Second Series Reflections

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Doesn't appear we had the O to beat Johnson anyhow, so for me this series was all about Brian Schneider's deployment in the first game.

I mean, got-damn Jerry. Let him swing it or sit his ass, if that's what you want.

[Guest Edgy DC]

I fear this team more than Phillie. The good news is that they matched up well, the bad news is that we lost two of three.

The other bad news is that, with relative youth, and pitchers returning from injury, their team can well hope to get better as the year progresses. Can ours?

[TransMonk]

FWIW, Florida looks better than I expected them to. The NL East could get even more competitive.

And Johnson was very, very impressive.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Yes, we can be better. Redding can replace O'Day if need be and Wright can start hitting the ball with authority. Those are two obvious "weaknesses" we could see corrected in the weeks to come. I think we need a better hitting catcher or give Schneid the chance to be one.

For them, I don't think Bonafacio is going to hit .600 all year long and considfering what we able to do off their bullpen and Nolasco, they're not impossible to penetrate. Johnson is terrific but won't throw that well against us every time out. I'd still rank Philly ahead of them.

So in summary, I'm actually pretty satisfied with most of our team but strongly disagree with the way Jerry wussed us out of Friday's game.

[metirish]

="John Cougar Lunchbucket":axxf6rt3]Doesn't appear we had the O to beat Johnson anyhow, [/quote:axxf6rt3] That's a hell of a thing to say considering how many times we will face this guy this season, doesn't bode well does it?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 13 2009 07:55 AM

I meant yesterday we didn't. Some days he won't have as much.

metirish Apr 13 2009 07:56 AM

Well it's not that I was disagreeing with you and it's possible for him to beat us 5 times this season or more.

G-Fafif Apr 13 2009 08:36 AM

Matter raised in my e-mail group that I have to admit didn't occur to me all weekend: somebody should have slid hard or come inside to send a message/retaliate for last September, the way they celebrated on our field and such, and in general for taking such glee in eliminating us. I can't imagine this bunch of Mets doing anything like that, from the manager down to the stars, the starting pitchers, anybody save maybe for a cranky reliever or two but then you're worried about protecting a lead. I instinctively approve all Met retaliation, proactive or otherwise, but my gut tells me you beat teams by outplaying them. Any thoughts?

TransMonk Apr 13 2009 08:39 AM

I ate the shit out of some fish fry on Friday thinking of the end of last season the whole time. I hoped they learned their lesson.

Gwreck Apr 13 2009 08:42 AM

="G-Fafif":1j14ng15]I instinctively approve all Met retaliation, proactive or otherwise, but my gut tells me you beat teams by outplaying them. Any thoughts?[/quote:1j14ng15] I think we do that at home rather than in their park. Edgy DC Apr 13 2009 08:45 AM ="G-Fafif":186wiib5]Matter raised in my e-mail group that I have to admit didn't occur to me all weekend: somebody should have slid hard or come inside to send a message/retaliate for last September, the way they celebrated on our field and such, and in general for taking such glee in eliminating us. I can't imagine this bunch of Mets doing anything like that, from the manager down to the stars, the starting pitchers, anybody save maybe for a cranky reliever or two but then you're worried about protecting a lead. I instinctively approve all Met retaliation, proactive or otherwise, but my gut tells me you beat teams by outplaying them. Any thoughts?[/quote:186wiib5] Did the Victor Diaz GameTM actually elminate the Cubs or merely break their spirits? And did the Mets inappropriately over-celebrate? John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 13 2009 08:46 AM Yes, they should outplay them. Which sort of supports my denouncing of Jerry's passive approach to, you know, scoring enough runs to defeat them. The more I think about it the madder I get. Sixth inning, new releif pitcher in, and he gives up a home run and single. Do we keep the music playing? No, we purposefully make an out to set up... Castillo? With a chance only to tie it? And when he makes an out, not on purpose, they can sidestep Sheff. Stupid Jerry. G-Fafif Apr 13 2009 08:50 AM ="Edgy DC":jat6uws2] ="G-Fafif":jat6uws2]Matter raised in my e-mail group that I have to admit didn't occur to me all weekend: somebody should have slid hard or come inside to send a message/retaliate for last September, the way they celebrated on our field and such, and in general for taking such glee in eliminating us. I can't imagine this bunch of Mets doing anything like that, from the manager down to the stars, the starting pitchers, anybody save maybe for a cranky reliever or two but then you're worried about protecting a lead. I instinctively approve all Met retaliation, proactive or otherwise, but my gut tells me you beat teams by outplaying them. Any thoughts?[/quote:jat6uws2] Did the Victor Diaz GameTM actually elminate the Cubs or merely break their spirits? And did the Mets inappropriately over-celebrate?[/quote:jat6uws2] Spirit-breaking was the event in '04. Don't recall an overwhelming celebration. Hope Diaz is seeing something for his trademark. Listen, you win and you can do what you want. This is the franchise that perfected the curtain call and created the Festival of the Handshake. The Marlins made a big deal of eliminating the Mets a second time? Don't let 'em do that: the winning, that is. I didn't notice the excessive celebration until the "GET OFF THE FIELD!" chant started. It's sad when the fans have to show the indignation for the team, I suppose, but I'd prefer the Mets show their teeth as they cross the plate. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 13 2009 08:51 AM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":uyqcgzju] So in summary, I'm actually pretty satisfied with most of our team but strongly disagree with the way Jerry wussed us out of Friday's game.[/quote:uyqcgzju] More or less with you, Lunchpail... Speaking of wussing out, is it me, or has Jerry gone a little Willie on us with the bullpen usage? Between playing righty-lefty with Stokes and Feliciano, sticking to one-and-done inning limits for guys like Parnell or Stokes (even in long-man/mop-up situations), and 23 (!) appearances in 6 games, I'm mildly disturbed. (The fact that this comes after a springtime of this-is-a-changed-bullpen and pitchers-who-can-pitch-to-everybody happy talk deepens that disturbance a touch.) ="G-Fafif":uyqcgzju]I instinctively approve all Met retaliation, proactive or otherwise, but my gut tells me you beat teams by outplaying them. Any thoughts?[/quote:uyqcgzju] I like the idea of doing this in their house-- something about Joe Player Dolphin stadium makes me wish the Mets would go wrestling-heel in this place. Edgy DC Apr 13 2009 08:52 AM Even the book says not to play for a tie on the road. More conservative than the book is pretty conservative. Jerry keeping Rodriguez out of the game and losing with O'Day is also a frustration. Randolph and Manuel ain't black and white. GYC Apr 13 2009 11:19 AM I ironically felt better about this series than the first one, even with the lesser results. Go figure. The big thing for me, though, is probably that I only saw one game in its entirety, so that lessens the frustration. metsmarathon Apr 13 2009 11:23 AM ="Edgy DC":1gx6ofkt]Randolph and Manuel ain't black and white.[/quote:1gx6ofkt] i would've considered them black and black.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

I meant yesterday we didn't. Some days he won't have as much.

[metirish]

Well it's not that I was disagreeing with you and it's possible for him to beat us 5 times this season or more.

[G-Fafif]

Matter raised in my e-mail group that I have to admit didn't occur to me all weekend: somebody should have slid hard or come inside to send a message/retaliate for last September, the way they celebrated on our field and such, and in general for taking such glee in eliminating us. I can't imagine this bunch of Mets doing anything like that, from the manager down to the stars, the starting pitchers, anybody save maybe for a cranky reliever or two but then you're worried about protecting a lead.

I instinctively approve all Met retaliation, proactive or otherwise, but my gut tells me you beat teams by outplaying them. Any thoughts?

[TransMonk]

I ate the shit out of some fish fry on Friday thinking of the end of last season the whole time.

I hoped they learned their lesson.

[Gwreck]

="G-Fafif":1j14ng15]I instinctively approve all Met retaliation, proactive or otherwise, but my gut tells me you beat teams by outplaying them. Any thoughts?[/quote:1j14ng15] I think we do that at home rather than in their park.

Edgy DC Apr 13 2009 08:45 AM

="G-Fafif":186wiib5]Matter raised in my e-mail group that I have to admit didn't occur to me all weekend: somebody should have slid hard or come inside to send a message/retaliate for last September, the way they celebrated on our field and such, and in general for taking such glee in eliminating us. I can't imagine this bunch of Mets doing anything like that, from the manager down to the stars, the starting pitchers, anybody save maybe for a cranky reliever or two but then you're worried about protecting a lead. I instinctively approve all Met retaliation, proactive or otherwise, but my gut tells me you beat teams by outplaying them. Any thoughts?[/quote:186wiib5] Did the Victor Diaz GameTM actually elminate the Cubs or merely break their spirits? And did the Mets inappropriately over-celebrate? John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 13 2009 08:46 AM Yes, they should outplay them. Which sort of supports my denouncing of Jerry's passive approach to, you know, scoring enough runs to defeat them. The more I think about it the madder I get. Sixth inning, new releif pitcher in, and he gives up a home run and single. Do we keep the music playing? No, we purposefully make an out to set up... Castillo? With a chance only to tie it? And when he makes an out, not on purpose, they can sidestep Sheff. Stupid Jerry. G-Fafif Apr 13 2009 08:50 AM ="Edgy DC":jat6uws2] ="G-Fafif":jat6uws2]Matter raised in my e-mail group that I have to admit didn't occur to me all weekend: somebody should have slid hard or come inside to send a message/retaliate for last September, the way they celebrated on our field and such, and in general for taking such glee in eliminating us. I can't imagine this bunch of Mets doing anything like that, from the manager down to the stars, the starting pitchers, anybody save maybe for a cranky reliever or two but then you're worried about protecting a lead. I instinctively approve all Met retaliation, proactive or otherwise, but my gut tells me you beat teams by outplaying them. Any thoughts?[/quote:jat6uws2] Did the Victor Diaz GameTM actually elminate the Cubs or merely break their spirits? And did the Mets inappropriately over-celebrate?[/quote:jat6uws2] Spirit-breaking was the event in '04. Don't recall an overwhelming celebration. Hope Diaz is seeing something for his trademark. Listen, you win and you can do what you want. This is the franchise that perfected the curtain call and created the Festival of the Handshake. The Marlins made a big deal of eliminating the Mets a second time? Don't let 'em do that: the winning, that is. I didn't notice the excessive celebration until the "GET OFF THE FIELD!" chant started. It's sad when the fans have to show the indignation for the team, I suppose, but I'd prefer the Mets show their teeth as they cross the plate. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 13 2009 08:51 AM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":uyqcgzju] So in summary, I'm actually pretty satisfied with most of our team but strongly disagree with the way Jerry wussed us out of Friday's game.[/quote:uyqcgzju] More or less with you, Lunchpail... Speaking of wussing out, is it me, or has Jerry gone a little Willie on us with the bullpen usage? Between playing righty-lefty with Stokes and Feliciano, sticking to one-and-done inning limits for guys like Parnell or Stokes (even in long-man/mop-up situations), and 23 (!) appearances in 6 games, I'm mildly disturbed. (The fact that this comes after a springtime of this-is-a-changed-bullpen and pitchers-who-can-pitch-to-everybody happy talk deepens that disturbance a touch.) ="G-Fafif":uyqcgzju]I instinctively approve all Met retaliation, proactive or otherwise, but my gut tells me you beat teams by outplaying them. Any thoughts?[/quote:uyqcgzju] I like the idea of doing this in their house-- something about Joe Player Dolphin stadium makes me wish the Mets would go wrestling-heel in this place. Edgy DC Apr 13 2009 08:52 AM Even the book says not to play for a tie on the road. More conservative than the book is pretty conservative. Jerry keeping Rodriguez out of the game and losing with O'Day is also a frustration. Randolph and Manuel ain't black and white. GYC Apr 13 2009 11:19 AM I ironically felt better about this series than the first one, even with the lesser results. Go figure. The big thing for me, though, is probably that I only saw one game in its entirety, so that lessens the frustration. metsmarathon Apr 13 2009 11:23 AM ="Edgy DC":1gx6ofkt]Randolph and Manuel ain't black and white.[/quote:1gx6ofkt] i would've considered them black and black.

[Guest Edgy DC]

="G-Fafif":186wiib5]Matter raised in my e-mail group that I have to admit didn't occur to me all weekend: somebody should have slid hard or come inside to send a message/retaliate for last September, the way they celebrated on our field and such, and in general for taking such glee in eliminating us. I can't imagine this bunch of Mets doing anything like that, from the manager down to the stars, the starting pitchers, anybody save maybe for a cranky reliever or two but then you're worried about protecting a lead. I instinctively approve all Met retaliation, proactive or otherwise, but my gut tells me you beat teams by outplaying them. Any thoughts?[/quote:186wiib5] Did the Victor Diaz GameTM actually elminate the Cubs or merely break their spirits? And did the Mets inappropriately over-celebrate?

John Cougar Lunchbucket Apr 13 2009 08:46 AM

Yes, they should outplay them. Which sort of supports my denouncing of Jerry's passive approach to, you know, scoring enough runs to defeat them. The more I think about it the madder I get. Sixth inning, new releif pitcher in, and he gives up a home run and single. Do we keep the music playing? No, we purposefully make an out to set up... Castillo? With a chance only to tie it? And when he makes an out, not on purpose, they can sidestep Sheff. Stupid Jerry.

G-Fafif Apr 13 2009 08:50 AM

="Edgy DC":jat6uws2] ="G-Fafif":jat6uws2]Matter raised in my e-mail group that I have to admit didn't occur to me all weekend: somebody should have slid hard or come inside to send a message/retaliate for last September, the way they celebrated on our field and such, and in general for taking such glee in eliminating us. I can't imagine this bunch of Mets doing anything like that, from the manager down to the stars, the starting pitchers, anybody save maybe for a cranky reliever or two but then you're worried about protecting a lead. I instinctively approve all Met retaliation, proactive or otherwise, but my gut tells me you beat teams by outplaying them. Any thoughts?[/quote:jat6uws2] Did the Victor Diaz GameTM actually elminate the Cubs or merely break their spirits? And did the Mets inappropriately over-celebrate?[/quote:jat6uws2] Spirit-breaking was the event in '04. Don't recall an overwhelming celebration. Hope Diaz is seeing something for his trademark. Listen, you win and you can do what you want. This is the franchise that perfected the curtain call and created the Festival of the Handshake. The Marlins made a big deal of eliminating the Mets a second time? Don't let 'em do that: the winning, that is. I didn't notice the excessive celebration until the "GET OFF THE FIELD!" chant started. It's sad when the fans have to show the indignation for the team, I suppose, but I'd prefer the Mets show their teeth as they cross the plate. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 13 2009 08:51 AM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":uyqcgzju] So in summary, I'm actually pretty satisfied with most of our team but strongly disagree with the way Jerry wussed us out of Friday's game.[/quote:uyqcgzju] More or less with you, Lunchpail... Speaking of wussing out, is it me, or has Jerry gone a little Willie on us with the bullpen usage? Between playing righty-lefty with Stokes and Feliciano, sticking to one-and-done inning limits for guys like Parnell or Stokes (even in long-man/mop-up situations), and 23 (!) appearances in 6 games, I'm mildly disturbed. (The fact that this comes after a springtime of this-is-a-changed-bullpen and pitchers-who-can-pitch-to-everybody happy talk deepens that disturbance a touch.) ="G-Fafif":uyqcgzju]I instinctively approve all Met retaliation, proactive or otherwise, but my gut tells me you beat teams by outplaying them. Any thoughts?[/quote:uyqcgzju] I like the idea of doing this in their house-- something about Joe Player Dolphin stadium makes me wish the Mets would go wrestling-heel in this place. Edgy DC Apr 13 2009 08:52 AM Even the book says not to play for a tie on the road. More conservative than the book is pretty conservative. Jerry keeping Rodriguez out of the game and losing with O'Day is also a frustration. Randolph and Manuel ain't black and white. GYC Apr 13 2009 11:19 AM I ironically felt better about this series than the first one, even with the lesser results. Go figure. The big thing for me, though, is probably that I only saw one game in its entirety, so that lessens the frustration. metsmarathon Apr 13 2009 11:23 AM ="Edgy DC":1gx6ofkt]Randolph and Manuel ain't black and white.[/quote:1gx6ofkt] i would've considered them black and black.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Yes, they should outplay them. Which sort of supports my denouncing of Jerry's passive approach to, you know, scoring enough runs to defeat them.

The more I think about it the madder I get. Sixth inning, new releif pitcher in, and he gives up a home run and single. Do we keep the music playing? No, we purposefully make an out to set up... Castillo? With a chance only to tie it? And when he makes an out, not on purpose, they can sidestep Sheff.

Stupid Jerry.

[G-Fafif]

="Edgy DC":jat6uws2] ="G-Fafif":jat6uws2]Matter raised in my e-mail group that I have to admit didn't occur to me all weekend: somebody should have slid hard or come inside to send a message/retaliate for last September, the way they celebrated on our field and such, and in general for taking such glee in eliminating us. I can't imagine this bunch of Mets doing anything like that, from the manager down to the stars, the starting pitchers, anybody save maybe for a cranky reliever or two but then you're worried about protecting a lead. I instinctively approve all Met retaliation, proactive or otherwise, but my gut tells me you beat teams by outplaying them. Any thoughts?[/quote:jat6uws2] Did the Victor Diaz GameTM actually elminate the Cubs or merely break their spirits? And did the Mets inappropriately over-celebrate?[/quote:jat6uws2] Spirit-breaking was the event in '04. Don't recall an overwhelming celebration. Hope Diaz is seeing something for his trademark. Listen, you win and you can do what you want. This is the franchise that perfected the curtain call and created the Festival of the Handshake. The Marlins made a big deal of eliminating the Mets a second time? Don't let 'em do that: the winning, that is. I didn't notice the excessive celebration until the "GET OFF THE FIELD!" chant started. It's sad when the fans have to show the indignation for the team, I suppose, but I'd prefer the Mets show their teeth as they cross the plate. LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr Apr 13 2009 08:51 AM ="John Cougar Lunchbucket":uyqcgzju] So in summary, I'm actually pretty satisfied with most of our team but strongly disagree with the way Jerry wussed us out of Friday's game.[/quote:uyqcgzju] More or less with you, Lunchpail... Speaking of wussing out, is it me, or has Jerry gone a little Willie on us with the bullpen usage? Between playing righty-lefty with Stokes and Feliciano, sticking to one-and-done inning limits for guys like Parnell or Stokes (even in long-man/mop-up situations), and 23 (!) appearances in 6 games, I'm mildly disturbed. (The fact that this comes after a springtime of this-is-a-changed-bullpen and pitchers-who-can-pitch-to-everybody happy talk deepens that disturbance a touch.) ="G-Fafif":uyqcgzju]I instinctively approve all Met retaliation, proactive or otherwise, but my gut tells me you beat teams by outplaying them. Any thoughts?[/quote:uyqcgzju] I like the idea of doing this in their house-- something about Joe Player Dolphin stadium makes me wish the Mets would go wrestling-heel in this place. Edgy DC Apr 13 2009 08:52 AM Even the book says not to play for a tie on the road. More conservative than the book is pretty conservative. Jerry keeping Rodriguez out of the game and losing with O'Day is also a frustration. Randolph and Manuel ain't black and white. GYC Apr 13 2009 11:19 AM I ironically felt better about this series than the first one, even with the lesser results. Go figure. The big thing for me, though, is probably that I only saw one game in its entirety, so that lessens the frustration. metsmarathon Apr 13 2009 11:23 AM ="Edgy DC":1gx6ofkt]Randolph and Manuel ain't black and white.[/quote:1gx6ofkt] i would've considered them black and black.

[Guest LeiterWagnerFasterStrongr]

="John Cougar Lunchbucket":uyqcgzju] So in summary, I'm actually pretty satisfied with most of our team but strongly disagree with the way Jerry wussed us out of Friday's game.[/quote:uyqcgzju] More or less with you, Lunchpail... Speaking of wussing out, is it me, or has Jerry gone a little Willie on us with the bullpen usage? Between playing righty-lefty with Stokes and Feliciano, sticking to one-and-done inning limits for guys like Parnell or Stokes (even in long-man/mop-up situations), and 23 (!) appearances in 6 games, I'm mildly disturbed. (The fact that this comes after a springtime of this-is-a-changed-bullpen and pitchers-who-can-pitch-to-everybody happy talk deepens that disturbance a touch.) ="G-Fafif":uyqcgzju]I instinctively approve all Met retaliation, proactive or otherwise, but my gut tells me you beat teams by outplaying them. Any thoughts?[/quote:uyqcgzju] I like the idea of doing this in their house-- something about Joe Player Dolphin stadium makes me wish the Mets would go wrestling-heel in this place. Edgy DC Apr 13 2009 08:52 AM Even the book says not to play for a tie on the road. More conservative than the book is pretty conservative. Jerry keeping Rodriguez out of the game and losing with O'Day is also a frustration. Randolph and Manuel ain't black and white. GYC Apr 13 2009 11:19 AM I ironically felt better about this series than the first one, even with the lesser results. Go figure. The big thing for me, though, is probably that I only saw one game in its entirety, so that lessens the frustration. metsmarathon Apr 13 2009 11:23 AM ="Edgy DC":1gx6ofkt]Randolph and Manuel ain't black and white.[/quote:1gx6ofkt] i would've considered them black and black.

[Guest Edgy DC]

Even the book says not to play for a tie on the road. More conservative than the book is pretty conservative.

Jerry keeping Rodriguez out of the game and losing with O'Day is also a frustration.

Randolph and Manuel ain't black and white.

[Guest GYC]

I ironically felt better about this series than the first one, even with the lesser
results. Go figure.

The big thing for me, though, is probably that I only saw one game in its
entirety, so that lessens the frustration.

[metsmarathon]

="Edgy DC":1gx6ofkt]Randolph and Manuel ain't black and white.[/quote:1gx6ofkt] i would've considered them black and black.