Ned Yost vs. Terry Collins

[Edgy MD]

Does Terry Collins refuse to use his designated seventh- and eighth-inning guys in the sixth last night like Ned Yost did?

I know Terry can muster the mental strength and confidence to break out of his self-imposed formula. I've seen him do it! But would he do it with all the chips on the line?

For the purposes of this exercise, we're in a one-game playoff and Vic Black is still hurt. Terry's "seventh-inning guy" is therefore Carlos Torres. Does Terry go to Torres or Familia there? Or does he stick in an off-day starter on one day of rest. (I don't know who would be analogous to Ventura. Probably Wheeler.)

(Maybe he goes with Carlyle?)

[HahnSolo]

If I had to guess, I say he probably goes Carlyle there. I don't think even Terry would go to a starter on 1 days rest. Then he'd probably go get Carlyle after pitching to Moss and begin the domino effect where we'd be out of effective pitchers by the time we got to the 10th, never mind the 12th inning.

Of course the correct answer is you leave your ace in with a lead and only 88 pitches under his belt.

[Ceetar]

HahnSolo wrote: Of course the correct answer is you leave your ace in with a lead and only 88 pitches under his belt.

And I think Collins would do that.

But if he'd decided Shields was done? hmm. one game play-in? I dunno, I think he probably goes with Torres. Torres seems his designated 'bridge' guy that he brings in when he doesn't have a designated role or length.

but he might go Edgin for matchups.

[Edgy MD]

He is willing to go multiple innings on Torres.

Sometimes.

[G-Fafif]

I didn't know managers could use anybody besides Carlos Torres prior to the eighth inning.

[Lefty Specialist]

Since it's a lefty up in the fictitious scenario, Terry would go to Edgin, who'd strike Moss out on 4 pitches.

[Frayed Knot]

The problem with Yost's decision last night (Ignoring the whole 'Why pull Shields in the first place?' question) for his first reliever wasn't that he went for a starter despite having a deep pen, but maybe that he went to a 23 y/o rookie who had thrown 78 pitches just two days earlier.

[Edgy MD]

Yeah, I try and frame the question as such.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Frayed Knot wrote: The problem with Yost's decision last night (Ignoring the whole 'Why pull Shields in the first place?' question) for his first reliever wasn't that he went for a starter despite having a deep pen, but maybe that he went to a 23 y/o rookie who had thrown 78 pitches just two days earlier.

[Points to nose]

Pedro nailed this, both on Twitter in real-time and post-game... after the win.

[Zvon]

LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: The problem with Yost's decision last night (Ignoring the whole 'Why pull Shields in the first place?' question) for his first reliever wasn't that he went for a starter despite having a deep pen, but maybe that he went to a 23 y/o rookie who had thrown 78 pitches just two days earlier. [Points to nose] Pedro nailed this, both on Twitter in real-time and post-game... after the win.

Yep. During the season, maybe you test the rook that way if need be. During the WC1game, with a starting pitcher who may have had more in his tank, and a deep pen...

He is really lucky his team bailed him out of that mess.