Jason Bay for John Lackey

[Ceetar]

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Edgy DC wrote: I'm guessing Doc isn't operating from a comprehensive knowledge of the options available to the Mets. I don't know if it's still like this, but I seem to remember when all WFAN caller trade proposals called on the Mets to trade for:

You forgot [*]Players who are Met/Yankee killers.

[Edgy MD]

It's been a while for me.

[Ceetar]

Edgy DC wrote: It's been a while for me.

Felix Hernandez has been the popular Yankee WFAN trade for a while.

Fister/Verlander probably get featured soon.

Mike Francesa was talkingto Girardi about what he'd do differently in the 2012 postseson yesterday.

[Edgy MD]

Thanks for catching me up.

[Frayed Knot]

My long-time view of Met-fan & Yanx-fan trade proposals - whether via WFAN or even going back to 1980s NYPost when they carried a Friday column which let fans loose on that subject - is this:

- the typical NYM fan-proposed trades usually involved getting rid of half the team for half of someone else's team: I'd deal McReynolds, Darling, Dykstra, Backman & Knight for ... .
They were also big on three and even four way deals which involved at least a dozen players total. For the most part it didn't seem to matter who the Mets had but their fans always wanted someone else, even to the point where if the roles were reversed I swear they'd be trying to deal the guys they had FOR McReynolds, Dykstra, Backman, etc.

- the typical Yanqui fan proposed trades were/are just totally one-sided, deals that were along the lines of: Mike Pagliarulo and the then mid-30s Ron Guidry for the in-their-primes Boggs & Clemens. The modern day equivalent involves guys like Felix Hernandez and usually contains phrases like: 'well how 'bout if we pay some of Burnett's salary?', or, '... plus t'row in a coupla prospects' ... (but not the good ones of course)'

[Vic Sage]

bay and burnett are similar in age and contracts, but as has been said, there are values in Bay (on defense, vs LHP, as a baserunner) that, while surely not worth the price, contribute something to a team. But a pitcher who can't be relied on to get out of the 3rd inning? A mop-up guy/spot starter, middle-inning guy at best, but likely not even that. Pass.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

Yeah, I'll pass on this.

Red Sox righty John Lackey will undergo Tommy John surgery, new GM Ben Cherington announced today. WEEI's Rob Bradford reported Lackey's visit to Dr. Lewis Yocum earlier today, noting that the surgery causes a sixth-year option to vest for Lackey at the league minimum. This is a good thing for Boston - it reduces the average annual value of the contract from $16.5MM to $13.8MM, creating luxury tax savings.

[Fman99]

There's a 100% chance that the Mets give Bay a chance to play all season in 2012 with short porches all over the place. They're going to Fenway up this motherfucker best they can for him, and Wright, and try and sell some tickets.

[metirish]

The Daily News had the Sox going for Sabathia on the back page today. I hope go does opt out of his contract, fuck the Yankees.

[Edgy MD]

I understand the sentiment of the last sentence of that post. But I expect the best way to that end might be letting the Yankees tack on another 30-40% of that contract to retain him, and then watching Sabathia's career --- like Sabathia's body --- go all pear shaped.

[Ceetar]

Edgy DC wrote: I understand the sentiment of the last sentence of that post. But I expect the best way to that end might be letting the Yankees tack on another 30-40% of that contract to retain him, and then watching Sabathia's career --- like Sabathia's body --- go all pear shaped.

logically that makes sense, but I'm tired of looking at contracts and saying "Well, that should go badly at the end of the contract"..we there yet? What about all those innings Halladay has thrown? can we get there already?

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Edgy DC wrote: I understand the sentiment of the last sentence of that post. But I expect the best way to that end might be letting the Yankees tack on another 30-40% of that contract to retain him, and then watching Sabathia's career --- like Sabathia's body --- go all pear shaped.

You gotta wonder what the appetite is to exceed what he has left on that deal. I know pitchers will be scarce but $92M is a lot to beat, and 4 years is about the limit you'd wanna give him.

[metirish]

John Cougar Lunchbucket wrote: Edgy DC wrote: I understand the sentiment of the last sentence of that post. But I expect the best way to that end might be letting the Yankees tack on another 30-40% of that contract to retain him, and then watching Sabathia's career --- like Sabathia's body --- go all pear shaped. You gotta wonder what the appetite is to exceed what he has left on that deal. I know pitchers will be scarce but $92M is a lot to beat, and 4 years is about the limit you'd wanna give him.

Like they did with Rodriguez, that deal is looking swell on his ageing body.

[Edgy MD]

logically that makes sense, but I'm tired of looking at contracts and saying "Well, that should go badly at the end of the contract"..we there yet? What about all those innings Halladay has thrown? can we get there already?

Well, I don't care one way or another about Halladay. I intend to have my team beat the Phillies on the field. But I don't think I should have to enumerate the sour contracts the Yankees hold.

Posada got $13.1 million to hit like Jason Bay this season without the defense. Jeter is a load nobody can acknowledge. As noted elsewhere, Feliciano has been and looks to be money down a well. Burnett drew $16.5 million and pitched like Pelfrey.

Was that enough to sink the Yankees? Not quite, but it sure helped. I've got to look for more of that. Money the Yankees don't spend on Sabathia will only go toward another top flight pitcher who may be a better investment. The beast is going to eat.

Are we there yet? Well, I'm watching a Yankee-free World Series right now. That's always nice.

[Ceetar]

Edgy DC wrote: Are we there yet? Well, I'm watching a Yankee-free World Series right now. That's always nice.

They made the playoffs, and were a center of conversation for a month while the Mets were mostly being ignored. And they did it with guys like Freddy Garcia and Bartolo Colon who were already well over the hill and seemingly found another one to climb up.

I'm just tired of reading about how in a couple of years maybe these Mets prospects will be good and maybe all these contracts the Yankees/Phillies/competition gave out will be hamstringing them and then maybe we have a chance!

[Edgy MD]

Well, then, don't read. I'm not sure what I can tell you.

If somebody roots for the Yankees to be overcome, I think it's best if they double-down on Sabathia. Irish seems to hope they lose him. You're the optimist. What do you think?

[smg58]

I'm with Edgy. The Yankees have already gotten the three best years they'll get from CC. Let them pay more for the rest of it.

[Fman99]

smg58 wrote: I'm with Edgy. The Yankees have already gotten the three best years they'll get from CC. Let them pay more for the rest of it.

Ten more years, $300 million more. Lets see them A-Rod this fucker up. And then he will fall apart, faster than Amy Winehouse's vital organs.

[Ceetar]

Edgy DC wrote: Well, then, don't read. I'm not sure what I can tell you. If somebody roots for the Yankees to be overcome, I think it's best if they double-down on Sabathia. Irish seems to hope they lose him. You're the optimist. What do you think?

Mets optimist (and I'm worried about that status if Reyes does get away) , not Yankees optimist.

Specifically, I want CC to opt out and go to another team. It's not a given that he'll break down on some at some defined age/innings. Maybe he's just one of those guys that stays healthy. After all, I feel like experts have been citing his innings load on his frame for a couple of years now. He even had offseason, minor, surgery on his knee and recovered just fine.


I then want the Yankees to give C .C. money to C.J. and get A.J. production.