Harvey's innings

[nymr83]

Centerfield wrote: Boras will come out with a formula demonstrating how those extra innings bolstered his arm.

haha yup, cant wait for that argument to the arbitrators

[Ceetar]

Nymr83 wrote: Centerfield wrote: Boras will come out with a formula demonstrating how those extra innings bolstered his arm. haha yup, cant wait for that argument to the arbitrators

Certainly 'nice' comments from Boras. So I have to ask...

which of his clients is a free agent that he wants the Mets to sign?

[Farmer Ted]

The Marlins don't give a shit about Boras and stinking pitch counts.

ESPN.com

MIAMI -- The Miami Marlins' feud with agent Scott Boras escalated Wednesday, and the team said he'll be left out of any future talks regarding ace Jose Fernandez's workload.

Team president David Samson pledged to exclude Boras after the agent complained about the Marlins' handling of another one of his clients, outfielder Marcell Ozuna. The dispute perhaps reduces the already slim likelihood the Marlins will sign Fernandez to a long-term contract.

An exchange of barbs began with Boras criticizing the Marlins for demoting Ozuna to Triple-A last season when he was in a 1-for-36 slump. The comments brought an angry response from Samson.

After Scott Boras took another opportunity to criticize the Marlins for demoting his client, Marcell Ozuna, to Triple-A last year, Miami said he'll be left out of any future contract negotiations regarding fellow Boras client Jose Fernandez.

"My strong suggestion to Mr. Boras is that instead of resting on his 5 percent that he collects from his stable of players, he write a check and buy a team," Samson said. "Then he would have the opportunity to run a team that he claims to be so able to do. Until that time, he is in no position to comment how any Major League Baseball team is operated."

Boras, speaking at the general managers' meetings in Boca Raton, questioned the Marlins' motivation for sending Ozuna to the minors. The lost service time prevented Ozuna from becoming eligible for salary arbitration this offseason.

"He's a lifetime .265 hitter, and I can find you 30 players in the major leagues that went 1 for 36 some time in their career, and they did not get sent to the minor leagues," Boras said. "When you do those things, it sends a message to players, sends a message to the locker room and sends a message to everyone that looks at the organization that there is a calculus going on that is beyond performance."

Samson responded: "Every decision we make is based on the best interests of the team, and always has been."

Ozuna is believed to be on the trading block.

Fernandez returned in July from Tommy John surgery. Boras was outspoken this year regarding the Mets' use of pitcher Matt Harvey, another client who was coming back from Tommy John surgery.

The Marlins don't plan to consult Boras regarding how they use Fernandez in 2016, and Boras told the Miami Herald that he hasn't talked with the team about Fernandez since January or February.

"He will not be involved in any discussion as it relates to Jose Fernandez," Samson said. "We will be in touch with the doctors and Jose as we formulate a plan."

Boras, however, didn't sound like he was going to be left out of the discussion regarding Fernandez's workload.

"Certainly, the doctors are going to prescribe a graduated program for him," Boras told the Herald. "He threw somewhere in the area of 65 to 70 innings [last season], and I think his career high is 170 or 180. So I'm sure we'll have discussions about that."

Fernandez, who made $651,000 in 2015, is arbitration-eligible for the first time this offseason. He can become a free agent after the 2018 season.

The right-hander rejected a multiyear offer before the season, Samson said. But Samson didn't rule out the possibility of a long-term deal, despite the dispute with Boras.

"We don't even think about that," Samson said. "If we make an offer on a long-term contract, Jose can say yes or no."

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

[HahnSolo]

Barring an agent from negotiations?

Are there ramifications to this? Isn't it the player's right to have representation in those negotiations? If not it should be.

F* Boras, but F* the Marlins and their rink-dink front office.

[Ceetar]

HahnSolo wrote: Barring an agent from negotiations? Are there ramifications to this? Isn't it the player's right to have representation in those negotiations? If not it should be. F* Boras, but F* the Marlins and their rink-dink front office.

yeah, that won't happen.

But as I understand it, Samson and Boras don't talk directly, and haven't in years. So part of this article is perhaps them just speaking at this reporter as a middleman.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Boras is like the Policemen's or Sanitation union when a new Mayor comes in. Skilled at making a stink to get their items onto the agenda, but eyes on the long game. Marlins are fools to take the take the bait.

[Edgy MD]

I'll support the Marlins on this one. Boras has every right and responsibility to advocate for his players, but his using the media for leverage poisons the well. It demonstrates bad faith and sets up the team to be holding the bag no matter what.

It doesn't make the Marlins right, but come on. Unless/until you think that the team is being irredeemably malfeasant, keep the conversation in the room.

[Centerfield]

David Samson wrote: My strong suggestion to Mr. Boras is that instead of resting on his 5 percent that he collects from his stable of players, he write a check and buy a team. Then he would have the opportunity to run a team that he claims to be so able to do. Until that time, he is in no position to comment how any Major League Baseball team is operated.

Sell the Team to Scott Boras NOW!!!!

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

So... what you're saying is, Ozuna's available for cheap?

[Edgy MD]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Marlins are fools to take the take the bait.

There's something to be said for this perspective here, but does Alderson get points (with the media or with fans) when he coolly deflects when asked about Boras' broadsides?