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What I get from that picture is the guy really likes Pepsi.

="Edgy DC":eo1f1f0g]Douchebags got rights too.[/quote:eo1f1f0g] This rule of law is why it's technically considered a crime to beat MFY fans to bloody pulps. Technically. Fman99 Apr 02 2009 09:05 AM Who's got two thumbs and smells like vinegar and water? This guy! batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 09:08 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 02 2009 09:31 AM It cuts both ways. Would anyone here like it if they were ejected from Citizens Bank Park for wearing a Met cap but otherwise behaving like the perfect model citizen bank? Gwreck Apr 02 2009 09:11 AM Hell no, but I'm guessing that the conditions on the back of the ticket permit them to do so (assuming they refund the purchase price of the ticket). This guy wasn't a paying customer, accordingly the rules are different. G-Fafif Apr 02 2009 09:11 AM What I get from that picture is the guy really likes Pepsi. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 09:22 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Apr 02 2009 09:23 AM ="Gwreck":bmmnxytl]This guy wasn't a paying customer, accordingly the rules are different.[/quote:bmmnxytl] Are they? If the student was also considered to be a Met employee at that moment, then I could see the justification. But what about my Roger Angell hypothetical? And what about the complimentary guest tickets that the visiting team is allotted for each game? Does this mean that Brad Lidge's kid can't wear a Phillie cap at Citi Field? TransMonk Apr 02 2009 09:22 AM The similarities between the huge Pepsi "P" and the Phillies "P" is a bit disturbing. metsguyinmichigan Apr 02 2009 09:23 AM Just noticed the writing on the tarp. What the heck is that? I'm assuming it's a giant ad. What does it say? Edgy DC Apr 02 2009 09:23 AM That does it. I'm burning that building down. batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 09:24 AM The stadium does remind me of Citizens Bank, in that photograph. G-Fafif Apr 02 2009 09:35 AM ="metsguyinmichigan":1clc7wsc]Just noticed the writing on the tarp. What the heck is that? I'm assuming it's a giant ad. What does it say?[/quote:1clc7wsc] Sports SPDR or something to that effect. They're the sponsor of Mets rain delays. No, I'm not kidding. Gwreck Apr 02 2009 09:49 AM ="batmagadanleadoff":kzvkayl1]="Gwreck":kzvkayl1]This guy wasn't a paying customer, accordingly the rules are different.[/quote:kzvkayl1] Are they? If the student was also considered to be a Met employee at that moment, then I could see the justification. But what about my Roger Angell hypothetical? And what about the complimentary guest tickets that the visiting team is allotted for each game? Does this mean that Brad Lidge's kid can't wear a Phillie cap at Citi Field?[/quote:kzvkayl1] I really think the rules *are* different for the media. If Roger Angell showed up wearing a Phillies hat in the pressbox, I'd be fine with the Mets asking him to remove the hat or leave. Nymr83 Apr 02 2009 09:56 AM ="Gwreck":2wlwkjea]="batmagadanleadoff":2wlwkjea]="Gwreck":2wlwkjea]This guy wasn't a paying customer, accordingly the rules are different.[/quote:2wlwkjea] Are they? If the student was also considered to be a Met employee at that moment, then I could see the justification. But what about my Roger Angell hypothetical? And what about the complimentary guest tickets that the visiting team is allotted for each game? Does this mean that Brad Lidge's kid can't wear a Phillie cap at Citi Field?[/quote:2wlwkjea] I really think the rules *are* different for the media. If Roger Angell showed up wearing a Phillies hat in the pressbox, I'd be fine with the Mets asking him to remove the hat or leave.[/quote:2wlwkjea] as would i. but lets be clear that theres still no evidence that the METS told or asked this kid to do anything. so far it looks like it was all someone from st johns batmagadanleadoff Apr 02 2009 10:00 AM ="Nymr83":f5xc7li3]as would i. but lets be clear that theres still no evidence that the METS told or asked this kid to do anything. so far it looks like it was all someone from st johns[/quote:f5xc7li3] Understood. I assume that we're all posting hypothetically -- under the premise that we don't know for sure if and why the student was ejected. By the way, I dislike the idea that the Mets could impose a dress code in the press box, although they have the right to, if that's their choice. Otherwise, the slope really has slipped; does this mean that the Phillies broadcasters (e.g. Harry Kalas) can't wear Phillie gear? Edgy DC Apr 02 2009 10:08 AM You know, the Warriors just wanted to walk peacefully through the Orphans' territory, but the Orphans insisted they remove their colors. And we know how that turned out. Centerfield Apr 02 2009 10:43 AM Since we're all up on a pedestal in this thread: The Mets should not limit any clothing, accessories etc. unless it is vulgar, obscene, or distasteful in some way. Other teams' apparel obviously does not fit into this category. I wouldn't want to see the Mets make any such limitations in the press box or in the stands. The obvious exception is employees of the organization, who should wear whatever the fuck the Mets tell them to wear. As such, St. John's, or any other employer, be it the Philly newspapers or otherwise, has every right, and should, if they feel it is necessary, to restrict the apparel of any of their employees during company time. That means if your boss tells you to take off the Phillies jacket, take off the Phillies jacket. If your boss gives you a jacket to wear, put the damn thing on. Turning our attention to loser-Fonzie-wannabe-Philly-Fan...he was not removed from CitiField for his apparel. He was given a choice to follow orders, or quit, from his boss. He chose to quit. The only reason he had to leave was because his job was his basis for being at the game. If he had then gone outside and bought a ticket, he could have come back inside and worn his Phillies jacket and held up a sign that said "St. John's = Big Brother" if he so chose. He did not. So fuck him. Rockin' Doc Apr 02 2009 11:14 AM CF - "The Mets should not limit any clothing, accessories etc. unless it is vulgar, obscene, or distasteful in some way. Other teams' apparel obviously does not fit into this category...." I don't know CF, I find a Yankee cap to be rather distasteful. metsguyinmichigan Apr 02 2009 11:21 AM No employer or team should prevent him from wearing the jacket, but that doesn't mean he should wear it. It's like cheering in the press box. If I stood in there cheering for the Mets, no one would say, "Hey, we're not supposed to cheer up here." But it would be like the giant douchebag signal shining brightly in the Gothom City sky. There would be plenty of eye-rolling and snide remarks, because sportswriters like the "holier than thou" thing. Suprisingly, the opposite of cheer-leading is openly accepted. You could sit there all day saying "Delgado is a bum" and the writers would likely praise your for your knowledge. The exception is questioning St. Derek's range or intangibles. That will get you booted. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 02 2009 11:24 AM It doesn't seem plausible that Mets personnel would have gotten so upset about this when at least several dozen folks in Yank gear-- and probably a handful more in Phil-analia-- were also milling about (having seen a bunch of these vinegary fellows in fan photos). It seems a likelier story that department-head guy was a little antsy about St. John's staff provoking adverse reactions-- even if mild-- on a high-visibility day in a facility that wasn't theirs, and did a bad job of standing his ground when pressed by a smartass ("I'll wear it under the Phils jacket-- what's the problem? No, I haven't eaten shit today-- why do you ask?"). ="batmagadanleadoff"]Oh ... and by the way ... shouldn't the thread title be A Matter of Ph**king Principle? Done and done. (Had been thinking of the Utley quote.) metirish Apr 02 2009 12:40 PM How do we explain this to the Iraqis ? Number 6 Apr 02 2009 09:08 PM To me, there are two things we're talking about here. One is the right of this guy's employer, or the Mets, to dictate what he can and can't wear, and the phan's responsibility to comply. I think CF covered this well; they have a right to tell the guy to take his jacket off. He disagreed, and maybe lost some of the high ground with the passive-aggressive "under the jacket" dickishness, but ultimately he took a stand, no matter how dubious it was, and accepted the consequences. Fine. To me, the more important point is less the right of his employer/the Mets to dictate his dress, but whether they should exercise that right. Let's assume, for the moment, that the order did come from the Mets and not St. John's, and that the phan was as otherwise respectful as he makes himself out to be. Is there anyone who believes that, while retaining the right to do so, the Mets should tell him to take the jacket off? Are Met fans really so childish that a Phillies jacket is an unbearable affront? Would we be OK with the Mets thinking we are? Personally, it really chafes me when I see people wearing Yankees, Braves or Phillies gear to games when that team isn't in the park. And while I don't think it's appropriate for the Mets or anyone else to restrict their right to wear that gear, I am very comfortable with my personal right to judge them. This kid's a dick, but let him broadcast that fact in peace. Nymr83 Apr 03 2009 06:16 AM No, I don't think the Mets should exercise that right with regard to an employee of a college baseball team playing at their stadium. but i also dont think they did exercise that right. batmagadanleadoff Apr 03 2009 06:52 AM ="Nymr83"]No, I don't think the Mets should exercise that right with regard to an employee of a college baseball team playing at their stadium. but i also dont think they did exercise that right. Me neither. This matter was probably purely between the student and the university. I'd also bet that the student wasn't being entirely objective when he posted his account, and probably shaded the story somewhat so as to favor him. I don't think that the Mets ever enforced any kind of dress code at Shea concerning opposing teams gear -- in the press box or anywhere else. I assume that nothing will change at Citi Field. Ashie62 Apr 03 2009 09:45 AM Elaine..You cannot wear the Oriloles hat in mr. Steinbrenner's box!

="Edgy DC"]The MbtN staff should call and request a brief interview to see if Green will offer some clarification or elaboration. MbtN: Sean, why such a dickhead and coward? Green: No comment.

="Edgy DC":28f3t4q6]I deserve copious amounts of parting gifts for coming up with Aase.[/quote:28f3t4q6] Page 163. Fman99 Apr 02 2009 09:22 AM I think I'll dip into recent history for the 2006 group of 6: LoDuca Delgado Nady Wagner Julio Franco Valentin Benjamin Grimm Apr 03 2009 07:51 AM Fman goes six for six with '06 picks! Fman99 Apr 03 2009 07:53 AM ="Benjamin Grimm":3g47tz21]Fman goes six for six with '06 picks![/quote:3g47tz21] I was thinking A-Hern too, who was the opening day 2B, but he had a callup in the fall of '05.

Some part of me wants to empathize with the kid, the part that admires his Team First mentality, but honestly, what a douche. You're not there as a fan. You're there as something approximating a professional. Wear the revolting garment to a Mets game you're sitting in the stands for (though in a perfect world, all douches who wear enemy garments would be thrown out of the Mets' park by law; Mets fans in other parks, on the other hand, would roam freely and be treated as sages), not when you're going to work in a job where it's clearly all kinds of bad form. St. John's would be right to tell him to stop being a douche. The Mets shouldn't be bothered one way or the other but as a partisan I'm glad that they are. I also cheered when some MFY fan had his cap tossed from Mezzanine to Loge in 2006. What really irks me is on first glance, it looks like he's posing at Citizens Bank.

Buc that.

I will take my theoretical doomsday team, the Pirates, both series. Expect limited insight.

The answer was kind of, sort of waiting to be divined. A couple of more weeks and I feel I would have caught on.

Channel 2 kept Sam Ryan as primary sports anchor and otherwise it's the newspeople doing scores and highlights. I think their cluelessless showed last Sunday when I was watching for highlights from Citi Field's debut and they treated the story as "Georgetown beats St. John's," not opening of a new ballpark. Sports was a big part of the branding of local stations for so long. Obviously there's no real need for most to depend on them for information. Bruce Beck, of whom I'm not a huge fan, is a value-added guy in that he hustles all over the Metropolitan Area for stories (scholastic, banquets) others don't bother with. Otherwise the essentials, even the secondary stuff is available elsewhere, and most locals beyond Beck on Channel 4 don't bother to embellish. Circa 1980 and for much of the next two decades, really, when the Mets won, I'd be all over the highlights on every local newscast, first the independent stations, then the network affiliates. It was as if the Mets won six extra times. I don't generally do that anymore.

Welcome! New blood!

Local sports is cut further down to size with the imminent departure of the classy Len Berman[/url:2shsejw6] from Channel 4. He was a bit MFY-biased (said within the past couple of years that the Yankees were a bigger deal than the Mets so he's almost always going to lead with them), but I always liked the smooth, relaxed style and generally intelligent delivery of the highlights.

="Mendoza Line":2y2fnrdx]It's hard to argue with Gooden in 1985, but in the AFD spirit I would have moved Gooden to 1984, given 1986 to Keef, and saved 1985 for Sidd Finch.[/quote:2y2fnrdx] Sidd was conSiddered. But had to keep the joke rolling. metirish Apr 01 2009 11:00 AM ="Edgy DC":1r8d8mzt]Welcome abordick gerard00.[/quote:1r8d8mzt] the new member is probably an April fools joke. John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 01 2009 11:06 AM I wonder if he's any relation to Girard 11 Edgy DC Apr 01 2009 11:16 AM That's what we said about you. Drop your guard and welcome the dude. G-Fafif Apr 01 2009 11:23 AM Welcome! New blood! LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 01 2009 11:51 AM Re: The really funny part ="gerrard00"]This would actually have been an awesome promotion. Who wasn't reaching for their wallet before the AFD radar kicked in? No longer the new guy... does this mean I get to haze him? I want Combos, every flavor of Big League and Carmex lip balm-- the cream and the clear-- in your bullpen bag, rook. (Pleased to have you aBordick.) themetfairy Apr 01 2009 12:00 PM Welcome Abordick! batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 03:00 PM ="G-Fafif":q8yid208]We wuz gonna give Marv a bobblehead. But we wuz afraid he'd drop it.[/quote:q8yid208] ... or at least bobble it. MFS62 Apr 01 2009 03:12 PM Welcome abordick. Now. Time for rookie hazing. Climb up on that virtual table in the middle of the room and sing your school's fight song. (One of these days, someone might actually do it) Later

Gotta be 13. Just gotta be. We wuz gonna give Marv a bobblehead. But we wuz afraid he'd drop it.

="seawolf17":2tn88n6b]Shit, this would be amazing. Replace Davey in 1988 with Kevin McReynolds, Bonilla in 1992 with Sid Fernandez, and Izzy in 1995 with Bobby Jones and this would be the most awesome thing in the history of things. You're my hero, Greg.[/quote:2tn88n6b] I can see Mac in '88, but I wanted Davey to get his due. Sid and Jones aren't particularly identified with those seasons and I wanted to avoid shoehorning, though each has a claim to some slice of Mets history. I'm hoping in 2010, after the incredible popularity of Mets History Miniature Bobblehead Year at Citi Field, that I can talk the team into holding a sequel. You have to take pretend things seriously or they fall apart on close inspection. seawolf17 Apr 01 2009 09:55 AM True. But now I'm actually mad at the Mets for not doing this promotion. Mendoza Line Apr 01 2009 10:03 AM It's hard to argue with Gooden in 1985, but in the AFD spirit I would have moved Gooden to 1984, given 1986 to Keef, and saved 1985 for Sidd Finch. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 10:03 AM ="seawolf17":3dt3wl3p]True. But now I'm actually mad at the Mets for not doing this promotion.[/quote:3dt3wl3p] I know what you mean. I fell for the well-written gag, probably because I wanted it to be true. Did I ever tell you that at first read, I also believed the Sidd Finch piece? metsguyinmichigan Apr 01 2009 10:04 AM Dammit, Prince. I was mentally rearranging the basement baseball room to make room for well-deserved tributes to Lenny Randle and Anthony Young before realizing the joke. Would have been so cool, too. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 10:07 AM ="G-Fafif":27jn9atr]You have to take pretend things seriously or they fall apart on close inspection.[/quote:27jn9atr] Okay. So what number will Roger Craig be wearing? How about a hologram on his uniform that shifts back and forth from 38 to 13? (I would've liked Throneberry, myself, but that's just my preference, not criticism). G-Fafif Apr 01 2009 10:32 AM Gotta be 13. Just gotta be. We wuz gonna give Marv a bobblehead. But we wuz afraid he'd drop it. gerrard00 Apr 01 2009 10:49 AM The really funny part This would actually have been an awesome promotion. Who wasn't reaching for their wallet before the AFD radar kicked in? metirish Apr 01 2009 10:51 AM Re: The really funny part ="gerrard00":2hnurwk4]This would actually have been an awesome promotion. Who wasn't reaching for their wallet before the AFD radar kicked in?[/quote:2hnurwk4] In another economy I would have gone for the wallet but not now , no not now. Edgy DC Apr 01 2009 10:57 AM Welcome abordick gerard00. G-Fafif Apr 01 2009 10:58 AM ="Mendoza Line":2y2fnrdx]It's hard to argue with Gooden in 1985, but in the AFD spirit I would have moved Gooden to 1984, given 1986 to Keef, and saved 1985 for Sidd Finch.[/quote:2y2fnrdx] Sidd was conSiddered. But had to keep the joke rolling. metirish Apr 01 2009 11:00 AM ="Edgy DC":1r8d8mzt]Welcome abordick gerard00.[/quote:1r8d8mzt] the new member is probably an April fools joke. John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 01 2009 11:06 AM I wonder if he's any relation to Girard 11 Edgy DC Apr 01 2009 11:16 AM That's what we said about you. Drop your guard and welcome the dude. G-Fafif Apr 01 2009 11:23 AM Welcome! New blood! LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 01 2009 11:51 AM Re: The really funny part ="gerrard00"]This would actually have been an awesome promotion. Who wasn't reaching for their wallet before the AFD radar kicked in? No longer the new guy... does this mean I get to haze him? I want Combos, every flavor of Big League and Carmex lip balm-- the cream and the clear-- in your bullpen bag, rook. (Pleased to have you aBordick.) themetfairy Apr 01 2009 12:00 PM Welcome Abordick! batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 03:00 PM ="G-Fafif":q8yid208]We wuz gonna give Marv a bobblehead. But we wuz afraid he'd drop it.[/quote:q8yid208] ... or at least bobble it. MFS62 Apr 01 2009 03:12 PM Welcome abordick. Now. Time for rookie hazing. Climb up on that virtual table in the middle of the room and sing your school's fight song. (One of these days, someone might actually do it) Later

Sean Green nixed you. Said you were too close to Heilman.

New Mets promotion I'm proud to say I had a hand in creating. Details here[/url:3lf6yy0v].

Tate...Myers...Coach Niemann...it's a very Randy number. Perhaps Green is just a prude.

="Benjamin Grimm":28sgs0fa]I find it surprising that The Sporting News still has a print edition. I'm actually surprised that it still exists in any form at all.[/quote:28sgs0fa] I think it speaks to its relevancy that I've seen no note of it anywhere in the Metsosphere, and I get around in those circles. If I hadn't run into it in Penn Station last week, I wouldn't have known. And unlike in other springs when a Met graced a cover of a magazine, I didn't snap it up. It was $5.99 for a weekly publication. I try to support print where I can, but I long ago lost interest in TSN. Those few times I've bought it in this decade, I come away thinking, well, that wasn't worth it. Only pre-season pub any Mets fan needs[/url:28sgs0fa] is a much better value. MFS62 Mar 31 2009 06:16 PM ="Benjamin Grimm"]I find it surprising that The Sporting News still has a print edition. I'm actually surprised that it still exists in any form at all. The day they stopped printing box scores they ceased being a credible baseball paper. And they used to call themselves The Bible of Baseball. Sigh Later Gwreck Mar 31 2009 06:18 PM ="G-Fafif":2x5nvt6i]Only pre-season pub any Mets fan needs[/url:2x5nvt6i] is a much better value.[/quote:2x5nvt6i] I saw that at the newstand in the building where I worked several weeks ago and picked it up just because it looked interesting. Wasn't until I started looking at it that I was thinking...wait...I know who (most of) these writers are! Edgy DC Mar 31 2009 07:04 PM I'm guessing "Sporting News" has devolved into a time-tested brand pasted over a magazine that would otherwise be called "Fantasy Sports Player Hot Tip Sheet."

Better cover here[/url:3f08z6ie].

="batmagadanleadoff":1wu9ddve]="G-Fafif":1wu9ddve]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:1wu9ddve] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:1wu9ddve] Yeah, that occurred to me after. But Spahn, Berra, Snider did not play in WS as Mets. Only Mets HoFers to play in WS as Mets were Nolan, Willie, Tom and Gary; Yogi coached and managed in WS. I don't know that Schmidt played with six HoFers in WS (Carlton, Perez, Morgan...eph the Phils). batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 05:07 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":3qmgs4ht]="G-Fafif":3qmgs4ht]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:3qmgs4ht] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:3qmgs4ht] Kranepool played with those three, plus Ryan, Seaver and Mays -- six HOFers in all, not including HOF managers and coaches (Hornsby, Stengel) batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 05:09 PM ="G-Fafif":3fpqzwke]="batmagadanleadoff":3fpqzwke]="G-Fafif":3fpqzwke]Played with/for a Hall of Famer?[/quote:3fpqzwke] No, because the maximum # of times any Met could have accomplished this was four times. But the Mets have had more than four hall of famers. Also, many of the early Mets would have played with at least three (Spahn, Berra and Snider).[/quote:3fpqzwke] Yeah, that occurred to me after. But Spahn, Berra, Snider did not play in WS as Mets. Only Mets HoFers to play in WS as Mets were Nolan, Willie, Tom and Gary; Yogi coached and managed in WS. I don't know that Schmidt played with six HoFers in WS (Carlton, Perez, Morgan...eph the Phils).[/quote:3fpqzwke] I see. We're playing leapfrog with our posts. Well, it doesn't have anything to do with HOFers, no matter how you slice it. SteveJRogers Mar 31 2009 05:10 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Mar 31 2009 05:12 PM I'm fixated on Buddy's Gold Glove image. Does it have something to do with Met award winners? Huh, or maybe All Star Game Starts... AH HA... All Star Game selections made by someone other than fan voting perhaps? batmagadanleadoff Mar 31 2009 05:12 PM ="SteveJRogers"]I'm fixated on Buddy's Gold Glove image. Does it have something to do with Met award winners? Hey! This isn't What's My Line? G-Fafif Mar 31 2009 05:14 PM SteveJRogers Mar 31 2009 05:16 PM Be in uniform for Opening Day proper (Game 1 of 162) at Shea Stadium? That doesn't make much sense now that I think of it... Didn't it use to alternate until like the last few years the Mets have opened on the road for whatever reason? MFS62 Mar 31 2009 05:24 PM How about that all participated in a game that opened a new staduim? Later Edgy DC Mar 31 2009 05:24 PM These guys, at least three times, have attended the funeral of a Met Hall of Famer. Dead Mets Hall of Famers: Tommie Agee Gil Hodges Tug McGraw Bob Murphy Johnny Murphy Lindsey Nelson Joan Whitney Payson Bill Shea Casey Stengel George Weiss OlerudOwned Mar 31 2009 11:24 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":3ces6an7]="G-Fafif":3ces6an7]Played with/coached a Hall of Famer? With/for a Hall of Famer in the World Series? Wayne Garrett had three Hall of Famers in that regard: Seaver, Mays, Ryan (if we're not counting managers). Harrelson would have those guys plus Carter, when he coached, making it four. I haven't value-tested every guy (why not Tug...because he didn't pitch in '69 WS, perhaps), so maybe not, but Dwight Bernard played in a WS with Molitor and Yount, so...I have no idea.[/quote:3ces6an7] Did you just add this stuff? Anyway, it's got nothing to do with HOF'ers. And remember -- Babe Ruth never did it.[/quote:3ces6an7] Touched their own toes. TheOldMole Apr 01 2009 06:28 AM Can we give up? Benjamin Grimm Apr 01 2009 07:08 AM We're trying. MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:13 AM Is it a coincidence that he said he would reveal the answer today? April Fools Day? What if there is no answer? Pitchfiorks and torches. Who's with me? Later seawolf17 Apr 01 2009 07:19 AM I don't mean this in a bad way, but if a trivia question takes sixteen hints and ninety posts without anyone sniffing an answer, I think it's a bit of trivia that would get you fired from the "Jeopardy" clue crew. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 07:23 AM Alright already. I'll post the answer in about 20 minutes. I would've really liked for someone to have solved the question. Reallly. I didn't set out to be a stumper. Or a sadist. The answer's so easy that when I post it, I guarantee that everyone on this forum will be able to confirm the accuracy of the answer mentally, without having to reference any printed source. metirish Apr 01 2009 07:27 AM Oh just give us the fucking answer for fucks sake , it can only be a disapointment at this stage. MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:34 AM Come on already. I'm putting curare on my pitchfork. Later batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 07:42 AM What do the following Mets -and no other Mets- have in common: Ed Kranepool, Jerry Koosman, Bud Harrelson, Jerry Grote, Wayne Garrett and Rusty Staub? Hint #5 - Whatever it is that these Mets have in common (Ed Kranepool, Jerry Koosman, Bud Harrelson, Jerry Grote, Wayne Garrett, Rusty Staub and depending on how the answer is phrased - Tom Seaver), they did it three times. Hint #6 - Actually, Bud Harrelson did it four times; thrice as a player and once as a manager/coach. But for the purpose of this question, I only counted the three times Bud did it as a player. The answer is ����. They all played for the Mets in a season --three times-- in which one of their teammates won the Cy Young Award. (Hint #13. Bud Harrelson did it four times. This is the maximum possible number of times that any Met could have accomplished this whatever you wanna call it.) Bud Harrelson did it four times. He played for the Mets for all three of Seaver�s Cy�s, and was a coach for the Mets in �85, the year that Gooden won his Cy Young award. Seaver, of course, can�t be his own teammate, so the answer would have to be re-phrased to work around the word �teammate� in order to include him: something like �these Mets played for the Mets in seasons when a Met won that year�s Cy Young award. ="Edgy DC"]Rusty Staub is the key here, as he is the only non-'69er. This is as good a time as any to segue into hint #7. Hint #7. Rusty's path to this "accomplishment" ("accomplishment" for lack of a better term) was slightly different than that off all the other Mets in the question. All but Rusty were teammates of Seaver in each of the three years when Seaver won the award (�69, �73 and �75). Staub missed Seaver�s first Cy but came back for a second stint with the team in the 80�s and was Gooden�s teammate for Doc�s Cy campaign in �85, Staub�s last season as a major leaguer. Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. Hint #8. Earlier, I wrote that Cleon Jones just missed making the list. Cleon's omission from the list is a technicality based on the way I chose to phrase the answer, more than anything else. I could rephrase the answer so as to include Cleon Jones. The inclusion of Cleon would then leave about a dozen or so Mets who "accomplished" this bit of trivia twice. Of those dozen or so, the Mets that came the closest to making the list (Kranepool, Koosman, Harrelson, Grote, Garrett, Staub - Seaver & Jones depending on how the answer is phrased) without actually making it are, in no particular order, Ken Boswell, Tug McGraw and Duffy Dyer. Hint #9. Under the narrower Jonesless version of this trivia question, Cleon misses the cut by a few months. Cleon was a Met in �69, �73 and �75, so he�s part of the answer. In my original answer, I excluded Cleon because he wasn�t on the Mets for the entire �75 season. I thought that by including partial seasons, the answer would include too many Mets, and the question would be too confusing. Really. But as it turned out, Cleon was the only Met affected by allowing partial seasons. Boswell, McGraw and Dyer were Mets for Seaver�s first two awards; their careers as Mets concluded at the end of the �74 season. Hint #10. As I said, Bud Harrelson did this four times as a Met, if you include his roster stints as coach and/or manager. Including all Met managerial and coaching stints, add Yogi Berra, Rube Walker, Joe Pignatano and Eddie Yost as Mets who did this three times. All four were in Mets uniforms for each of Seaver�s three Cy Young awards. ="batmagadanleadoff"] Hint #16. Yogi did it four times as a Yankee. Hint #17. For most of Yogi's Yankee days, this was twice as hard to do as it is now, if not outright impossible. Hint #18. Babe Ruth never did it. So -- George Thomas 3, George Herman 0. Did anyone ever notice how the greatest Met and Yankee are both named George, and how they were both commonly referred to as something other than George? Yogi played for the Yankees in 1958 when Bob Turley won the Cy Young award and in 1961, when Whitey Ford won the award. He coached the Yankees in 1977 when Sparky Lyle won the award and the following season, when Ron Guidry won it. The award didn�t exist prior to 1956, and between 1956 and 1966, only one award was given, instead of the two that are now awarded, -- one for each league. Hint #20. Dwight Bernard did it twice in his career; never as a N.Y. Met. Bernard�s MLB career consisted of two seasons with the Mets (�79 and �80) and then the following two seasons with the Brewers as teammates of Cy Young award winners Rollie Fingers (�81) and Pete Vuckovich (�82). Hint #19. Tommy Davis did it seven times in his career; never as a N.Y. Met. Tommy Davis was a teammate of the following Cy Young award winners in the same seasons that the pitchers won the award: Don Drysdale (�62) Sandy Koufax (�63, �65, �66) Vida Blue (�71) Jim Palmer (73, �75) MFS62 Apr 01 2009 07:50 AM Well played. Good question. Helpful clues. I'd still advise you to have someone else open your packages and start your car for you for a while. Later Zvon Apr 01 2009 12:03 PM ="batmagadanleadoff"]Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 12:10 PM ="Zvon"]="batmagadanleadoff"]Hint # Last. Sigh. Sigh Young. Welcome back, man! G-Fafif Apr 01 2009 12:44 PM The answer was kind of, sort of waiting to be divined. A couple of more weeks and I feel I would have caught on. Edgy DC Apr 01 2009 12:48 PM Agreed. Definitely by the All Star Break. batmagadanleadoff Apr 01 2009 03:02 PM If you guys weren't so impatient, my next hint would've been: Ironically, Cy Young never did this. Edgy DC May 07 2009 02:37 PM Tom Seaver Nolan Ryan Dennis Eckersley Rich Gossage Swan Swan H May 07 2009 03:14 PM WAG - Four pitchers who got a win and a save in an All-Star game. Edgy DC May 07 2009 05:25 PM I'm pretty sure this is an exclusive club (though I suspect there might be one more out there). I know that Bruce Sutter has also both won and saved an All Star game. You'd also think Sutter would be part of this list for the reasons I'm looking for, but he's not. batmagadanleadoff May 07 2009 05:28 PM Is this a trivia question? And if so, is there a Met theme (thread title)?

Played with/coached a Hall of Famer? With/for a Hall of Famer in the World Series? Wayne Garrett had three Hall of Famers in that regard: Seaver, Mays, Ryan (if we're not counting managers). Harrelson would have those guys plus Carter, when he coached, making it four. I haven't value-tested every guy (why not Tug...because he didn't pitch in '69 WS, perhaps), so maybe not, but Dwight Bernard played in a WS with Molitor and Yount, so...I have no idea.

Toe Knee Arm Ass My inner sixth-grader is laughing hysterically.

="Benjamin Grimm":3pgkqadq]Yes to Gallagher. For another of the 1992 guys, remember that it was also Jeff Torborg's debut.[/quote:3pgkqadq] Bill Pecota. metirish Mar 31 2009 04:50 PM Was I wrong about Shinjo or did I miss the point of this thread. Benjamin Grimm Mar 31 2009 05:20 PM Johnny guessed Shinjo (correctly) in the second or third post of this thread. metirish Mar 31 2009 05:32 PM ="metirish":xlm3fylz]According to UMDB Shinjo came in a a pinch runner , Benny Agbayani was in the starting line up. I was going to guess Desi Relaford but that's not correct.[/quote:xlm3fylz] Sorry Ben Grim but I was asking if I was right about this. Benjamin Grimm Mar 31 2009 06:03 PM Yes, Shinjo entered the game as a pinch-runner, but he was the only player to make his Mets debut in the first game of 2001. metirish Mar 31 2009 06:08 PM Oh I thought you meant in the starting nine. HahnSolo Apr 01 2009 09:01 AM ="metirish":2zrh990b]Oh I thought you meant in the starting nine.[/quote:2zrh990b] Yeah, I was wondering why Don Aase was on the list. So if relief/bench players count, then wouldn't KRod, Putz, Green, Reed be possibilities? [Edit: nevermind, I'm easily confused. I should read things more thoroughly before I post] Benjamin Grimm Apr 02 2009 06:56 AM Junior Noboa is the remaining 1992 guy. Edgy DC Apr 02 2009 07:19 AM I deserve copious amounts of parting gifts for coming up with Aase. I mean, I should lose half of them for conflating Orsulak and Gallagher, but there you are. G-Fafif Apr 02 2009 08:18 AM ="Edgy DC":28f3t4q6]I deserve copious amounts of parting gifts for coming up with Aase.[/quote:28f3t4q6] Page 163. Fman99 Apr 02 2009 09:22 AM I think I'll dip into recent history for the 2006 group of 6: LoDuca Delgado Nady Wagner Julio Franco Valentin Benjamin Grimm Apr 03 2009 07:51 AM Fman goes six for six with '06 picks! Fman99 Apr 03 2009 07:53 AM ="Benjamin Grimm":3g47tz21]Fman goes six for six with '06 picks![/quote:3g47tz21] I was thinking A-Hern too, who was the opening day 2B, but he had a callup in the fall of '05.