The WAR Games Efficiency Quiz

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Seaver - 40.02 WAR SCORE - 159.98 QUIZ SCORE Gwreck
Gooden- 52.16 WAR SCORE - 147.84 QUIZ SCORE JCL
Koosman - NOT IN TOP 15 - (-20) Gwreck
Matlack - 54.44 WAR SCORE - 145.56 JCL


Top 15 WAR Score
Tom Seaver - 40.02 Gwreck
Bret Saberhagen - 45.20 JCL
Mike Hampton - 46.31 dinojesus
Johan Santana - 47.17 Ceetar
R.A. Dickey - 47.80 Gwreck
Al Leiter - 48.57 JCL
Dwight Gooden - 52.16 JCL
Rick Reed - 53.86 Gwreck
Jon Matlack - 54.44 JCL
Sid Fernandez - 57.21 JCL
Frank Viola - 58.38 G-Fafif
Pedro Martinez - 60.08 G-Fafif

Not in top 15
Jerry Koosman - Gwreck
Craig Swan - RChuck
David Cone - G-Fafif
Ron Darling - Gwreck
Steve Trachsel - G-Fafif

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Gwreck wrote: What about the other guy with the initials M.H.? Does he meet the minimum to qualify?

Is that a question or a guess?

[Guest 86-Dreamer]

Bobby O.

[G-Fafif]

Retro cards have become such a thing that I'm staring at the actual cards of Matlack and El Sid and thinking "those really look authentic."

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Seaver - 40.02 WAR SCORE - 159.98 QUIZ SCORE Gwreck
Gooden- 52.16 WAR SCORE - 147.84 QUIZ SCORE JCL
Koosman - NOT IN TOP 15 - (-20) Gwreck
Matlack - 54.44 WAR SCORE - 145.56 JCL


Top 15 WAR Score
Tom Seaver - 40.02 Gwreck
Bret Saberhagen - 45.20 JCL
Mike Hampton - 46.31 dinojesus
Johan Santana - 47.17 Ceetar
R.A. Dickey - 47.80 Gwreck
Al Leiter - 48.57 JCL
Dwight Gooden - 52.16 JCL
Rick Reed - 53.86 Gwreck
Jon Matlack - 54.44 JCL
Sid Fernandez - 57.21 JCL
Frank Viola - 58.38 G-Fafif
Pedro Martinez - 60.08 G-Fafif

Not in top 15
Jerry Koosman - Gwreck
Craig Swan - RChuck
David Cone - G-Fafif
Ron Darling - Gwreck
Steve Trachsel - G-Fafif
Bob Ojeda - 86-dreamer

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G-Fafif wrote: Retro cards have become such a thing that I'm staring at the actual cards of Matlack and El Sid and thinking "those really look authentic."

You'd be right about the Sid. Here's his original '86 Topps base card, below. The one above is a retro re-make.

[G-Fafif]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: G-Fafif wrote: Retro cards have become such a thing that I'm staring at the actual cards of Matlack and El Sid and thinking "those really look authentic." You'd be right about the Sid. Here's his original '86 Topps base card, below. The one above is a retro re-make.

Ah, Bach...

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I'm looking at the Hampton and Reed cards and still thinking, what the fuck were they thinking with those ridiculous, hideous and offensive uniforms?

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T#m G.

[Gwreck]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Gwreck wrote: What about the other guy with the initials M.H.? Does he meet the minimum to qualify? Is that a question or a guess?

Both?

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And that stupid cap Leiter's wearing.

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Seaver - 40.02 WAR SCORE - 159.98 QUIZ SCORE Gwreck
Gooden- 52.16 WAR SCORE - 147.84 QUIZ SCORE JCL
Koosman - NOT IN TOP 15 - (-20) Gwreck
Matlack - 54.44 WAR SCORE - 145.56 JCL


Top 15 WAR Score
Matt Harvey - 34.44 Gwreck
Tom Seaver - 40.02 Gwreck
Bret Saberhagen - 45.20 JCL
Mike Hampton - 46.31 dinojesus
Johan Santana - 47.17 Ceetar
R.A. Dickey - 47.80 Gwreck
Al Leiter - 48.57 JCL
Dwight Gooden - 52.16 JCL
Rick Reed - 53.86 Gwreck
Jon Matlack - 54.44 JCL
Sid Fernandez - 57.21 JCL
Frank Viola - 58.38 G-Fafif
Pedro Martinez - 60.08 G-Fafif

Not in top 15
Jerry Koosman - Gwreck
Craig Swan - RChuck
David Cone - G-Fafif
Ron Darling - Gwreck
Steve Trachsel - G-Fafif
Bob Ojeda - 86-dreamer
Tom Glavine - G-Fafif

[G-Fafif]

Tug M.

OE: You asked starters, so never mind (unless this is somehow right).

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Dwight Gooden's WAR efficiency rating, after his first two Mets seasons, (494 2/3 divided by 17.6) is an other-worldly 28.11.

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G-Fafif wrote: Tug M. OE: You asked starters, so never mind (unless this is somehow right).

Tug's score wouldn't have cracked the top 15, even if he was eligible.

[G-Fafif]

Jae S.

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Seaver - 40.02 WAR SCORE - 159.98 QUIZ SCORE Gwreck
Gooden- 52.16 WAR SCORE - 147.84 QUIZ SCORE JCL
Koosman - NOT IN TOP 15 - (-20) Gwreck
Matlack - 54.44 WAR SCORE - 145.56 JCL


Top 15 WAR Score
Matt Harvey - 34.44 Gwreck
Tom Seaver - 40.02 Gwreck
Bret Saberhagen - 45.20 JCL
Mike Hampton - 46.31 dinojesus
Johan Santana - 47.17 Ceetar
R.A. Dickey - 47.80 Gwreck
Al Leiter - 48.57 JCL
Dwight Gooden - 52.16 JCL
Rick Reed - 53.86 Gwreck
Jon Matlack - 54.44 JCL
Jae Seo - 56.76 G-Fafif
Sid Fernandez - 57.21 JCL
Frank Viola - 58.38 G-Fafif
Pedro Martinez - 60.08 G-Fafif

Not in top 15
Jerry Koosman - Gwreck
Craig Swan - RChuck
David Cone - G-Fafif
Ron Darling - Gwreck
Steve Trachsel - G-Fafif
Bob Ojeda - 86-dreamer
Tom Glavine - G-Fafif

[G-Fafif]

Carlton W.

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Let me know if youse want hints for the remaining WAR-Met.

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batmagadanleadoff wrote: Let me know if youse want hints for the remaining WAR-Met.

Never mind.

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Seaver - 40.02 WAR SCORE - 159.98 QUIZ SCORE Gwreck
Gooden- 52.16 WAR SCORE - 147.84 QUIZ SCORE JCL
Koosman - NOT IN TOP 15 - (-20) Gwreck
Matlack - 54.44 WAR SCORE - 145.56 JCL


Top 15 WAR Score
Matt Harvey - 34.44 Gwreck
Tom Seaver - 40.02 Gwreck
Bret Saberhagen - 45.20 JCL
Mike Hampton - 46.31 dinojesus
Johan Santana - 47.17 Ceetar
R.A. Dickey - 47.80 Gwreck
Al Leiter - 48.57 JCL
Dwight Gooden - 52.16 JCL
Rick Reed - 53.86 Gwreck
Jon Matlack - 54.44 JCL
Carl (a/k/a Carlton) Willey - 54.77 G-Fafif
Jae Seo - 56.76 G-Fafif
Sid Fernandez - 57.21 JCL
Frank Viola - 58.38 G-Fafif
Pedro Martinez - 60.08 G-Fafif

Not in top 15
Jerry Koosman - Gwreck
Craig Swan - RChuck
David Cone - G-Fafif
Ron Darling - Gwreck
Steve Trachsel - G-Fafif
Bob Ojeda - 86-dreamer
Tom Glavine - G-Fafif

[G-Fafif]

Good quiz! Realized, as the likes of Darling and Koosman were nixed, that once the other elite guys were accounted for there was more merit in shorter stints that packed a punch.

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Here's the list, including relievers:

Top 15 WAR Score
Matt Harvey - 34.44 Gwreck
Armando Benitez - 35.41
Billy Wagner - 37.93
Tom Seaver - 40.02 Gwreck
Bret Saberhagen - 45.20 JCL
Mike Hampton - 46.31 dinojesus
Johan Santana - 47.17 Ceetar
R.A. Dickey - 47.80 Gwreck
Jesse Orosco - 48.83
Randy Myers - 48.98
Skip Lockwood - 49.31
Al Leiter - 48.57 JCL
Dwight Gooden - 52.16 JCL
Rick Reed - 53.86 Gwreck
Jon Matlack - 54.44 JCL
Carl (a/k/a Carlton) Willey - 54.77 G-Fafif
Jae Seo - 56.76 G-Fafif
Sid Fernandez - 57.21 JCL
Frank Viola - 58.38 G-Fafif
Pedro Martinez - 60.08 G-Fafif
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Who's next on this list, right after Pedro?

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Who won the kwiz?

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G-Fafif wrote: Good quiz! Realized, as the likes of Darling and Koosman were nixed, that once the other elite guys were accounted for there was more merit in shorter stints that packed a punch.

I was surprised that Cone didn't make the cut. My eyeballs sez he woulda made it, easily. I was originally gonna do a top 10, but extended the list just so Willey could be included. He's one of my favorite Mets.

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John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Who won the kwiz?

I think you did.

[G-Fafif]

Lena D.'s Ob Gyn?

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Here's the top 10 on that list, from the bottom up, or the bottom 10 in descending order (Mets career war >= 4.4)

Jack Fisher 202.54
Jonathon Niese 143.82
Mike Pelfrey 140.05
Ed Lynch 125.92
Bobby Jones 124.05
Gary Gentry 119.60
Dillon Gee 118.46
Pete Falcone 114.65
Jim McAndrew 107.30
John Maine 106.27

[Edgy MD]

The eligibility credentials makes it a funny quiz. Those bottom 10 were all decent pitchers. But mostly decent enough to keep floating on, and so look bad by that metric.

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Edgy MD wrote: The eligibility credentials makes it a funny quiz. Those bottom 10 were all decent pitchers. But mostly decent enough to keep floating on, and so look bad by that metric.

Exactly! If I included pitchers with career WAR's < 4.4, then you'd see what bad is, and Jack Fisher wouldn't be near the bottom. You'd have to be decent just to accumulate a 4.4 career WAR. A pitcher who averaged less than a 1.0 WAR per season probably wouldn't get enough innings to get to 4.4.

Unless he was the Rey Ordonez of pitchers.