundley) wore more than four different uni styles. Fman99 Mar 31 2009 11:45 AM In as respectful a voice as possible, I'd like to indicate that I no longer care what the answer and think you're just a sadist for dragging this on for so many pages. It's like watching a horse with a broken leg limp down the home stretch. Just send this thread to the glue factory please. batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 11:52 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 31 2009 12:03 PM ="Fman99":14t2ivit]In as respectful a voice as possible, I'd like to indicate that I no longer care what the answer and think you're just a sadist for dragging this on for so many pages.[/quote:14t2ivit] If you thought I was a sadist before I wrote this post, you're gonna think even worse when I tell you that I figured this question would drag on all Summer. Actually, I think the answer, surrounded by all the clues, is obvious. You'll see when I post the answer, but I'm surprised no one's gotten it yet. (Though, I didn't expect anybody to get it without any clues). Are trivia stumpers really sadists? I think that's harsh. Ouch! John Cougar Lunchbucket Mar 31 2009 11:55 AM I will say all the clues out there just made it more convoluted for me. I woulda made more gusses without all of them gumming up my brain. Benjamin Grimm Mar 31 2009 12:10 PM I think it may be time to flip the cards. OlerudOwned Mar 31 2009 12:10 PM Play during an anniversary season? Fuck if I know? Edgy DC Mar 31 2009 12:20 PM Cash checks from three different ownership groups? batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 12:31 PM [u:2z8yrec9]Hint # Last[/u:2z8yrec9]. Sigh. batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 12:35 PM ="Edgy DC":2jou5jz3]Cash checks from three different ownership groups?[/quote:2jou5jz3] That's interesting. The Payson Group. The De Roulets. Doubleday. Then Wilpon. Would you have a fifth group for the period when Doubleday and Wilpon were equal 50% owners? It wouldn't work, though. Stearns, for example, was a Met under all four groups; Cleon - just Payson. Edgy DC Mar 31 2009 12:43 PM I tried. Yeah, I count five different ownership entities under four different controlling partners --- Payson - DeRoulet/Payson - Doubleday, Inc. - Doubleday/Wilpon - Wilpon. It was as guess, and I thought maybe possibly right depending on how toruturously you defined things. Zvon Mar 31 2009 02:27 PM Sorry I didn't see this earlier. Don't give away the answer! I'm keen to guess! metsmarathon Mar 31 2009 03:24 PM played under the reign of different official METS logos...? SteveJRogers Mar 31 2009 03:40 PM FOR THE LOVE OF GOD JUST GIVE THE DAMN ANSWER! batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 04:29 PM Okay ... this is the last batch of hints and comments I'll make. Sometime tomorrow, I'll post the answer. ="Edgy DC":2h2aw5er]Cash checks from three different ownership groups?[/quote:2h2aw5er] I liked this guess, even though it was incorrect. The answer to this question is much more obvious and accessible. ="Met Hunter":2h2aw5er]I think it has something to do with being on a LCS team or winner.[/quote:2h2aw5er] I also liked Met Hunter's guess, even though the answer has nothing to do with being on an LCS team or on a winner and even though MH's answer wasn't even an answer, but a request for another hint. But I think that Met Hunter's approach to answering the question might have been the best one, even if I'm guessing here, myself. I guess that I don't really know what MH's reasons or methods were for answering the question the way he did. But I liked his comment. If you phrase the answer so as to include Tom Seaver as one of the Mets that did this three times, then by that same phrasing, Jim Palmer did this six times with the Orioles, and the trio of Glavine, Smoltz and Maddux each did it six times as a Brave. I'm still trying to figure out whether there's any consolation in being called a sadist respectfully, as opposed to the regular way. Met Hunter Mar 31 2009 04:42 PM There are a few reasons why I'm thinking this way. First of all, you mention the 69 coaches, so an on field feat is out. Then you mentioned that a Met could only do this four times. Like the 4 Met pennants. Buddy being the coach on one of them. But since no Met could do all four that was out. Maybe a playoff appearance? There were no LCSs in Babe Ruth's day. Belanger was in 6 LCSs with Balto. But then Ojeda never did it. So that's out. Dwight Bernard was a short timer, but he played when Milwaukee was a playoff team. Hmmm. Every guess, every lead, has a hole. I was hoping it isn't something dopey like being on the cover of a yearbook. G-Fafif Mar 31 2009 04:51 PM Played with/coached a Hall of Famer? With/for a Hall of Famer in the World Series? Wayne Garrett had three Hall of Famers in that regard: Seaver, Mays, Ryan (if we're not counting managers). Harrelson would have those guys plus Carter, when he coached, making it four. I haven't value-tested every guy (why not Tug...because he didn't pitch in '69 WS, perhaps), so maybe not, but Dwight Bernard played in a WS with Molitor and Yount, so...I have no idea. batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 04:57 PM ="G-Fafif":3bt9357t]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:3bt9357t] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider). batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 04:59 PM ="G-Fafif":l26i4i4l]Played with/coached a Hall of Famer? With/for a Hall of Famer in the World Series? Wayne Garrett had three Hall of Famers in that regard: Seaver, Mays, Ryan (if we're not counting managers). Harrelson would have those guys plus Carter, when he coached, making it four. I haven't value-tested every guy (why not Tug...because he didn't pitch in '69 WS, perhaps), so maybe not, but Dwight Bernard played in a WS with Molitor and Yount, so...I have no idea.[/quote:l26i4i4l] Did you just add this stuff? Anyway, it's got nothing to do with HOF'ers. And remember -- Babe Ruth never did it. G-Fafif Mar 31 2009 05:01 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":1wu9ddve]="G-Fafif":1wu9ddve]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:1wu9ddve] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:1wu9ddve] Yeah, that occurred to me after. But Spahn, Berra, Snider did not play in WS as Mets. Only Mets HoFers to play in WS as Mets were Nolan, Willie, Tom and Gary; Yogi coached and managed in WS. I don't know that Schmidt played with six HoFers in WS (Carlton, Perez, Morgan...eph the Phils). batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 05:07 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":3qmgs4ht]="G-Fafif":3qmgs4ht]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:3qmgs4ht] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:3qmgs4ht] Kranepool played with those three, plus Ryan, Seaver and Mays -- six HOFers in all, not including HOF managers and coaches (Hornsby, Stengel) batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 05:09 PM ="G-Fafif":3fpqzwke]="batmagadanleadoff":3fpqzwke]="G-Fafif":3fpqzwke]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:3fpqzwke] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:3fpqzwke] Yeah, that occurred to me after. But Spahn, Berra, Snider did not play in WS as Mets. Only Mets HoFers to play in WS as Mets were Nolan, Willie, Tom and Gary; Yogi coached and managed in WS. I don't know that Schmidt played with six HoFers in WS (Carlton, Perez, Morgan...eph the Phils).[/quote:3fpqzwke] I see. We're playing leapfrog with our posts. Well, it doesn't have anything to do with HOFers, no matter how you slice it. SteveJRogers Mar 31 2009 05:10 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 31 2009 05:12 PM I'm fixated on Buddy's Gold Glove image. Does it have something to do with Met award winners? Huh, or maybe All Star Game Starts... AH HA... All Star Game selections made by someone other than fan voting perhaps? batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 05:12 PM ="SteveJRogers"]I'm fixated on Buddy's Gold Glove image. Does it have something to do with Met award winners? Hey! This isn't What's My Line? G-Fafif Mar 31 2009 05:14 PM SteveJRogers Mar 31 2009 05:16 PM Be in uniform for Opening Day proper (Game 1 of 162) at Shea Stadium? That doesn't make much sense now that I think of it... Didn't it use to alternate until like the last few years the Mets have opened on the road for whatever reason? MFS62 Mar 31 2009 05:24 PM How about that all participated in a game that opened a new staduim? Later Edgy DC Mar 31 2009 05:24 PM These guys, at least three times, have attended the funeral of a Met Hall of Famer. Dead Mets Hall of Famers: Tommie Agee Gil Hodges Tug McGraw Bob Murphy Johnny Murphy Lindsey Nelson Joan Whitney Payson Bill Shea Casey Stengel George Weiss OlerudOwned Mar 31 2009 11:24 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":3ces6an7]="G-Fafif":3ces6an7]Played with/coached a Hall of Famer? With/for a Hall of Famer in the World Series? Wayne Garrett had three Hall of Famers in that regard: Seaver, Mays, Ryan (if we're not counting managers). Harrelson would have those guys plus Carter, when he coached, making it four. I haven't value-tested every guy (why not Tug...because he didn't pitch in '69 WS, perhaps), so maybe not, but Dwight Bernard played in a WS with Molitor and Yount, so...I have no idea.[/quote:3ces6an7] Did you just add this stuff? Anyway, it's got nothing to do with HOF'ers. And remember -- Babe Ruth never did it.[/quote:3ces6an7] Touched their own toes. TheOldMole Apr 01 2009 06:28 AM Can we give up? Benjamin Grimm Apr 01 2009 07:08 AM We're trying. MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:13 AM Is it a coincidence that he said he would reveal the answer today? April Fools Day? What if there is no answer? Pitchfiorks and torches. Who's with me? Later seawolf17 Apr 01 2009 07:19 AM I don't mean this in a bad way, but if a trivia question takes sixteen hints and ninety posts without anyone sniffing an answer, I think it's a bit of trivia that would get you fired from the "Jeopardy" clue crew. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 07:23 AM Alright already. I'll post the answer in about 20 minutes. I would've really liked for someone to have solved the question. Reallly. I didn't set out to be a stumper. Or a sadist. The answer's so easy that when I post it, I guarantee that everyone on this forum will be able to confirm the accuracy of the answer mentally, without having to reference any printed source. metirish Apr 01 2009 07:27 AM Oh just give us the fucking answer for fucks sake , it can only be a disapointment at this stage. MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:34 AM Come on already. I'm putting curare on my pitchfork. Later batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 07:42 AM What do the following Mets -and no other Mets- have in common: Ed Kranepool, Jerry Koosman, Bud Harrelson, Jerry Grote, Wayne Garrett and Rusty Staub? Hint #5 - Whatever it is that these Mets have in common (Ed Kranepool, Jerry Koosman, Bud Harrelson, Jerry Grote, Wayne Garrett, Rusty Staub and depending on how the answer is phrased - Tom Seaver), they did it three times. Hint #6 - Actually, Bud Harrelson did it four times; thrice as a player and once as a manager/coach. But for the purpose of this question, I only counted the three times Bud did it as a player. The answer is ����. They all played for the Mets in a season --three times-- in which one of their teammates won the Cy Young Award. (Hint #13. Bud Harrelson did it four times. This is the maximum possible number of times that any Met could have accomplished this whatever you wanna call it.) Bud Harrelson did it four times. He played for the Mets for all three of Seaver�s Cy�s, and was a coach for the Mets in �85, the year that Gooden won his Cy Young award. Seaver, of course, can�t be his own teammate, so the answer would have to be re-phrased to work around the word �teammate� in order to include him: something like �these Mets played for the Mets in seasons when a Met won that year�s Cy Young award. ="Edgy DC"]Rusty Staub is the key here, as he is the only non-'69er. This is as good a time as any to segue into hint #7. Hint #7. Rusty's path to this "accomplishment" ("accomplishment" for lack of a better term) was slightly different than that off all the other Mets in the question. All but Rusty were teammates of Seaver in each of the three years when Seaver won the award (�69, �73 and �75). Staub missed Seaver�s first Cy but came back for a second stint with the team in the 80�s and was Gooden�s teammate for Doc�s Cy campaign in �85, Staub�s last season as a major leaguer. Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. Hint #8. Earlier, I wrote that Cleon Jones just missed making the list. Cleon's omission from the list is a technicality based on the way I chose to phrase the answer, more than anything else. I could rephrase the answer so as to include Cleon Jones. The inclusion of Cleon would then leave about a dozen or so Mets who "accomplished" this bit of trivia twice. Of those dozen or so, the Mets that came the closest to making the list (Kranepool, Koosman, Harrelson, Grote, Garrett, Staub - Seaver & Jones depending on how the answer is phrased) without actually making it are, in no particular order, Ken Boswell, Tug McGraw and Duffy Dyer. Hint #9. Under the narrower Jonesless version of this trivia question, Cleon misses the cut by a few months. Cleon was a Met in �69, �73 and �75, so he�s part of the answer. In my original answer, I excluded Cleon because he wasn�t on the Mets for the entire �75 season. I thought that by including partial seasons, the answer would include too many Mets, and the question would be too confusing. Really. But as it turned out, Cleon was the only Met affected by allowing partial seasons. Boswell, McGraw and Dyer were Mets for Seaver�s first two awards; their careers as Mets concluded at the end of the �74 season. Hint #10. As I said, Bud Harrelson did this four times as a Met, if you include his roster stints as coach and/or manager. Including all Met managerial and coaching stints, add Yogi Berra, Rube Walker, Joe Pignatano and Eddie Yost as Mets who did this three times. All four were in Mets uniforms for each of Seaver�s three Cy Young awards. ="batmagadanleadoff"] Hint #16. Yogi did it four times as a Yankee. Hint #17. For most of Yogi's Yankee days, this was twice as hard to do as it is now, if not outright impossible. Hint #18. Babe Ruth never did it. So -- George Thomas 3, George Herman 0. Did anyone ever notice how the greatest Met and Yankee are both named George, and how they were both commonly referred to as something other than George? Yogi played for the Yankees in 1958 when Bob Turley won the Cy Young award and in 1961, when Whitey Ford won the award. He coached the Yankees in 1977 when Sparky Lyle won the award and the following season, when Ron Guidry won it. The award didn�t exist prior to 1956, and between 1956 and 1966, only one award was given, instead of the two that are now awarded, -- one for each league. Hint #20. Dwight Bernard did it twice in his career; never as a N.Y. Met. Bernard�s MLB career consisted of two seasons with the Mets (�79 and �80) and then the following two seasons with the Brewers as teammates of Cy Young award winners Rollie Fingers (�81) and Pete Vuckovich (�82). Hint #19. Tommy Davis did it seven times in his career; never as a N.Y. Met. Tommy Davis was a teammate of the following Cy Young award winners in the same seasons that the pitchers won the award: Don Drysdale (�62) Sandy Koufax (�63, �65, �66) Vida Blue (�71) Jim Palmer (73, �75) MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:50 AM Well played. Good question. Helpful clues. I'd still advise you to have someone else open your packages and start your car for you for a while. Later Zvon Apr 01 2009 12:03 PM ="batmagadanleadoff"]Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 12:10 PM ="Zvon"]="batmagadanleadoff"]Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. Welcome back, man! G-Fafif Apr 01 2009 12:44 PM The answer was kind of, sort of waiting to be divined. A couple of more weeks and I feel I would have caught on. Edgy DC Apr 01 2009 12:48 PM Agreed. Definitely by the All Star Break. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 03:02 PM If you guys weren't so impatient, my next hint would've been: Ironically, Cy Young never did this. Edgy DC May 07 2009 02:37 PM Tom Seaver Nolan Ryan Dennis Eckersley Rich Gossage Swan Swan H May 07 2009 03:14 PM WAG - Four pitchers who got a win and a save in an All-Star game. Edgy DC May 07 2009 05:25 PM I'm pretty sure this is an exclusive club (though I suspect there might be one more out there). I know that Bruce Sutter has also both won and saved an All Star game. You'd also think Sutter would be part of this list for the reasons I'm looking for, but he's not. batmagadanleadoff May 07 2009 05:28 PM Is this a trivia question? And if so, is there a Met theme (thread title)?

Does this have anything to do with Met managers?

I miss Al Lang. It was always sunny in St. Pete, or at least the televised version (I once went to a game that was rained out there). It always seems overcast and windy in St. Lucie, even though that's a meteorological unlikelihood. The games feel like a commodity now, stick 'em on as background noise. The games from St. Pete on Channel 9 always felt like a treat, like you really were opening a crate of oranges from Florida. They always talked about the high sky in Florida. You really got that sense at/from Al Lang. The Mets were part of a web of teams in the area: the Cards, the Jays, the Phils, the Pirates, the Reds and the White Sox within close driving distance (or walking distance where the Cardinals were concerned) and the Tigers, Red Sox and Royals not far off. Now they seem stranded in the middle of nowhere. There's more baseball talk and baseball media and baseball opportunities in the offseason now which is a plus, but I think it's diluted from how Spring Training used to hit us. Also, the WBC didn't help this year.

3. The next-afternoon rerunning of meaningless Spring Training games while perfectly good new meaningless Spring Training games are taking place.

Six guys who made it their life's work to give Cleon Jones and Tug McGraw the cold shoulder?

Mets should elevate the field of play since most of their fans will be up in the Prom. Hope seat-fillers are found so it doesn't look to desolate downstairs on television.

="TheOldMole":300nag1k]A friend of mine who was a baseball writer back in the day told me that Yogi Berra was the best-hung athlete he ever saw.[/quote:300nag1k] Imagine your agent taking that stat to arbitration. MFS62 Mar 25 2009 12:46 PM I worked with a guy who was a long time friend of MArty Appell. Marty worked in the YAnkee PR office for many years. My friend told me that not all the members on those "great" Yankee teams were great. Marty told my friend that Horace Clarke had severe shortcomings. Later Benjamin Grimm Mar 25 2009 12:49 PM This should be the "Too Much Information" thread. Edgy DC Mar 25 2009 12:53 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 25 2009 09:08 PM I think it should be the "Guys I know who tell me about other guys dicks" thread. Fman99 Mar 25 2009 08:46 PM Cut. Print. Gay. MFS62 Mar 27 2009 12:53 PM Back to Piazza. IIRC he had a "personal trainer" living with him in Spring Training a few years ago. He said the guy prepared meatless meals and "protein shakes". Y'mean that was just a sham? A coverup? Horrors! Later Benjamin Grimm Mar 27 2009 01:06 PM Are you implying that the "trainer" was a "boyfriend?" Time for another press conference! MFS62 Mar 27 2009 01:31 PM ="Benjamin Grimm":3uuccp5b]Are you implying that the "trainer" was a "boyfriend?" Time for another press conference![/quote:3uuccp5b] No! We're talking the stories about Mike on steroids here. Nothing else intended. Mike is married to a hottie. Those rumors about his sexuality were answered IMO. (Or should I say they have been put to bed?) Later LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 27 2009 01:51 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 27 2009 03:17 PM http://www.babychums.com/?p=741 Also... he's two times a daddy, so there goes the Playmate-as-beard rumor; he had to have shut the eyes and come into home standing up at least twice. If one of the kids grows up to have a biblical-scale case of bacne, does that help clear Pops? Benjamin Grimm Mar 27 2009 01:54 PM

So he confessed he used in limited doses but he denied using? And no one to whom he confessed, reporters that is, had said anything. But Reggie Jefferson is The Big Source? I'm numb to this issue. This is not "say it ain't so, Mike" in my eyes. If it happened, it happened. He wasn't a dick during his career, I hope he doesn't suffer long-term effects and I'm still glad he played for my team.

Pearlman "revelations" here. Anyone particularly surprised? Relevant passage: ] As the hundreds of major league ballplayers who turned to performance-enhancing drugs throughout the 1990s did their absolute best to keep the media at arm's length, Piazza took the opposite approach. According to several sources, when the subject of performance enhancing was broached with reporters he especially trusted, Piazza fessed up. "Sure, I use," he told one. "But in limited doses, and not all that often." (Piazza has denied using performance-enhancing drugs, but there has always been speculation.) Whether or not it was Piazza's intent, the tactic was brilliant: By letting the media know, of the record, Piazza made the information that much harder to report. Writers saw his bulging muscles, his acne-covered back. They certainly heard the under-the-breath comments from other major league players, some who considered Piazza's success to be 100 percent chemically delivered. "He's a guy who did it, and everybody knows it," says Reggie Jefferson, the longtime major league first baseman. "It's amazing how all these names, like Roger Clemens, are brought up, yet Mike Piazza goes untouched." "There was nothing more obvious than Mike on steroids," says another major league veteran who played against Piazza for years. "Everyone talked about it, everyone knew it. Guys on my team, guys on the Mets. A lot of us came up playing against Mike, so we knew what he looked like back in the day. Frankly, he sucked on the field. Just sucked. After his body changed, he was entirely different. 'Power from nowhere,' we called it." When asked, on a scale of 1 to 10, to grade the odds that Piazza had used performance enhancers, the player doesn't pause. "A 12," he says. "Maybe a 13."