Josh Thole

[Frayed Knot]

Might be an interesting guy to keep tabs on this year.
Low power, yet excellent plate discipline/OBA skills, it sounds like his career could hinge on his ability to adapt defensively as a relative late-comer to catching.

BA lists him in an article about low-round draft picks making good:

Josh Thole, C, Mets: A 13th-round pick in 2005 out of Mater Dei High in Breese, Ill.
Thole was a light-hitting first baseman in low Class A in 2007, when he batted .267/.311/.372 in 117 games for Savannah. Last year, Thole had a mini-breakout as he hit .300/.382/.427 in 111 games for high Class A St. Lucie in the FSL. Thole has always controlled the strike zone (he has 133 walks and 131 strikeouts in his minor league career). He has excellent bat-to-ball skills, as the 21-year-old lefthanded hitter struck out last year only 38 times (nine percent of his 402 plate appearances). Thole also became a full-time catcher, the position he played in high school and dabbled in sparingly in his previous three pro seasons. Scouts have concerns about Thole�s defense and his below-average power. Thole hit only hit five home runs in 2008, but that�s an improvement from the goose egg he posted in that category in �07. He�ll likely start this season in Double-A and play all year at age 22 as a relatively under-the-radar prospect.

[Edgy MD]

Good choice. He may have a future as a poor man's (or late bloomer's) Jason Kendall. I like how his skills translated to the AFL.

[Frayed Knot]

Dude's getting some ink from the New York Freakin' Times


Thole (pronounced TOE-lee) is the most advanced catcher in the system. Francisco Pe�a, the son of Tony Pe�a, has the pedigree, but at 19 is not as advanced as Thole.
�We�re going to spend a lot of time and effort on developing a catcher, and this is the guy who�s ahead of everyone,� said Tony Bernazard, the team�s vice president for development.

[DocTee]

Beating Chris Berman to the punch: Josh "Ultima" Thole.

[Edgy MD]

The same article says that he honed his skillz in a barn. He joins Jerry Koosman among our barn-bred stars.

[Benjamin Grimm]

Too soon to say if he'll really be "the catcher of the future" but it's nice to at least have a candidate for that position. It seems the Mets have been light on catching prospects (other than Jesus Flores) for a long time.

Here's hoping Thole is the NL Rookie of the Year in 2011.

[Edgy MD]

He's OBPing at .462 for Binghamton. Got to give him the love and attention.

Thole and Juan Nieve were ejected last week for having a mound chat that went too long. I assume the ump tagged them for delaying the game to allow a reliever to warm up, but that's pretty cool.


(Merged from Adopted: Josh Thole, 5/1/2009)

[Frayed Knot]

Already getting some love and attention about a dozen threads down.


(Merged from Adopted: Josh Thole, 5/1/2009)

[Edgy MD]

congrats. As long as he is not neglected.


(Merged from Adopted: Josh Thole, 5/1/2009)

[Frayed Knot]

John Sickels:

Mets catching prospect Josh Thole was drafted in the 13th round in 2005, out of high school in Illinois. He hit .300/.382/.427 last year for St. Lucie in the Florida State League; I gave him a Grade C in the 2009 book, noting that I liked his contact hitting ability, low strikeout rate, and decent plate discipline, but was concerned about a relative lack of power, and mixed reports regarding his defense.
He's off to a strong start this year for Double-A Binghamton, hitting .344/.415/.467. He has just one homer, but has knocked 12 doubles, and I like his 15/16 BB/K ratio in 122 at-bats. A left-handed hitter, he's hitting .450 in 40 at-bats so far against lefties, so right now at least it doesn't look like he'll have to be platooned. He still needs defensive polish according to the reports I have, and I remain concerned about the relative lack of power, but he's just 22 years old, makes contact, controls the zone, and plays a premium position. He's worth keeping an eye on definitely, and I would raise his grade to at least a C+ now.

Edited May 21, 2009 by Guest

[Frayed Knot]

From a BA Q&A:

Paul (New York): What can you tell me about Josh Thole, he's hitting .354 at double-a is he the Mets future at catcher?

J.J. Cooper: Intriguing prospect. He's got a good swing, but he's still a ways away from being a big league catcher because of concerns about his defense. The bat can play, he still has to show that the glove will allow him to make it to Citi Field.

[Guest The Second Spitter]

Interviewed by Toby Hyde.

Toby Hyde wrote: One of the nicest surprises of the 2009 minor league season has bee the play of C Josh Thole in AA. The Mets converted Thole, a high school catcher back to catching fulltime in 2008, when he hit his way into the lineup during the St. Lucie Mets� slow start. Promotod to AA Binghamton for 2009, Thole (.364/.436/.481 with16 2B, 1 HR, 21 BB and 20 SO in 162 AB) is leading the Eastern League in batting average and on-base percentage at this writing. Moreover, he�s shown more aptitude behind the plate. I ranked Thole as the 16th best prospect in the system coming in to the season, but he�s surely higher than that now. Thole displays an outstanding approach at the plate, working counts and making contact. He and I discuss his attack below. The following conversation occurred in mid-May after I named Thole Binghamton�s Player of the Month in April. (A quick scheduling note: I�ll be posting my May reviews on Wednesday, and we�ll do some more PoM interviews which will trickle onto the site in the following weeks.) TH: � How�d you feel coming out of the gate in the month in April? JT: I felt pretty good. It was a lot of work put into it in spring training and I just put my time in and getting off to a good start is very important to me. TH: How was it different being around the big league club so much in spring training this year? Putting in that work, what was the big difference for you? JT: The difference for me was the knowledge up there. Them guys � from Brian Schneider, to Castro, to Sandy . � it was unbelievable. [it�s] constantly sinking in with new stuff every single day and that�s a big part of my development right now. TH: How much of that have you been able to take with you, not just when you were in Florida, but to Binghamton, to the Eastern League, to Trenton, that you can look back on on a daily basis? JT: I mean, honestly, from the get-go - from gamecalling, getting all the pitchers on your side from day one - all that stuff that we worked on, is starting to translate. I�m starting to see it now with how important all of that stuff is. That�s what I�m doing right now. TH: Last night for example, for example, Michael Antonini, had what looked like, based on his numbers, his best start of the year. Talk about sort of being on the same page as him. Walk us through that process. JT: His last start before this last one was a tough first inning we went through and I�ll take the blame � I didn�t give him a chance to throw many of his breaking pitches early in the first inning. It paid off for the other team. This last start he made some pitches, located his pitches and made his pitches when he had too � quality pitches down in the zone and that was the biggest thing why he was so successful last night. TH: Did you and he talk about that � say, not throwing enough breaking balls early in the game and in counts last time? Say, �well, we really need to get back to moving that slider in and making that a bigger part of the attack?� JT: Yeah, exactly. When we got that poor first inning, we came in, and I said, �Hey, it�s on me. We gotta start mixing our pitches better,� and then all of a sudden, he started cruising from there. We got him to the fifth. Yeah, that was a big key and I kept harping on it with him last time before the game. And he went out there and did it and pitched outstanding. TH: How about your development as a hitter? I read an interview you did, I think it was metsfansforever, and you said that you made the adjustment last year to treat almost almost every pitch like it was two strikes. Did I remember that right? JT: Yeah, exactly. That�s what I try to do. It�s been my approach since last May. And so far, I feel a lot more consistent than I was before. Obviously, there�s a lot more room for work there, but I spread out, choked up a little bit and just tried to hit the ball hard. I�m just constantly putting the work in with that. TH: Did you get rid of a leg kick by spreading out? JT: It wasn�t so much of a leg kick, just standing more upright. I was standing pretty much straight up and down and I had a lot of head movement and you know, I was all over the place. Sometimes I would have a long stride and then a short stride, and there was no consistency there at all. So now I feel like I can go up to the plate with a plan, and execute, as best as I can, the same swing every time. TH: So by spreading out, you feel like you were able to stay more consistent, swing to swing, because there�s less movement involved overall. Is that fair? JT: Yeah, exactly, right. TH: Yeah, and one of the things that sticks out to me, having watched you play in St. Lucie last year, is that you weren�t afraid to go gap-to-gap, you went left-center, you went right-center, but is the plate discipline. Your first three years in professional baseball, you walked more than you struck out, which is just extraordinary. Where do you think that that kind of plate discipline comes from? JT: Honestly, when I�m seeing the ball pretty good, I don�t have any fear of hitting with two strikes. That�s the big thing, being patient for me. Sometimes I have to be aggressive, and sometimes I have to be more aggressive, but the patience really helps me out in that part of the game. And not being afraid to hit with two strikes is probably the biggest key. TH: Have you found that as you�ve moved up the levels, now to AA, that there are limitations to that kind of approach or is it still serving you well? JT: No. So far it�s serving me well. Here [AA] is a little bit different: guys have a lot better command and you know they�re throwing 2-0, 3-1, 2-1 breaking balls. You still gotta be patient and make sure you get your pitch to hit. I think it�s served me real well�. TH: Yeah that makes sense. What�s the biggest change, in terms of going from advanced A to AA. You mentioned breaking balls in hittter�s counts. Is that the biggest change for you? JT: Yeah, I think so. The arms � it�s not like these guys are throwing 100 here and 94 down in Florida � the fastballs, most of these guys have the same command. But the offspeed, these guys have command of all of their offspeed. It makes it a little bit harder to hit when guys are throwing three, four pitches for strikes. TH: What do you look at, and say, I need to do these one or two things better to conquer AA and move up to AAA or the big leagues? JT: I think it�s just the consistency factor. The more you talk to guys who have been in the big leagues, it�s what they is the difference between being in the minors and the big leagues is just being consistent. Obviously, both defensively and offensively, I have a lot to learn. Just being consistent, taking it one day at a time, now it�s focusing and not looking too far ahead. TH: Yeah, staying in the moment. JT: Yeah, exactly right. There�s no sense looking forward to what going to happen in June. TH: As a catcher, last year was really your first year catching fulltime � last year I saw you throw, and I thought there was enough arm there � how you feeling in terms of your footwork behind the dish? JT: I actually feel pretty good behind the dish. It�s a consistency thing for me � constantly getting my work in everyday whether it�s throwing or blocking. Everybody says, �what about his throwing?� well, you know what, if I can stay consistent and just have a quick release, I think my throwing is going to be just fine.

[Guest themetfairy]

Here's how he looked tonight -

[Frayed Knot]

A .346 batting average, a .414 On-Base average, and a .455 Slugging average at a premium defensive position, what more could you want out of a Met prospect? ... except maybe a dislocated left thumb!

[MFS62]

I had heard that he left the game last night after 1 AB. Didn't know the nature of the injury. What's the prognosis?

Side note: I'm going to take the grandkids to see Binghamton play at New Britain on Sunday , July 12. I was looking forward to see Thole in action. Hope he's back by then.

Later

[Edgy MD]

Sometimes, leaving a game midway doesn't indicate an injury, but a promotion.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

dislocated thumb

[Frayed Knot]

Adam Rubin's blog:

Top catching prospect Josh Thole, who was out July 1-17 with a dislocated left thumb, has returned behind the plate for the B-Mets. He owns the organization�s best average at .342. After two hitless games, including one at DH, Thole has now produced consecutive two-ht, two-RBI games.

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/mets/#ixzz0M14UWlMm

[Edgy MD]

Josh Thole, graduate of the Teufel School.

[Frayed Knot]

And we're movin' on up (movin' on up) ...

[MFS62]

Nice debut, kid. Keep it up.

Later

[MFS62]

And he did.

Kid looks like a keeper.

Later

[MFS62]

Venezuelan winter league stats:
Team League AVG G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG OPS
CAR VWL .406 19 64 13 26 6 0 1 11 35 11 5 0 1 .500 .547 1.047

Later

[Frayed Knot]

Off to a real tough start earlier this year, Thole has been hot lately to the point where he now has his season-long slash stats at .283/.354/.462
-- meaning that not only is his BA decent but he's showing fair plate discipline (.061 walk rate is a bit below average) and even Slugging a bit (IsoP = .179 -- .150 about avg). Not that he's likely to ever be a true slugger (145 ABs, 2 HRs) but he's racking up the doubles at such a rate that more than half (21 of 41) of his hits this year have been for extra bases (18 2Bs + 1 3B + 2 HRs).

[Benjamin Grimm]

That's good news! Having him fade away wouldn't have been a good thing. Hopefully he'll keep it up and play himself into the conversation for 2011.

[Gwreck]

Couldn't figure where to put this. From a recent Keith Law ESPN chat:

Mike (DC)
Whats your take on Josh Thole....backup catcher, league average catcher, solid regular?

Klaw
Solid regular with defensive improvement.