Benjamin Grimm

If that happens I'll get something additional!

I just made a purchase from the vultures who are taking apart Shea Stadium. The front staircase in my house is going to have, hanging above it, a sign directing visitors up to the Loge level. Those going down the stairs will be directed to the Gate B exit. I think this will be much cooler than a pair of stadium seats! I was told that they have to have Shea emptied of all removable parts by this coming Monday. At that point everything will be carted to their warehouse in New Jersey and shipped from there. I should have my sign by the end of October or early November. They couldn't tell me the shipping fee. I'll have to just hope it's not too much. I thought about it and decided that I'd be more likely to regret NOT getting a piece of Shea Stadium than I would be to regret spending the money. The sign will cost about as much as a few nights in a hotel room when we're on vacation. ($500) I'm guessing the shipping will be about another $100 more.

The Family Restroom sign from the Upper Deck (I peed in that room just a few weeks ago!) started bidding at $25 and now it's at $185. And there's nothing "Shea" or "Mets" about it. If it had a picture of Mr. Met taking a leak in a urinal, then it wouldn't be quite as bad. I may yet splurge on something. Depends on how irrational I decide to allow myself to be.

Oh, by the way G-Fafif, your name, I think, was mentioned in a UMDB memory that I posted yesterday. (http://www.leaptoad.com/mets/memrecent.php?tabno=4) If you'd like me to edit your name out of that post just let me know and I'll be glad to do it.

Good question. A Willie Mays Mets jersey ought to be from 1973. Of course, Willie was a coach with the team in 1978. (I don't remember, though, was he with the team full time or just in spring training?) His time with the Mets ended when he and Mickey Mantle were banned from baseball because they had some kind of promotional jobs with a casino in Atlantic City. When the ban was eventually lifted, Willie reconnected with the San Francisco Giants and hasn't been involved at all with the Mets until last Sunday.

I'm not making any effort to avoid the playoffs, I'm just not inclined to watch them. I remember being glued to the postseason games because I enjoyed seeing baseball's historic moments as they happened: the homers by Kirk Gibson and Joe Carter, Jack Morris' gem against the Braves for the Twins, Leon Durham's error, that fantastic NLCS between the Phillies and the Astros in 1980. But now, if these big things happen, I not only don't see them, I probably don't even find out about them. And I'm okay with that.

I had a huge lump in my throat. Those idiots in the media who said "nobody cares that Shea Stadium is going away" had no idea what they were talking about. I wish I had been there for that. (My daughter, as she was watching with me, said she wanted to get in a plane and get there before it finished. She didn't even know who all those old men were, but she could tell that something special was happening.) Very very nicely done. As I said in one other thread here somewhere, I would have only made two additions: Keith Hernandez in the batter's box as Seaver pitched to Piazza. Jerry Koosman and Jesse Orosco shaking hands on the pitcher's mound.

Is anybody considering bidding on any of the pieces of Shea that are currently being auctioned off? Me, I'm thinking I'll go as high as $1,000 for that mustard dispenser.

="AG/DC":3b0672z9]Woody is available in seventies-action all white. http://www.cafepress.com/CranePoolShop[/quote:3b0672z9] You know, this was posted while I was away on vacation and I completely missed it! I remember you asked me about the Doug Flynn picture but I never even though to wonder why. Nice job! AG/DC Oct 07 2008 08:37 AM That smile looks like it hurts. Who put Kingman on happy drugs? batmagadanleadoff Oct 07 2008 08:38 AM Mitchell & Ness makes a 1978 Willie Mays Mets jersey. Perhaps the company would be willing to custom make a #23 jersey in that style. Or sell you that jersey without any numbers, so that you could customize the jersey on your own. It's worth a call. soupcan Oct 07 2008 09:03 AM ="batmagadanleadoff":3rn9lbs3]It's worth a call.[/quote:3rn9lbs3] Yes it certainly is! Thanks. mario25 Oct 07 2008 09:42 AM I actually own Willie Montanez number 25 Mets game used jersey from 1979. I bought it on ebay from the seller Ball Park Heroes for 95.00. They actually bought all of the uni's from the Mets. They have a Claudell Washington jersey on Ebay now item number 220290554635. I would shoot them an email and see if they have number 23. Flynn is an awesome guy by the way...I met him at Fantasy Camp and he is a really cool dude. Good luck and anyone who has any games on vhs or dvd from 78-79 Mets or how I could get them please let me know....thanks Mario soupcan Oct 07 2008 10:54 AM Thanks mario. I'm not necessarily looking for game-used but I'll take what I can get. The Mets had some company make these things, I need to find that company while they still have the patterns accesible so they hopefully wouldn't chrage me an arm and a leg. HahnSolo Oct 07 2008 11:37 AM Soupcan, SNY on one of their shows this year did a feature on the guy who does all the stitching of the Mets uniforms, and he did mention that he did all their "special" stitching, specifically mentioning that he did the '86 20th Anniversary stitching. So my guess is that they probably did the stitching for the Shea Goodbye. Which means that they (or the Mets) had to get those Unis from somewhere. don't remember the name of the place but it is local (either Brooklyn or Queens). Maybe someone at SNY could give you their name? soupcan Oct 07 2008 11:43 AM Good idea - I'll look into that as well. John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 07 2008 11:45 AM Ross Gompers soupcan Oct 07 2008 11:54 AM Okay I now have several emails out to various outlets based on everybody's input. Thanks very much and I'll let you all know how my search progresses! John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 07 2008 11:57 AM Get me a John Milner while you're at it. soupcan Oct 07 2008 12:10 PM Sure. Anybody else got a request? metirish Oct 07 2008 12:12 PM ="HahnSolo":30e6vvu4]Soupcan, SNY on one of their shows this year did a feature on the guy who does all the stitching of the Mets uniforms, and he did mention that he did all their "special" stitching, specifically mentioning that he did the '86 20th Anniversary stitching. So my guess is that they probably did the stitching for the Shea Goodbye. Which means that they (or the Mets) had to get those Unis from somewhere. don't remember the name of the place but it is local (either Brooklyn or Queens). Maybe someone at SNY could give you their name?[/quote:30e6vvu4] Good call , i saw that show, was very interesting too. G-Fafif Oct 07 2008 12:52 PM Whenever I imagine myself playing for the Mets (and ignoring the competitive consequences for the team), that, the '81 uniform, is the one I'm wearing. It's the one they would have had me hold up at the press conference after signing right out of high school. A couple of weeks at Jackson and I would have been good to go. In my dreams. soupcan Oct 07 2008 01:18 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":3sqjrxkp]Mitchell & Ness makes a 1978 Willie Mays Mets jersey.[/quote:3sqjrxkp] Only a few left and all size 4XL. Why the hell would they make a Willie Mays jersey from 1978? Benjamin Grimm Oct 07 2008 01:21 PM Good question. A Willie Mays Mets jersey ought to be from 1973. Of course, Willie was a coach with the team in 1978. (I don't remember, though, was he with the team full time or just in spring training?) His time with the Mets ended when he and Mickey Mantle were banned from baseball because they had some kind of promotional jobs with a casino in Atlantic City. When the ban was eventually lifted, Willie reconnected with the San Francisco Giants and hasn't been involved at all with the Mets until last Sunday. batmagadanleadoff Oct 07 2008 05:22 PM About 10 years ago, M&N did make a 1973 Mays Mets jersey. Sometime thereafter, M&N became a wildly successful vintage uniform manufacturer ... particularly with the hip-hop crowd. That segment favors unreasonably large sized jerseys. M&N caters to their hip-hop customers. Hence the 4XL sizes. With respect to Russ Gompers, that would be "Stitches", in Queens. They've been lettering and numbering Mets uniforms since the early '90's. They weren't involved with the Mets when the team wore their two button pullovers. The last name lettering on some of those unis (definitely '79 and '80, maybe '81) was the most unique font the Mets ever used for their player last names. Thick, and wide, and each letter noticeably distant from the next, even on long last names. If anyone can dig up a photo of the back of Kranepool's '79 uniform, you'd see what I mean. His last name was a semi-circle, beginning and ending below his armpits. Both the "K" and the "L" were entirely sideways, 90 degrees from upright. soupcan Oct 07 2008 07:47 PM After a few emails to different sources it turns out that M&N was in fact the provider of those jerseys at the Shea ceremonies. I am now waiting with baited breath for them to tell me whether or not they are willing to produce a one-off for me and if so what the cost might be. metirish Oct 07 2008 08:10 PM ="soupcan":jpz2yo9y]After a few emails to different sources it turns out that M&N was in fact the provider of those jerseys at the Shea ceremonies. I am now waiting with baited breath for them to tell me whether or not they are willing to produce a one-off for me and if so what the cost might be.[/quote:jpz2yo9y] I'm guessing that they will do it for $500. John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 07 2008 08:48 PM I might know a guy G-Fafif Oct 07 2008 10:35 PM ="batmagadanleadoff":1mub057a]About 10 years ago, M&N did make a 1973 Mays Mets jersey. Sometime thereafter, M&N became a wildly successful vintage uniform manufacturer ... particularly with the hip-hop crowd. That segment favors unreasonably large sized jerseys. M&N caters to their hip-hop customers. Hence the 4XL sizes. With respect to Russ Gompers, that would be "Stitches", in Queens. They've been lettering and numbering Mets uniforms since the early '90's. They weren't involved with the Mets when the team wore their two button pullovers. The last name lettering on some of those unis (definitely '79 and '80, maybe '81) was the most unique font the Mets ever used for their player last names. Thick, and wide, and each letter noticeably distant from the next, even on long last names. If anyone can dig up a photo of the back of Kranepool's '79 uniform, you'd see what I mean. His last name was a semi-circle, beginning and ending below his armpits. Both the "K" and the "L" were entirely sideways, 90 degrees from upright.[/quote:1mub057a] One of the strangest sensations I've ever had as a Mets fan was tuning in the opener from Wrigley in '79 and seeing names on the back of Met uniforms. It was just so unexpected. It almost felt like cheating. I can see those big clumsy letters arching just as you describe them. Benjamin Grimm Oct 08 2008 07:08 AM I even remember the first name I saw on the back of a Mets uniform: CHAPMAN. I think he was the second batter in the first inning, and we saw his name on his back after he singled and rounded first. soupcan Oct 08 2008 07:18 AM I remember thinking how cheap the Mets were that they used 'nameplates' rather then stitiching on each individual letter Benjamin Grimm Oct 08 2008 07:24 AM Yeah. That looked especially crummy on the home uniforms, where the pinstripes were interrupted by the nameplate. soupcan Oct 08 2008 07:48 AM Boooo! ]Thank you for your interest in Mitchell and Ness. Unfortunately we cannot make the jersey that you mentioned, that is not an item that we offer for retail sale. Everything that we offer is featured on our website, is there a jersey on there that you might be interested in? Andrew Basenfelder E-Commerce Mitchell & Ness Nostalgia Co. John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 08 2008 07:50 AM I got two words for you: Santino. Rice. That guy could make anything! metirish Oct 08 2008 07:53 AM ="soupcan"]Boooo! ]Thank you for your interest in Mitchell and Ness. Unfortunately we cannot make the jersey that you mentioned, that is not an item that we offer for retail sale. Everything that we offer is featured on our website, is there a jersey on there that you might be interested in? Andrew Basenfelder E-Commerce Mitchell & Ness Nostalgia Co. If you were Jay-Z and not Soupcan they would make it for you. Benjamin Grimm Oct 08 2008 07:58 AM Wasn't Doug Flynn wearing the very same jersey you're coveting when he was at Shea for the closing ceremony? Maybe you can find a way to contact Doug Flynn and see if you can pry it away from him somehow. You could even swap him a fresh "Wonderful Woody" t-shirt. John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 08 2008 08:01 AM ="Benjamin Grimm":6k2qn0rw]Wasn't Doug Flynn wearing the very same jersey you're coveting when he was at Shea for the closing ceremony? Maybe you can find a way to contact Doug Flynn and see if you can pry it away from him somehow. You could even swap him a fresh "Wonderful Woody" t-shirt.[/quote:6k2qn0rw] We should send Dougie a WW shirt anyhow. Benjamin Grimm Oct 08 2008 08:03 AM It might bring back some sad memories. Woody has to be in that great backyard in the sky by now. Doug has probably moved on to a new dog and could be walking around in a "MAGNIFICENT MUFFIN" shirt these days. AG/DC Oct 08 2008 08:11 AM Be honest. Has anybody bought a WOODY shirt? Doug Flynn, by the way, sends inspirational e-mails these days: http://www.metstoday.com/mets-2008-games/2008/doug-flynns-inspirational-email/ soupcan Oct 08 2008 08:15 AM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":30e2j3u5]I got two words for you: Santino. Rice. That guy could make anything![/quote:30e2j3u5] Who is that? ="metirish":30e2j3u5]If you were Jay-Z and not Soupcan they would make it for you.[/quote:30e2j3u5] Absolutely right. And you know they'd personally deliver it to my house tomorrow. ="Benjamin Grimm":30e2j3u5]Wasn't Doug Flynn wearing the very same jersey you're coveting when he was at Shea for the closing ceremony? [/quote:30e2j3u5] YES! That's why this is killing me! ="Benjamin Grimm":30e2j3u5]Maybe you can find a way to contact Doug Flynn and see if you can pry it away from him somehow.[/quote:30e2j3u5] That's where I am now - trying to find out who his agent is. I'm on a mission. ="Benjamin Grimm":30e2j3u5]You could even swap him a fresh "Wonderful Woody" t-shirt.[/quote:30e2j3u5] Excellent idea! AG/DC Oct 08 2008 08:15 AM If anybody wants to hook Dougie up with a tee, or buy his jersey, he now works with the Central Bank of Lexington: Central Bank P.O. Box 1360 Lexington, KY 40588-1360 Benjamin Grimm Oct 08 2008 08:22 AM Their Internet domain is centralbank.com. You can derive a list of his possible e-mail addresses. dflynn, doug.flynn, douglas.flynn, doug_flynn, douglas_flynn, wonderful_woody, etc. Send out a bunch of e-mails to those various addresses and you may actually get through to him. John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 08 2008 08:24 AM ="AG/DC"]Be honest. Has anybody bought a WOODY shirt? Doug Flynn, by the way, sends inspirational e-mails these days: http://www.metstoday.com/mets-2008-games/2008/doug-flynns-inspirational-email/ I'm about 250% sure that's a joke. Note the Billy Joel lyrics quoted. ]Santino. Rice. That guy could make anything! Who is that? Santino was the all-time reality show villian from Project Runway! A complete riot, and he could make clothes. soupcan Oct 08 2008 08:29 AM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":30ox43z3]="AG/DC":30ox43z3]Be honest. Has anybody bought a WOODY shirt? Doug Flynn, by the way, sends inspirational e-mails these days: http://www.metstoday.com/mets-2008-games/2008/doug-flynns-inspirational-email/[/quote:30ox43z3] I'm about 250% sure that's a joke. Note the Billy Joel lyrics quoted. [/quote:30ox43z3] And Jesus Jones. AG/DC Oct 08 2008 08:35 AM Yeah, I worked that one out for myself. The Central Bank address: not a joke. You can go there tomorrow and stalk him like the crazed fan you are. HahnSolo Oct 08 2008 08:53 AM Have you tried contacting Paul Lukas at UniWatch? He might have an idea or two. mario25 Oct 08 2008 08:54 AM I can check in my book that I have that has baseball players home addresses in them...I will check when I get home from work if you would like. I bought the book on the web and I used it to get autographs on cards from Mets players. Kranepool, Charles, Harrelson, Maine, Cameron, Piazza, Dyer, Garrett, all signed cards and sent them back. It is worth a shot...maybe he will give you the jersey...SIGNED dcrules01 Dec 21 2008 06:40 AM New member here I stumbled upon this discussion doing a search on Doug Flynn.He was my favorite Met in the late 70's early 80's.The jersey he wore at the ceremony was manufactured by Majestic athletic and they were only a one time thing.I own his ceremony jersey and his Game Worn Expos jersey from 1984 plus some gamers from 79 80 81 and 2 Mitchell and Ness one the Willie Mays and one I stripped and had 18 for Joel Youngblood.The Mitchell and Ness are hard to come by anymore but do pop up on ebay.Anyways here is my collection from that era enjoy plus his ceremony jersey..Any questions feel free to ask my email is dcrules01@msn.com John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 21 2008 07:09 AM A Hubie Brooks 62 from 1980? Fascinating. How'd ya get it? Valadius Dec 21 2008 08:31 AM That's pretty damn cool. Welcome a-bordick! dcrules01 Dec 21 2008 09:09 AM The Brooks was a spring training jersey the Flynn came directly from the Mets The Piagnatano came from another collector,The Brooks and Taveras Ball Park Heros and the Cubbage another collector and the 2 Mitchell and Ness jerseys ebay metirish Dec 21 2008 09:43 AM Very nice collection. soupcan Dec 21 2008 11:09 AM Wanna sell me that Flynn one...? Edgy DC Dec 21 2008 11:52 AM The Brooks62 is a glass slipper. dcrules01 Dec 21 2008 12:46 PM No way I have been looking for some kind of Flynn Game Used jersey since I started buying game worn jerseys a few years ago.This is one of my prized possessions now. dcrules01 Dec 21 2008 12:58 PM Guys thanks for the compliments..Here is my man room it needs work.I love the Brooks im trying to find photos of him wearing the jersey its like looking for a needle in a haystack lol..Here are my Gamers I have some negro league gamers from the turn back the clock games.Id like to see everyones collection.. Edgy DC Dec 21 2008 01:01 PM The stuffed hippo ties it all together. dcrules01 Dec 21 2008 01:06 PM You like the hippo thats my wifes touch lol Who has the Willie Montanez id like to see pics.I remember that one from ebay when it sold.. Zvon Dec 21 2008 01:22 PM incredible jersey collection dcrules01! batmagadanleadoff Dec 21 2008 01:25 PM Welcome a-Bordick, drcules. Nice jerseys, too. I mostly lurk on the GU forum, but I must have missed your Flynn TBTC acquisition post. I've got some pretty neat game used Mets jerseys as well. I was wondering if after you converted your Mays Mitchell & Ness, whether the old #24 stitch marks were still visible. Thanks in advance. [u:2uyf57gy] On Edit:[/u:2uyf57gy] By the way, I just noticed that the back of your Brooks jersey has mismatched number fonts. The "6" is sans serif, while the "2" is serifed. In 1980, the Mets wore sans-serifed numerals on the home unis. Check the provenance on that Brooks jersey. Either the Mets got sloppy with Brooks' first uni ... or something else. dcrules01 Dec 21 2008 01:56 PM The pinstripe Was actually a MItchell and Ness Valentine I think I mistyped that I was up all night googling lol..No it looks gen nint the numbers came right off now I tried stripping the road because I wanted that to be a Flynn but the glue was bad and the numbers would not come off at all so I had it re sewn at Stitches.On the gamers the Cubbage and Taveras nameplates were restored which I think is a good possibility with the Brooks also since a ton of these were recycled in the minors from what I understand...Do you have your collection on line id like to see it.. G-Fafif Dec 21 2008 02:55 PM Flynn's Expo top blows my mind. The road New York Cubans...is that from a turn back the clock promotion? Or authentic Negro League? dcrules01 Dec 21 2008 03:17 PM Its from the tbc promotion its Todd Zeiles jersey he wore it in 04 I also have a TBC NY Cubans from 02 on the way it was worn by Turk Wendell diffrent style Edgy DC Dec 21 2008 03:51 PM Whenever you're ready to talk about the chiseled male torso on your TV screen, go ahead. No rush. DocTee Dec 21 2008 03:57 PM ]Whenever you're ready to talk about the chiseled male torso on your TV screen, go ahead. No rush. Holy shit that's funny! Kong76 Dec 21 2008 04:04 PM He said it was his man room. dcrules01 Dec 21 2008 04:17 PM LOL I belong to a few newsgroups and I posted photos of the room and they were razzing me about it..I was a show on MTV called Made the tv was left on lol..I can take the razzing im the new guy lol I have heard dont lie you were watching Chippendales male review just admit it..All I do is watch tv im outta work with 3 herniated discs which sucks.. themetfairy Dec 21 2008 07:58 PM Very nice collection! Welcome Abordick! soupcan Dec 22 2008 07:22 AM Re: The Flynn Mets jersey. ="dcrules01":14wrfsv5]No way I have been looking for some kind of Flynn Game Used jersey since I started buying game worn jerseys a few years ago.This is one of my prized possessions now.[/quote:14wrfsv5] Yeah I figured but doesn't hurt to ask. I'm not so much into the 'game-used' thing I'd just love to have a Flynn that is true to the style when he was with the Mets. Do you know where I could find one - I've exhausted every avenue I can think of with no luck. Kong76 Dec 22 2008 07:31 AM I got someone you can ask, I'll pm his email address to you. dcrules01 Dec 22 2008 07:33 AM What size are you?? Ill sell you my Youngblood you can strip it or send it to EPS and have them strip it and they can make it into a Flynn.The Youngblood has 3x but fits more like a 2xl..There was just a Mays on ebay size 46 which im confused because they only come s m l xl xxl xxxl xxxxl that sold ..They pop up once in awhile.. batmagadanleadoff Dec 22 2008 11:22 AM ="dcrules01":1pg8w5tc]On the gamers the Cubbage and Taveras nameplates were restored which I think is a good possibility with the Brooks also since a ton of these were recycled in the minors from what I understand.. Do you have your collection on line id like to see it..[/quote:1pg8w5tc] Yes. I didn't think you could've found that Brooks jersey with Hubie's nameplate still intact. The Mets, as you said, recycled their uniforms, especially during that era. An undesirably high number like Brooks' 62 uniform would've ultimately ended up anywhere in the Mets system .. any minor league level, the instructional league, spring training. As an example --among other jerseys I own, I have the uniform that Jesse Orosco wore in his first game ever. It's a #61 uni and it was issued to Orosco temporarily because his regular #47 jersey didn't arrive in time for the Mets '79 opener. That jersey was also recycled -- there are barely visible outlines of a nameplate once affixed to that jersey after Orosco wore it. My collection is not online. It's not even on display. It's all packed up. I have a project (all in my head) to eventually display my Mets collection. One day, I might even get around to doing it. I think that there's at least one other member here who collects Mets jerseys. He has a very good sized collection of game useds, M&N's and retail authentics, if I remember correctly. ="dcrules01":1pg8w5tc]What size are you [soupcan]?? Ill sell you my Youngblood you can strip it or send it to EPS and have them strip it and they can make it into a Flynn.The Youngblood has 3x but fits more like a 2xl..There was just a Mays on ebay size 46 which im confused because they only come s m l xl xxl xxxl xxxxl that sold ..They pop up once in awhile..[/quote:1pg8w5tc] ebay M&N jerseys with numerical sizes are most likely, counterfeits. I'd guess that most ebay M&N's are fakes. Some of the fakes are comically inept. But even the fakes that look reasonably accurate might be made of inferior fabrics. They might not wear well, or last very long. dcrules01 Dec 22 2008 11:29 AM If you ever want the Orosco nameplate restored lmk ill give you my guys info he does great work as you can see from the Cubbage and Taveras nameplate..Yeah I remember that Orosco being for sale that is a gem piece you have and display your items it drives my wife crazy but in a way she says it keeps me outta trouble or so she thinks lol.. batmagadanleadoff Dec 22 2008 11:53 AM ="dcrules01":2iy1cg4g]If you ever want the Orosco nameplate restored lmk ill give you my guys info he does great work as you can see from the Cubbage and Taveras nameplate..Yeah I remember that Orosco being for sale that is a gem piece you have and display your items it drives my wife crazy but in a way she says it keeps me outta trouble or so she thinks lol..[/quote:2iy1cg4g] Orosco never had a nameplate on his #61 uni. The jersey was issued to him for one game only. dcrules01 Dec 22 2008 01:14 PM So was it a carry over from the 78 season? Im confused lol I thought you said you could see where the nameplate was.Interesting Mets wore this style home from 78-82 but changed the road in 82.I have a Zachary and Swan road 82 I love them.. batmagadanleadoff Dec 22 2008 01:53 PM Orosco appeared without a nameplate. And yes, it was a 1978 issue. I suppose that there wasn't enough time to affix a nameplate to Orosco's temporary game jersey. Either that, or the Mets simply didn't care about the aesthetics, knowing all along that Orosco would wear #61 only until his regular #47 arrived. Teams usually carry spare jerseys in case of unanticipated screwups. I know that the Mets do. When the team realized that Orosco's regular jersey didn't arrive in time, I suppose that he was given any old available number. Orosco was a rookie and thus, unlikely to complain about wearing such a high number. He was probably just happy to be there. The nameplate was affixed after the jersey was presumably recycled to a lower league. I was using that jersey to illustrate how Met jerseys were recycled. That jersey, like your Brooks, was worn in only one Major League game. You're right about the '82's. In 1982, the Mets changed their road unis, adding racing stripes and eliminating both the two button pullover front collar and the sleeve end piping. These elements would be added to the home unis the following season. I have two 1982 game useds -- a Mike Scott road and a Joel Youngblood home. dcrules01 Dec 22 2008 02:13 PM Flynn and Youngblood were my guys I would kill to have a Youngblood if you ever consider moving it or if something would interest you in a trade I would do it in a heartbeat.. soupcan Dec 22 2008 02:32 PM He'll trade you Youngblood for Flynn. I'll be the middle man - send Flynn to me and I'll forward on. Can't promise it won't get lost in transit, but I'll do my best... dcrules01 Dec 22 2008 03:11 PM He has seen my collection not sure if anything would interest him..But im envious of the Youngblood big time.Another one of my buddies has a road Zachary from 81 and a Chapman and Pacella and an 82 Neil Allen.And another buddy has John Stearns 81 whole uniform..BPH has more but they won't send a list ive inquired many times.. dcrules01 Dec 22 2008 03:13 PM ="soupcan":1phtnlkt]He'll trade you Youngblood for Flynn. I'll be the middle man - send Flynn to me and I'll forward on. Can't promise it won't get lost in transit, but I'll do my best...[/quote:1phtnlkt] I told you I would sell you the Youngblood and you can strip it or have EPS strip it and get it customized into a Flynn... dcrules01 Mar 18 2009 04:28 PM Just wanted to share a few of my additions with you guys.Baseball is heating up spring is here...Enjoy LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Mar 18 2009 04:41 PM Paul Wilson wonders whether he is chopped liver. (Nice hobbyin', sir.) dcrules01 Mar 18 2009 04:57 PM Im looking for a Paul Wilson Gamer havent had much luck.It took me 3 years to find the Pulsipher and 2 1/2 to find the Izzy.I was lucky a fellow collector sold me his Izzy bat..I love the hunt

I liked that Tom Seaver was an enthusiastic participant.

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Same here. In fact, since the institution of the baseball Wild Card, I hardly watch any post season baseball at all unless it's a Met game. That's how I am too, but it's not because of the Wild Card but it started with the 1994 strike. I tried watching the post-season as usual in 1995 but found that I didn't care anymore.

All four Division series are now over, and I haven't seen a single play or even a pitch from any of them, and that includes highlights on TV or the Internet.

Have they been selling out their playoff games?

I've been thinking of putting a Shea slideshow on the UMDB. I have a few pictures of my own of the "Shea experience" that I've taken over the last couple of years. Some with architectural details, some of fans crowding through the gates, etc. I've been meaning to ask for submissions of similar photos, and I guess this is as good a time and place as any to start. I'm more interested in "neutral" photos rather than those that feature smiling friends or family members. Some of the photos posted in this thread would be great for that. If anyone who's posted any photos objects to the pictures being used in this manner, please let me know. (I intend to specifically ask permission to use any of these before I actually do so.) A couple of weeks ago I created a prototype slide show. Take a peek if you like: http://www.leaptoad.com/mets/slidetest.php Some day there will be similar slideshows available to all visitors, and they'll have individual themes. Right now I'm slowly putting together one that will capture the events surrounding the final day at Shea Stadium.

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I do my pasting from here: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/teams/stats/2008/mets/0_batting.html Which browser are you using? When you paste into a spreadsheet, it seems to work better if you're coming from Internet Explorer than if you're coming from Firefox. When I paste from Firefox I paste first into a text editor and from there, copy again and paste into Excel.

I've often found myself rooting for the AL team in the World Series. I have no loyalty to the National League. I root for the Mets. That doesn't affect my feelings for the other 15 teams in the league. I'm sure I'll end up rooting for the AL team this time around, except, perhaps, if it ends up Red Sox-Dodgers.

Dodgers. The Phillies are my least favorite team in this post-season, and I'll be rooting for whomever they play.

For me it's not about 1969 with the Cubs, but 1984.

I don't think Bobby was ever going to happen. If Jerry's back for two years, I'm happy.

I think Citi Field will be razed and replaced before the Freedom Tower is completed.

="metsguyinmichigan":1lj2lvf2] In 2009 the Mets will wear a charcoal gray road uniform with a blue Mets script, with both orange and white drop shadows for all the lettering and numerals. [/quote:1lj2lvf2] Can't judge it until I see it, but I like the sound of it. I never minded (or noticed) the drop shadow, so I really don't care if it stays or goes. metsguyinmichigan Oct 03 2008 05:53 PM The charcoal grey the Blue Jays wore was pretty dark, if I remember. Curious to see. OlerudOwned Oct 03 2008 07:41 PM Blue hats on the road! Ditch the black! Oh happy day! Fman99 Oct 03 2008 08:03 PM No surprise -- new stadium and new uniforms to sell in those new gift shops. Sounds cool, though. I look forward to buying the $25 t-shirt version of the same. John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 03 2008 09:27 PM Yeah, it's been an open secret the Mets would make some changes to the unis next year -- this is as specific as its come, however. Away jerseys should tell the hosts what city they're from, unless they're from a "state" than all bets are off. So while I'm unhappy if they'd take away NEW YORK, which I think looks great -- I'm very intrigued over the grey adjustment, removal of black, the pop, etc etc. Thanks for passing it along! SteveJRogers Oct 03 2008 09:47 PM As one who hated those drab "Mets" grays back in the mid-late 1980s, I am intrigued to see how these will look. The Old English New York though was classic, even with the black shadow and it being used on a black jersey kind of kept a Metly tradition going that dated back to day one. Ah well, at least they aren't changing the font... uh, I hope not. No more tails or vague imitations of other team's fonts! dgwphotography Oct 04 2008 05:41 AM I have mixed feelings - I love that they are getting rid of the black, but I won't like getting rid of the old english "New York" on the away uniforms... themetfairy Oct 04 2008 06:52 AM I didn't interpret that the black would be gone - just that they'd use it less. DocTee Oct 04 2008 08:33 AM Ditto Iubitul. batmagadanleadoff Oct 04 2008 09:11 AM Re: New road uniforms w/o "New York"? Less black? I'm confused. Here it says: ="metsguyinmichigan":3uxd8oyy]Although black will remain a part of the Mets color scheme- there will be less emphasis on the color starting next season.[/quote:3uxd8oyy] But here, it says: ="metsguyinmichigan":3uxd8oyy] Instead look for a much more 'blue' Mets appearance for 2009 at home. When I asked if the Mets pinstriped home uniform would continue to be sullied with that hideous black drop shadow, I was told that there is a good chance that that will not be a part of their ensemble next season.[/quote:3uxd8oyy] The black drop shadow is the only black element on the current alternate pinstripes. Without this element, there would be no black at all on the pinstripes. And finally, here, it says: ="metsguyinmichigan":3uxd8oyy] Interestingly there is absolutely no black on this uniform whatsoever[/quote:3uxd8oyy] So will there be some black, or hopefully, no black? Or was the leaker referring to the new roads only as the blackless uniforms? Also, I suppose that the Mets could add black to a different area of the pinstripes if they really do drop the drop shadow black, while intending to retain some black. Or maybe only the caps will have black. Or maybe all new unis would be blackless but for some alternate uni that will be worn the least. In this day and age, I fully expect that there will be more than just one home and one road version of the new uni. Good riddance, I hope, to the most revolting uniforms the Mets ever wore, perhaps the most revolting uniforms in all of baseball -- for 11 seasons, no less. Farmer Ted Oct 04 2008 09:48 AM Blue, orange and white piping is a LOT of piping. OlerudOwned Oct 04 2008 10:20 AM Shot down on the same board. batmagadanleadoff Oct 04 2008 10:26 AM Did someone see that jersey in a Sporting Goods store and then assume that it was the official 2009 model? Is that what this rumor is all about? OlerudOwned Oct 04 2008 10:28 AM ="batmagadanleadoff":1hn9juh1]Did someone see that jersey in a Sporting Goods store and then assume that it was the official 2009 model? Is that what this rumor is all about?[/quote:1hn9juh1] Maybe someone doing that and claiming they had a source, or maybe he did know someone "inside Citi Field" and that person just happened to be a dumbass. John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 04 2008 10:48 AM ="batmagadanleadoff":p15wids6]Did someone see that jersey in a Sporting Goods store and then assume that it was the official 2009 model? Is that what this rumor is all about?[/quote:p15wids6] Perhaps it's someone with an interest in selling that model. I still think changes, more than a sleeve patch, are coming in 2009. batmagadanleadoff Oct 04 2008 11:10 AM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":gh7jdexd]="batmagadanleadoff":gh7jdexd]Did someone see that jersey in a Sporting Goods store and then assume that it was the official 2009 model? Is that what this rumor is all about?[/quote:gh7jdexd] Perhaps it's someone with an interest in selling that model. I still think changes, more than a sleeve patch, are coming in 2009.[/quote:gh7jdexd] I totally agree. I predict that the Mets will wear an entirely new uniform next year, overhauling the current style. The current unis are the longest running style during the Wilpon era, beating out the home pullover racing stripes (11 seasons to eight). By the way, how could that rumor starter claim the jersey pictured above to be next year's new model and simultaneously say that there wouldn't be any black in the 2009 unis? The jersey in that photo appears to be just as black, perhaps even blacker than the current black unis. I'd sure like to read that thread. Maybe the leaker was describing a different jersey. The photo above is clearly at odds with michigan's quoted description in the opening post to this thread, which states that next year's unis will have no black at all, or hardly any black. Rockin' Doc Oct 04 2008 11:40 AM Id like a more official announcement regarding the Mets 2009 uniforms before I spend too much worrying about this. The report of a bulletin board poster that "spoke with someone inside Citi Field" (like possibly a member of the construction crew?) just doesn't do much for me. SteveJRogers Oct 04 2008 11:51 AM ="batmagadanleadoff"]Did someone see that jersey in a Sporting Goods store and then assume that it was the official 2009 model? Is that what this rumor is all about? Probably. That is the most annoying thing about the explosion of property licensing in the last couple of decades. Now companies, even the official authentic license holders, will put out fugly and cheap unis so that anyone can buy it and declare themselves "fans" because they have a jersey, even though it is far, FAR from what the Mets would ever wear, even in Batting Practice/Spring Training. Examples: SteveJRogers Oct 04 2008 11:54 AM ="batmagadanleadoff":187c0cup] By the way, how could that rumor starter claim the jersey pictured above to be next year's new model and simultaneously say that there wouldn't be any black in the 2009 unis? The jersey in that photo appears to be just as black, perhaps even blacker than the current black unis. I'd sure like to read that thread. Maybe the leaker was describing a different jersey. The photo above is clearly at odds with michigan's quoted description in the opening post to this thread, which states that next year's unis will have no black at all, or hardly any black.[/quote:187c0cup] Technically, like the MFY Navy Blue, that is "charcoal grey" not really "black" in the color sense. metsguyinmichigan Oct 04 2008 12:43 PM If that source is wrong, I'd be happy. I love the Mets basic uniforms especially the pinstripes. I'd be thrilled if they dropped the shadow and wore blue caps all the time. Was anybody else surprised they didn't wear the pinstripes for the final game? OlerudOwned Oct 04 2008 12:44 PM ="metsguyinmichigan":pqbnvmo6]If that source is wrong, I'd be happy. I love the Mets basic uniforms especially the pinstripes. I'd be thrilled if they dropped the shadow and wore blue caps all the time. Was anybody else surprised they didn't wear the pinstripes for the final game?[/quote:pqbnvmo6] Not at all, they suck when it comes to uniforms. Kong76 Oct 04 2008 01:21 PM I wore my orange batting practice jersey to Shea's last game because it is, well, obnoxious, and that's how I felt that morning. I have a pretty authentic pinstripe one, a pretty authentic road grey, a cheap black 'new york' road one, and the snow white which is also pretty authentic but doesn't have a patch for some reason (I bought it on ebay cheap). I've never gone to a game and thought, "ug they're wearing this or they're wearing that." I used to go to Shea and think I was going to see the first no- no until the first hit -- well we know how that went. I'm still not sure if my Mets obsession is going to fade into the sunset with each piece of concrete carted out of Queens the next couple of months, and if I'm going to be alienated by new uniforms and a stadium named after one of the four or five banking conglomerates likely to be standing next spring, but my guess is if they come out with some cool uniform that I like I'll pro- bably get one and if I get to Citifield next year I'll wear it and say, "Let's Go Mets" in it and not wish it was road grey or pinstripes. Time marches on, and backwards since it will be in a replica Ebbets Field -- I can't get outraged over what they'll be wearing and where they'll be playing. A Boy Named Seo Oct 04 2008 03:12 PM I have some Mets jerseys (how come it's not jersies?) and except for this mid 80's Rawlings pull-over that I got back then, they're all cheapie replicas. I like having options on crap to buy because I'm 33 and find there to be few occasions a dude like me wears sports jerseys out anymore when I'm not at a game, and nowadays that's not an automatic anyway (I once owned a sweet, blue Clippers alternate road jersey I never wore out of the house once). Plus the cost of the official ones are downright offensive. $170 for a shirt is not something I will take part in. Cheap shirts = More money for $12 stadium beer. Kong76 Oct 04 2008 04:35 PM I don't really wear them out except for games and an occasional bbq at a friend's house. I guess that makes them all the more expensive and use- less but I like them. metsmarathon Oct 04 2008 10:35 PM ="A Boy Named Seo"]I have some Mets jerseys (how come it's not jersies?) for the same reason its not donkies... ] Main Entry: don�key Pronunciation: \ˈd�ŋ-kē, ˈdəŋ-, ˈdȯŋ-\ Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural donkeys Etymology: origin unknown Date: circa 1785 1 : the domestic ass (Equus asinus) 2 : a stupid or obstinate person metsguyinmichigan Oct 05 2008 10:44 AM Because there is an "e" before the "y." Like in attorneys and monkeys. metsmarathon Oct 05 2008 09:44 PM yeah, but donkey was the first word i thought of. i guess key would've been obvious, too... Vince Coleman Firecracker Oct 08 2008 07:28 AM The only jersey I currently wear is a black home replica Reyes jersey. The black home jersey is my least favorite of all the versions the Mes currently wear, but my fiancee bought it for me, so I'm kinda stuck with it. The current grey road jersey is my favorite; sorry to hear the OE "NEW YORK" is on the way out. Not very sorry to hear the black will be reigned in. Benjamin Grimm Oct 08 2008 07:32 AM If the black is replaced with a very dark grey, then it's not going to make much of a difference. I do find the black less objectionable on the road uniforms than on the home. If the road gets dark grey instead of black, and the home uniform ditches the black, I'll be quite happy. John Cougar Lunchbucket Oct 08 2008 07:34 AM I've been informed by a reliable source that the denial of that story is credible and that the very same ugly-ass unis will be back for next year, unfortunately. Benjamin Grimm Oct 08 2008 07:35 AM Oh well. If that's true, then at least the uniforms won't be getting uglier, which was always a possibility. AG/DC Oct 08 2008 07:58 AM I'll agree. I think off-black is likely a step in the wrong direction from black. Edgy DC Dec 30 2008 12:45 PM Have you met my friend, Mr. Lee? First name, Ug. Adam Rubin has this in his blog, taken from some guy who shot it at The Sports Authority. So this may indicate nothing. On the other hand, all I want is my team's uniform to look better than my uncle's pajamas. Is that wrong? metirish Dec 30 2008 12:47 PM Could the ETS be any further away from the M? , h-orrible. Edgy DC Dec 30 2008 12:49 PM I'm 68% sure it's not an indicator of anything to come. metirish Dec 30 2008 12:50 PM Yeah , it looks like a bad imitation they sell over at Fordham road. John Cougar Lunchbucket Dec 30 2008 12:55 PM Isn't it funny how even when the information is wrong, the legit media is scooped by us interneters. I'm pretty sure Rubin's falling for the same falsehoods we did months ago. batmagadanleadoff Dec 30 2008 12:59 PM I thought this was the new Mets uniform for 2009. The ebay seller says "new", so it must be. SteveJRogers Dec 30 2008 06:12 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Dec 30 2008 06:26 PM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":6a6omkpc]Isn't it funny how even when the information is wrong, the legit media is scooped by us interneters. I'm pretty sure Rubin's falling for the same falsehoods we did months ago.[/quote:6a6omkpc] It is more of a commentary on how the media, in all forms, has become such a "gotta break the story first" animal. I mean, yeah this was for his blog, which is different than an article in either the paper itself, or even the online edition, but still it is a small example of it. Funny about how this technological age is so driven in the point that simple research can be at our fingertips, yet it has created a laziness as well based on the desire to be the first outlet (major or otherwise) with a breaking story. metirish Dec 30 2008 06:15 PM Wrong again Bucket , thanks Steve for sorting that out. Edgy DC Dec 30 2008 06:21 PM Relaxarino, Steve. It's Rubin's blog, and clearly there's a different threshold for blog content, and little editorial oversite. SteveJRogers Dec 30 2008 06:24 PM ="Edgy DC":cuzicc6n]Relaxarino, Steve. It's Rubin's blog, and clearly there's a different threshold for blog content, and little editorial oversite.[/quote:cuzicc6n] Withdrawn... Spacemans Bong Dec 31 2008 08:50 PM I don't really know why the Mets do this stuff. The Mets are unique among expansion teams in actually having an identity (compare to the Astros, who have changed their look four or five times). Blue from the Dodgers, orange from the Giants, a little kooky thrown in for good measure. Blue hats with an orange NY. Mets and number on pinstriped home unis, 1930s Giants-style New York on the roads (I could whine about how it's another example of Fred Wilpon disregarding the Giants tradition). That's it. The Mets butt in on every trend - pullovers, traditional pullovers, traditional-style buttonups, black trim - and it always looks bad compared to the classic unis. This is the uniform. Now stop fuckin' around. DocTee Dec 31 2008 08:53 PM Amen, brudda...but thems roads gotta be gray. seawolf17 Dec 31 2008 08:55 PM Bong! Holy cow! Long time no post! Hope to see you around more. ="Spacemans Bong":2pfqsqbh]I don't really know why the Mets do this stuff.[/quote:2pfqsqbh] That, however, would be to help support Fred's Bernie Madoff habit. Spacemans Bong Dec 31 2008 10:22 PM I was reading about some Mets stuff, thought of this place, then I thought "Why did I stop posting here?". Plus someone's gotta keep the NY Giants torch lit 'round here.. Edgy DC Jan 02 2009 07:43 AM G-FaFiF's helping on Giant duty, too, but welcome back. Let's be honest, though, the Mets have futzed around with this stuff before Wilpon came on board and they're as likely to futz around after he's gone. Spacemans Bong Jan 05 2009 01:54 PM ="Edgy DC":gx7itd7t]G-FaFiF's helping on Giant duty, too, but welcome back. Let's be honest, though, the Mets have futzed around with this stuff before Wilpon came on board and they're as likely to futz around after he's gone.[/quote:gx7itd7t] True, but in the end between Wilpon, Doubleday (What's baseball?), and M. Don Grant, that's not exactly the Tinker and Evers to Chance of baseball ownership. G-Fafif Jan 05 2009 01:57 PM ="Spacemans Bong":8ok7rcmx]="Edgy DC":8ok7rcmx]G-FaFiF's helping on Giant duty, too, but welcome back. Let's be honest, though, the Mets have futzed around with this stuff before Wilpon came on board and they're as likely to futz around after he's gone.[/quote:8ok7rcmx] True, but in the end between Wilpon, Doubleday (What's baseball?), and M. Don Grant, that's not exactly the Tinker and Evers to Chance of baseball ownership.[/quote:8ok7rcmx] Your New York Mets Management Team: Tinkers to Evers to Futz The more NYG torchbearing, the better.

HahnSolo wrote: What's with the Angels in the postseason? they own the Yankees but can't beat the Red Sox. I read that they've lost ten consecutive playoff games to the Red Sox. I wonder, does that date back to the 1986 ALCS?

Here's a suggestion about what to bring to Citi Field, from gothamist.com: ]Cat Lovers Want Shea Stadium Feral Cats Moved to Citi Field Since opening in '64, Shea Stadium has been a popular home for feral cats, who've been known to scamper onto the field during games. In the Mets' championship year of 1969, a black cat ran back and forth in front of the Cubs dugout, cursing Chicago's pennant hopes. Now a group called Neighborhood Cats is urging the Mets to relocate the feral felines to the new Citi Field. "They're part of Mets lore, so why not keep them around?," asks Bryan Kortis, the group's leader. He guesses there are 20-40 cats who call the stadium home, and if the Mets don't relocate them he predicts, "they're going to be overrun with rats." Pressure from other groups successfully saved the Home Run Apple, but Mets officials have yet to respond to this demand. And a Parks Department spokeswoman tells Newsday there are only a couple cats at Shea, and when they catch them, they're taken to a shelter.

AG/DC wrote: It's not in the middle. Of course it is. Look at it; there are buildings to the left and buildings to the right. It's not on the end, so it's in the middle. AG/DC wrote: And I think we do a terrible job remembering national tragedy. Well, maybe. But eventually you need to put tragedy behind you. I was glad to see the Mets no longer wearing the NYPD and FDNY caps this year. It was a nice gesture, but I think it ran its course.