Dunn Traded to DBaggs

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

]D-backs get Dunn from Reds for three prospects ESPN.com news services The Arizona Diamondbacks added a big bat Monday in their attempt to hold off the Los Angeles Dodgers in the NL West race. Arizona acquired Cincinnati Reds outfielder Adam Dunn, who is tied for the major league lead with 32 home runs, for three prospects. The trade was first reported by KTAR Radio in Phoenix. In exchange for Dunn, Cincinnati will receive minor league pitcher Dallas Burk and two other players to be named later. Buck got a call from D-backs farm director A.J. Hinch, telling him he had been traded for Dunn. Buck, who was traveling with the Single-A Visalia Oaks, was already on the bus to San Jose, Calif., when Hinch called him. He had to tell teammates of the trade en route. "It was kind of funny," Buck said, "because I was rumored to be in a deal for [Mark] Teixeira, so when I just told them they all thought I was messing with them." Buck was drafted by Arizona in the third round of the 2005 draft. Once a top-notch prospect, Buck's draft status fell after had an elbow injury revealed on the eve of the '05 draft that bumped him out of a likely first-round slot. He had Tommy John surgery last summer and had begun pitching in Single-A this summer. Dunn is tied with the Phillies' Ryan Howard for the NL lead with his 32 homers. The White Sox's Carlos Quentin also has 32 home runs. Information from ESPN.com's Amy K. Nelson was used in this report.

[metirish]

Am I wrong in thinking that it didn't take a whole lot to trade for Dunn?

[nymr83]

that looks cheap to me, where were the mets on this???

[Frayed Knot]

Well, considering that we don't know who 2/3 of the trade involves it's kinda tough to say whether the price is cheap or not.

[seawolf17]

Arizona has a worse record, so if they claimed him, it never even got to the Mets.

[nymr83]

seawolf17 wrote: Arizona has a worse record, so if they claimed him, it never even got to the Mets.

i'm not asking why the Mets didn't block the waivers, i'm asking why they didn't offer more than the reds got.

]Well, considering that we don't know who 2/3 of the trade involves it's kinda tough to say whether the price is cheap or not.

i assume that because Buck was mentioned he is the best guy in the trade, the mets could have done better.

[seawolf17]

What I'm saying is that it didn't matter, at least not this week. The Mets would never have even gotten a chance.

They probably had a chance before the deadline, yes, but not today.

[nymr83]

seawolf17 wrote: What I'm saying is that it didn't matter, at least not this week. The Mets would never have even gotten a chance. They probably had a chance before the deadline, yes, but not today.

so you think the Reds traded away their best player in secret without making it known he was available? i find that hard to believe

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

Blue Jays just released Shannon Stewart, who hasn't played since an ankle injury in June.

[Frayed Knot]

]i'm not asking why the Mets didn't block the waivers, i'm asking why they didn't offer more than the reds got.

The Mets could offer Wright & Reyes with a Beltran to be named later but if Arizona claimed him the Mets had no way to make such a deal.

]i assume that because Buck was mentioned he is the best guy in the trade, the mets could have done better.

Don't assume

[seawolf17]

Exactly. It wasn't a matter of the Reds waiting around for a better offer -- Dunn had to get through waivers, and Arizona had priority; so they got a shot at him. The Reds had three options: let him go to Arizona for nothing, pull him back and keep him (they then can't trade him at all until the off-season), or work a deal with Arizona.

The Mets couldn't have been in the picture, so it doesn't matter.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Nymr83 wrote: i assume that because Buck was mentioned he is the best guy in the trade ...

It only means he was one the teams had agreed on. There is prolly a list of other prospects for Cincy scouts to evaluate and select, it could shirley include better prospects.

[Vic Sage]

it's also just a 40-game rental.
I'd still like to try and sign Dunn in the off-season.

[Guest attgig]

metsguyinmichigan wrote: Blue Jays just released Shannon Stewart, who hasn't played since an ankle injury in June.

I would think he's worth a AAA contract. he was usually a decent obp guy, though not a great power guy.

[Guest attgig]

Vic Sage wrote: it's also just a 40-game rental. I'd still like to try and sign Dunn in the off-season.

I don't think I'd want a him even with his power. just too many K's. Anyways, Bowden would prolly overpay him since it's one of his old guys.... (in partial jest)

[Guest AG/DC]

All trades are opportunitites to rip the Mets.

[Vic Sage]

]just too many K's

Too many for what?
Do they start subtracting runs if you K too much?
No, i didn't think so.

Dunn has a career OBP that approaches .400... he's not just a slugger, he's a patient and selective hitter. Does he strike out alot? Yup. But he walks alot too. In addition, he is usually amongst league leaders in HRs.

Ultimately, an out is an out. Some outs are more productive than others, but putting a ball in play can also create mutliple outs, or force the lead runner, and the sacrifice of power to put the ball in play is rarely worth it, in my view, as it, like bunting, may increase the chances of scoring 1 run, but decreases the chances of scoring mutliple runs. And unless you're in Dodger Stadium in the mid-1960s, 1 run strategies are rarely good ideas.

Now, you probably don't want an entire lineup of guys like this, because balance is important to avoid a "boom or bust" offense, but having a 28-year old LHed OF/1bman who can give you a line of 100r /100rbi /40hr /.900 OPS to hit behing Reyes, Wright and Beltran seems like a pretty good idea to me.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Paul Byrd to the Red Sox for a PTBNL

[metirish]

Ahh for fecks sake Minaya....were you in for Byrd...trying to muster fake outrage here...not working.

[seawolf17]

Nope. Within league first.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Ass.

[metirish]

Whole.

[Guest John Cougar Lunchbucket]

Reports say one PTBNL in the Dunn Deal is Micah Owings

[smg58]

Interesting. So the D-Backs get two (or three) more months out of Owings because he wouldn't clear waivers. That's creative maneuvering on their part. Still, I'd hate to feel like a lame duck. It makes the deal look significantly better for the Reds, although Owings is a work in progress as a pitcher.

Arizona has managed to acquire Dunn and Jon Rauch without dealing from the top of their deck. If they make the playoffs and the Mets don't, that will reflect poorly on Minaya.

[metirish]

] So the D-Backs get two (or three) more months out of Owings because he wouldn't clear waivers.

Sorry but I am not getting what you mean here .

[Guest sharpie]

Owings is in the minors, not like Arizona is getting anything out of him although he could be brought up in September, likely to pinch-hit.

[soupcan]

Vlad is going to spontaneously combust when he sees that Micah Owings was traded to a team other than the Mets.

On a seperate note I see that Sheffield - he of 2 homeruns hit last night - has cleared waivers.

I think he's got $14 million due him next year.

[Frayed Knot]

I don't believe you can PTBNL a player on the 25-man roster.

If it is Owings I don't know what would be keeping him from being named unless he's doing some rehab

[Guest sharpie]

Owings is not on the 25-man roster but is on the 40-man roster. I don't know if that makes a difference or not.

[Guest AG/DC]

Well, we're going back some 40 years but some of the Mets most celebrated PtBNLs --- Harry Chiti, Gus Bell --- were on the 25.