IGT 04/25 - Fishsticks at Metropolitans

[Zvon]

Frayed Knot wrote: 7) NOT Sending Q: Right move IMO. Yeah something could have gone wrong with the relay but on balls that don't even get to the wall and then are right back into the cut-off that's a tall order. Also, once the game was already tied you're in a less desperate situation.

Your right. I can't help it if I always feel desperate watching the Mets.

[Guest themetfairy]

[Guest d'Kong76]

Frayed Knot wrote: WOWZERS!!! THOUGHTS ON THE GAME!!!! 3) Abreu: That's the EXACT situation you got him for and his AB there was perfect ... only the result wasn't.

He nailed that ball, and the booth questioned LF
playing so shallow. It's an 'oh well.'

[Edgy MD]

Frayed Knot wrote: 8) Five straight LHBs against side-arming Cishek is certainly the way you want to do it. Only d'Arnaud that inning wasn't and that's another argument for him Sac-B-ing

Yeah, credit to Terry on this one. He also bunted with the righthanded d'Arnie. I would have pinch-run Nieuewie for Duda (would I ever), but by not doing so, Terry avoided having the fake lefty (Young, Jr.) up there with the winning run on.

He also dodged the prospect of scoring the tying run but having to going to extras with Young at second.

Nieuwie really seems to have a lot of big hits in the ninth and later.

[Frayed Knot]

d'Kong76 wrote: WOWZERS!!! THOUGHTS ON THE GAME!!!! 3) Abreu: That's the EXACT situation you got him for and his AB there was perfect ... only the result wasn't. He nailed that ball, and the booth questioned LF playing so shallow. It's an 'oh well.'

I wondered what he was doing so shallow too, but I guess daring a 40 y/o who's been out of the game for over a year to go deep to the opposite field isn't such a bad play on the Marlins' part.
Certainly staved off their execution ... even if only temporarily (heh, heh, heh)

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I hadn't realized Niuewenhuis was a pinch-hitter. Big move by Terry, and a terrific turn at bat for Niuewy, whom I might not have even had on the team but seems to be always in the middle of late-inning stuff.

[Ceetar]

I tend to poo-poo lefty/righty stuff a bit, so I'm okay with leaving Germen in, but I feel like Collins goes to the lefty there 18/19 times and that's basically why. As good as Germen's been lately, I don't know that he's earned the trust to go after lefties in tight games?

But the 9th? I definitely would've pinch run. I don't know that I would've done Kirk though, because of the weak hitters coming up. I'm always tempted to use a pitcher in those situations. Maybe Colon?

Omar is crap anyway so I don't think there's any situation you can credit putting him in, but I wonder if Terry was thinking about the possibility of Cishek and getting the lefty in there, or if it was all just about getting Germen the second inning. That probably means he'd already determined Germen was going to face the lefties.

But, LolMarlins. they're now 2-11 against the NL East and 1-9 on the road.

[Benjamin Grimm]

When that ball jumped off Abreu's bat I was sure the game was tied. I too, with little trust in Granderson coming through, would have sent Quintanilla home. Things turned out okay. I was surprised at how much faith I had in Nieuwenhuis when he was batting.

[Frayed Knot]

I immediately thought about PR-ing for Duda (although was resisting) but credit to Terry for seeing far enough ahead that he preferred to have a PH on hand for the pitcher's slot (Abreu) and again for EYJ since he had to stick with Q
Those moves were more important than the PR

[Edgy MD]

I've been thinking in my post-game tubbie and I got the impression that Terry and his coaches have put a LOT of thought into how they would go after Cishek.

I mean, he not only had a pile of lefties lined up there, but at least three of them (Duda, Nieuwie, and Granderson) with a classic lefthanded loop swing that can go down and get the low pitch and negate the sink from the sidearming righty. Duda, Nieuwie, and Abreu all went the other way.

[Frayed Knot]

Ceetar wrote: I tend to poo-poo lefty/righty stuff a bit, so I'm okay with leaving Germen in, but I feel like Collins goes to the lefty there 18/19 times and that's basically why. As good as Germen's been lately, I don't know that he's earned the trust to go after lefties in tight games?

I was OK with leaving Germen in there too - he actually got hit harder in his first inning than in his second (at least up to the point where the HRs started flying).
My only question was that why was Rice even up and throwing if not to shut down the inning with 3 straight LH bats coming up. Decoy?



And, yes, Q was in there strictly because the 9th slot was leading off. It would very much surprise me if he was thinking about Cishek there (although maybe as a bonus reason).

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I see your act, Ceets. "Optimistic" Mets fan when they're doomed, Pessimistic when things are looking up.

Omar was a double switch which allowed Germen to get that second inning. I think if Salty had got on base in any other manner than a home run, he would have switched to Rice for the the next guy. I thought Salty was struck out for sure and lost a bit of my energy when he wasn't too.

[Edgy MD]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: I think if Salty had got on base in any other manner than a home run, he would have switched to Rice for the the next guy.

Yeah, playing matchups with the bases empty is usually overkill (unless it's an All-Star homerun hitter up there). I guess it would have been right tonight, with hindsight, but generally, it's overkill.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Say what you will about our offense, but, well... we certainly do seem to have read the book on this division's closers, haven't we?

[Edgy MD]

Mark Simon reports that Cishek had face 17 lefties so far this year and allowed hits to exactly none of them.

Until tonight.