Tell Me Where It Hurts, Baby

[bmfc1]

batmagadanleadoff wrote: Vic Sage wrote: Also the failure to sign Reyes was financial, not part of a rebuild. Again, we could have traded Reyes, as we did Beltran, as a rental since we apparently knew we weren't going to keep him, but we didn't and got nothing for him. so NOT a rebuilding move. The way the Mets handled Reyes contract status during his last season as a Met is still baffling, even now - a year and a half after the fact. In the end, it became clear that the Mets never had a chance to resign Reyes, given their financial constraints. So the only logical explanation for the Mets behavior is that they didn't have the stomach to weather the negative fan reaction that they anticipated would develop after trading Reyes. So they tried instead, to contrive a scenario that was supposed to make it appear that Reyes spurned the Mets offer. It was all so wishy-washy, and typical of this ownership. So they got nothing for one of baseball's most popular players at perhaps, the peak of his career, and didn't save face either. The strategy was ineffective at every measure and almost unanimously criticized.

Well said batmagadanleadoff.

[batmagadanleadoff]

bmfc1 wrote: batmagadanleadoff wrote: Vic Sage wrote: Also the failure to sign Reyes was financial, not part of a rebuild. Again, we could have traded Reyes, as we did Beltran, as a rental since we apparently knew we weren't going to keep him, but we didn't and got nothing for him. so NOT a rebuilding move. The way the Mets handled Reyes contract status during his last season as a Met is still baffling, even now - a year and a half after the fact. In the end, it became clear that the Mets never had a chance to resign Reyes, given their financial constraints. So the only logical explanation for the Mets behavior is that they didn't have the stomach to weather the negative fan reaction that they anticipated would develop after trading Reyes. So they tried instead, to contrive a scenario that was supposed to make it appear that Reyes spurned the Mets offer. It was all so wishy-washy, and typical of this ownership. So they got nothing for one of baseball's most popular players at perhaps, the peak of his career, and didn't save face either. The strategy was ineffective at every measure and almost unanimously criticized. Well said batmagadanleadoff.

Thanks. It's just standard operating procedure at Flushing. They couldn't trade Dickey gracefully, either. RA wanted half of what he could've gotten on the FA market, but that wasn't good enough for eff n jeff. They had to smear him on the way out.

[batmagadanleadoff]

The money quote: the torture the Mets regularly provide is a feature, not a bug




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Darkness at the Edge of Queens


The Cardinals dispatched the Mets 9-2 on Tuesday. The team has been bad before, of course, but its fans have never been so dispirited. (AP Photo)

While the rest of you last night were watching: � The Spurs use the Heat to remove stray gristle from their molars; Support WFP � Seattle put together a legitimate Euro-quality atmosphere in cheering on the U.S. Men's National Soccer Team to a convincing World Cup qualifying win over Panama, or; � Our favorite players from the '90s throw each other around in the Diamondbacks-Dodgers tussle (how cool was that, by the way? Mark McGwire, Matt Williams, Don Mattingly, Alan Trammell, in a brawl, but now all old. This gets us one step closer to that Will Clark-Andres Galarraga bloodfeud I've been imagining since I was 15); I was doing none of those things. I was at Citi Field, watching my Cardinals dispatch the Mets 9-2 in sterile, almost bored fashion. Hey, the Cardinals only come to town once a year. Thanks to the express train, I got home in time to catch the end of the Spurs destruction and Eddie Johnson's USMNT goal. It was a rich, full evening. According to my MLB.com At The Ballpark app, I have been out to Flushing to watch the Mets play 39 times since the 2005 season, 20 times at Citi Field and 19 times at the old Shea. The Mets have been excellent, 26-13, when I've been in the stands. I've seen playoff games, exhibition games, doubleheaders, blowouts and near no-hitter. But I have never seen Mets fans more dispirited than they were last night. Dispirited is the perfect word, too: All spirit is gone. I wear my Cardinals gear to these games, and I've been booed and heckled and mocked, almost always with (reasonable) good cheer. But nobody even bothered last night. Citi Field was a collective, three-hour shrug. My friend who went to the game with me, who knows and cares about the Mets as well and as much as anyone could possibly care to, put it well: "Why waste a nice evening dwelling on things nobody seems able to change?" Ever since Adam Wainwright threw that impossible curveball by an apparently immobile Carlos Beltran -- two men likely to be Cardinals All-Stars at Citi Field this July, which is just mean -- Mets fans have been kicked in the face by their team in every conceivable fashion. 2007 brought the historic collapse. 2008 brought the most depressing final game for a home stadium imaginable. (The New York Times called it "immersed in gloom," which is not the Mets' current marketing slogan, but probably should be.) 2009 was an injury-filled disaster; 2010 brought Jason Bay and mass firings; 2011, 2012 and 2013 have been more traditional lousy teams, with occasional breaks to say goodbye to the team's most popular players. You couldn't be meaner to your fanbase if you took time out between innings to personally insult every paying customer over the loudspeaker. ("Tom, in Section 128, Row 16? Yeah, you. You're fat and you're stupid. Now batting, Jordany Valdespin.") Being a Mets fan has always contained an inherent sense of fatalism and self-loathing for liking such a painful franchise; the torture the Mets regularly provide is a feature, not a bug. But in my 13-plus years here, I've never seen it like this. It's not even pain anymore: It's just numb, blank stares. Many Mets fans in my section, after Allen Craig's three-run homer in the fifth inning, had their eyes glaze over, as if they were finding a place in their mind to escape. They appeared to be fantasizing about a world other than this one, a place far, far away. It was basically the last scene of Brazil. The weird thing about this is that the Mets, under the direction of Sandy Alderson, have actually been pretty smart. They've made terrific trades (turning Beltran into Zach Wheeler, who should debut this week, and R.A. Dickey into top catching prospect Travis d'Arnaud), been prudent in promoting prospects (promoting and pushing Matt Harvey at the exact correct time) and not wasting money on any more Jason Bays, not that they have any money to spend anyway. But the team has collapsed anyway. As much as you might want to scream at the Wilpon family, or Bernie Madoff, or just go punch an Amway salesman, the Mets have watched their three top hitting prospects -- Ike Davis, Ruben Tejada and Lucas Duda -- essentially fall off the face of the earth, either because of injuries or apparent post-traumatic-valley-fever-syndrome. This team has zero offense right now. In that 20-inning game against the Marlins last weekend, you got a sense the game could have gone 40 innings, and the Mets weren't scoring a run. The Mets' pitching isn't so bad, even when Harvey isn't starting -- and it's about to get fun when Wheeler gets here -- but when your team can't score, it just knocks the wind out of you. When your offense is this empty, it feels like someone has tied your arms to the chair. That's where Mets fans were last night. That's where they've been all season. You can't help but feel for David Wright, who is likely going to lead the Mets in just about every offensive category by the time his career is over. He already leads the franchise in hits, doubles, RBIs and runs, and he's third in homers and, sort of amazingly, fifth in stolen bases. And after the Mets signed him to a seven-year extension in the offseason, he's going to be on the team through 2020. It's tough to see how they're not going to be seven miserable years. His surrounding cast probably won't ever be this feeble again, but the Mets are farther away than they were two years ago. It's hard to even cheer for Wright; it feels like obligation, and it just requires too much energy. There's no energy to spare. It requires a ton of Mets fans' energy just to drag themselves out to the game. I love Mets fans, and I love this franchise. They have the best mascot, the best ballpark food and a general pluck in their fanbase's moroseness they try to hide but can't. The world of baseball is a better place when the Mets matter. This is not something that is fun to see. It's no wonder so many Mets fans are choosing not to. I'd be trying to escape to my happy place too. * * *

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/50407266/

[Vic Sage]

Edgy MD wrote: Well, I think you're wavering between "they're not really re-building" and "they're rebuilding for the wrong reasons," but I think I stated clearly that circumstances have forced their hand.

well you can think that, but its not what i said. I said it's a half-assed rebuild being forced on them by their economic problems... problems, by the way (contrary to Ceetar's assertion), that may have been exacerbated by losing but weren't caused by it. We could have played over .500 ball the last few seasons, even been competitive for post-season play, and the Madoff money problems would still have broken this team down, just as most observers anticipated.

[Edgy MD]

I can think what?

[Vic Sage]

...the Mets have watched their three top hitting prospects -- Ike Davis, Ruben Tejada and Lucas Duda -- essentially fall off the face of the earth,...

ok, Tejada is not one of top 3 hitting prospects and never was, and Duda hasn't fallen off the face of the earth. He's close to whatever reasonable projections might have been for him. Yes, Davis has been a disaster, but he was the first half of last year, too. That we talked ourselves into the fact that it was just a 1-time thing isn't Davis's fault... it's ours. And that we have no reasonable alternative for the position reflects on a lack of organizational depth, not some mystical force of doom which covers the franchise like a shroud.

[batmagadanleadoff]

Connecting the dots ....

My friend who went to the game with me, who knows and cares about the Mets as well and as much as anyone could possibly care to, put it well: "Why waste a nice evening dwelling on things nobody seems able to change?"

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/50407266/

[ashie62]

Serenity now...

[metirish]

It's not even pain anymore: It's just numb, blank stares.

I agree, I am so disgusted with the team. I was going to start a thread about Alderson, but there is no need, it's all in here. I think he is full of shit, a great salesman of rubbish but i am willing to give his plan another year.

[Edgy MD]

That's an hilarious post.

[metirish]

Thanks, I think....

[Edgy MD]

My girlfriend is a cheating, lying, hooker. I'm through. I can't stand her face.

She has a year to clean up her act.

Bless you.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I don;t know why anyone would hang around with a smug Cardinals fan who thinks he knows what it's like to be a Met fan.

[Edgy MD]

Yeah, it needs be said. The Mets being good or bad doesn't make Leitch a cock or not a cock. That's on him.