Relief pitching

[nymr83]

Terrible trade imo. You got back 20 to 25 innings of Tyler clippard. I don't think that's worth any decent prospect.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

[Centerfield]

I like adding Clippard. I think he will be a nice addition the rest of the way.

I have no idea who Casey Meisner is so I can't judge this trade. I just read recently that Jacob deGrom was offered to Boston for Kelly Shoppach. This leads me to believe no one in baseball can really spot a good prospect.

Still, you have to take some risks, and this is a good one to take so long as they keep going and add quality bat before the deadline.

[Ceetar]

Centerfield wrote: I have no idea who Casey Meisner is so I can't judge this trade. I just read recently that Jacob deGrom was offered to Boston for Kelly Shoppach. This leads me to believe no one in baseball can really spot a good prospect.

not quite, the Red Sox ASKED for deGrom and Alderson said no.

[Vic Sage]

i agree that, when your in a position to make a run at a post-season berth, you have to take some risks, and parting with a 2nd tier prospect is not the worst idea in the world. However, taking that risk on 2 months of another reliever (and Clippard's peripherals indicate a pitcher in decline) when the real need is a power bat or legit lead-off hitter seems to me a poor allocation of resources.

So we've given up 3 young pitching prospects (albeit 2nd tier prospects) for some spare parts, which, to my mind, only makes sense if Sandy is now going to make the big move that can make a difference.

Gomez makes some sense to me, but rumor mill says Milwaukee wants Brandon Nimmo, shortstop Amed Rosario and Zack Wheeler in return. I'd be tempted, because Gomez plays CF, can lead off or hit in the middle of the order, is not yet 30, and is signed through next season to a reasonable contract. If they would take Lagares instead of Nimmo, i might do that. They're also looking at Jay Bruce for Wheeler, infielder Gavin Cecchini, and two minor league Single-A prospects. Bruce isn't a CFer nor a leadoff hitter, but he's a little younger and cheaper with significantly more power, and i like his price tag a whole lot more. But if we bite on that, then Conforto goes down and Lagares stays in the lineup, unless Terry is willing to move Grandy back to CF after all these years. So is the difference between Bruce and Conforto over the next 2 months worth giving up that package? Maybe; i don't know.

[Edgy MD]

Vic Sage wrote: but rumor mill says Milwaukee wants Brandon Nimmo, shortstop Amed Rosario and Zack Wheeler in return.

No, fucking, and way!

Each of those guys is an anchor to a star package. Together, I'd consider packing them up for a perennial MVP candidate like Stanton, but not for Gomez.

Wait... are the Brewers throwing in Parra? Segura? Their dignity?

[nymr83]

I'd ship those 3 out for Stanton before the Marlins could hang up the phone.

There are different kinds of prospects, I'd put both Rosario and Nimmo in the "could be huge studs but could be total flame-out duds" category. neither of them has the "high floor" of say Conforto that makes me less want to trade a guy.

Meanwhile, gavin cecchini, who never really fell behind in the "who will be ready first" contest has probably pulled back ahead of Rosario this year in the "more likely to be the SS of the future" and "more likely to have a solid career" categories.

Trading should in part always be about absolute value (which is why i don't like Meisner for 20 innings of Clippard), but when you have multiple guys of similiar value which one you prefer deal depends on other factors, i would think Rosario has become more tradeable this year (with Cecchini's performance)and Nimmo less so (with Lagares floundering, Cuddyer sucking/hurt).

Gomez looks like fool's gold. his range has dropped off and his basestealing disappeared too this year (he was hurt though i think?)

[Edgy MD]

Nymr83 wrote: I'd ship those 3 out for Stanton before the Marlins could hang up the phone.

Shhh... not so loud. I'm trying to drive a hard bargain here.

[Guest Rockin' Doc]

TransMonk wrote: Ceetar wrote: you pretty much gotta lean on Mejia heavily down the stretch right? completely burn him out? Oh yeah. Really, that is the rest of his punishment for getting caught using PEDs. If he's effective, he's got to be used as much as possible down the stretch. Terry will need to figure out where that breaking point is to avoid injury and ineffectiveness.

Good thing the Mets didn't rely on Mejia's return. Terry won't have to worry about overusing that idiot.

[Centerfield]

I think the Mets bullpen will still be fine down the stretch. Clippard helps a lot. Hopefully Parnell will get stronger as more time passes. Blevins should be back soon.

I think you tell Montero that he is going to be a setup guy the rest of the way and get his mindset ready to help the team. It would be nice to find the old Carlos Torres.

[Vic Sage]

what i said about Clippard? um, never mind.
Damn Mejia. You'd think he could find a more effective masking agent by now.