Benjamin Grimm

="Mendoza Line":3elx78ta]Mike Jacobs?[/quote:3elx78ta] Nope. metirish Jun 18 2009 12:46 PM JCL had Pratt , I am sure of it. Not his day today. MFS62 Jun 18 2009 12:47 PM point of order. Are we talking about in the original posted batting order or as a result of double switches or pinch hitting? I'll guess Rod Kanehl. (although methinks it would have happened in the DH era) Later DocTee Jun 18 2009 12:48 PM Melvin Mora LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 18 2009 12:49 PM Blastro? Swan Swan H Jun 18 2009 12:49 PM Original posted batting order Benjamin Grimm Jun 18 2009 12:50 PM We're talking starting lineup. So, no, it wouldn't be anyone from before interleague play. And it's not Melvin Mora, either. Hint: He played for Art Howe. Edgy DC Jun 18 2009 12:52 PM Jay F. Bell. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 18 2009 12:55 PM ? Benjamin Grimm Jun 18 2009 12:55 PM Not Bell nor Hidalgo. John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 18 2009 12:57 PM Timo? Benjamin Grimm Jun 18 2009 12:59 PM Not Timo. Swan Swan H Jun 18 2009 01:00 PM Mr. Koo? Benjamin Grimm Jun 18 2009 01:01 PM Another hint: His cleanup starts were in 2003, and his 9th starts were in 2004. John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 18 2009 01:04 PM Vance Wilson? Benjamin Grimm Jun 18 2009 01:07 PM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":2df4shat]Vance Wilson?[/quote:2df4shat] Getting closer... Swan Swan H Jun 18 2009 01:07 PM Vivian Vance? metirish Jun 18 2009 01:08 PM It's not Piazza but I'm going with it......you never know with Art John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 18 2009 01:09 PM Flippy Flipper MFS62 Jun 18 2009 01:10 PM Jason Phillips? Wiggy? Later seawolf17 Jun 18 2009 01:15 PM Mora would have been my guess, but failing that, Phillips is a good guess also. Benjamin Grimm Jun 18 2009 01:19 PM Vivian Vance is correct! Wait, no... Jason Phillips is correct! Swan Swan H Jun 18 2009 01:19 PM Nertz to Mertz, eh?

Not Horshack, not Diaz, not Keppinger. And not whoever Johnny was thinking of. And not Marlene Dietrich.

Pratt is correct. One more.

Not Church, not Wright. Not Zeile nor Payton.

To add to this, there are only two additional players (after Agbayani and Shinjo) who have batted both 4th and 9th. I discovered this when helping Swan Swan with his trivia question. Anyone care to guess who the two players are?

Voting for Tuesday night's win over the Orioles in Baltimore will close some time on Friday: Schaefer POTG 6/16/09 - Mets 6, Orioles 4 If you're one of those who are still participating and you haven't voted yet, please try to do so today.

Marlene Dietrich?

I can make obviously wrong guesses though, can't I? Is it... Rusty Staub?

I have that. I really only watch the Mets stuff, but it's interesting to know that I can watch just about any game I want on any given day. (Except if it involves the Phillies, due to local blackout rules.)

Parnell 1 Stokes 1 Sheffield 2.5 Murphy 2.5 Cora 1 Church 1 Schneider 1

Wasn't Mets Prospect Hub Steve Rogers' former user name?

Nice! How old is he? 20, 21?

Wow, you must be some kind of masochist. Anyway, one thing you could do is set up a friend who lives in New York (and has SNY) with a Slingbox. (You might have to also set them up with a dedicated television, too, otherwise they wouldn't be able to watch what they want while your Sling had the TV set to the Mets. I'm not sure if it works that way, though.)

="Swan Swan H":1sd5lqgy]Steve's lack of perception about how his words are perceived make him a natural fit for the Mets front office.[/quote:1sd5lqgy] Remember that radio spot that used to run during Mets games? "Every time you speak, people judge you by the words you use." Edgy DC Jun 17 2009 02:07 PM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jun 17 2009 02:23 PM Let's take it easy on Stevie. If he wants to tag in on that guy for me, more power to him. Fight Non sequitur with non sequitur, so to speak. Triple Dee Jun 17 2009 02:12 PM The O's are my AL team. I feel an emotional breakthrough connected with this admission. John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 17 2009 02:15 PM I'm impressed with the O's fans' retience in engaging Rogers in combat. I think O's fans are good eggs generally and they certainly are our allies in MFY hatred. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Jun 17 2009 02:27 PM ="Edgy DC":kjqp900i]Let's take it easy on Stevie. If he wants to tag in on that guy for me, more power to him. Fight Non sequitur with non sequitur, so to speawk.[/quote:kjqp900i] "Well, arguing that point is like trying to figure out the nose-shadow on the Elston Howard memorial in Monument Park, you know-- it just doesn't make sense. I hate that feeling of futility like I hate the 26-time World Champion New York Yankees!" "I understand that, Chief! Because I'm from Jersey, Doc!" Benjamin Grimm Jun 18 2009 12:48 PM Last night, as I'm watching the game, when Aubrey Huff stepped to the plate I, for an instant, forgot what decade I was in and thought I was looking at a young Rusty Staub.

VOTING FOR THIS GAME IS NOW CLOSED Totals for June 14, 2009 (13 votes) New York Yankees 15, New York Mets 0 NameTotal PointsPoints AwardedPlayer PerformanceKen Takahashi16.611.281.2 IP, 0 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 1 SO.Gary Sheffield10.090.782-3, SO.Brian Schneider2.760.211-4.Luis Castillo2.440.190-1, SO.Wilson Valdez2.180.171-1.Daniel Murphy1.000.080-2, 2 SO.David Wright0.560.041-3.

VOTING FOR THIS GAME IS NOW CLOSED Totals for June 13, 2009 (13 votes) New York Mets 6, New York Yankees 2 NameTotal PointsPoints AwardedPlayer PerformanceFernando Nieve43.843.37(W) 6.2 IP, 4 H, 2 ER, 2 BB, 2 SO.Omir Santos26.342.032-5, R, 2B, HR, 3 RBI, BB.Gary Sheffield17.641.362-5, R, HR, 2 RBI, BB.Fernando Tatis8.000.621-4, 2 R, RBI, SO.Sean Green7.600.581.1 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 1 SO.David Wright6.980.542-5, R, 2B.Fernando Martinez5.290.413-4.Francisco Rodriguez5.300.411.0 IP, 0 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 1 SO.Carlos Beltran3.870.302-5, R.Ryan Church3.040.232-4, 2B.Luis Castillo2.100.162-5.

VOTING FOR THIS GAME IS NOW CLOSED Totals for June 12, 2009 (13 votes) New York Yankees 9, New York Mets 8 NameTotal PointsPoints AwardedPlayer PerformanceRyan Church24.651.901-4, R, 2B, 3 RBI, SB.Gary Sheffield24.021.852-5, 2 R, 2B, HR, 2 RBI, BB.Carlos Beltran22.871.761-2, 2 R, 2B, RBI, 3 SO, SB.David Wright21.741.672-4, R, 2B, RBI, SO.Sean Green10.000.771.1 IP, 0 H, 0 ER, 2 BB, 1 SO.Pedro Feliciano9.150.700.2 IP, 0 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 0 SO.Francisco Rodriguez3.360.26(L) 0.2 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 1 SO.Alex Cora1.960.150-3, R, 2 SO.Daniel Murphy0.280.021-5.Brian Schneider0.120.010-2, SO.

Nieve 4 Green 0.5 Santos 2 Sheffield 2 FMartinez 0.4 Wright 0.4 Beltran 0.4 Tatis 0.3

Green 1 Feliciano 1 Sheffield 2.5 Church 2 Wright 2 Beltran 1 Rodriguez 0.5

Pelfrey 2 Green 2 Rodriguez 1 Cora 1.2 Wright 1.2 Church 1 Schneider 1.2 FMartinez 0.4

]...through. Period. Zero for this one so far, which means that Ashie62 hasn't voted yet.

No, it's not. But the real question is, could a better manager have won more games? (Particularly this season. I think Jerry pretty well exceeded expectations last year.) The title of this thread, by the way, has planted a song in my head. Williewhack a williewhack a williewhack... In the jungle, the quiet jungle...

Don't worry, I have no plans to make this a daily feature... yet. I have my doubts right now that the Mets will be involved in a gripping September pennant race anyway.

="metirish (in another thread)":20pgmzma]With 101 games to go what would the Mets need to do realistically the rest of the way? After they fired Willie they went 55-38 in the remaining 93 games . Need to win 60 games?[/quote:20pgmzma] I haven't done this yet this year, but here's what Baseball Prospectus is currently saying: Average wins by position in NL East: 92.7 86.4 80.7 74.6 61.7 92.8 NL East W L Pct3 Avg W Avg L Champions Wild Card Playoffs 1D Change 7D Change Phillies 36 25 .514 88.8 73.2 46.66633 14.85141 61.51774 .04575 -1.48791 Mets 32 29 .544 87.7 74.3 41.41762 13.35543 54.77305 .17262 -0.79291 Marlins 32 33 .485 79.3 82.7 6.56945 4.60971 11.17916 .04267 6.61307 Braves 30 32 .485 78.1 83.9 5.33545 3.61399 8.94944 .10715 -7.83416 Nationals 16 45 .456 62.1 99.9 .01115 .00837 .01952 -0.00110 -0.04799 The Dodgers are at 97.4% for the playoffs, 94.3 for the division. The most likely wild card team is Colorado, currently in 3rd place, with 17.4%. (Phillies are the second most likely wild card, followed by the Mets and the Giants.) In the American League, the Red Sox score highest, at 77.8% for the playoffs. Yankees are at 47.0%. They both are about equal for the wild card (at 26 to 27 per cent), but the Red Sox are way ahead for the division, leading 50.4% to 20.6%. I can see why that Orioles fan is boasting, by the way. His team's chances: .05655 division .22353 wild card .28008 overall. HahnSolo Jun 16 2009 12:45 PM Oh, god no, not the BP projections! I vowed not to read these after absorbing them for 2 straight Septembers. have mercy on me, Grimm. Benjamin Grimm Jun 16 2009 12:53 PM Don't worry, I have no plans to make this a daily feature... yet. I have my doubts right now that the Mets will be involved in a gripping September pennant race anyway. Ashie62 Jun 17 2009 04:52 AM BP Over 50/50 shot...Was kinda hoping for 80 percent wire to wire..Probably asking to much on my end John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 17 2009 05:36 AM Picked up a game on the whole division last nite. Centerfield Jun 17 2009 07:17 AM ="Benjamin Grimm":wvotfwll]Don't worry, I have no plans to make this a daily feature... yet. I have my doubts right now that the Mets will be involved in a gripping September pennant race anyway.[/quote:wvotfwll] You think they're gonna run away with the division? Wow, that's some confidence. Benjamin Grimm Jun 25 2009 01:56 PM One game out of first place. If Tampa Bay does us a favor tonight, it'll be only a half. Perhaps the Mets will leave Philadelphia in first place next week. John Cougar Lunchbucket Jun 25 2009 01:58 PM We got a cupcake at home coming up, I don't see how we could get out of this weekend not in first. Edgy DC Jun 25 2009 10:51 PM Edited 2 time(s), most recently on Jul 31 2009 07:51 AM The whole field has truncated since the last update, with expansion brethren Colorado and Florida heating up the most. Even Washington has gained some ground. NL EastTeamWL%GBNet GBElim. #Philadelphia3733.529---------New York3734.5210.50.592Florida3836.5141.01.590Atlanta3438.4724.010.588Washington2149.30016.058.577 NL WildcardTeamWL%GBNet GBElim. #San Francisco3932.549---------Milwaukee3834.5281.51.499New York3734.5212.02.590Colorado3735.5142.54.089Florida3836.5142.54.088Cincinnati3536.4934.011.588Chicago3435.4934.011.589Atlanta3438.4725.522.086Houston3337.4715.522.087Pttsburgh3339.4586.531.085San Diego3140.4378.050.584Arizona3042.4179.562.582Washington2149.30017.5158.575 Willets Point Jun 25 2009 11:11 PM ="Benjamin Grimm":3i3p78g1]Perhaps the Mets will leave Philadelphia in first place next week.[/quote:3i3p78g1] That can be interpreted in two different ways: 1. The Mets will depart the city of Philadelphia having gained first place for themselves. 2. The Mets will lose and thus the team from Philadelphia will remain in sole possession of first place. Gwreck Jun 25 2009 11:31 PM Which do you think it is? Benjamin Grimm Jun 26 2009 05:45 AM Let me rephrase then... Perhaps the Mets, upon their departure from Philadelphia next week, will find themselves with the best record in the National League East. Edgy DC Jun 26 2009 08:45 PM Hey, we're in first place. Edgy DC Jul 07 2009 06:11 AM Edited 1 time(s), most recently on Jul 07 2009 07:18 AM Wow, I haven't posted since the Mets were in first. The good news is that, in the day and a half since the Mets last played (and lost), they have passed two teams (one intradivision) in the standings. The bad news is that the sterategy of moving ahead by not playing isn't very sustainable. NL EastTeamWL%GBNet GBElim. #BP % ChampsPhiladelphia4337.538---------48.17926Florida4341.5122.02.07918.79686New York3942.4814.57.07821.36100Atlanta3943.4765.08.57711.65843Washington2455.30419.064.5640.00446 NL Wildcard TeamWL%GBNet GBElim. #BP % ChampsSan Francisco4537.549---------24.55501Colorado4339.5242.02.07936.45378Milwaukee4339.5242.02.0795.20361Florida4139.5133.05.0792.99581Chicago4341.5123.05.0773.12304Cincinnati4041.4944.512.5771.71817Houston4041.4944.512.5771.13201New York3942.4815.519.5763.12304Atlanta3943.4766.023.5752.08225Pttsburgh3746.4468.546.0720.56024San Diego3547.42710.061.0710.14075Arizona3449.41011.577.5690.26129Washington2456.30020.0179.5620.00053 Benjamin Grimm Jul 07 2009 06:51 AM Yikes... eighth place in the Wild Card race? Just a few weeks ago they were in first or second. Things look pretty grim, but not so bad that a sustained hot streak wouldn't cure. But is this team capable of a sustained hot streak? Sure doesn't look like it. Edgy DC Jul 07 2009 07:22 AM The overlooked here continues to be the turnabout Colorado had had over the last few weeks. I ain't telling you what to believe, but if you want to still root, take it one team at a time. Root for the Mets, and root like heck against Houston. Once they pass Houston, the Astros become the Mets allies in helping them pick off the teams ahead. I'm not going to tell you it's not a slog ahead. TransMonk Jul 08 2009 08:07 AM 39-43. This is the first time the Mets have been 4 games under .500 since 9/17/05. metirish Jul 08 2009 08:09 AM The Mets are losers of nine of their last eleven games. I expect to be in fourth place in the next few days. Edgy DC Jul 13 2009 08:23 AM The pattern of fortune's vunlerability to change dramatically each day in the NL East lends an air of bigitude to the Mets upcoming series with the Braves. Is anybody in the press noticing the extended surge of the Rockies? Look how dramatically they lead without leading in the wildcard race. NL EastTeamWL%GBNet GBElim. #BP % ChampsPhiladelphia4838.558---------60.36533Florida4644.5114.04.07115.70618Atlanta4345.4896.08.07012.38783New York4245.4836.59.57011.54009Washington2661.29922.573.5540.00058 NL Wildcard TeamWL%GBNet GBElim. #BP % ChampsSan Francisco4939.557---------27.11857Colorado4741.5342.02.07345.51423Milwaukee4543.5114.06.0712.96857Florida4644.5114.06.0403.00459Chicago4343.5005.010.0713.18395Houston4444.5005.010.0700.71723Atlanta4345.4896.016.0691.13201Cincinnati4245.4836.519.5690.68224New York4245.4836.519.5692.23495Pttsburgh3850.43211.060.0640.12630Arizona3851.42711.565.0620.19441San Diego3652.40913.081.5620.01837Washington2661.29922.5195.5530.00010 Nymr83 Jul 13 2009 08:50 AM ]Washington 26 61 .299 22.5 73.5 54 0.00058 so they'll win the division 6 times out of 1,000,000? that takes into account the chances that they trade for Albert Pujols, Tim Lincecum, Hanley Ramirez, Manny Ramirez, Dustin Pedroia, Evan Longoria, and Zack Greinke all before the end of the day, right? Edgy DC Jul 13 2009 08:56 AM Plague years, I believe. Nymr83 Jul 13 2009 08:59 AM I also did not take into account the chances that the Mets, Braves, Marlins, and Phillies would all get paid off to lose the rest of their games. Edgy DC Jul 27 2009 02:02 PM Chicago --- recently compared to the Mets as far as being disappointing --- has re-asserted themselves and edged ahead of the Cards, thought St. Louis still is shown as more likely to win the division according to Baseball Prospectus. The Mets series win helped put a brake on a long streaking period by Houston climbing the standings, and it also allowed them to pass Cincinnati. So the Reds are now one of the teams you are allowed to root for. Milwaukee is sliding and their the next team we are looking for the Mets to pick off. Washington is eliminated from both races to the fifth decimal place of a percentage point. NL EastTeamWL%GBNet GBElim. #BP % ChampsPhiladelphia5640.583---------71.92603Atlanta5148.5156.56.55918.94809Florida5148.5156.56.5596.65038New York4651.47410.518.5562.47551Washington3068.30627.084.5390.00000 NL WildcardTeamWL%GBNet GBElim. #BP % ChampsColorado5444.551---------58.03895San Francisco5246.5312.02.0639.07787St. Louis5348.5252.53.0613.54684Atlanta5148.5153.56.0618.31609Florida5148.5153.56.0613.47697Houston5048.5104.08.5610.87862Milwaukee4949.5005.014.5600.89282New York4651.4747.532.0580.37380Cincinnati4453.4549.548.0560.07017Pttsburgh4355.43911.061.5540.02579Arizona4356.43411.566.5530.09422San Diego3861.38416.5121.5480.00010Washington3068.30624.0211.5410.00000 Edgy DC Jul 31 2009 07:45 AM Not a lot of movement during the series, except, you know, the Mets knocked Colorado off the top perch in the Wild Card race. No matter, says Baseball Prospectus, who is still doubling down on the Rockies. The Mets are only a game closer to the top, but cut their net gap from 32 to 26, so that's good. Similarly, they pulled three games closer in the Net column in the division race, such as it is. In other words, this run has been nice, but it has to be sustained to be meaningful. Catching Milwaukee and/or Houston over the next few days would be very meaningful. NL EastTeamWL%GBNet GBElim. #BP % ChampsPhiladelphia5842.580---------73.50793Florida5349.5206.06.0568.16545Atlanta5250.5107.08.05515.18698New York4952.4859.515.5533.13963Washington3270.31427.085.5350.00000 NL WildcardTeamWL%GBNet GBElim. #BP % ChampsSan Francisco5646.549---------18.97177Colorado5547.5391.01.06045.52084St. Louis5649.5331.52.0586.05652Florida5349.5203.06.5584.07728Atlanta5250.5104.010.5576.77887Houston5151.5005.015.5560.65272Milwaukee5151.5005.015.5560.78867New York4952.4856.526.0550.62566Cincinnati4556.44610.558.0510.01369Arizona4458.43112.071.5490.04786Pttsburgh4358.42612.576.5490.00565San Diego4162.39815.5109.5450.00005Washington3270.31424.0211.5370.00000 Edgy DC Aug 04 2009 12:41 PM NL EastTeamWL%GBNet GBElim. #BP % ChampsPhiladelphia5640.583---------74.89575Atlanta5148.5156.56.55913.43997Florida5148.5156.56.55910.06658New York4651.47410.518.5561.59770Washington3068.30627.084.5390.00000 NL WildcardTeamWL%GBNet GBElim. #BP % ChampsColorado5444.551---------58.95294San Francisco5246.5312.02.06316.21132St. Louis5348.5252.53.0613.44353Atlanta5148.5153.56.0612.64151Florida5148.5153.56.0613.85554Houston5048.5104.08.5610.39682Milwaukee4949.5005.014.5600.44886New York4651.4747.532.0580.12738Cincinnati4453.4549.548.0560.00121Pttsburgh4355.43911.061.5540.00172Arizona4356.43411.566.5530.06649San Diego3861.38416.5121.5480.00031Washington3068.30624.0211.5410.00000 Net Met Post-Season Likelihood: 1.47032% Ashie62 Aug 04 2009 12:50 PM ="metirish":37imwhfz]The Mets are losers of nine of their last eleven games. I expect to be in fourth place in the next few days.[/quote:37imwhfz] We have a winner! Give the man a set of steaknives TransMonk Aug 04 2009 12:51 PM ="Edgy DC":1wacunne] Net Met Post-Season Likelihood: 1.47032%[/quote:1wacunne] Met Post-Season Likelihood on Sept 12, 2007: 99.80% Stranger things have happened. Stranger and far more depressing. Ashie62 Aug 04 2009 01:00 PM ="TransMonk":1oi9gbzs]="Edgy DC":1oi9gbzs] Net Met Post-Season Likelihood: 1.47032%[/quote:1oi9gbzs] Met Post-Season Likelihood on Sept 12, 2007: 99.80% Stranger things have happened. Stranger and far more depressing.[/quote:1oi9gbzs] Wow** Strangely that just made my day. After all they are the Amazin Mets Edgy DC Aug 06 2009 08:06 AM Well, that lousy loss the night before last burns the Mets badly as their net post-season odds dip toward the 1% mark. Milwaukee moves up a bit, so the Mets have to eye Houston first, but you know, the Fish are slipping also. San Fran re-takes the top wildcard slot, but Baseball Prospectus still is totally not impressed. They love the Rocks. San Diego joins the Nats among teams not shouldered with the burden of a visible post-season possiblity. NL EastTeamWL%GBNet GBElim. #BP % ChampsPhiladelphia6045.571---------75.75257Florida5552.5146.06.0519.14475Atlanta5553.5096.57.05014.03328New York5156.47710.017.5471.06940Washington3672.33325.579.5310.00000 NL WildcardTeamWL%GBNet GBElim. #BP % ChampsSan Francisco6048.556---------22.82055Colorado5948.5510.50.55554.46296St. Louis5951.5362.03.5542.71764Florida5552.5144.511.0522.38452Atlanta5553.5095.013.0513.43947Milwaukee5454.5006.018.0500.41470Houston5355.4917.024.0480.11615New York5156.4778.534.5470.27858Arizona4959.45411.054.5440.11468Cincinnati4661.43013.577.0420.00048Pttsburgh4562.42114.587.0410.00063San Diego4465.40416.5109.0380.00000Washington3672.33324.0199.0310.00000 Edgy DC Aug 10 2009 07:57 PM The Mets are Santa Claus right now, giving hope to all the poor children, first Arizona, then San Diego, who actually has come back from having no chance of winning within five decimal places of a percentage point. Mercy. Not so resuscitated is Washington, who despite winning a fuky eight straight, still aren't showing any numbers but goose eggs, but they've closed their wild card gap from 199 net games to 173. Another seven months at this pace and who knows? Normally I'd cheer the Nats onward, reasoning that any success by a team behind the Mets in the standings helps the Mets pick off opponents, but this week stank so solidly that I view Washington's success as a threat by them to somehow catch the Mets in the standings. Show me something, SHaMs. NL EastTeamWL%GBNet GBElim. #BP % ChampsPhiladelphia6148.560---------58.10719Florida5853.5234.04.04915.91526Atlanta5854.5184.55.04825.56209New York5259.46810.021.5430.41546Washington4072.35722.571.5300.00000 NL WildcardTeamWL%GBNet GBElim. #BP % ChampsColorado6150.550---------51.36310San Francisco6150.550---------18.00222Chicago5851.5322.04.0514.56220Florida5853.5233.07.0493.87031Atlanta5854.5183.59.0484.75462Houston5556.4956.021.5460.16014Milwaukee5556.4956.021.5460.41311New York5259.4689.042.5430.08468Arizona5062.44611.562.5400.03717Cincinnati4862.43612.571.5400.00078San Diego4766.41615.096.5360.00003Pttsburgh4566.40516.0107.5360.00000Washington4072.35721.5173.5300.00000 Elster88 Aug 10 2009 08:55 PM ]I view Washington's success as a threat by them to somehow catch the Mets in the standings. That just depressed the hell out of me. duan Aug 11 2009 05:34 AM i don't know every time they look like they *just might* put something together that'd mean they'd claw their way TOWARDS being at least able to duke it out in September they lose two straight and fall back off. I'm still cool with saying if they go 13-6 or something in the remaining August games they'll be well in it, but there's only so many times they can fail to actually have one of those runs and still be able to put enough of them together. We've really missed a healthy John Maine. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Aug 11 2009 12:06 PM Re: i don't know ="duan":exl5k9ys]We've really missed a healthy John Maine.[/quote:exl5k9ys] Since mid-2007. Edgy DC Aug 11 2009 12:53 PM We've missed three batsmen a bunch more though. duan Aug 11 2009 05:08 PM ="Edgy DC":20movskg]We've missed three batsmen a bunch more though.[/quote:20movskg] totally, it's just that Pelfrey & Hernandez seem to alternate good & bad outings and whoever's in the 4th & 5th slots is usually pretty junky so on the days where we don't score 7 runs we lose more then half the time. I sorta feel if we just had one more stable starter we'd be close to .500 now and if the batters came back could make a go of it.