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="Edgy DC":4b6h890u]We're getting over-excited. He'll be here soon enough. A half a season isn't necessary for evaluation.[/quote:4b6h890u] i don't know exactly how much time is needed but more is better and livan servees no purpose on a team going nowhere bmfc1 Jul 18 2009 08:30 PM Niese with a complete game (7 innings) shut out tonight. Figueroa, too. Niese should have the start on Monday. Edgy DC Jul 18 2009 08:37 PM If it's reasonably decided that he's the better bet for the team the rest of the season, than bring him to New York. Else, I don't know why it's so important to explicitly throw in the towel sooner, rather than later. Nymr83 Jul 18 2009 09:24 PM ="Edgy DC":kmzjopnx]If it's reasonably decided that he's the better bet for the team the rest of the season, than bring him to New York. Else, I don't know why it's so important to explicitly throw in the towel sooner, rather than later.[/quote:kmzjopnx] In light of Niese's recent performances and those of Livan it wouldn't be throwing in the towel, it would be the better move for both now and the future, though I'm looking more at the future here. bmfc1 Jul 19 2009 07:00 AM If you think that the Mets have no chance of making the playoffs, then you call Niese up to see if he can pitch on the Major League level over a long period of time, rather than one or two starts. If you think that the Mets have a chance, then you call Niese up because he's pitching great and Livan is not. Either way, Niese now. smg58 Jul 19 2009 07:22 AM Before his last two starts, Livan had some trade value. A good outing or two before the deadline might restore some of that value, and even a borderline prospect would probably be worth waiting till the end of the month to see Niese. Of course, if Livan blows up again in his next start, it's a moot point. metirish Jul 19 2009 08:04 AM Oh it would be borderline alright..... Edgy DC Jul 19 2009 12:14 PM ="Nymr83"]="Edgy DC"]If it's reasonably decided that he's the better bet for the team the rest of the season, than bring him to New York. Else, I don't know why it's so important to explicitly throw in the towel sooner, rather than later. In light of Niese's recent performances and those of Livan it wouldn't be throwing in the towel, it would be the better move for both now and the future, though I'm looking more at the future here. Well, that's what I said in my first sentence. The throwing in the towel phrase was deliberately prefixed with an "Else." If good judgement says he's the better Met down the stretch, sure, call on him. Edgy DC Jul 19 2009 04:39 PM We suddenly have an opening. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 19 2009 06:15 PM (Continuing to whistle, twiddle thumbs, and keep an eye on the road from Buffalo) OlerudOwned Jul 19 2009 06:45 PM Niese and Nieve are only one letter away. MFS62 Jul 20 2009 06:54 AM Apparently, Manuel isn't all that enthusiastic about bringing Niese up. http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/mets/2009/07/braves-7-mets-1-nieve-to-niese.html#ixzz0LlrJ6kH1 Later metirish Jul 20 2009 07:13 AM I don't see what you mean by that...I think Manuel might be trying to temper expectations .As Rubin noted Jerry has all but named Niese the starter for Saturday. bmfc1 Jul 20 2009 07:17 AM Those quotes came before the game. He had to change course after the Nieve injury.

The Mets season isn't looking good. Livan Hernandez has struggled lately and is certainly not part of next year's plan. Jonathan Niese might be part of next year's plan. We need to find out, and I say the time is NOW while he is red hot in the minors, don't wait for him to potentially slump, give him the best shot at success by letting him take Livan's starts against the lowly Nationals and Astros next week while he himself is on fire! his last few starts: 7/11: 6ip, 8h, 1r, 1bb, 5k 7/5: 9, 5, 0, 2, 10 6/30: 8, 5, 2, 1, 4 6/25: 6, 6, 1, 2, 6 6/20: 7, 6, 0, 1, 8 6/12: 7.1, 2, 0, 3, 7 thats six starts with 43 1/3 innings, 32 hits, 4 runs, 10 walks, and 40 strikeouts. NOW is the time! gotta find something to try and get excited about here

i think his ERA shot up too much, he might have been usable bait a month ago, but i think all the GMs had to have the same idea that most of us did that it would all come crashing down eventually.

]Everyone who they could trade to "stock the farm" is hurt. They can't get anything farm stocking worthy for the guys that most of us would be willing to unload. i'm not asking for good prospects, i'm just pointing out some teams that could use guys that we probably wont bring back next year anyway. all i'd want in return is a "project" guy. i dont have time now but i'm sure you could go back and find the equivalent of this year's Sheffield/Schneider getting dealt for something usable.

if you want a Schneider suitor in contention i'd think your best bet is Tampa Bay where Dioner Navarro makes Schneid look positively Ruthian.

]Sheffield would be an ideal candidate for anyone needing an offensive boost (Sox? Giants?), but the same stuff that brought him here (sentiment) is going to make him a gargantuan headache to move. i dont think sheff is worth much to anyone even though hes hit fir the mets, if he goes anywhere i'd have to think its an AL team that needs a DH. looking at the AL contenders: -the Angels just lost Hunter AND Guerrero to the DL -The D-Rays could easily give up on Pat "no more bat" Burrell, -the Twinkies could put Kubel in the outfield and bench Gomez who sucks but they'd have to be willing to play Span or Cuddyer in CF (Delmon Young has sucked too but you'd have to assume a now healthy Span os replacing him) -the White Soc have both Podsednik and Anderson sucking it up, since either one can play CF that would make room for Sheff in a corner spot, but no DH as Thome plays there (with a resurgent Konerko at 1st), is Quentin healthy yet? -the team that could maybe use him the most is probably the one place he'd never end up, because they have Magglio Ordonez putting up an atrocious 74 ops+ but they already released Shef this year -the Mariners are getting no production in LF and very little from Griffey at DH (but the fans are so happy to see him back that he wont get benched), they could probably play Sheff and Griff at LF/DH keeping them bth rested -The Yankees, Red Sox, and Rangers would imo only use him as a bench guy, and thats all the AL teams over .500 so there might be destinations for him if the Mets want to deal him for a project (you wont get a good prospect), probably someone along the lines of Royce Ring when they got him, a fireballer who hasnt gotten it together

="Vic Sage"]But don't youse get it... Cora is a leader! He makes me nostalgic for miguel cairo. he makes me miss Rey Ordonez, at least I knew he was helping on one side of the ball (even if he was the WORST every day player in the league.)

="OlerudOwned":1o18fhgt]Oh, shit. Sorry guys. I'll work something up tomorrow morning.[/quote:1o18fhgt] If the season were going better I'd say "this is why we lost" but the way things were headed already it doesnt matter, we already "know our enemy" just fine because the Mets are their own worst enemy Edgy DC Jul 17 2009 07:13 AM Oh, come on. If we can't scapegoat each other, what are we? metirish Jul 17 2009 07:21 AM MLB Extra Innings is free this week , at least it was last night anyway. They do this every year after the ASG. Centerfield Jul 17 2009 07:45 AM Re: Braves - Mets Series Game Times & Stations ="Frayed Knot":1ora9c23]Since we didn't have an official KTE for this series, just a note on where to find the games this weekend Friday: Pelfrey vs Jurrjens This game is at Atlanta's regular starting time of 7:30 (PIX-11 in NY). Not sure why Thursday's was moved up to 7:00 Saturday: Santana vs Kawikami 4:00 EDT for the FOX national broadcast (in most cities) Sunday: Nieve vs Vazquez This is the ESPN GotW but it's moved up to [u:1ora9c23]6:00 EDT[/u:1ora9c23] this week so as to make room for the all-important (hey watch up stroke ourselves) ESPY Awards. The awards show actually took place on Wednesday night but airing the jock & celeb monument to pole-smoking in prime-time is ESPN's gift to the world.[/quote:1ora9c23] What happens if the game goes 15 innings? Frayed Knot Jul 17 2009 07:49 AM ]What happens if the game goes 15 innings? Then we'll hear 3,471 mentions during the game for the upcoming ESPYs instead of the mere 1,247 that are scheduled. Fman99 Jul 17 2009 09:15 AM In my premature curmudgeonness I will admit that I hate everything on TV, new shows, old shows, dramas, comedies, all of it. But, seriously, is there any programming less necessary than the ESPYs? metirish Jul 17 2009 09:21 AM ="Fman99":2dc2bakj]In my premature curmudgeonness I will admit that I hate everything on TV, new shows, old shows, dramas, comedies, all of it. But, seriously, is there any programming less necessary than the ESPYs?[/quote:2dc2bakj] I can't imagine any scenario where I would watch it.... G-Fafif Jul 17 2009 09:28 AM ="Fman99":1yb8xhg3]Tonight's game is later because they are going to retire Maddux's number in a pre-game ceremony.[/quote:1yb8xhg3] I assume Maddux will come out of the ceremony before it reaches the two-thirds point, no matter how well or poorly the ceremony is going.

I'll take berroa as "change for the sake of change" at this point, cora is terrible, and maybe jerry wouldnt bat berroa leadoff whuch would help the team by itself.

Prado fell on his face! that was gonna be 2 out right?

isnt Ray Romano one of ours too?

]Will the Mets put one and one together and bring out Tom Terrific, who will be 68 that summer, in a big way? Or will it become another platform for the Mets and MLB to celebrate the legacy of Jackie Robinson? i think we both know the answer to that where Wilpon is involved.

I'm calling a 30-45 record the rest of the way. Delgado and Beltran don't get back until MID-august and neither is as productive as they had been last year or the beginning of this year. Reyes comes back Aug. 1st but gets shut down September 10th when the Mets are finally ready to concede that they are dead. Maine makes it back for a few starts in late August but also gets shut down. The bright spot of the second half turns out to be Brad Holt, called up to make 5 starts in September where he looks like gold.

="Centerfield":6a3936hp]="G-Fafif":6a3936hp]="Fman99":6a3936hp]="Centerfield":6a3936hp]I will be really pissed off if he's good for them.[/quote:6a3936hp] HIs escape from the orange and blue virtually assures him some measure of success. Having said that, once he puts that stupid red hat on I will loathe him like he's a Hawaiian outfielder.[/quote:6a3936hp] Benny Agbayani just filed an anti-defamation suit.[/quote:6a3936hp] Anti-defamation suit? Suing someone for saying good things about you?[/quote:6a3936hp] his reputation as a "bad boy" has been irrepairably tarnished!

thats who she is listed as, but having never been a "Thor" fan growing up i don't know who that is other than being the name of a Norse deity.

I didn't hear him (I didn't know he'd be in the booth ahead of time and didn't care about the all-star game enough to torture myself with Joe Buck) but if he talked baseball I'd be curious hear the replay (I'm sure MLB network has nothing better to do than show the all-star game 14 times in the next 7 days)

IMDB lists Jessica Biel (she was in 7th Heaven and nothing else I've heard of) as being in the upcoming Thor movie as well.

]Loved the White Sox jacket. Not the Cardinals, not an All-Star logo. I'm sure he could have borrowed a Cardinals jacket from Hillary if he'd wanted one, she still has all 30 teams from her campaign.

="Kong76"]I voted no. Take away root root root for the home team and I got nothing. Ny83: you play. to avoid losing. the game. Edwards is a dope <<< At least quote him right. It's, "You play to win the game!" you play. to avoid losing. the game. -- looks pretty dopey on screen in this case. i know exactly what the qoute was, i was making fun of him because that wasnt the way he played, he played to "avoid losing" rather than to win

="bmfc1":1wlqmkut]Herm Edwards would vote no.[/quote:1wlqmkut] you play. to avoid losing. the game. Edwards is a dope. metirish Jul 14 2009 04:28 PM I don't like it , I root for the Mets to win every game they play. It's not like rooting for the Knicks to "win" the lottery .... dgwphotography Jul 14 2009 05:15 PM I rooted for the Mets to lose once, for purely selfish reasons... I still feel dirty over it.... metsguyinmichigan Jul 14 2009 06:08 PM ="dgwphotography":34ppy986]I rooted for the Mets to lose once, for purely selfish reasons... I still feel dirty over it....[/quote:34ppy986] Did you have tickets to a Game 6 or 7? OlerudOwned Jul 14 2009 06:25 PM I root for the Mets to win championships. In turn, I root for whatever will help them toward that goal. I don't want them to consciously throw games, but I don't want them to make a stupid stopgap trade either. Rockin' Doc Jul 14 2009 07:32 PM The Mets are my chosen team and as a fan I have never pulled against them or hoped for them to lose. No matter the rationale, I just can't see myself pulling against the Mets in the future. John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 14 2009 07:56 PM So far the score is 12 with a chance to amount to something in this world, 5 going straight to hell. Edgy DC Jul 14 2009 08:02 PM ="OlerudOwned":2fqz8skc]I root for the Mets to win championships. In turn, I root for whatever will help them toward that goal. I don't want them to consciously throw games, but I don't want them to make a stupid stopgap trade either.[/quote:2fqz8skc] Which isn't the same thing as rooting for them to lose. Basketball and football fans need to put aside their GM-with-a-top-pick fetish fantasies and realize that they're just fans, all they can do is root, and the game in front of them may be the last game they ever see. Kong76 Jul 14 2009 08:15 PM I voted no. Take away root root root for the home team and I got nothing. Ny83: you play. to avoid losing. the game. Edwards is a dope <<< At least quote him right. It's, "You play to win the game!" you play. to avoid losing. the game. -- looks pretty dopey on screen in this case. Willets Point Jul 14 2009 09:21 PM I think a quick look at the Mets draft history should dispel anyone of the hope that a savior will come via that route. I'm not saying it can't happen, just it would be nice to have our team to the best they can this year and then build on that. Nymr83 Jul 14 2009 10:24 PM ="Kong76"]I voted no. Take away root root root for the home team and I got nothing. Ny83: you play. to avoid losing. the game. Edwards is a dope <<< At least quote him right. It's, "You play to win the game!" you play. to avoid losing. the game. -- looks pretty dopey on screen in this case. i know exactly what the qoute was, i was making fun of him because that wasnt the way he played, he played to "avoid losing" rather than to win dgwphotography Jul 15 2009 10:40 AM ="metsguyinmichigan":1hjbvc6x]="dgwphotography":1hjbvc6x]I rooted for the Mets to lose once, for purely selfish reasons... I still feel dirty over it....[/quote:1hjbvc6x] Did you have tickets to a Game 6 or 7?[/quote:1hjbvc6x] I had tickets for September 18, 1986. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 15 2009 11:34 AM ="Gwreck":1ysfshk9]This isn't basketball (or even football) where a top draft pick makes an immediate impact on your team.[/quote:1ysfshk9] Actively rooting for the team to lose is one thing. Wishing after the fact that they'd done a little poorer, especially in a salary-cap league where building through the draft is essential, is quite another. A meaningless, ugly Week 17 win in 2007 cost my Jets 3-4 draft slots-- slots in which stud QB Matt Ryan, explosive RB Darren McFadden, and promising DT Glenn Dorsey were taken (two were need areas for the Jets heading into the season). Baseball-wise, it's different, of course. Edgy DC Jul 15 2009 11:37 AM They ought to reverse the draft order and kill this debate once and for all. Make it winner's ball. Vic Sage Jul 15 2009 02:29 PM never in baseball. but i find it rather easy to root against the Jets and Knicks, as they play out yet another meaningless season, on the off chance they can get lucky in the draft. G-Fafif Jul 15 2009 02:35 PM I rooted for Padres emergency closer Jesse Orosco to retire transient Mets second baseman Roberto Alomar with the game literally on the line in 2003 because Orosco deserved one more save at Shea and Alomar had earned my disgust for more than a year. It being 2003, I somehow knew, even though it was early in the season, it wasn't going to be the one game that cost us a playoff spot. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 15 2009 02:35 PM ="Vic Sage":3i7189te]never in baseball. but i find it rather easy to root against the Jets and Knicks, as they play out yet another meaningless season, on the off chance they can get lucky in the draft.[/quote:3i7189te] Matt Ryan/Darren McFadden could've been ours. OURS!

G-Fafif wrote: When Citi Field gets the ASG, they'll have to have an inside-the-park home run derby. that would actually be more entertaining

what happens if one of those kids in the outfield tries to rob someone of a homerun?

its a good thing the all-star game isn't being held at Citi Field, with a mandatory home team player in the homerun derby the Mets would embarass themselves with their 2 best sluggers on the DL and Wright having lost the HR stroke, the Mets would send out steroid-reject Sheffield to represent the team

Brandon Inge hits ZERO in the first round. I guess he's wishing he'd declined the invitation right about now. an ESPN.com poll says the nation prefers the Home Run Derby to the Slam Dunk Contest 53-47, with only CA, KY, NC, OR, UT, and WY favoring basketball's show the international results may have prevented a big blowout, the 4,000 international voters went 57-43 for basketball. idiots.

dont ask me, i was just glad i didnt get stuck with Mauer, this isnt a batting average contest