nymr83

I'd keep Schoenweis OR Feliciano as the LOOGY but don't keep them both on the staff because having both of them around forces the manager to use them against righties which they suck at.

I voted Neutral because I feel that big contracts for relievers fail and much as they succeed, but I'm happy to have Rodriguez on the Mets for 2009.

]I'm not at all sure, by the way, why Feliciano would be more desirable than Schoeneweis.) salary difference?

theres no need to post a second picture of the guy...

I agree, one country per person.

Aren't you forgetting someone?

thats took under 5 minutes with Zvon's skillz

Vazquez will give you a bunch of league average innings, which is fine, but i too wonder why he never really got great, the whips arent terrible and the strikeout rate is good

Allen has a 156 OPS+ over 15 years, that should be automatic inclusion.

thanks for the clarification, do they make a list i'm curious

I find it hard to believe that there were 73 players on the Mets who deserve recognition of ANY kind, do coaches and trainers and bat boys partake in this as well (perhaps under "cash awards" not shares?) did 73 people even see a single AB/IP with the Mets this year?

They anounced the Veteran's Committee ballot today, i fear they will place the undeserving (like Ron Santo) in the hall while ignoring the best hitter not in the hall (Dick Allen.)

Yeah thats a pretty good Braves name itself.

It seems obvious that Wright would be the first one invited and Murphy was being rewarded for his explosive rookie performance. Nick Evans? really? you need Nick Evans to test out your new park? I understand not inviting Delgado who might not be back but where was Beltran? Reyes?

Repeat after me idiot Wilpon: "it's not our fault that they are in this mess, we signed a contract and we'd be expected to perform our end of it even if it became a bad deal for us."

="Vic Sage":3va03oxw]i'm a definite [u:3va03oxw]yes [/u:3va03oxw]on Henderson and Blyleven, and i could go either way on Rice, Raines and Trammell. No others need apply.[/quote:3va03oxw] It was my (jewish) New Year's resolution to agree with Vic just once this year. Frayed Knot Dec 02 2008 03:15 PM Dave Parker is another not-good-enough from the Murphy/Mattingly category. First 5 full seasons were all great, HoF-quality years. At that point he was 28 y/o. After that he had one great season amid a bunch of good/OK ones in a career that lasted until he was 40. Parker also became the poster boy for every fan's fear of the player who got the (then new) big long-term contract and got fat (figuratively AND literally) and lazy soon afterward. John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 02 2008 03:22 PM He was never the same after he got baseball and hockey all confused. John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 02 2008 03:23 PM and football Edgy DC Dec 02 2008 04:53 PM Teach you to mess with Stoins. Frayed Knot Dec 03 2008 05:49 AM The HoF candidacy of Tim Raines gets some love[/url:2i8b3myn] in comparisons with not only sure-fire HoFer Rickey but also with possible one Rice & current member Brock in a piece from 'The Hardball Times' Vic Sage Dec 03 2008 08:12 AM ="Nymr83":1lrgong9]="Vic Sage":1lrgong9]i'm a definite [u:1lrgong9]yes [/u:1lrgong9]on Henderson and Blyleven, and i could go either way on Rice, Raines and Trammell. No others need apply.[/quote:1lrgong9] It was my (jewish) New Year's resolution to agree with Vic just once this year.[/quote:1lrgong9] even a broken clock is right twice a day. Nymr83 Dec 03 2008 01:44 PM They anounced the Veteran's Committee ballot today, i fear they will place the undeserving (like Ron Santo) in the hall while ignoring the best hitter not in the hall (Dick Allen.) metsmarathon Dec 03 2008 02:00 PM Player Career 5-yr peak 7-yr Peak 10-yr Plateau 1-yr Max santo 3rd TOP TOP 2nd TOP allen bottom 2nd 3rd 3rd 2nd using my methodology, ron santo is probably the best player not in the hall. Nymr83 Dec 03 2008 02:07 PM Allen has a 156 OPS+ over 15 years, that should be automatic inclusion. Valadius Dec 03 2008 04:29 PM Santo and Allen both deserve it. seawolf17 Dec 03 2008 07:34 PM ="Nymr83":1g5y35ta]Allen has a 156 OPS+ over 15 years, that should be automatic inclusion.[/quote:1g5y35ta] Hey! We agree! Edgy DC Dec 03 2008 08:12 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 06 2008 07:39 AM I don't think there's such a thing as an automatic anything. Bill James pretty much says he jerked his way out of the Hall of Fame and seems to agree, or at least acknowledge where the writers were coming from. You don't have to agree, but I think declaring anything to be a no-brainer is intellectually lazy. The time for thinkers has come. Frayed Knot Dec 06 2008 07:20 AM More Raines love A rather lengthy treatise on why Tim Raines belongs, comparing him as a leadoff hitter to other leadoffs already in or likely headed for the HoF and reaching concluions like; Take a big part of Rickey Henderson and Pete Rose, add a good size part of Lou Brock, Paul Molitor, and Craig Biggio, and stir in some Ichiro Suzuki, Wade Boggs, Joe Morgan, Derek Jeter, and Barry Bonds, and you get a composite that is a shade inferior to Tim Raines. ... and then doing the same with Raines as #3 hitter, and then again as an overall career. I'm convinced. Edgy DC Dec 06 2008 07:44 AM We tend to say we're offended by the use of magic number thresholds reached in compiling career totals, but isn't the failure to reach 3,000 hits the main case against Raines? And couldn't he have pulled it of pretty easily if he (1) walked a little less, or (2) spent his disease-diminished twilight hitting full-time at league average for a lesser team rather than hitting part-time above league average for contenders? Valadius Dec 06 2008 09:21 PM You can't blame a guy for wanting to win championships. Frayed Knot Jan 05 2009 09:16 AM Results revealed a week from today. Meanwhile, Newsday's Ken Davidoff[/url:fmb4ds8p] reveals not only his ballot but his reasoning behind each vote while showing a willingness to change his mind and adapt to changing thinking. Plus I think I agree with him on all his choices (and non-choices). Nymr83 Jan 05 2009 09:39 AM ="Frayed Knot":3l2ojh0o]Results revealed a week from today. Meanwhile, Newsday's Ken Davidoff[/url:3l2ojh0o] reveals not only his ballot but his reasoning behind each vote while showing a willingness to change his mind and adapt to changing thinking. Plus I think I agree with him on all his choices (and non-choices).[/quote:3l2ojh0o] "The statistics stand the test of time. Our memories are not as reliable." That should be rule #1 of HOF voting. metirish Jan 05 2009 09:45 AM That's some good stuff there form Davidoff . I like his honesty and that he can change from year to year.

wait are we talking made it to free agency while still a Met or made it and then re-signed with the Mets? Jones is probably the last draftee. Before that Todd Hundley?

Edgardo Alfonzo?

If the Mets signed Dunn to play 1B I wouldn't care what they got for Delgado (I'd assume they'd have to move his contract before they be willing to commit $$ to Dunn.) Otherwise I have no problem with Delgado returning, he earned it despite everything I (and others) said about him early in the year.

has the deadline to offer passed this morning?

I'd offer Perez arbitration for sure, I don't want to give a longterm deal to him he's just too wild and inconsistent, but another year would be fine and so would the draft picks if he refuses. Don't offer to any of the other guys. The closest would be Easley I think.

he wasn't just a "better walker", his batting average was 10 points higher, insignificant over 1 year but hardly so over a career. counting HR/2B/3B seperately is kinda of silly, because whether you hit a triple and a single or two doubles its all the same. compare their OBPs and their SLG%, thats really all you need to look at to understand all those numbers. Baines had an OBP 33 points higher, that is VERY significant, and its not a knock on him to say he did it via the walk. Take away walks and Rickey Henderson looks like he's not as good as Dawson either, while in fact Henderson was far superior, because walks really matter.

I'm with you 100% on #1, 2, 4 &, 5 on your list. Particularly #5 which I think is often overlooked. The less guys you have with major league contracts and high salaries the less roster spots you have locked down. Its fine to pay for guys with a long track record but bringing a guy in because of 1 year of success is kinda stupid when you could bring in 5 guys at league minimum and have the flexibility to call one up from AAA when another is stinking up the joint. I don't agree with you 100% on #3, though I would agree that success tends to lead to overuse which may lead to suckiness.

Why Mike Hampton didn't just say "I've got a family, a career-ending injury can occur at any moment so I should grab all the $$ I can while I'm healthy, I'm taking the Rockies' offer and I'm sorry the Mets couldn't beat it" is beyond me. I'd have respected that over some BS about school systems.

]Dawson's vs. Baines' defense isn't an opportunity to indict the Gold Glove system, but a chance to recognize that these guys were on two different planets regarding defensive contributions. The GG system itself sucks, i didn't mean that as a knock on Dawson's defense but as a knock on citing GGs as a reason to call him a great defender. I'm not ignoring you either, You just werent speaking to the point I was making, which is that Baines is a (slightly) better hitter than Dawson and therefore comments about them being "not even close" are wrong. And if you want Bill James to determine who gets into the hall and who doesn't I'm ok with that, I probably wouldn't agree with everything he'd say but he'd be a hell of a lot better at it than the guys who get to vote now.