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Benjamin Grimm wrote:
So even though the Mets, at the moment, anyway, don't look too likely to outplay the hot Phillies the rest of the way


Eh.

"Hot" is as good as tomorrow's opponent.

The Mets play the Nationals, from whom they've taken the last 5 games from, and are 10-4 against this year. I see them easily picking up anywhere from .5 to 1.5 games in the first half of this week alone.


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                  W    L    Pct3  Avg W  Avg L  Champions  Wild Card   Playoffs      1D Change 7D Change
Mets 83 66 .545 90.1 71.9 56.51660 16.83896 73.35555 -7.06575 -4.91233
Phillies 83 67 .528 89.7 72.3 43.26255 21.14525 64.40781 5.07811 29.74335
Brewers 83 67 .531 89.4 72.6 .44187 53.08477 53.52663 4.81292 -26.90453
Astros 80 69 .481 86.9 75.1 .00127 7.61744 7.61871 -3.09947 4.82995


Did yesterday's loss hurt? YES! Their overall playoff chances drop by another 7%; Wild Card goes up by 2 while the Division Championship drops by 9.

Houston's loss only cost them 3 points, but they only had 10.7 at the start of yesterday's action.

Mets NHOP is now at 52% (13 happy outcomes out of 25 games). That's not a good number, needless to say. (It applies to both the Phils and the Brewers.) The magic number over the Phillies and Brewers remains at 13. If they don't reduce it today, then tomorrow morning they'll no longer even have a magic number.

The Mets magic number over the Astros is 11 and the NHOP for eliminating Houston's threat to the Mets, such as it is, is 42.3% (11 out of 26).

Good stuff needs to start happening, and soon.


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No easy task but winning the next three games here would be sweet and taking two of three at Atlanta would set us up nicely.


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                  W    L    Pct3  Avg W  Avg L  Champions  Wild Card   Playoffs      1D Change 7D Change
Phillies 84 67 .531 90.2 71.8 61.48193 18.73592 80.21785 15.81004 53.49517
Mets 83 67 .542 89.5 72.5 38.19783 26.05489 64.25272 -9.10283 -22.50156
Brewers 83 68 .532 89.0 73.0 .10815 49.02204 49.13020 -4.39643 -24.07460
Astros 80 70 .478 86.4 75.6 .00010 5.31989 5.31999 -2.29872 -0.04247

As the unhappy outcomes keep on coming, the Mets NHOP for the division title continues to rise. It's now at 56.5%. (13 out of 23) The Mets no longer have a magic number for the division title; instead they have a tragic number of 12.

Not all is bleak, however. At least, not yet. The Mets are the current wild card leader, with a magic number of 12 and their NHOP relative to Milwaukee is 52.2% (12 out of 23).

The Astros continue to be less of a threat. The Mets magic number to eliminate Houston is 10. NHOP for the Astros is 41.7%, (10 out of 24).

Prediction: We'll soon hear about the results of a Mets/Brewers coin toss.

Yesterday's action, not surprisingly, helped the Phillies a lot, giving them 15.8 more playoff points. And look at that 7-day gain: 53.49 per cent! Mets drop 9.1 points and the Brewers drop 4.4. The Phillies are now the most likely division champ, and the Brewers are the most likely Wild Card, but overall, the Mets still have better playoff chances than the Brewers do.

As the number of remaining games continues to shrink, a single day's action can cause more dramatic swings in the odds. If everything goes right today (it can happen, you know) and the Mets, Braves, and Cubs all win, things would look quite a bit brighter tomorrow.


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                  W    L    Pct3  Avg W  Avg L  Champions  Wild Card   Playoffs      1D Change 7D Change
Phillies 85 67 .534 90.8 71.2 63.65657 17.94059 81.59715 1.37930 65.07085
Mets 84 67 .543 89.9 72.1 36.07547 26.57932 62.65479 -1.59793 -29.39416
Brewers 84 68 .535 89.6 72.4 .18905 53.62267 53.81172 4.68152 -26.93066
Astros 80 71 .472 85.8 76.2 .00000 1.32076 1.32076 -3.99923 -4.64298

This doesn't seem fair: On a day when the Mets, Phillies, and Brewers all win, only the Mets see their playoff odds drop. This seems to be because the Phillies shaved more points off the Mets first place odds than the Mets gained from the Brewers. But Milwaukee increased their Wild Card odds because the Card is becoming less likely to end up in Philadelphia.

Astros continue to decline. Another day or two like this and I'll remove them from these updates.

Magic Tragic Number update: Mets magic number for the Wild Card is 11. Tragic number for the NL East title is also 11.

NHOP: Mets/Phillies: 57.1% (12 necessary happy outcomes in 21 games). Mets/Brewers: 52.4% (11 of 21)

If the season were to end with the standings as they are, the Mets would play the Dodgers in the NLDS while the Phillies would take on the Cubs. Home field advantages would go to Los Angeles and Chicago.

Teams with playoff odds between 0 and 1 are Toronto (.02901), Yankees (.02069), Florida (.59708), St. Louis (.03878) and Colorado, at .00018 appears poised to be the next team eliminated.


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Remember also that these odds take the future schedule into consideration, so that
every game we erase off the sked now makes those four against the Cubs next week a larger
portion of the overall remainder.
I'm sure that has at least a bit to do with it - although I doubt their model takes into
consideration what effect an early Chicago clinching would have on the game-to-game odds
in that series.


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Benjamin Grimm wrote:
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If the season were to end with the standings as they are, the Mets would play the Dodgers in the NLDS while the Phillies would take on the Cubs. Home field advantages would go to Los Angeles and Chicago.


I'm pretty sure if the season ended today we would play the NLDS vs. the Cubs since we would be the wild card and the Cubs have the best record.


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I think he's adjusting for the loss-column tie.


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="Benjamin Grimm"]If the season were to end with the standings as they are, the Mets would play the Dodgers in the NLDS while the Phillies would take on the Cubs. Home field advantages would go to Los Angeles and Chicago.


Wouldn't the Mets (or whoever the East champ is) have home field by virtue of better record than LA?


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                  W    L    Pct3  Avg W  Avg L  Champions  Wild Card   Playoffs      1D Change 7D Change
Phillies 86 67 .535 91.2 70.8 65.70010 23.14596 88.84606 7.24891 66.21829
Mets 85 67 .544 90.3 71.7 34.09700 38.54137 72.63837 9.98358 -17.55688
Brewers 84 69 .535 89.2 72.8 .02105 37.27627 37.29732 -16.51440 -36.93337
Marlins 80 72 .496 84.9 77.1 .20290 .51727 .72017 .12309 .60574
Astros 80 72 .468 85.4 76.6 .00000 .44620 .44620 -0.87456 -8.89261
Yesterday was one of the better days that the Mets have had in a while with a win over the Nationals and a heart-breaking loss that the Brewers suffered to the Cubs. The day was only marred by yet another win by the Phillies, their seventh in a row.

The Mets wild card lead expands to 1.5 games, and their deficit to the Phillies remains at a half game.

Mets Tragic Number for the NL East: 10
Mets Magic Number for the Wild Card: 9

Mets NHOP with the Phillies: 57.9% (11 out of 19)
Mets NHOP with the Brewers: 47.4% (9 out of 19)

The Astros continue to fade away. If they don't gain ground in today's action, I expect that this will be the last time they'll be listed in these updates.

Meanwhile, the Marlins pop back in to the picture. Their record is the same as Houston's, but BP has their odds a bit higher. Let's hope this inspires them to smack the Phillies around a bit this weekend.

Mets magic number over both Houston and Florida, who have identical records: 6
Mets NHOP with Florida and Houston: 30% each. (6 happy outcomes in 20 games.)

This weekend the three teams we care most about are all on the road: Mets in Atlanta, Phillies in Miami, and the Brewers will be in Cincinnati. And the team that we're losing interest in, the Astros, is also on the road, in Pittsburgh.

In other news from around the major leagues, the Dodgers now have playoff odds of 97.80655%, and the Diamondbacks have dropped all the way down to 2.19345%. Both numbers are NL West odds; they're both at 0 for the Wild Card.

In the AL East, as we've known for a while, the Rays and Red Sox are both extremely likely to make the playoffs, but the identity of the division champ is still to be determined. The Rays are currently at 72.75650% and the Red Sox at 27.24350%.

And there's only one remaining division race that's still competitive that doesn't have the Wild Card berth as a safety cushion. That's in the AL Central, where the White Sox have a 77.89580% for the division and the Twins are at 22.10420%.


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I guess I just don't understand how they calculate their odds. The Mets and Phils have the same number of losses with the Phils having played one more game.

Why are the odds almost 2-1 in favor of Philly winning the division? Throw in the fact that in a tie, the Mets would win (assuming Mil. is out of it).


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I think part of it is that the Phillies have a softer schedule. (Remember, 4 of the Mets remaining 10 games are against the Cubs.)

Also, Baseball Prospectus doesn't do tie-breakers. If the Mets end up tied with the Phillies, they give half the points to the Mets and half to the Phillies, rather than all points to the Mets.

Here's how they explain it:

]Champions is how often, in percentage terms, this team won the championship of their division. Ties are not broken, but credited as 0.5 championships apiece (for a two-way tie), .333 apiece for a three-way tie, .25 for four-way, etc. This is why the final decimal place is not an error!


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                  W    L    Pct3  Avg W  Avg L  Champions  Wild Card   Playoffs      1D Change 7D Change
Mets 86 67 .547 90.9 71.1 51.78453 35.69591 87.48045 14.84209 -2.75969
Phillies 86 68 .533 90.7 71.3 47.96093 39.43007 87.39101 -1.45506 64.23895
Marlins 81 72 .498 85.4 76.6 .25453 .86703 1.12156 .40139 .97577
Brewers 84 70 .530 88.6 73.4 .00535 23.11895 23.12430 -14.17302 -52.06451
Astros 81 72 .468 85.8 76.2 .00000 .77322 .77322 .32702 -8.88744
As a courtesy to the Astros, who won yesterday, they'll remain part of the daily update.

The Mets, as we know, had a great day yesterday, gaining 14.84209 playoff points, almost entirely at the expense of the Brewers. It's looking extremely likely that both the Mets and Phillies will make the playoffs and that the Marlins surge will probably be too little too late. (But it would be nice if they kept it going for at least two more games.)

Mets Magic Numbers: Over the Phillies: 9; Brewers: 7; Marlins and Astros: 5.
Phillies magic number over the Brewers: 7. Over the Marlins and Astros: 5.

NHOP Update: Mets over Phillies: 52.9% (9 out of 17) Mets over Brewers: 41.2% (7 out of 17) Mets over Astros and Marlins: 27.8% (5 out of 18). Of course, the NHOP for the Marlins is a bit more complicated, as they have two remaining games against the Phillies. The happier outcome, by far, in each of those two games would be a Marlins victory.

Personally, I'm not yet at a point where I want to root for the Brewers to win, but to have them overtake the Phillies, but not the Mets, would be sweet.

Meanwhile, the Cubs have clinched a tie for the NL Central, and have a magic number of 1.

With the Mets back in first place, the projected NLDS matchups are Cubs-Phillies and Mets-Dodgers. Cubs and Mets would have home-field advantage.

The Yankees are still barely alive, with .00003% for the AL East and .01529 for the Wild Card.

Diamondback playoff hopes are down to 1.97640.

Other teams still alive, but with their hopes down below 1 point are St. Louis and Toronto.


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Dodgers with a playoff spot almost sewn up despite currently having the [u:02bfa1bece]8th best record[/u:02bfa1bece]
in the NL. That kind of incompetance hasn't been seen since the 2000 Yanquis.


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                  W    L    Pct3  Avg W  Avg L  Champions  Wild Card   Playoffs      1D Change 7D Change
Phillies 87 68 .532 91.2 70.8 67.88938 28.50846 96.39784 9.00684 65.10419
Mets 86 68 .545 90.3 71.7 32.07973 54.92721 87.00695 -0.47350 -1.47401
Brewers 84 71 .531 88.1 73.9 .00000 15.62065 15.62065 -7.50365 -52.01031
Marlins 81 73 .499 84.9 77.1 .03088 .59340 .62429 -0.49727 .43762
Astros 81 73 .467 85.3 76.7 .00000 .30442 .30442 -0.46880 -11.32294
Despite the Mets losing yesterday and the Phillies winning, the Mets wake up this morning with their playoff odds barely dented from the previous day, with a drop of less than half a percentage point. Milwaukee took the hardest hit, losing 7.5 points. The Phillies get the biggest boost, gaining just over 9 points.

Florida's winning streak ended with the defeat to the Phillies and their odds are at a slim .62429%. Astros, with the identical record, are at .30442.

The Phillies once again possess the magic number in the NL East: 8

The Mets have the Wild Card magic number: 6

The Phillies have a magic number of 5 for finishing ahead of the Brewers and likely guaranteeing a playoff berth.

If the Mets play .500 the rest of the way (4-4) the Brewers have to go 6-1 to end up with a tie, 7-0 to beat the Mets outright.

The Mets, unfortunately, will today play their last game of the year against a losing team. After this, it's Cubs and Marlins the rest of the way. The good news is that those last seven games will all be at Shea.

NHOP update:
For the Mets to finish ahead of Philadelphia: 60% (9 happy outcomes in 15 games.)
For the Mets to finish ahead of Milwaukee: 40% (6 out of 15.)

Also, Dodgers now at 98.33335% for the playoffs. White Sox at 87.04390%, Twins at 12.95610%.


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                  W    L    Pct3  Avg W  Avg L  Champions  Wild Card   Playoffs      1D Change 7D Change
Phillies 88 68 .532 91.7 70.3 85.45823 12.86629 98.32452 1.92667 38.99482
Mets 86 69 .543 89.8 72.2 14.54098 60.27681 74.81779 -12.18916 -5.60352
Brewers 85 71 .532 88.5 73.5 .00000 26.04179 26.04179 10.42114 -22.67192
These updates are a lot less fun on mornings after days completely lacking in happy outcomes. Yesterday, as we know, the Mets lost and both the Phillies and Brewers won, completely negating the triply-happy Saturday action.

Mets drop 12 playoff points. About 10 of them go to the Brewers and just under 2 to the Phillies.

Mets magic number over the Brewers remains at 6.

The tragic number for the division title is also 6.

Phillies magic number over the Brewers is a mere 4. They're highly likely to be playing in October.

Mets NHOP over Philadelphia is 69.2% (9 out of 13)
Mets NHOP over the Brewers goes from a relatively nice 40% to a less nice 46.2% (6 out of 13).

The bad news is that the Mets now have four games against the first-place Cubs, while the Brewers have three against the last-place Pirates.

It won't be an easy task for the Mets to maintain that wild card lead through Thursday's games and into the final weekend. Especially since Niese and Martinez are starting two of the games against the Cubs.

Let's cross our fingers and see what happens...


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BG: I appreciate your posting of the numbers and analysis. I know where the numbers may be found, but you do a nice job of dissecting the numbers and explaining them.


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Yeah, even when reading the analysis causes me to vomit.


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I think our NHOP against Philadelphia can be reduced to 8 of 13, so long as the Brewers don't catch us, because a tie for the division lead (if the Brewers don't catch us) means that we get the division.


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                  W    L    Pct3  Avg W  Avg L  Champions  Wild Card   Playoffs      1D Change 7D Change
Phillies 89 68 .532 92.2 69.8 95.52425 4.10096 99.62521 1.30070 35.21741
Mets 86 70 .542 89.3 72.7 4.47575 60.85076 65.32652 -9.49126 -8.02903
Brewers 85 71 .532 88.5 73.5 .00000 34.03837 34.03837 7.99658 -19.48826
Mets hopes continue to dim and these updates seem more and more masochistic. Another 9� points drop off the playoff odds, with the Brewers taking about 8 of them (a very productive day for an idle team) and the Phillies getting the rest.

The division title is looking like quite a longshot, and the Phillies appear to be playoff bound. (Making their eventual collapse all the sweeter? How great would that be?)

The Mets have a tragic number of 4 for the NL East crown and their Wild Card magic number holds steady at 6.

NHOP for the division is 81.8% (9 out of 11) to win the division outright, or 72.7% (8 of 11) to end in a tie with the Phillies which could (depending on Milwaukee's final record) give the Mets the division title.

The Wild Card NHOP is rising steadily. It's now at 54.5%. (6 of 11) For the Brewers, though, it's 72.7% (8 of 11). It's that in-between value, the 7 of 11, that would lead to a one-game playoff at Shea on Monday.

While we can (and should) still hope for the Phillies to lose whenever possible, we've reached the point where a Brewers loss is more helpful to the Mets than a Phillies loss is. If I had one magic "make a team lose" card, I'd give it to the Brewers one night this week.


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="Benjamin Grimm"]While we can (and should) still hope for the Phillies to lose whenever possible, we've reached the point where a Brewers loss is more helpful to the Mets than a Phillies loss is. If I had one magic "make a team lose" card, I'd give it to the Brewers one night this week.


I guess that's true if you consider the Wild Card a success.

For me, this season would be successful with an NL East crown or the Wild Card and a first-round playoff victory.


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                  W    L    Pct3  Avg W  Avg L  Champions  Wild Card   Playoffs      1D Change 7D Change
Phillies 89 69 .532 91.6 70.4 87.42335 11.08457 98.50792 -1.11729 18.29007
Mets 87 70 .544 89.8 72.2 12.57665 59.56893 72.14558 6.81905 7.89285
Brewers 86 71 .532 88.8 73.2 .00000 29.29593 29.29593 -4.74244 -19.83427
A good day for the Mets yesterday, but it could have been a great day had the Pirates held on and defeated the Brewers. Oh well. Any day that reduces the magic number and gets the Mets closer to the end of the season is very helpful.

Yesterday's action gained the Mets 6.8 playoff points. Just over one point came from the Phillies, and 4.7 from the Brewers. The rest? It seems to have come in tiny portions from Florida, Houston, and St. Louis. The Marlins and Cards are now officially eliminated and the Astros are hanging on by a thread. The Mets magic number to eliminate them from the Wild Card is 2.

Phillies magic number over the Mets for the NL East is still 4. And it's 3 over the Brewers. Their overall playoff odds are a very healthy 98.50792%. But things can change quickly in the final few games, so you never know.

By beating the Cubs yesterday, the Mets reduce their Wild Card magic number to 5. Their NHOP to finish with a better record than the Phillies is 77.8% (7 out of 9). To tie the Phillies, which could be enough to get them a division title, it's 66.7% (6 of 9).

The NHOP for the Mets relating to the Brewers is 50% (5 out of 10 necessary happy outcomes.) The Brewers need an NHOP of 60% to force a tie and 70% to win the Wild Card outright. That 70% number makes it seem like the odds are good that the Mets will play beyond Sunday, even if it's just the one-game tie-breaker.

Let's look at that magic number of 5, with 5 games remaining for each team.

If the Mets go 3-2, the Brewers need to sweep their last five games to finish with a better record, and have to go 4-1 to force a tie. Starts by Perez, Pelfrey, and Santana give the Mets 3 games that they should have a good chance of winning. (The other two games, with starts by Pedro and TBD have somewhat gloomier prognoses.)

If the Mets go 2-3, the Brewers still need 3-2 to force a tie, and 4-1 to surpass the Mets.

Thursday, Pedro's start, is a key game. If they can find a way to win that one, if they can turn a should-lose into a win, then that will be a huge step towards the post-season.

Remaining schedule: The Mets, Phillies, and Brewers all have nothing but home games the rest of the way. The Phillies finish the schedule against bad teams, who can, as we've seen, be dangerous. They have one game against the Braves and three against the tenacious Nationals. The Mets only play good teams, the NL Central champion Cubs for two games, and the recently eliminated Marlins for three. The Brewers, unfortunately, still have two games against the last-place Pirates, but then they have to face the Cubs for three. Right now I'd say that the Brewers have a slightly softer schedule, but if the Mets can maintain (or expand) their lead over the next two days, the schedule will then swing to the Mets' favor.


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One more nutty thing: Rain forecast for Thursday, Friday and Saturday.


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