Doing it the Drunkenly Quasi-Right Way

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

It bears noting, I think, that in the face of peaceful-- if vocal-- demonstrations the other day regarding the Ferguson situation, the Best Fans in Baseball were in fine fettle.

At about 10:25 a small blonde lady starts yelling at the protesters: "We're the ones who gave all y'all the freedoms that you have!" At 14:54, the Cardinals fans start in on a very loud "USA! USA! USA!" chant. At 16:07, another Cardinals fan begins yelling at the protesters, telling them that they need to get jobs. At 16:43, a female Cardinals fan begins chanting "Africa! Africa! Africa!" at the protesters.

[ashie62]

I'm sorry, this made me laugh.

At 8:10 one of the Cardinals fans calls one of the protesters a "crack head" and tells him he needs to go see a dentist.

People are people, good, bad or indifferent.

[Guest d'Kong76]

I thought maybe this thread was about ...
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[Ceetar]

he did 4 after the WC playin game. I almost want them to win now just to see if he can do 7.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Nothing bad has ever happened to the Cardinals. Can you think of one?

Darryl Kile, maybe. Although I think of him as an Astro.

Their version of suffering is seeing a potential home run go foul or something. Fuck them!!!!

[Edgy MD]

I tend to think of a dozen DWIs in a row as something bad, topped off with the death of Josh Hancock.

I know Hancock isn't Lou Brock or anything, but the lowliness of killing himself in an under-the-influence accident, crashing into the back of a stationary wrecker, is pretty dramatic.

[Guest d'Kong76]

The Coleman/Tarp incident is the only thing that
pops into my head right off.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Cards tragedy with a Met connection:

While a member of their organization, Cards minor leaguer and future Met Johnny Lewis's wife and mother of their two children, was killed in a car accident. She was 22.

[batmagadanleadoff]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Cards tragedy with a Met connection: While a member of their organization, Cards minor leaguer and future Met Johnny Lewis's wife and mother of their two children, was killed in a car accident. She was 22.

Here's another Cards tragedy with a Met connection:

Cards trade perennial MVP candidate superstar who's also the greatest fielding first baseman in baseball history to the Mets for two barely memorable pitchers.

[stevejrogers]

Cards tragedy with a Met connection: While a member of their organization, Cards minor leaguer and future Met Johnny Lewis's wife and mother of their two children, was killed in a car accident. She was 22. Here's another Cards tragedy with a Met connection: Cards trade perennial MVP candidate superstar who's also the greatest fielding first baseman in baseball history to the Mets for two barely memorable pitchers.

You MIGHT not want to use that phrase connecting a bad trade with the passing of a guy's wife.

As for the second bolded statement. Rick Ownbey yes, but Neil Allen? Guy was the Met closer for much of the early 1980s and featured heavily on official publications. Hard to call him barely memorable even if his accomplishments were soon to be eclipsed by Orosco, McDowell, Myers, Franco, et al.

Oh sure he falls off the map after the trade, ironically IIRC alcohol abuse was among the culprits since Hernandez was sent packing due to his love of the white powder, and bounces around a bit, but barely memorable is a bit harsh of a label to stick on him.

[ashie62]

Cards tragedy with a Met connection: While a member of their organization, Cards minor leaguer and future Met Johnny Lewis's wife and mother of their two children, was killed in a car accident. She was 22. Here's another Cards tragedy with a Met connection: Cards trade perennial MVP candidate superstar who's also the greatest fielding first baseman in baseball history to the Mets for two barely memorable pitchers.

Screw Neil Allen, I was the key!

[dinosaur jesus]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: Here's another Cards tragedy with a Met connection: Cards trade perennial MVP candidate superstar who's also the greatest fielding first baseman in baseball history to the Mets for two barely memorable pitchers.

And another one: Cards trade their former MVP, future Hall of Fame corner infielder, who's still got a .300 season left in him, for a couple of relief pitchers, one of them washed up and the other never any good. At first base the next year they're forced to play a big-headed rookie who hits .250 with no power, and they go from a game and half out of first place the previous year to nineteen games out, tied with the Mets. I don't know how Bing Devine kept his job after that one.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Cards tragedy with a Met connection: While a member of their organization, Cards minor leaguer and future Met Johnny Lewis's wife and mother of their two children, was killed in a car accident. She was 22. Here's another Cards tragedy with a Met connection: Cards trade perennial MVP candidate superstar who's also the greatest fielding first baseman in baseball history to the Mets for two barely memorable pitchers. You MIGHT not want to use that phrase connecting a bad trade with the passing of a guy's wife.

Yes I do.

As for the second bolded statement. Rick Ownbey yes, but Neil Allen? Guy was the Met closer for much of the early 1980s and featured heavily on official publications.

Blah blah blah blah Ownbey blah blah Allen. Hey kid, just lemme have my fun, willya kid?

[stevejrogers]

Here's another Cards tragedy with a Met connection: Cards trade perennial MVP candidate superstar who's also the greatest fielding first baseman in baseball history to the Mets for two barely memorable pitchers. And another one: Cards trade their former MVP, future Hall of Fame corner infielder, who's still got a .300 season left in him, for a couple of relief pitchers, one of them washed up and the other never any good. At first base the next year they're forced to play a big-headed rookie who hits .250 with no power, and they go from a game and half out of first place the previous year to nineteen games out, tied with the Mets. I don't know how Bing Devine kept his job after that one.

Geez, you sound like an internet troll bashing that kid like that!

On the flip side...ehh...Torre did have one solid year left in him (FWIW, I wouldn't tap him future HOFer since he's in only due to his Mgr career) but yeah, I can see the trade being considered bad for the RedBirds as they could have gotten more for him.

[stevejrogers]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: SteveJRogers wrote: As for the second bolded statement. Rick Ownbey yes, but Neil Allen? Guy was the Met closer for much of the early 1980s and featured heavily on official publications. Blah blah blah blah Ownbey blah blah Allen. Hey kid, just lemme have my fun, willya kid?

LOL! Just don't dismiss Doug Flynn in the same way in regards to the Seaver trade around here =

But, just so we are clear on Allen's place among the early 1980s Mets...




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[ashie62]

Thing I remember most about Neil Allen is the full Daily News backpage of Allen and the headline was something like "I'm a drunk."

I found a 1990 Chicago Tribune article of Neil Allen interviewed by Michael Kay. I did not know it had gotten that bad for Neil. A rough read.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1990-03-18/sports/9001230582_1_rickey-henderson-camp-in-plant-city-problem.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Jeez, he was one of seven barely recognizable Bill Gallo figures on the cover of the Mets '81 yearbook. That's practically Nobel Peace Prize cache.

And what happened to Bob Gibson? And why the hell is everyone in a cloud? I don't get it.

[stevejrogers]

Look, I'm not advocating the Mets put him into their HOF, but the point is Allen was far from being some obscure hurler with a few 1982-1983 appearances while riding the shuttle from either Tidewater or the DL that thrown into a deal for Keith Hernandez.

1) He was well thought of enough that he was on the ballot for the Mets 40th anniversary team (as voted by fans) as a righty reliever with Roger McDowell, Armando Benitez and Skip Lockwood. I don't know the voting breakdown, but based on Benitez' standing as a Met in 2002, I'd imagine he snuck in a distant second place finish behind McDowell.

2) Same 4 guys appeared ten years later on the 50th anniversary team ballot, this time voted on by a panel of Metly experts. McDowell still picked up the nod, BUT he was still considered among the better right handed relievers in team history (not saying much, but still).

Hence, hardly a guy you can dismiss as "barely memorable."

[batmagadanleadoff]

I remember Neil Allen. Really I do.

[TransMonk]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Nothing bad has ever happened to the Cardinals. Can you think of one?

[Guest d'Kong76]

D'oh, guess we blocked that big lug out!

[ashie62]

Wow, yeah that sucked azzz.

[dinosaur jesus]

[stevejrogers]

Ah yes, there was that!

Didn't Tudor bust his hand punching a fan (air blowing one) after that game?

[Frayed Knot]

Neil Allen: 65th best Met of all time - but looks like he could be passed by Lucas Duda this year.

Edited October 9, 2014 by Guest

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

TransMonk wrote: John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Nothing bad has ever happened to the Cardinals. Can you think of one?

I don't see how this made their fans suffer. They went and rehired that douche. They all love him and only hate those other two.

[Ceetar]

sure, guy broke the home run record and entertained them for years. Granted, didn't win a WS but still, definitely in the good column.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Edgy MD wrote: I tend to think of a dozen DWIs in a row as something bad, topped off with the death of Josh Hancock. I know Hancock isn't Lou Brock or anything, but the lowliness of killing himself in an under-the-influence accident, crashing into the back of a stationary wrecker, is pretty dramatic.

Yeah that sucked but he was a 2006 Cardinal and so will always be held in high regard by the Greatest Fans In Baseball.

[TransMonk]

Maybe.

I just know that if it were Piazza (or any other Met) that avoided the questions from Congress in order to not call himself out as a liar, I would have been embarrassed.

[Ceetar]

TransMonk wrote: Maybe. I just know that if it were Piazza (or any other Met) that avoided the questions from Congress in order to not call himself out as a liar, I would have been embarrassed.

I like to think I would've just rolled my eyes even harder. Besides, the writers, collectively, are basically treating Piazza like he did.