Momma Mejia !!!!

[Frayed Knot]

Since Aug 1: 16 Games, 15-2/3 IP, [u:cxoe71w0]10 Runs allowed on 22 Hits[/u:cxoe71w0] + 4 BBs & 18 Ks
That stretch includes 1 blown save where he not only gave up the tying run but the winning run also, plus 2 more losses where he entered tie games and immediately coughed up the game loser
He's given up runs in 7 of his last 16 outings.


Not that any of this means it's panic time, or that he needs to be swapped out although I'd be OK if we did--hell, Washington & Boston removed Soriano & Uehara from the 9th inning slots this week and they've got longer track records then him-- and I don't mean to dredge up the whole value of a closer debate or anything. It's just that I find it kind of fascinating that none of this seems to be coming down on Jenrry to this point. Fans seem to be treating him as if we've secured the closer of the present and future while Gary & Keith were saying nothing but good things right up until the moment he started putting out the fire with gasoline this afternoon ... AGAIN!

The irony this brings up is, of course, Armando Benitez who somehow managed to become the most hated man in Met-dom even though, until his final disastrous half-season in Queens, I'd be willing to bet that he never had a stretch as bad as the one Mejia's currently right in the middle of. He could have ONE game like today's (one where he didn't even lose the lead) on the her;s of a dozen straight clean ones and peeps would be calling for his head.

[Edgy MD]

Not a big game. Rinse. Repeat.

[ashie62]

I would be willing to trade Mejia for Giancarlo Stanton.

[Zvon]

Mejia's level of maturity concerns me. I think he has great stuff and potential to be a very good closer. But I feel the same about Familia and feel he's more level headed, more mature.

24 saves, should end up with close to 30 in limited time. I say trade him while he's hot. Unfortunately, I (like Sandy) would insist on getting more than he might be worth. At least something we need.

Lets package him with Lazy Feets, denDekker, either that catcher who's raking down in the minors or d'Arnaud, & Montero for Stanton.

[Edgy MD]

You just gave up our starting leftfielder, shortstop and catcher in one fell swoop. That's three eighths of our lineup. Not to mention our closer and our seventh-best starting pitcher.

Pretty cool that Montero is our seventh-best starting pitcher, though, huh?

[metirish]

A bit disappointing that this thread is not about Mejia's Mom going crazy about her son's role or something , of course it is worse than that....

[Zvon]

Edgy MD wrote: You just gave up our starting leftfielder, shortstop and catcher in one fell swoop. That's three eighths of our lineup. Not to mention our closer and our seventh-best starting pitcher. Pretty cool that Montero is our seventh-best starting pitcher, though, huh?

If denD is our regular leftfielder and Lazy Feets is our starting SS for next season we aren't going anywhere.
With one maybe, not both. Including d' is a concern, so keep him and move that catching prospect guy.
Stanton will fill one of those holes, move muddy waters to make Herrera our shortstop & we r good2go.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Muddy Waters? Lazy Feets? I'm not sure who we're talking about here.

[Frayed Knot]

Lazy Feets is apparently Flores.
Muddy Waters I can only assume means that we've got someone in our minor league system named McKinley Morganfield





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[Edgy MD]

I don't know who Muddy is either. But I'm more than a little dubious that making Dilson Herrera the Mets regular shortstop makes them "good to go."

[Guest Trachsel My Tears]

It tough to find a trading partner who's looking to acquire your gigantic heap of trash in exchange for his small piece of gold.

Not that I'm calling D'arnaud, Mejia, etc, "trash," or anything but I think all sensible trade talk starts by including names on your side of the ledger that cause you pain, probably too much pain at first blush, to even consider trading, even for Stanton. IOW, if we're not talking about including, oh, Wheeler or Degrom, say (plus other good young players) in such a deal, forget about getting Stanton.

[Benjamin Grimm]

The Mets should offer the Marlins Bobby Abreu and "Cuppy." Take it or leave it!

[Edgy MD]

I don't know about Stanton himself. There's no doubt if a team wants to go for an MVP/Cy Young-quality talent, the price would be painful. I would simply think that a lot of the talent given up at this point would come --- unlike the proposed package --- from the minor league ranks, so as not to absorb the hit all over the next 1-3 seasons but divide it among fully ripened talent and talent likely to bloom further down the road.

I'm thinking Stanton shmanton at this point. The offseason'll come soon enough. 'Sides, it's unhealthy to get obsessed with one guy, especially one that isn't being publicly shopped.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Bill Madden (yeah, yeah, I know...) said that the Red Sox are likely to trade Yoenis Cespedes, and that the Mets should be in on it. He also said that Cespedes would come "cheap" because 2015 is his walk year. (I have my doubts about that last part. I don't think that players are typically traded at all that much of a discount in their walk years.)

[Guest Trachsel My Tears]

Edgy MD wrote: I don't know about Stanton himself. There's no doubt if a team wants to go for an MVP/Cy Young-quality talent, the price would be painful. I would simply think that a lot of the talent given up at this point would come --- unlike the proposed package --- from the minor league ranks, so as not to absorb the hit all over the next 1-3 seasons but divide it among fully ripened talent and talent likely to bloom further down the road. I'm thinking Stanton shmanton at this point. The offseason'll come soon enough. 'Sides, it's unhealthy to get obsessed with one guy, especially one that isn't being publicly shopped.

Unless you consider his own "Five good months doesn't outweigh five bad years" remark to be him publicly telling the world that no way is he staying in South Florida.

I don't think low-minors prospects who no one's heard much about is, by definition, painful. "Painful" by my lights involves some MLB talent of a fairly high order, the pain being all the shit that will get heaped on Sandy Alderson's head for dealing "stars" for superstars, whether Stanton or no. All the talent in the farm system doesn't amount to pain, in fans' eyes, if you get a superstar back.

[Edgy MD]

Well, I didn't say anything about low minors and high minors. Nor do I say anything about players "no one has heard much about."

I'm certain that dealing Brandon Nimmo and Kevin Plawecki and/or Steven Matz in a package would be painful for the Mets leadership team. What it means to fans, I don't know. They are a wide and varied group.

[Guest Trachsel My Tears]

My assumption (YMMV) is that most fans have maybe heard of Syndergaard and a few other prominent minor leaguers, and frankly even if you piled up the minor leaguers to the ceiling, including Syndergaard, I don't think of that as being painful to your average fans, even if they have heard of them, as long as you get a superstar back.

I'm just saying that ain't gonna happen. You'll need to include MLB talent, even some star MLB talent, Wheeler, deGrom, Mejia, Familia, Gee, Niese, D'arnaud, etc to attract a superstar, and if you include enough to succeed, you're bound to hear a lot of fans yammering about how much this trade hurts. Can't be helped. Cost of doing business.

[nymr83]

Frayed Knot wrote: The irony this brings up is, of course, Armando Benitez who somehow managed to become the most hated man in Met-dom even though, until his final disastrous half-season in Queens, I'd be willing to bet that he never had a stretch as bad as the one Mejia's currently right in the middle of. He could have ONE game like today's (one where he didn't even lose the lead) on the her;s of a dozen straight clean ones and peeps would be calling for his head.

as of now, nobody really has any reason to remember anything Mejia has done wrong because the Mets suck.

Benitez on the other hand managed to blow games in big situations, despite pitching well most of the time. this is just bad luck, but it leaves a bad impression

[Ceetar]

Nymr83 wrote: Frayed Knot wrote: The irony this brings up is, of course, Armando Benitez who somehow managed to become the most hated man in Met-dom even though, until his final disastrous half-season in Queens, I'd be willing to bet that he never had a stretch as bad as the one Mejia's currently right in the middle of. He could have ONE game like today's (one where he didn't even lose the lead) on the her;s of a dozen straight clean ones and peeps would be calling for his head. as of now, nobody really has any reason to remember anything Mejia has done wrong because the Mets suck. Benitez on the other hand managed to blow games in big situations, despite pitching well most of the time. this is just bad luck, but it leaves a bad impression

starting 2000 through 5/6/00 17 G, 17 IP, 13 H, 13 ER, 11 BB, 5 HR, 6.88 ERA

[Frayed Knot]

Nymr83 wrote: as of now, nobody really has any reason to remember anything Mejia has done wrong because the Mets suck.

Except that it's easy to remember because it's happening NOW, and yet few if any words have been spoken that treat Mejia as anything other than a solid closer both currently and going forward.

starting 2000 through 5/6/00 17 G, 17 IP, 13 H, 13 ER, 11 BB, 5 HR, 6.88 ERA

I took a quick look and found several months (4/00 being one of them) where Armando had similar months to what Mejia had in August although AB's seemed to be from a few very bad games as opposed to Mejia who's had few clean ones recently.

[Ceetar]

I mean, 15 or so innings is mostly irrelevant as a ridiculously small sample size (Which makes relievers so hard to judge as is)

you could find 15 innings where _anyone_ sucked I imagine.

[Edgy MD]

Not Jeter, you can't.

[Frayed Knot]

Ceetar wrote: I mean, 15 or so innings is mostly irrelevant as a ridiculously small sample size (Which makes relievers so hard to judge as is) you could find 15 innings where _anyone_ sucked I imagine.

Sure, and, again, the main point here wasn't who was better or worse but in the difference in how the two are regarded.

P.S. - the fact that April is the quickest example we find of Bentiez sucking* kinds of explodes the myth that he was lights-out until September rolled around, don't it?

* the other rough stretches I found for him were one in May, in August, and, yes, one in September before he finally collapsed in 2003 with the worst month he ever had as a Met in, once again, April. (take note if you would, Gary Cohen)

[Guest Trachsel My Tears]

it is a point well taken that we tend to overlook horrible games in seasons where the Mets are under .500, especially late in those seasons. Can you imagine the reaction if yesterday's 9th inning was late in a pennant race? Momma Mejia indeed!