Giants vs Tigers WS IST

[Frayed Knot]

Just for kicks, the starting lineups of the [u:3lwv8o4m]previous time[/u:3lwv8o4m] these two teams played in the series

For the Giants it was just two seasons ago

1 - Andres Torres - CF --- Wonder where he is today?
2 - Freddie Sanchez - 2B --- Was in the Giants system this year but injured
3 - Buster Posey - C
4 - Pat Burrell - LF --- Retired
5 - Cody Ross - RF --- One of the heros of that series IIRC. Spent this season in Boston
6 - Aubrey Huff - 1B --- Got a big contract off that year. Is still on the team, but just a PH due to both physical and mental issues over the last two seasons
7 - Juan Uribe - 3B ---Got a big deal off the Dodgers after this year, one I bet they regret making.
8 - Edgar Renterea - SS --- Retired
9 - Tim Lincecum - P --- The 2-time CY winner who they're now afraid to let start



With the Tiggers being six years back you expect more of a turnover

1 - Curtis Granderson - CF --- And once again he helped Detroit reach the World Series!!
2 - Craig Monroe - LF --- Out of baseball by 2009
3 - Placido Polanco - 2B --- Came from the Phillies in a mid-year deal that year. He stayed with Detroit for several more seasons before signing back with Philly
4 - Magglio Ordonez - RF --- Retired
5 - Carlos Guillen - 1B --- The former middle-infielder stayed with the Tigers through last season but appears to now be retired.
6 - Ivan Rodriguez - C --- Retired
7 - Sean Casey - DH --- Retired
8 - Brandon Inge - 3B --- Started this season with Detroit but is now with Oakland and no longer the hitter he once was
9 - Ramon Santiago - SS --- Is still with the team although hasn't had any appearances in the post-season and may not even be on the active roster
P - Justin Verlander --- The rookie who had only pitched 11 ML innings in the reg season plus 11 more in the playoffs leading up to the WS was given the game one start even though the entire staff was rested. He was promptly bombed for 6 runs in 5 innings.

[Guest Mets � Willets Point]

Edgar Renterea

There was a decade or so where it seemed that he was required to be in the lineup for one of the World Series' teams.

[Frayed Knot]

Mets � Willets Point wrote: Edgar Renterea There was a decade or so where it seemed that he was required to be in the lineup for one of the World Series' teams.

Only 3 times in the WS as it turns out, but he did make the playoffs 7 different times with 4 different teams over a 16 year career so, yeah, it did seem that way.




Meanwhile, I suspect this is a little suspected fact: The Giants have won the last 13 times (11 reg season + one each in LDS + LCS) that Barry Zito has started a game (8 wins for him + 5 NDs).
The last game he & the Giants lost when he started?: when the Mets hung up a 7-spot on his and ran his ass out 'da game in the 5th inning on August 2nd in an eventual 9-1 win. The Mets took 3 of 4 that week (in San Fran) dropping the Giants to just a half-game lead out west. After that they pretty much went on a winning streak.

[ashie62]

Any stolen Base= one Taco Bell free Taco.

Thats a low bar.

[Frayed Knot]

Are the Tigers allowed to use a pitcher who doesn't exist in the World Series?
I would have thought there were rules against that.


98 pitches for Verlander just to get through 4 innings.
Even with the guys he was getting out it was taking him a lot of effort.

[Frayed Knot]

OMG!

It's Panda-monium!!

and he's going to have at least two more ABs

[ashie62]

Pandu.. as in the starting NL All star.

Maybe Jason Bay can channel Zito's comebac.

Edited October 24, 2012 by Guest

[ashie62]

Lets morph the recent success of Barry Zto into the 2002 Bowmans Best Mets Rookie Bat.

[Ceetar]

Ashie62 wrote: Pandu.. as in the starting NL All star. Maybe Jason Bay can channel Zito's comebac.

Well, Jason Bay did have a couple of good games too.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

This is redick.

[MFS62]

Maybe the Yanks are watching. You don't need a superstar at every position to be a good team. Just good pitching, sound defense and a third baseman who can hit when it counts. (MFS62, stirring the Yankee reporter drink.)
Later

[Frayed Knot]

MFS62 wrote: Maybe the Yanks are watching. You don't need a superstar at every position to be a good team. Just good pitching, sound defense and a third baseman who can hit when it counts. (MFS62, stirring the Yankee reporter drink.) Later

I expect a flood of calls to FAN in the near future (they may have already started last night) from Yanqui fans demanding to sign Pedro Sandoval this winter, both on the basis that he's now a 'proven clutch October performer' and that if he can hit HRs in that park then just imagine what he can do in their little playground. The fact that he just signed a three-year deal with SF and is thus unable to simply jump to the Bronx for money for at least another three years will come as a surprise to many of them because of the assumption that such trivial obstacles don't apply to their team.
Once satisfied that that option won't work the trade proposals will then come out. Most likely to be offered: ARod. Edward Nunez. Brett Gardner. And of course the old fall-back: 'a coupla prospects'.

[ashie62]

The Yankees could send "prospect" Eric Duncan..remember that kid?

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Really stupid call by the 3rd base coach.

[Frayed Knot]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Really stupid call by the 3rd base coach.

Yup.
Even a bad move if it wasn't Prince running.

[Frayed Knot]

Twelve Tiger outs so far and they've only made Bumgarner earn ten of them.
Not a great recipe for scoring.

[Ceetar]

Pagan stolen base gets everyone free tacos.

[G-Fafif]

In a more perfect world, 2-0 World Series games in which the runs score on a double play and a sacrifice fly in the seventh and eighth; in which the turning point is a large man being thrown out at home; in which one pitcher is hit in the head yet keeps pitching and all the pitchers give up only seven hits total...in a more perfect world, this is the kind of game that would have "saved baseball," not home run chases or whatever got people (and players) all pumped up fifteen years ago.

Old school is an overused phrase. But this was old school.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I dunno. What stays with me is the poor execution by the Tigers. Making the first out at home like that was idiotic, as was Infante getting picked off first base. I'm not sure if that's old school or special ed.

[metirish]

Zito pitching like this is old school.....looks curtains for the Tigers when the Giants are getting quality starts with the pen they have coming in.

[Frayed Knot]

The thing is that the Tigers didn't really hit a whole lot in the first two series - their pitchers (not including the closer) did most of the heavy lifting in both series.
The offense was held to 3 runs or less in 5 of the 9 games but still managed to win three of those five.
At some point they'll need Miggy & Prince to wake up.

[Frayed Knot]

[u:26rtq9jf]Game 3[/u:26rtq9jf]

2 GiDPs for the Tigers in the first 3 innings of this game which makes it four for the series so far (21 innings).
Between those and the caught stealings, the pick-offs, and Prince getting thrown out at the plate, the Tigers simply aren't getting enough base-runners to be giving away so many outs.

Especially when one of the GiDPswas with two on and in front of Cabrera, the other was with two on right after Cabrera got on.
Two of the four were by Prince.

[Frayed Knot]

Man I wouldn't take Lincecum out now ... but Bochy is doing just that.

[Frayed Knot]

And he gets away with it anyway - although you get the feeling that he could pitch just about anyone right now at the Tiggers wouldn't score.

[G-Fafif]

The Giants: Highly effective.

The Tigers: Less so.

The MFYs: Idle, but I couldn't help but think that the impending storm would have made an ideal alibi for why there would have been so many empty seats MFYS III in Game Three...though I imagine SF fans would have snapped them up.

[ashie62]

This series is more like the World Snooze. The TV ratings have to suck.

[MFS62]

Ashie62 wrote: This series is more like the World Snooze. The TV ratings have to suck.

Fox is going to ask ABC/ESPN is they can borrow Brent Mussberger to shill for them.
(Howie 'The Shill" Cosell, as one reporter called him, is no longer available.)

Later

[seawolf17]

MFS62 wrote: Ashie62 wrote: This series is more like the World Snooze. The TV ratings have to suck. Fox is going to ask ABC/ESPN is they can borrow Brent Mussberger to shill for them. (Howie 'The Shill" Cosell, as one reporter called him, is no longer available.) Later

But just think, if they dug him up, what that would do for ratings! And around Halloween, no less!

[ashie62]

Whoa Doctor! The big dogs want to watch football!

[Guest Kong76]

Howard Cosell was a lot of things, a shill wasn't
one of them.