nymr83

Dessens hasn't pitched in forever and we're carrying 2 long men (in him and Misch) and a short bench, let him do it.

="Frayed Knot"]And I know this is a typo, but at the moment it's better than the Harry Chiti trade: According to BB-Ref -- July 29: Rockies trade Jason Hirsh to the Rockies for a player to be named. I do hope Hirsch turns out to be that player. he's actually been traded to the Yankees, and given his numbers in AAA this year i hope they plan on using him soon.

I'm not saying he's all that great, just that he's better than the free agent options this offseason. list according to mlbtraderumors.com ]Rich Aurilia (38) Russell Branyan (34) Miguel Cairo (36) Frank Catalanotto (36) - $5MM club option with a $2MM buyout Tony Clark (38) Carlos Delgado (38) Nomar Garciaparra (36) Ross Gload (34) - $2.6MM club option Eric Hinske (32) Nick Johnson (31) Adam LaRoche (30) Doug Mientkiewicz (36) Kevin Millar (38) Chad Tracy (30) - $7MM option with a $1MM buyout Daryle Ward (35) Dmitri Young (36) -$6MM option vests with 500 PAs in '09 Branyan is probably more risk and more upside, same with Johnson (in Johnson's case the "more upside" is he's better, the "more risk" is he gets hurt every year) i think the rest of these guys are flat out worse than Overbay,

The Blue Jays are allegedly shopping 32 year-old Lyle Overbay, who is under contract for next year. Overbay is hitting .250 but with a .370 OBP and 10 homers. Considering the rather weak free agent class at 1B and the uncertainty of Delgado is this something the Mets should look at not just for now but for 2010?

cant we keep this thread and edit the titile?

The Pirates fire-sale continues as the Giants acquire Freddy Sanchez for minor leaue hurler Tim Alderson. this has been a good job reloading by Pittsburgh.

bmfc1 wrote: Castillo will miss tomorrow's game because his wife his having a baby. ughh, women. the next offday is in 2 weeks, hold it in!!

how many years do the lazy "journalists" get to blame every instance of the mets' perceived non-spending of any amount of money on the madoff scandal?

page 2 and we dont even have a lineup.

="metsmarathon":20re0oja]i generally feel that lefty-righty matchups are greatly overrated...[/quote:20re0oja] i think it all depends on the batters and pitchers. there are alot of batters who hit righties well enough to play against them but have no business being out there against lefties (and vice versa). i think there are fewer pitchers that would fit that bill. there are also plenty of guys for whom it doesnt matter much which handed player they are facing. its good to have a lefty "specialist" in the pen (feliciano) but i think we learned last year (with both he and schoenweis) that having two of them means letting them face righties regularly or ending up short on pitchers pretty quickly. if jerry wants to give feliciano a break then he should let other guys face key lefties, acquiring another lefty isnt a big help, and may hurt if the guy is treated as a specialist by jerry. Frayed Knot Jul 29 2009 02:49 PM ="seawolf17"]Cliff Lee and Ben Francisco to the Phils for four minor-leaguers. If you're tradin' for Ben Fran-Cisco be sure to include some prospects in your plan ... Two years in a row the seriously, I just used a racist word when I really meant "Guardians" have had the CY Winner, and two years in a row they've traded him before the following season was out. Frayed Knot Jul 29 2009 05:31 PM Pittsburgh continues to deal: Freddie Sanchez to the Giants for AA pitcher Tim Alderson - considered a pretty decent prospect IIRC. Valadius Jul 29 2009 05:36 PM I'll give it to Pittsburgh - they needed to do something to break their decade-and-a-half cycle of misery, and I think they might finally do it this time. seawolf17 Jul 29 2009 06:24 PM ="Valadius":1s76vjc0]I'll give it to Pittsburgh - they needed to do something to break their decade-and-a-half cycle of misery, and I think they might finally do it this time.[/quote:1s76vjc0] What, by fielding a AAA team at the major league level? The Mets have been there, done that. Valadius Jul 29 2009 06:50 PM I'm talking about two years from now, not right this second. Nymr83 Jul 29 2009 07:34 PM The Pirates fire-sale continues as the Giants acquire Freddy Sanchez for minor leaue hurler Tim Alderson. this has been a good job reloading by Pittsburgh. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 29 2009 07:43 PM They gave ALDERSON for him? Alderson and Bumgartner are the two pitching crown jewels of the Giants system. B's got better stuff, but Alderson, by all reports, has incredible control. Great get by the Pirates. Nymr83 Jul 30 2009 12:48 AM The Blue Jays are allegedly shopping 32 year-old Lyle Overbay, who is under contract for next year. Overbay is hitting .250 but with a .370 OBP and 10 homers. Considering the rather weak free agent class at 1B and the uncertainty of Delgado is this something the Mets should look at not just for now but for 2010? metirish Jul 30 2009 06:34 AM I've always been underwhelmed by Overbay , never seemed to have that big breakout year. I could be wrong on that but he doesn't do much for me. Frayed Knot Jul 30 2009 06:42 AM Overbay is merely OK and will turn 33 before next season starts. Plus is LH so a platoon w/Murphy doesn't really work. The thing about 1Bmen is that a decent one isn't really that hard to find -- so I'm not giving up much, if anything, to get one like Overbay. MFS62 Jul 30 2009 07:05 AM Overbay wasn't even the best first baseman in Jays' history to have a last name starting with "O". Later Frayed Knot Jul 30 2009 07:07 AM Wouldn't be ours either. Edgy DC Jul 30 2009 07:27 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 30 2009 11:17 AM ="Nymr83":o0hvqnu3]The Blue Jays are allegedly shopping 32 year-old Lyle Overbay, who is under contract for next year. Overbay is hitting .250 but with a .370 OBP and 10 homers. Considering the rather weak free agent class at 1B and the uncertainty of Delgado is this something the Mets should look at not just for now but for 2010?[/quote:o0hvqnu3] (oldlunchbucketjoke)Overpay for Overbay!(/oldlunchbucketjoke) MFS62 Jul 30 2009 07:33 AM ="Frayed Knot":mkjbm9g8]Wouldn't be ours either.[/quote:mkjbm9g8] Yup. Later Frayed Knot Jul 30 2009 07:52 AM And I know this is a typo, but at the moment it's better than the Harry Chiti trade: According to BB-Ref -- July 29: Rockies trade Jason Hirsh to the Rockies for a player to be named. I do hope Hirsch turns out to be that player. Nymr83 Jul 30 2009 07:54 AM I'm not saying he's all that great, just that he's better than the free agent options this offseason. list according to mlbtraderumors.com ]Rich Aurilia (38) Russell Branyan (34) Miguel Cairo (36) Frank Catalanotto (36) - $5MM club option with a $2MM buyout Tony Clark (38) Carlos Delgado (38) Nomar Garciaparra (36) Ross Gload (34) - $2.6MM club option Eric Hinske (32) Nick Johnson (31) Adam LaRoche (30) Doug Mientkiewicz (36) Kevin Millar (38) Chad Tracy (30) - $7MM option with a $1MM buyout Daryle Ward (35) Dmitri Young (36) -$6MM option vests with 500 PAs in '09 Branyan is probably more risk and more upside, same with Johnson (in Johnson's case the "more upside" is he's better, the "more risk" is he gets hurt every year) i think the rest of these guys are flat out worse than Overbay, Nymr83 Jul 30 2009 07:55 AM ="Frayed Knot"]And I know this is a typo, but at the moment it's better than the Harry Chiti trade: According to BB-Ref -- July 29: Rockies trade Jason Hirsh to the Rockies for a player to be named. I do hope Hirsch turns out to be that player. he's actually been traded to the Yankees, and given his numbers in AAA this year i hope they plan on using him soon. Edgy DC Jul 30 2009 08:01 AM Let's review. The Bucs have traded their firstbaseman, secondbaseman, and shortstop, spared their thirdbaseman (for now), traded their leftfielder, spared thier centerfielder, and traded thier rightfielder. Their catcher stays. That's 5/8 of their lineup. On pitching, they've been gentler, trading their number four starter (Snell), their number three-ish reliever (Burnett) Joel Hanrahan is as good a mascot for this activity as any, as he actually won a game for the Nats while pitching for the Pirates. John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 30 2009 09:24 AM If Clement is arriving at Pittsburgh, any chance they also trade Doumit? smg58 Jul 30 2009 10:36 AM They traded their centerfielder to the Braves six weeks ago, too. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Doumit gets moved as well. Edgy DC Jul 30 2009 11:06 AM Yeah, I should've counted that three outfielders. Damn. metirish Jul 30 2009 11:09 AM Pirates president Coonelly explains fire sale Posted by: Jon Heyman Pirates president Frank Coonelly, who along with GM Neal Huntington may have the thickest skin in baseball, explained their fire sale in an interview with SI.com. "We feel very good about it. It's tough for the fans, and we understand why. It's tough to see players who were popular and did good things go. But we were not a winning baseball team with the players we had,'' Coonelly said. "Given the ages and service time of those players, if we attempted to patchwork things, we would have been in a very poor position. We would have had Jason Bay, Xavier Nady, Jack Wilson and potentially Freddy Sanchez (he has a vesting option) ready to leave as free agents and get nothing in return. "The reaction of some is negative. But I think most of the fans understand what we're doing and why we're doing it ... I think they understand why these moves are necessary for us to (facilitate) winning Pirates baseball.'' Coonelly won't quite say they are done dealing. Though after trading their longtime double-play combination of Wilson and Sanchez Wednesday following deals of Adam LaRoche and Nate McLouth, Coonelly did say, "We are very close to getting done.'' Reliever John Grabow has been coveted by several teams looking for left-handed bullpen help. So Coonelly can't guarantee the sale is complete. The Pirates received infielder Ronny Cedeno, minor-league hitter Jeff Clement and three Class-A pitching prospects in exchange for Wilson and pitcher Ian Snell, and got well-regarded pitching prospect Tim Alderson back from the Giants for Sanchez. While Giants fans were upset over the loss of Alderson, Coonelly wasn't gloating. Asked whether he thinks Giants fans are right that Alderson will be a star, Coonelly said, "Let's hope so. There's a long list of great prospects who never panned out, and just as long a list of prospects who weren't that highly thought of who became stars. We certainly like Tim.'' Clement, a former No. 3 overall pick, was once considered a big-time prospect. But there are questions now whether he can catch. He'll start as a first baseman in the Pirates organization Vic Sage Jul 30 2009 11:12 AM Doumit is 28, and is a decent defensive catcher with a 280/20 hr bat. I'd take him in a heartbeat, despite his ongoing injury issues. Edgy DC Jul 30 2009 11:25 AM Poor Andy LaRoche. He takes the field every day with an entirely new infield and outfield of borderline players and before he goes to bed looks himself in the mirror and wonders, "Am I not even good enough to trade? Not even to the Mets?" MFS62 Jul 30 2009 12:12 PM Caught the tail end of a sound byte on radio that O. Hernandez has been scratched from his next start. Anyone confirm that? Is he being dealt? Later bmfc1 Jul 30 2009 12:21 PM From Omar's (latest) presser today, as noted by [u:35nri8ss]The Daily News[/u:35nri8ss]: While Manuel said he does not anticipate any moves before tomorrow's trade deadline, Minaya said he's been talking to teams lately and "turned down a couple trades yesterday. Believe it or not, some pretty big names were presented." He also said he had one of his assistants calling another team today about an idea that came up "in the same way we got (Jeff) Francoeur." OlerudOwned Jul 30 2009 12:21 PM ="MFS62":2iteoljm]Caught the tail end of a sound byte on radio that O. Hernandez has been scratched from his next start. Anyone confirm that? Is he being dealt? Later[/quote:2iteoljm] Wait, who? John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 30 2009 12:22 PM Yeah, I think he was DFAed by the rangers a few weeks ago. MFS62 Jul 30 2009 12:31 PM Oops. Meant L. Hernandez. Later Frayed Knot Jul 30 2009 12:46 PM ="Edgy DC":3063ov4l]Poor Andy LaRoche. He takes the field every day with an entirely new infield and outfield of borderline players and before he goes to bed looks himself in the mirror and wonders, "Am I not even good enough to trade? Not even to the Mets?"[/quote:3063ov4l] Except that Andy was one of the guys they traded FOR in the course of their sell-offs. He came from the Dodgers in the three-way Bay/Manny deal. Edgy DC Jul 30 2009 12:48 PM That's so last season. We're talking this year's trades. Catch up. LaRoche is a longtimer now. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 30 2009 01:08 PM ="bmfc1":1t3ovh1v]From Omar's (latest) presser today, as noted by [u:1t3ovh1v]The Daily News[/u:1t3ovh1v]: While Manuel said he does not anticipate any moves before tomorrow's trade deadline, Minaya said he's been talking to teams lately and "turned down a couple trades yesterday. Believe it or not, some pretty big names were presented." He also said he had one of his assistants calling another team today about an idea that came up "in the same way we got (Jeff) Francoeur."[/quote:1t3ovh1v] Oh, Christ, that's scary. Edgy DC Jul 30 2009 01:21 PM Francoeur has been a great addition any way you cut it. Let's try and enjoy it. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 30 2009 01:35 PM ="Edgy DC":37h06uur]Francoeur has been a great addition any way you cut it. Let's try and enjoy it.[/quote:37h06uur] Make no mistake-- I'm enjoying it and him-- between the pluck and the arm and the exuberant country music as his AB-theme, he's tough to root against. That said... Following the same player-eval process that got him here would, in all likelihood, be a grievous mistake. Edgy DC Jul 30 2009 01:38 PM GREVIOUS!! Frayed Knot Jul 30 2009 01:41 PM I suspect what Omar meant was that an asst got wind of a name or two being available while chasing other info. IOW, they didn't necc go after Francoeur but were offered him in the course of persuing other business, not that they're looking for specifically for low-OBP hackers. Some of the best trades happen that way, such as the time Frank Cashen heard the words, "what about Hernandez?", come through his earpiece whilst chatting with the Cardinals about something completely different. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 30 2009 01:44 PM ="Edgy DC"]GREVIOUS!! Yes, grievous. ="Frayed Knot"]... such as the time Frank Cashen heard the words, "what about Hernandez?", come through his earpiece whilst chatting with the Cardinals about something completely different. Is that how the Hernandez trade happened? I dinna know. metirish Jul 30 2009 01:49 PM From a link Edgy linked? earlier from June 13 2004 ] INSIDE PITCH Mets General Manager JIM DUQUETTE said the team was still trying to add players through trades. Duquette has spoken with Kansas City General Manager ALLARD BAIRD about CARLOS BELTRAN, the Royals' center fielder, who will be a free agent after the season. The Mets would like to trade for Beltran, but are not looking to deal the third-base prospect DAVID WRIGHT. If the Mets landed Beltran, they would probably use him in right field and keep MIKE CAMERON in center. Beltran said Friday that he would not sign a long-term contract with a team that would not let him play center field. Frayed Knot Jul 30 2009 01:51 PM ="Nymr83"]="Frayed Knot"]And I know this is a typo, but at the moment it's better than the Harry Chiti trade: According to BB-Ref -- July 29: Rockies trade Jason Hirsh to the Rockies for a player to be named. I do hope Hirsch turns out to be that player. he's actually been traded to the Yankees, and given his numbers in AAA this year i hope they plan on using him soon. His 2009 minor league ERA stands at 6.66 -- is there any other team he could be traded to with those stats? LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 30 2009 01:56 PM ="Frayed Knot"]="Nymr83"]="Frayed Knot"]And I know this is a typo, but at the moment it's better than the Harry Chiti trade: According to BB-Ref -- July 29: Rockies trade Jason Hirsh to the Rockies for a player to be named. I do hope Hirsch turns out to be that player. he's actually been traded to the Yankees, and given his numbers in AAA this year i hope they plan on using him soon. His 2009 minor league ERA stands at 6.66 -- is there any other team he could be traded to with those stats? Fly ball pitcher in MFY Airport/National Bank! JACKPOT. Edgy DC Jul 30 2009 02:02 PM ="Frayed Knot":31ilqb25]I suspect what Omar meant was that an asst got wind of a name or two being available while chasing other info. IOW, they didn't necc go after Francoeur but were offered him in the course of persuing other business, not that they're looking for specifically for low-OBP hackers. Some of the best trades happen that way, such as the time Frank Cashen heard the words, "what about Hernandez?", come through his earpiece whilst chatting with the Cardinals about something completely different.[/quote:31ilqb25] That's my guess. Not very grevious. DocTee Jul 30 2009 05:16 PM Buccos continue bullimic purge, sending Grabow and Gorzelanny to Cubbies. Also, Dodgers land Orioles closer George Sherill to bolster bullpen. Nymr83 Jul 30 2009 06:11 PM ]Poor Andy LaRoche. He takes the field every day with an entirely new infield and outfield of borderline players and before he goes to bed looks himself in the mirror and wonders, "Am I not even good enough to trade? Not even to the Mets?" AND he gets to look over his shoulder every day as their top prospect is 3rd baseman Pedro Alvarez smg58 Jul 30 2009 07:53 PM ="DocTee":ijqu6ckw]Buccos continue bullimic purge, sending Grabow and Gorzelanny to Cubbies. Also, Dodgers land Orioles closer George Sherill to bolster bullpen.[/quote:ijqu6ckw] If the Cubs are stocking up on lefties, that might mean Sean Marshall is available. He'd be a good sleeper pickup assuming the Cubs aren't valuing him highly. Edgy DC Jul 30 2009 08:05 PM I count Capps, Doumit, Dukes, LaRouche, and Maholm still standing. One more day. Valadius Jul 30 2009 08:41 PM Rumor flying around: Mets talking trade with Cleveland and Tampa that might result in the prodigal son returning home. Yes, that's right - Scott Kazmir. [url:1g57httn]http://www.amazinavenue.com/2009/7/30/970076/rumor-mets-talking-3-way-deal-with?ref=yahoo[/url:1g57httn] John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 30 2009 08:54 PM Do not want. Edgy DC Jul 30 2009 09:12 PM Not on a bus. Not with a guy named Gus. Valadius Jul 30 2009 09:21 PM I would much rather have Victor Martinez come our way in that deal instead of to Tampa. Frayed Knot Jul 30 2009 09:28 PM Not to mention that it sounds like that "talk" essentially consists of one web site quoting another. IOW, the Fan-Boy Internet Press Scoop Association (FBIPSA) is in full trade-deadline mode. seawolf17 Jul 31 2009 07:31 AM I'd take Kazmir back. Frayed Knot Jul 31 2009 07:51 AM Pirates lineup on June 11, 2008: Nate McLouth CF Freddy Sanchez 2B Jason Bay LF Ryan Doumit C Xavier Nady RF Adam LaRoche 1B Jose Bautista 3B Jack Wilson SS Ian Snell P That's about 400 days - or only 200 baseball days - ago and yet only Ryan Doumit remains ... and that might only be because it's not 4 o'clock yet. The other thing about this process is that, with the exception of Andy LaRoche and a few back-end pitchers, I don't think any of the guys they dealt [u:1idne2hb]for[/u:1idne2hb] are on the major league roster yet. This whole experiment is going to be a huge wait-and-see project. Nymr83 Jul 31 2009 08:59 AM i like pittsburgh's approach though. the team just isnt very good as constituted and with the exception of Bay i don't consider any of those players to be of the irreplaceable variety. they took the necessary steps to rebuild, i hope ownership is patient enough with the manager and GM to see if it works rather than firing them in two years and letting the next guy reap the benefits of the trades. I think they did a very good job of selling high on a few of these guys, particularly McLouth and Sanchez. Edgy DC Jul 31 2009 09:20 AM They'll survive the season. It's a raw team but no rawer than what the Mets have sent out the last two months. PosGuyBAOBPSLGOPScRyan Doumit.255.324.398.7221bSteve Pearce.184.279.289.5682bDelwyn Young.316.381.427.8083bAndy LaRoche.256.330.372.702ssRonny Cedeno.167.213.290.503lfBrandon Moss.250.310.385.695cfAndrew McCutcheon.275.332.430.762rfGarret Jones.323.375.7291.104 John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 31 2009 09:53 AM Tigers trade for Jerrod Washburn, rumored for some time to be bound for the MFYs. Lefty pitchers Luke French and Mauricio Robles going to Seattle. Frayed Knot Jul 31 2009 11:08 AM ="Edgy DC":yh9lywsb]They'll survive the season. It's a raw team but no rawer than what the Mets have sent out the last two months. PosGuyBAOBPSLGOPScRyan Doumit.255.324.398.7221bSteve Pearce.184.279.289.5682bDelwyn Young.316.381.427.8083bAndy LaRoche.256.330.372.702ssRonny Cedeno.167.213.290.503lfBrandon Moss.250.310.385.695cfAndrew McCutcheon.275.332.430.762rfGarret Jones.323.375.7291.104[/quote:yh9lywsb] Of course the best of those raw guys are McCutcheon and Jones who were coming anyway. My objection isn't that they're going about it the wrong way but that they seem intent on trading everyone whether they get a good return or not. A lot of Can-Miss guys in that haul. Farmer Ted Jul 31 2009 11:46 AM Minny lands Orlando Cabrera from the A's. I never understood the Orlando attraction. metirish Jul 31 2009 11:49 AM Claudio Vargas back to the Brewers from LA for a minor league catcher.....Vinny Rottino MFS62 Jul 31 2009 11:51 AM ="Farmer Ted":1md20mfn]Minny lands Orlando Cabrera from the A's. I never understood the Orlando attraction.[/quote:1md20mfn] What was confusing about EPCOT? The trade was for a kid shortstop named Ladendorf (sp?). No link yet. Later Valadius Jul 31 2009 01:25 PM Joe Beimel traded to Rockies. Nymr83 Jul 31 2009 01:27 PM Victor Martinez to Boston, Adam LaRoche to the Braves in two seperate but related deals. Nymr83 Jul 31 2009 01:28 PM Jerry Hairston jr. to the Evil Empire Fman99 Jul 31 2009 01:29 PM Aw we're just sitting on our dongs doing nothing! C'mon, Omar. When you're done offending white people get on the stick, get us another arm/bat. Edgy DC Jul 31 2009 01:30 PM No news = good news. Nymr83 Jul 31 2009 01:30 PM What did I miss? when was Omar "offending white people"? Valadius Jul 31 2009 01:30 PM Okay - Boston still has an overload of corner infielders. Now they have Youkilis, Mike Lowell, V-Mart, and Casey Kotchman. One of them can be had. Valadius Jul 31 2009 01:32 PM Heath Bell may be headed to the Dodgers. John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 31 2009 01:34 PM Apparently a deal that would send Bell to the Marlins fell though. Another deal discussing Bell & Adrian Gonzo to the Dodgers for Loney + Fman99 Jul 31 2009 01:39 PM ="Nymr83":mq4iuo9l]What did I miss? when was Omar "offending white people"?[/quote:mq4iuo9l] Just Rubin. Valadius Jul 31 2009 01:39 PM Rolen to the Reds. metirish Jul 31 2009 01:40 PM SI_JonHeyman: rolen has been traded to the reds. he just has to waive his no trade clause. indy boy cant turn down cincy, can he? John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 31 2009 01:40 PM Scott Rolen to the Reds. "Mets aren;t doing anything" Heyman adds bmfc1 Jul 31 2009 01:42 PM ="Edgy DC":f3ne8dnq]No news = good news.[/quote:f3ne8dnq] Why? Are the Mets are such a powerhouse that they can't be improved or a trade would be a mistake, a la Zambrano/Kazmir, given their place in the standings, or you don't trust Omar to make a deal that's good for the Mets. Omar should do something to show the team that management believes they can still make the playoffs. It maybe symbolic but it's a vote of confidence. metirish Jul 31 2009 01:45 PM ="bmfc1":12wu0gbu]="Edgy DC":12wu0gbu]No news = good news.[/quote:12wu0gbu] Why? Are the Mets are such a powerhouse that they can't be improved or a trade would be a mistake, a la Zambrano/Kazmir, given their place in the standings, or you don't trust Omar to make a deal that's good for the Mets. Omar should do something to show the team that management believes they can still make the playoffs. It maybe symbolic but it's a vote of confidence.[/quote:12wu0gbu] I'd like some action too but this team is more than one impact player away ,don't you think? Nymr83 Jul 31 2009 01:46 PM The Reds have reportedly traded for Scott Roleb, subject to Rolen's approval(NT Clause) Valadius Jul 31 2009 01:48 PM Sean Smith to the Jays. Fman99 Jul 31 2009 01:49 PM Nationals deal Joe Biemel to Colorado for two minor leaguers. Edgy DC Jul 31 2009 01:49 PM ="bmfc1"]="Edgy DC"]No news = good news. Why? Are the Mets are such a powerhouse that they can't be improved or a trade would be a mistake, a la Zambrano/Kazmir, given their place in the standings, or you don't trust Omar to make a deal that's good for the Mets. Omar should do something to show the team that management believes they can still make the playoffs. It maybe symbolic but it's a vote of confidence. I think many trades can do more harm than good. I don't think that trading at the deadline shows belief that a team can make the playoffs. I think it shows belief that it can't without mystical craftiness. And mystical craftiness too often turns out to be hokum. Valadius Jul 31 2009 01:50 PM Hairston deal apparently sends the vaunted Austin Jackson to Cincy. bmfc1 Jul 31 2009 01:50 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 31 2009 01:51 PM ="metirish":3c3fy6qu]I'd like some action too but this team is more than one impact player away ,don't you think?[/quote:3c3fy6qu] Unless the one player is Babe Ruth, yes I agree but I'd be happy with something minor, such as Aubrey Huff. The Mets were supposed to be after a lefty RP but Joe Beimel went to Colorado for 2 minor leaguers. Edgy DC Jul 31 2009 01:50 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 31 2009 01:51 PM I'm hoping that the Mets acquire Carlos Beltran, Carlos Delgado, John Maine, Jose Reyes and Billy Wagner and give up nothing. Not too many teams have a chance to do that. metirish Jul 31 2009 01:51 PM MFY's apparently sent Austin Jackson to Cincy in that deal , is he a highly touted prospect? bmfc1 Jul 31 2009 01:52 PM lenno212 No #Mets lineup yet. Hmm. Last time this happened, Church was sent to Atlanta. Nymr83 Jul 31 2009 01:52 PM ="metirish":1kmxpyuu]MFY's apparently sent Austin Jackson to Cincy in that deal , is he a highly touted prospect?[/quote:1kmxpyuu] yes. kinda suprised hairston was worth that much. metirish Jul 31 2009 01:53 PM the buzz around Citi Field continues to suggest the Mets will not be making any major deals today� �in fact, as reporters file in to the ballpark, they�ll encounter team officials, media reps, etc., and if something was going down we�d probably have known about it by now� �in the end, i believe the Mets had options, but they chose to hang on to their top prospects, knowing a) players will be available on the waiver wire, and getting Jose Reyes, Carlos Delgado, Carlos Beltran and Billy Wagner is better than any one trade they could have possibly made� metsblog metirish Jul 31 2009 01:55 PM ="Nymr83":2llmme19]="metirish":2llmme19]MFY's apparently sent Austin Jackson to Cincy in that deal , is he a highly touted prospect?[/quote:2llmme19] yes. kinda suprised hairston was worth that much.[/quote:2llmme19] not true now apparently.......I was wary of this becasue this guy gets mentioned in every big deal that's talked about for them.....close to untouchable bmfc1 Jul 31 2009 02:03 PM Edgy's happy but I'm not. Omar confirms my opinion that he is an awful in-season GM. He can wine, dine, schmooze, and attract big name FAs but for the second year in a row, he failed to make a deadline deal to help the team. metirish Jul 31 2009 02:04 PM ck Johnson to the Marlins per fox sports Edgy DC Jul 31 2009 02:08 PM ="bmfc1"]Edgy's happy but I'm not. Omar confirms my opinion that he is an awful in-season GM. He can wine, dine, schmooze, and attract big name FAs but for the second year in a row, he failed to make a deadline deal to help the team. Awful GMs make deals that hurt teams. "You've gotta know when to hold." --- K. Rogers Nymr83 Jul 31 2009 02:09 PM Johnson to the Marlins for AA-lefty Aaron Thompson. never heard of him. bmfc1 Jul 31 2009 02:10 PM Does that mean that Omar is an awful GM? Good GMs get creative to help their teams. Omar certainly isn't a good GM. Is someone going to start an IGT with a clever name. The lineup is in. Edgy DC Jul 31 2009 02:13 PM ="bmfc1"]Does that mean that Omar is an awful GM? Does what mean that? ]Good GMs get creative to help their teams. Trades aren't the only way to help a team. Often, perhaps half the time or more, not trading has helped a team more. Nymr83 Jul 31 2009 02:13 PM ="Nymr83":28x0vm8e]Johnson to the Marlins for AA-lefty Aaron Thompson. never heard of him.[/quote:28x0vm8e] and the Nats are paying the salary. wow, are the marlins the cheapest franchise on earth or what? metirish Jul 31 2009 02:14 PM I'd rather do nothing than trade for a Huff or Scott Downs for the bullpen...... Valadius Jul 31 2009 02:14 PM I started the IGT already. bmfc1 Jul 31 2009 02:14 PM Do you think that Omar is incapable of making a good trade so any trade would be bad? Frayed Knot Jul 31 2009 02:15 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 31 2009 02:18 PM ="Valadius":nlpyoup8]Hairston deal apparently sends the vaunted Austin Jackson to Cincy.[/quote:nlpyoup8] Wow! Not a sure-fire future star but is potentially one and he's a guy they spent a decent signing bonus on in order to wrest him away from a hoops scholarship (Arizona I think) --- sounds like a lot to spend for essentially a good utility man. Essentially this is the price paid for Brent Gardener breaking his hand (finger?) last week. Ceetar Jul 31 2009 02:16 PM metsblog mentioned it earlier, and I noticed it last night, but apparently the Yankees are having money concerns? Supposedly they balked at the idea of paying Bannister's 650k salary. Edgy DC Jul 31 2009 02:16 PM ="bmfc1":1ihptp6l]Do you think that Omar is incapable of making a good trade so any trade would be bad?[/quote:1ihptp6l] No. I don't think he or anybody is incapable of making a good trade. I'm still trying to figure out the last question. Nymr83 Jul 31 2009 02:17 PM Scott Rolen has reportedly waived his no trade clause and escaped hockey loving Canada to play baseball in Cincinatti. metirish Jul 31 2009 02:18 PM ="Frayed Knot":11hlah5p]="Valadius":11hlah5p]Hairston deal apparently sends the vaunted Austin Jackson to Cincy.[/quote:11hlah5p] Wow![/quote:11hlah5p] That was posted and then I posted it here but apparently it's not true. bmfc1 Jul 31 2009 02:19 PM And I'm trying to figure out why the GM of a team under .500 with hopes of making the playoffs couldn't make a trade. Edgy--I'm not going to continue this but congrats to you that nothing was done. If they make the playoffs, I'll eat crow and buy you a drink. Nymr83 Jul 31 2009 02:24 PM ="bmfc1":pmjfgign]And I'm trying to figure out why the GM of a team under .500 with hopes of making the playoffs couldn't make a trade. Edgy--I'm not going to continue this but congrats to you that nothing was done. If they make the playoffs, I'll eat crow and buy you a drink.[/quote:pmjfgign] even if they don't make the playoffs they've done fine not making a trade unless they miss the playoffs by a number of games that the potentially traded-for player would have won them. trading for Nick Johnson and missing the playoffs by 2 games instead of missing it by 4 without him only hurts the team's farm system. I look at net games back and i don't see a team that should trade even a small part of the future for help in 2009. if the guy you were acquiring would still be under contract for 2010 thats another issue, but this shouldnt be treated as a 'win now' team Nymr83 Jul 31 2009 02:26 PM Heyman is reporting that Peavy has been dealt to the White Sox again, no word on if he has agreed to it this time. Frayed Knot Jul 31 2009 02:27 PM I propose we trade Sullivan and/or Reed, plus Berroa and Cancel for Reyes, Beltran & Delgado sometime in the next few weeks. That'll improve the team. Edgy DC Jul 31 2009 02:28 PM ="bmfc1":488nciud]And I'm trying to figure out why the GM of a team under .500 with hopes of making the playoffs couldn't make a trade.[/quote:488nciud] Because, in theory, the only available trades may have hurt them in the long term more than helped them in the short term. Or hurt them flat out. John Cougar Lunchbucket Jul 31 2009 02:33 PM Jake PV to the White Sox: This time it's for real. Edgy DC Jul 31 2009 02:33 PM Fo nucking way! metirish Jul 31 2009 02:34 PM Big guns that didn't go Halladay and Gonzalez duan Jul 31 2009 02:37 PM as everyone else has rightly pointed out, the pieces that this team needs are the ones that are on the DL, if heaven forbid, we're back IN a race over the next two weeks, there's plenty of time then to get an Aubrey Huff type power bat who'll float through waivers cause of salary. I don't see anyone out there who got traded that I think would have helped a healthy mets team bar Victor Martinez, Jake Peavy & Cliff Lee.I don't think we were really in the race to get them and they all have plenty of limitations. Frayed Knot Jul 31 2009 03:05 PM ="metirish"]="Frayed Knot"]="Valadius"]Hairston deal apparently sends the vaunted Austin Jackson to Cincy. Wow! That was posted and then I posted it here but apparently it's not true. Well then never mind my above rant. The truth apparently: The Reds received minor league catcher Chase Weems in the deal. The 20-year-old Weems was batting .260 with a homer and 14 RBIs in 55 games with Class-A Charleston this season. He was picked in the sixth round of the 2007 draft. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 31 2009 03:11 PM ="Edgy DC"]="bmfc1"]Edgy's happy but I'm not. Omar confirms my opinion that he is an awful in-season GM. He can wine, dine, schmooze, and attract big name FAs but for the second year in a row, he failed to make a deadline deal to help the team. Awful GMs make deals that hurt teams. "You've gotta know when to hold." --- K. Rogers Hear, hear. I'm in Edge's corner on this. They moved the Peavy? Those crazy bastards! (A LOT of good young arms on the Pods now.) Nymr83 Jul 31 2009 03:22 PM Peavy was a good young arm, and under contract a few more years, I don't know who they got yet but its hard to believe its worth it for a guy you're not about to lose. Farmer Ted Jul 31 2009 03:55 PM Which of the three...Washburn, Peavy, or Halladay...will be with the Mets next year? MFS62 Jul 31 2009 04:13 PM Omar's like the ugly girl - all alone by the telephone - waiting for a call inviting her to the dance. Later smg58 Jul 31 2009 05:01 PM Minaya could very easily have been told not to take on more payroll for this season, so I wouldn't point the finger too quickly. I actually think the fact that Halladay is still a Jay is a good thing -- assuming you can wait until the offseason to obtain him. Peavy is guaranteed $52M over the next 3 seasons and is now an established injury risk who'll fail to reach 175 IP for the second straight year. I'm perfectly OK with passing on him. I wouldn't have minded V-Mart, though. metirish Jul 31 2009 05:51 PM I just don't get the Minaya bashing today , if he had traded for Francouer today would the people who are unhappy be happy with that? I read in one of the rags the other day.....Madden I think it was proclaiming that Minaya NEEDED to get Halladay to change the subject around the team. Could you blame the guy if he did that , make a splash trade for the sake of it? , I'd love to have a Halladay or a Peavey but would have preferred V Martinez. At what cost though would they have come for? I'm not upset that we didn't get middle of the road players and never expected top tier players so i am not disappointed. MFS62 Jul 31 2009 06:14 PM Not bashing. Just saying. Add me to the group who didn't want to see a deal that drained the farm of key prospects. As Edgy said, no news = good news. Later seawolf17 Jul 31 2009 06:19 PM I actually would have liked to see them move some guys, like Livan or Schneider, even if just for middling prospects. But I'm okay with inaction too. Let's get healthy, fellas! Nymr83 Aug 01 2009 12:53 AM ESPN had the Pirates deals put together for convenience ]IN: RHP Nathan Adcock, RHP Tim Alderson, RHP Jose Ascanio, SS Ronny Cedeno, 1B Jeff Clement, SS Argenis Diaz, RHP Joel Hanrahan, RHP Kevin Hart, OF Gorkys Hernandez, RHP Jeff Locke, RHP Brett Lorin, OF Lastings Milledge, RHP Charlie Morton, RHP Aaron Pribanic, RHP Hunter Strickland OUT: RHP Sean Burnett, LHP Tom Gorzelanny, LHP John Grabow, OF Eric Hinske, 1B Adam LaRoche, OF Nate McLouth, OF Nyjer Morgan, INF Freddy Sanchez, RHP Ian Snell, SS Jack Wilson dgwphotography Aug 01 2009 05:17 AM Personally, I'm glad Omar didn't make any deals. This team is too many players away from contending right now, and I just didn't want him to do any more damage.... As FK said, trading Sullivan, Reed, plus Berroa and Cancel for Reyes, Beltran & Delgado sometime in the next few weeks would be the best trade possible... metirish Aug 01 2009 07:52 AM Minaya ] �As a general manager, I�ve been six games out before, and it�s kind of hard to go out and make a trade,� Minaya said. �And you guys know our situation. The situation is not one player. Our situation is a couple players.� In the clubhouse, no one seemed concerned that he might be traded � or, for that matter, that anyone else would be. Only a few players lounged on couches watching updates on the MLB Network, as many more bolted outside to fly a remote-controlled helicopter Wright ] �I don�t think the reason for our record being what it is is that we needed one more piece,� David Wright said. �It�s that we played poorly at times and we�re pretty banged up. We�re not one piece away that�s going to put us over the top at the trade deadline. It�s not like we�re not going to get more than that when we get these guys healthy.� Rockin' Doc Aug 01 2009 09:04 AM No one player was going to suddenly put this team over the top. Injuries have been the story of this season. All teams get hit with injuries and must work to overcome them, the Mets have unfortunately been with a rash of long term injuries to a multitiude of their key players. I'm more disappointed at the lost opportunity to see how good this team could have been this season had they not been decimated with injuries, than I am over the absence of any desperate trades in hopes of miraculously putting this team into contention. Vince Coleman Firecracker Aug 01 2009 10:41 AM I'm with Seawolf. Would have liked to see Omar sell off a few players. Valadius Aug 01 2009 11:25 AM I would have liked to see another lefty for the bullpen, at least. Edgy DC Aug 01 2009 11:51 AM We have Misch, and we're getting Wagner, and I'm uncertain anybody else will have made a difference worth giving somebody up for, except that maybe Manuel may trust an import more than he does Misch. Valadius Aug 01 2009 12:33 PM Honestly, I don't think Misch knows how to get Jerry to trust him enough to get him in a meaningful game. Edgy DC Aug 01 2009 01:44 PM And if our issue is that it takes a trade for Manuel to give somebody a chance who may or may not be better than a pitcher he's got rotting in the back of the bullpen, its' not a trade we should be clamoring for. metirish Aug 01 2009 04:33 PM ="Valadius":oqm0lk9w]Honestly, I don't think Misch knows how to get Jerry to trust him enough to get him in a meaningful game.[/quote:oqm0lk9w] What is this " Days of our Lives"? Frayed Knot Aug 01 2009 08:37 PM Back to the Pirates for a sec; 3 HRs for McCutcheon today (and power is supposed to be his weakest suit). Would have been nice to see him in an OF [u:3uw4r55j]WITH[/u:3uw4r55j] McLouth and a few of the others. btw, they brought up Milledge as one of the guys tying to fill all these newly created spots. Fman99 Aug 01 2009 09:15 PM ="Frayed Knot":qeskhzrl]Back to the Pirates for a sec; 3 HRs for McCutcheon today (and power is supposed to be his weakest suit). Would have been nice to see him in an OF [u:qeskhzrl]WITH[/u:qeskhzrl] McLouth and a few of the others. btw, they brought up Milledge as one of the guys tying to fill all these newly created spots.[/quote:qeskhzrl] Good, I am still rooting for LMillz and his gangsta ass. Valadius Aug 02 2009 07:55 AM My most lasting memory of Lastings: Nymr83 Aug 02 2009 08:07 AM ="Valadius":narzpqw5]My most lasting memory of Lastings[/quote:narzpqw5] first drink my ass. Valadius Aug 02 2009 08:23 AM ="Nymr83":1zjqc8zc]="Valadius":1zjqc8zc]My most lasting memory of Lastings[/quote:1zjqc8zc] first drink my ass.[/quote:1zjqc8zc] Exactly.

i'd be upset if a legit mets prospect got dealt for a reliever. a 4 game win streak is nice but it doesnt mean we need to go make another kazmir trade while pretending to be in contention.

They also didnt give up Michael Taylor. . If they had a choice between this trade and a deal involving Happ, Drabek, and someone other guys for Halladay I think they made the right move.

="John Cougar Lunchbucket"]Hey I'd have liked Wilson and Snell. Wilson just as a Cora upgrade and Snell as a Ollieesque rotation wildcard. I'd like to have Wilson as exactly what I said he is to any decent team, a FILL-IN while Reyes is hurt. I wouldn't want to touch Snell, he's the less-upside version of Oliver Perez. ]Clement's a prize, though... at least hitting. I remember hearing somewhere that the Mariners were trying him out at first. Does anyone know if he's that bad behind the plate? I doubt the Mariners would deal him for these guys if they thought he had a future at catcher. the Pirates have Ryan Doumit anyway, and just traded away Adam LaRoche, so they probably envision him at 1B as well. Pearce can move back to the outfield.

Seattle gets Jack Wilson and Ian Snell from Pittsburgh for Jeff Clement, Ronny Cedeno, Aaron Pribanic, Brett Lorin and Nathan Adcock. Cedeno sucks and I've never heard of the last 3 guys, but Pittsburgh did well to acquire Clement for Wilson, who is a fill-in on any decent team, and Snell who owns a 4.75 ERA and 1.53 WHIP over nearly 700 major league innings.

Ripken and Gwynn would be my top choices, but its hard to say than anyone is above suspicion

I don't often believe radar guns, but this seemed to be the hardest Pelfrey was throwing all year if you believe Burkhardt and the booth. Remember when his college coach came on a few starts ago and wondered where his velocity went? maybe he found it. this outing was nice in terms of results, but there were too many baserunners to make me feel that Pelfrey has suddenly turned a corner.

="Rockin' Doc":z86jg3kb] Buehrle works quickly and throws strikes. Two attributes that more pitchers should emulate. [/quote:z86jg3kb] without a doubt. this is something that should be obvious even to people playing softball at the park... when you dont waste time between pitches the defense is more alert Fman99 Jul 29 2009 06:31 AM ="MFS62"]A quick side note (maybe this belongs in the "In The Booth" thread): During the Mets post-game radio show tonight, Wayne Hagan said "Mark was relieved by ex-Houston Astro Octavio Dotel". Methinks Wayne needs to take some additional classes in his Met-ucation. Back to topic. Mark is a pitcher, in the finest sense of the word. When I saw the highlights of his perfect game, I don't recall seeing the radar gun top 87 MPH on any of his pitches. I agree with Doc, more pitchers should emulate him. Later Wayne's a mercenary. He's got no pedigree. I don't want anyone doing Mets games that's not a) a former Met player or a lifelong Met fan. Gary, Howie, Ron, Keith. That's it. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jul 29 2009 09:49 AM ="Fman99"]="MFS62"]A quick side note (maybe this belongs in the "In The Booth" thread): During the Mets post-game radio show tonight, Wayne Hagan said "Mark was relieved by ex-Houston Astro Octavio Dotel". Methinks Wayne needs to take some additional classes in his Met-ucation. Back to topic. Mark is a pitcher, in the finest sense of the word. When I saw the highlights of his perfect game, I don't recall seeing the radar gun top 87 MPH on any of his pitches. I agree with Doc, more pitchers should emulate him. Later Wayne's a mercenary. He's got no pedigree. I don't want anyone doing Mets games that's not a) a former Met player or a lifelong Met fan. Gary, Howie, Ron, Keith. That's it. I would deal with it better if he were a superlative radio guy, instead of just pretty good. But... he can't... seem to shake that habit... ... of letting his descriptions drag way behind the play. SteveJRogers Jul 29 2009 10:12 AM ="Fman99"] Wayne's a mercenary. He's got no pedigree. I don't want anyone doing Mets games that's not a) a former Met player or a lifelong Met fan. Gary, Howie, Ron, Keith. That's it. Hmmmm And the guy on the left was good when he was in the Met booth, sure he got wacked out since going national, but still HahnSolo Jul 29 2009 10:16 AM What a head of hair on Steve Zabriskie.

the Maine shirt in the middle looks like a San Francisco Giants jersey. the red one with Mets in gold is the ugliest thing i've ever seen (besides those multi-color yankee hats) the one on the far right is a decent looking shirt

and the very next batter singles to break it up. 1 million people just closed gamecast simultaneously.

Buerhle issues a walk to end his batters retired streak at a record 45. no-hitter still intact.

it looks to me like the ump missed that one, Castillo was a dead duck at the plate.

Carlos Gomez works a full count but fouls out on the 3-2 pitch

]Keith just makes me laugh every time he goes on about how important icing an injury overnight it, he's so adamant about his technique. Ron Hunt it was that told him , ice it all night and you'll play the next day. hey if Hunt says it then its gotta be true, he got hit FIFTY times in a year!

he's perfect through 5 tonight, retiring a new major league record 42 batters in a row.

Wright just lost ANOTHER homer to Citi Field, hitting it off the one part of the fence in center thats higher than the rest (right in front of the apple)