Glavine gone (most likely, he says)

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

This in SI.com

ATLANTA -- Back home in Atlanta following the New York Mets' historic collapse, Tom Glavine said Tuesday he'll "most likely" decline his $9 million player option for next season.

That could pave the way for Glavine's return to the Atlanta Braves in 2008, or facilitate his retirement from baseball after 20 seasons and 303 victories.

"I have five days at the end of our season to accept or decline [the option]," Glavine said from his Alpharetta, Ga., home. "Most likely, I'll decline it."

[metirish]

Good I suppose, will anyone including Glavine look back on his time as Met fondly?

[nymr83]

i look at his time as a Met as being pretty neutral, I'll be very happy if he doesn't return though, 41 year old pitchers who pitch to an ERA+ of 96 and command 8 figure salaries should be jettisoned.

[Guest Iubitul]

He'll go back to the Braves, miraculously get those 6 inches off the plate again, and win 18-20

[Valadius]

Of course I'll look at his time here fondly. He did pretty well for us, and I hold nothing against him.

[soupcan]

Vlad - sadly you are just too young.

[Guest Iubitul]

The thing is that he just never came and embraced NY like Pedro did. Pedro immediately became a fan favorite because of that.

Glavine will also be remembered for having his Met career begin and end the same way. I still shudder at the memory of that opening day - and I stayed until the end....

[Guest Edgy DC]

Pedro was the pitcher of the month his first four months in town.

[Guest Iubitul]

Yes, but the love affair was in full swing before that. He came here, and embraced US. Glavine never did that.

[Valadius]

Well, Pedro brings energy and excitement. Glavine's pretty mellow. I'd hesitate to compare the two, it was completely different.

[Guest Johnny Dickshot]

I understand the facetiousness above but I don't believe that Glavine will ever be as effective as he was, even with us, ever again. Guy's gonna be 42. Let some other team have him.

[nymr83]

Pedro also didn't come from a hated rival, Glavine is and will always be a brave, and thus an 'enemy', to alot of fans.

[Guest Edgy DC]

We need Glavine thread containment. I hate him just for that.

[nymr83]

you're the mod, go ahead and stick all the posts in this thread into the thread called "Tom Glavine"

[Benjamin Grimm]

Nymr83 wrote: Pedro also didn't come from a hated rival, Glavine is and will always be a brave, and thus an 'enemy', to alot of fans.

Anyone who thinks that way is being childish.

I don't care if a guy used to be a Brave, or a Phillie, or a Yankee. They don't have loyalties to teams like we do. If Chase Utley were traded to the Mets, he'd be a Met. If Derek Jeter were traded to the Mets, then he'd be a Met as well. (A goofy Met who we'd make endless fun of, but a Met nonetheless.)

[Guest Edgy DC]

Nymr83 wrote: you're the mod, go ahead and stick all the posts in this thread into the thread called "Tom Glavine"

We have no merging capacity.

[nymr83]

you can split but not merge? that sucks

[Frayed Knot]

I don't think this "news" (assuming it turns out to be accurate) is much of a surprise or based on how the season ended. Glavine made no secret from the very beginning that he was leaning towards this year being his last.

Yeah, he's not the warm and fuzzy type and between that and (unfairly) the Braves roots he was perhaps destined to never be embraced here. But I think he's unfairly being killed for not seeming upset enough after Sunday's game - even to the point where he refused to use the word 'devastated' even though he took the time to explain why.

In total, I don't regret his time he at all. He started off lousy, adjusted and got better, and was the best or 2nd best starter on the staff each year beyond that first one and wound up being extended two years beyond the initial contract. He never threatened to win the CY award but anyone who gets a 37 y/o expecting that to be the case was filled with false hope to begin with. And so even though the ending sucked just as much as the beginning did, he was also one of the few hurlers to even show up in the two Philly series (2 ER over 15 IPs) only to have the offense and pen blow those games.

[Benjamin Grimm]

And last October, when injuries caused the Mets to have young guys like Oliver Perez and John Maine in their postseason rotation, I was very glad to have an experienced guy like Glavine in there as well. He shut down the Dodgers in Game 2 and did the same to the Cardinals in Game 1.

[Guest metsguyinmichigan]

Yancy Street Gang wrote: ="Nymr83"]Pedro also didn't come from a hated rival, Glavine is and will always be a brave, and thus an 'enemy', to alot of fans. Anyone who thinks that way is being childish. I don't care if a guy used to be a Brave, or a Phillie, or a Yankee. They don't have loyalties to teams like we do. If Chase Utley were traded to the Mets, he'd be a Met. If Derek Jeter were traded to the Mets, then he'd be a Met as well. (A goofy Met who we'd make endless fun of, but a Met nonetheless.)

I'm assuming Jeter would jump off "The Bat" before he ever donned a Mets uniform.

I loved how Jackie Robinson opted to retire rather than put on the uniform of the rival Giants.

But, should Jeter ever make such a move and not splatter himself, we'd have to accept him -- after he'd been through Yankee detox, of course.

[nymr83]

]was the best or 2nd best starter on the staff each year beyond that first one

In which alternate universe was Tom Glavine better than either Maine or Perez this year? Duque's 147 innings if 3.72 are probably more valuable than Glavine's 200 of 4.45 as well.

[Guest martin]

http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/bushbeat/archive/2007/10/mets_collapse_g.php

the voice will not be sad if glavine leaves.

i wontt be either, he isnt the star he used to be. i would be happy to see pelfrey or humber in his spot in the rotation. not that i dislike glavine, he seems like an ok dude, but i think he is running on empty.

[soupcan]

I enjoyed that article martin, thanks.

[Frayed Knot]

]In which alternate universe was Tom Glavine better than either Maine or Perez this year?

Well I was thinking about the seasons leading up to this one when I wrote that ... but the alternate universe of our own PotG votes suggests he's right there in this one too.
Our rankings project will look at that whole question a bit more subjectively and I've already said it's not obvious to me who's been the best pitcher on the staff this year. If you want to argue that Glavine deserves to be down the pecking order well ... that's what it's there for.
At various times during the season all the major players seemed to take a shift both at being on top and at dragging the staff down.

[nymr83]

they might have all had bad spots, but the final numbers pretty clearly show that glavine is 3rd at best (and as i've said in past years i prefer part-time goodness to full-time below-averageness so el duque is ahead of him when i rank too)

[metsmarathon]

warp-wise 4.0, he's 5th best behind maine 5.2 , wagner 5.1, heilman 4.1, and duque 4.1, of the pitching staff, and just ahead of perez 3.9.

as far as win shares, he's tied with maine, perez, and wagner at 11, duque is at 10. but that includes hitting...

pitching-wise, he's at 10.8, while maine and perez are at 12.9 and 12.2 respectively, and wagner and duque are both at 10.6

his average game score was well behind the whole lot of them... tho that is likely submarined by lack of strikeouts than solely lack of effectiveness.

of course, glavine had 23 quality starts, to maine and duque's 17, and perez' 16. surely that must count for something, no?

[Guest Edgy DC]

The point is that arguing in his defense isn't so far fetched that you have to go to an alternate universe to fetch the argument.

[Guest Grote15]

Tommy...dont let door hit you where the good Lord split you..

[Guest Iubitul]

martin wrote: http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/bushbeat/archive/2007/10/mets_collapse_g.php the voice will not be sad if glavine leaves. i wontt be either, he isnt the star he used to be. i would be happy to see pelfrey or humber in his spot in the rotation. not that i dislike glavine, he seems like an ok dude, but i think he is running on empty.

I won't be sad to see him go, but that article was a joke.

[soupcan]

Edgy DC wrote: The point is that arguing in his defense isn't so far fetched that you have to go to an alternate universe to fetch the argument.

I'm not quite sure why you seem so willing to give Glavine a pass.

His last three starts don't bother you as much as they do a lot of us?